WEBVTT - Listener Maddy Was Almost Sold For A Camel 🐫

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<v Speaker 1>Flexen fromes I'm cater cater Flex and Froomes Big Icon

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Recorded live at Studios three oh one in Sydney. Hello, munchkins,

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<v Speaker 2>it's podcast time.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what is that lion? Has anyone noticed that?

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<v Speaker 2>Has that been there a whole time? Staring at you

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<v Speaker 2>our winners?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the scariest thing I've ever seen is the one

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<v Speaker 2>overhears all?

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, just the one. Where'd you get that from? Guys?

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<v Speaker 3>It was literally in the beautiful deck. They showed us

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<v Speaker 3>what the stage would look like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not preparing.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we are talking to our very special winner, Maddie,

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<v Speaker 2>who came to our live show recording here for Bonds

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<v Speaker 2>Powered by Bonds Big Icon Energy. She's gonna tell us

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<v Speaker 2>a story about how she was almost sold for an animal,

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<v Speaker 2>a desert based animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Desert based. It's a camel.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, did you ever do that that quiz in high school?

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<v Speaker 1>Figure out how many camels you were? No? How did they?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a I'm so confused because every time I

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<v Speaker 3>talk about my high school experience, it was like that didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Happen because you're an alien. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's this website you go on and it measures

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<v Speaker 3>just basically your attraction, but the measurement is how many

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<v Speaker 3>camels you're worth.

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<v Speaker 1>And they'll ask you a bunch of things like what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Your hair color, what's your weight, what's your height, like

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<v Speaker 3>how many people if you kissed or whatever, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be like, oh, thirty five camel.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's very competitive. That's really awful. I think it's quite flattering. Actually, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're worth.

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<v Speaker 2>One camel, Maddie, do without what you will?

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go at this rate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sure that if I ever met Mark Zuckerberg,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd be like, what is your problem? Because every week

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying something about me, and to be fair, saying

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<v Speaker 3>something about your creation, not you personally. But here's think

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<v Speaker 3>got some inside goss. And by that I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>just like saw a news article that said that Instagram's

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<v Speaker 3>going to introduce adding music to your profile, and now

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<v Speaker 3>all the things that I think are on the list

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<v Speaker 3>of importance that is so low. But this news got

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<v Speaker 3>leaked like it wasn't an official announcement. So I'm kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like, what is happening in big social that something

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<v Speaker 3>so incidental and insignificant is causing such a buzz. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, but I feel like the girlies are getting

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<v Speaker 3>off social media in t minus ten years. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>not hitting the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Real nothing is hitting the same.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also feel like this is just aging because

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<v Speaker 3>when the last time you did something for the first time,

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<v Speaker 3>adolescence and young adulthood is like always so feral because

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<v Speaker 3>everything is.

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<v Speaker 1>New, new and new and new.

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<v Speaker 3>Bibo was new, my Space was new, TikTok was new,

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<v Speaker 3>and everything just gets stale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah too quickly? Who he had MySpace? Okay, not that many?

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't well enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're twenty four, so we were too young to

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<v Speaker 2>have MySpace.

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<v Speaker 1>What would your song be? I don't see.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the other thing, because I don't know, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like feeling the pressure. I can't take the pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we need less of. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 3>social media needs less of? It's the curation. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>need more stuff to do on profiles.

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<v Speaker 1>I need more ways to snoop on strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>At one point in time, you could easily be like

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<v Speaker 3>on someone's on a stranger's Instagram, not even know how

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<v Speaker 3>you got there.

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<v Speaker 2>You to do that these days' probably been on someone's

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram here.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, you just go You're blipping around. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>follow watches the story, you go book.

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<v Speaker 3>What are they like?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? See, you can't have that anymore. I want that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be a voyeur.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to make my profile more exciting for

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<v Speaker 3>me to not know who's experiencing it. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>be in Yeah, do you know what I need? I

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<v Speaker 3>was co managing a friend's grinder. How do I explain this?

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<v Speaker 3>Like like we were sitting at the bar and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, Oh, you're on your grinder, let me see

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on, so I can, you know, ad a

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<v Speaker 3>few tips or whatever. It's the best app Ever, something

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<v Speaker 3>about location based interaction is so hot and sexy, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I can just see who's in here. That's what I

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<v Speaker 3>want social media to be. I wonder what the guy

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<v Speaker 3>at the fish and Chip shop is doing? Show me

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<v Speaker 3>his profile?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, well there's anyway. I feel like I come

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<v Speaker 2>across the random ast tiktoks and it's like as close

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm going to get to it to come across

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<v Speaker 2>the dude from the fish.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chip shop.

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<v Speaker 2>However, Flex and I've both used an app called Raya

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<v Speaker 2>Dating app.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone here on Raya or anyone heard of Raya Humble flex. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a Humble, it's a flex.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a flex anyway, this dating site, you put photos up,

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<v Speaker 2>but you also have to choose a song, so people

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<v Speaker 2>click onto your profile and it's like a carousel with music.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the closest we've got to it, and I honestly

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<v Speaker 2>think that works quite well. Incorporating audio visual elements.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not enough. It's not enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I just want to be in the void

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<v Speaker 3>like VR five D, you know, big icon energy. Now

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<v Speaker 3>we have a very special story from someone we spoke

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<v Speaker 3>to you last week. If you tuned in, you know

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<v Speaker 3>it's Maddie. She won tickets to companies and shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to Maddie. It's on us, the winners and us or not.

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<v Speaker 1>She got a competition.

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<v Speaker 2>She flew here from Melbourne, her first ever time in

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Sydney. That is a massive Have you

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<v Speaker 2>noticed it's really humid here?

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<v Speaker 1>Huh oh yeah, it is why it's because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>different to Melbourne. I'm from Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>Originally, I'll always talk about Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a bit no, no, no. The

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<v Speaker 1>first time you come to Sydney. Like what I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney is a city.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like super tropical compared to Melbourne and Hobart.

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<v Speaker 1>You said it's humid. Humid.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the humid it in the air is like completely different,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought I was in my Hong Kong or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not the weather talk anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, the voice you heard is Maddie. Everyone say hey, Maddie, Hey, nay.

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<v Speaker 1>And You've got a very interesting story.

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<v Speaker 2>So when everybody put in a little like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to come to the show, did the form fill out?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody had to share a story and I'll produce a

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<v Speaker 2>Brooks shared Maddie's story because it was the most iconic

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<v Speaker 2>cooked take it away, Maddie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'll set the scene.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the Middle East for my first ever trip overseas.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to face off or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to face everyone else?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Come up, yeah, take my seat? Really or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Or not or not?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm on a UNI trip, first time overseas, and we

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<v Speaker 4>go to Petra, which is really like this historical site.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like desert, right. The essences that I get separated

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<v Speaker 4>from everyone. I'm by myself and I'm like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>gonna sit down on this rock and hope that I

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<v Speaker 4>see someone from UNI.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, how does that happen? So sorry to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, everyone was like walking up these like you know

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<v Speaker 4>those thousand steps, like let's get to the top.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, sorry, not doing it. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>sit down. So I did that, and I thought somebody

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<v Speaker 1>will come past.

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<v Speaker 4>No, like it was it was taken at all, Like

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<v Speaker 4>nobody came past, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, this is it.

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<v Speaker 4>So then a tour guide had spotted me a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of times, like taking this tour through, and he was

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<v Speaker 4>like are you lost?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like yes, help. He was like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take you back to the start. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for me. How long had it

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<v Speaker 1>been at this point, like forty minutes?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, like I would say over an hour. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I was just sitting there like hoping for the best.

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<v Speaker 4>Any water, No, my friend had water and I likely

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<v Speaker 4>walked away, so I didn't have any water.

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<v Speaker 1>No sax. I did have sax. Yeah, Oh would you

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<v Speaker 1>have chips? Chips? Yeah, you didn't need him, because then

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<v Speaker 1>you need water, you get it. Okay, yeah, you get it.

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<v Speaker 4>So the tour guide finds me and he's like, do

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<v Speaker 4>you want to take you back to the start of

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<v Speaker 4>the whole tour and I was like, yeah, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely somebody will be there.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're walking back and as we're walking back, there's

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<v Speaker 4>like lots of camels you can ride throughout Petra like

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<v Speaker 4>you pay money, and there's a group of guys with

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<v Speaker 4>a group of camels, and one of the guys says

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<v Speaker 4>something to the tour guide in Arabic, which I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm like, please translate, and the guy says the

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<v Speaker 4>tour guy says, oh, he asks for your hand in

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<v Speaker 4>marriage in exchange for his camel, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I really think my mom needs a camel.

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<v Speaker 1>He could, but this I was like, thank you. Though

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<v Speaker 1>he took me back to the start.

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<v Speaker 4>Like more hours passed, like it would have been like

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<v Speaker 4>five o'clock by the time I saw someone, and we

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<v Speaker 4>started in the morning, so it was like it was

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<v Speaker 4>a long day. And then the tour guy asked me

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<v Speaker 4>to come back to his family home and have tea

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<v Speaker 4>with his ten brothers and sisters, and I was like, again,

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<v Speaker 4>they'll kick me out of you the hospitality.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, this is the man and he left

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<v Speaker 3>you hotspot off his friend as well, Yeah what about.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey what sorry hotspot? Yeah ah, that's a big deal

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert.

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<v Speaker 1>Life.

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<v Speaker 4>So I finally spotted someone, like a group from a

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<v Speaker 4>UNI tour.

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<v Speaker 1>We went back to the hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>I debriefed and was like what was that essentially, and

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<v Speaker 4>then my friend who had all the water came back

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<v Speaker 4>and she was like filthy on me because I walked

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<v Speaker 4>away with the food.

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<v Speaker 1>You I was.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't like, you don't even understand what's happened to

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<v Speaker 4>me today, Like I nearly got sold for a camel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good. This is cooked. Two you questions. Your

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<v Speaker 1>story didn't have any emotion in it, so I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know, like were you crying? Were sad? Were angry?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you fearful?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really process emotions like when I'm going through

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<v Speaker 4>something in the moment, So another one over here until

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day when I was like starting

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<v Speaker 4>to get an emotional like wow, this could have really

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<v Speaker 4>gone south, and I was just kind of like hanging

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<v Speaker 4>out hoping for the best. So yeah, I wasn't feeling

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<v Speaker 4>any type of way I was just sending messages when

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<v Speaker 4>I got the hot spot, being like, if I don't

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<v Speaker 4>make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ripe and your friend? Is this your friend next to

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<v Speaker 2>you that you brought what's your name?

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<v Speaker 4>Am?

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<v Speaker 1>But were you the friend in question?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah that was me and

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<v Speaker 2>I got the chips.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened with you and your friend afterwards? Was there

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<v Speaker 1>a rift?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Bad?

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<v Speaker 4>Like we did not survive that trip. I'm very unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm okay with it.

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<v Speaker 1>They do say don't travel with your friends or pick

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<v Speaker 1>a good friend to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing, I feel like, like I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>nihilist right, Like, I don't definitely don't want to go

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to anytime soon, and I really want

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<v Speaker 3>to be immortal for various reasons we won't get into now.

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<v Speaker 1>But what concerns me.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that I don't think I have a very keen

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<v Speaker 3>survival instinct, and like it's not just that I am

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<v Speaker 3>not aware of what is a dangerous situation. I just

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<v Speaker 3>feel charmed. I just feel like, oh, that wouldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Things happen to me all the time, like it's always chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>If you saw my trip to Ghana, you would know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I missed flights and then like visa issues

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<v Speaker 3>and so and so, and I'm like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like this is out of the ordinary. It doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>So my concern if I was in a situation like

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<v Speaker 3>that is I'm kind of like, oh, it'll fix itself,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not gonna me get deeper and deeper literally,

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<v Speaker 3>And I keep thinking like that could have gone so bad,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what if I always think, like whenever I'm always traveling,

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<v Speaker 3>My mom's like, you need to be aware of like

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<v Speaker 3>travel scams, Like you need to do your research. You

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<v Speaker 3>need to figure out, like what is a common travel

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<v Speaker 3>scam so you don't get sucked in because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like I went to Milan and you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>went to the famous buildings and you see the guys

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<v Speaker 3>with the bracelets. You're like, oh, you want to try

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<v Speaker 3>on this brace You're like, oh my god, cool a bracelet.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like okay, now it's gonna cost you thirty year.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, no, I don't want a bracelets, Like why

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<v Speaker 3>you're wearing it so to your breathlet? Like that happened

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<v Speaker 3>to me and I knew what was gonna happen, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, but I'm so flattered, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I was pretty you know so, But in this instance,

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<v Speaker 3>like it could have been so much more. It could

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<v Speaker 3>have been like a like a everyone trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not evenna say it, no, I am trafficking, could

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<v Speaker 3>have been trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, you need to take these things

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<v Speaker 2>seriously and listen. It doesn't just happen in overseas countries.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you so very quickly. My friend and I

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<v Speaker 2>who I went to Europe with. Side note, everyone's got

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<v Speaker 2>that friend that weird things seem to happen to you together,

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic instances, scary close calls.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're the friend, If you're the friend this one,

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<v Speaker 1>you put it all the way off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, you're the friend that brings the chaos or

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<v Speaker 2>is around the chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>Hearty behavior very well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was with my friend who is you? And who

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<v Speaker 2>is who is this gentleman?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your name? Oh? Pardon? You went nice to me.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to Frankie's in the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone he had been to Franky's, but you puddle up

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<v Speaker 2>great pizza joint. I'm pretty sure they're going to demolish

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<v Speaker 2>it for a tunnel. Not sure has that already happened? No, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>might go there late at night. And we went down.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like a secret bathing in this restaurants. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a dingy underground thing with like rock music. Anyway, there's

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<v Speaker 2>like this secret bar. Back first time I'm hearing about

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<v Speaker 2>the secret, but obviously I'm going in. I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and I sit down at the bar. A woman

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<v Speaker 2>starts speaking to us, which not at all ordinary. We

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<v Speaker 2>go out, we like love to chat to people, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh my god, You've got to come to

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<v Speaker 2>this pool party tomorrow. I'm having a pool party tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>We think, oh yeah. Then we look over and she's

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<v Speaker 2>with a man. What's it called when there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of women?

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<v Speaker 1>Am a harem? A harem?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that when there's a heap of women just generally

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<v Speaker 2>like congregating with a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially there was a situation we need everyone to have

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<v Speaker 1>a mic. Yeah, And she keeps going back and I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that about. How do you know it's a harem?

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<v Speaker 2>Because well, I'm just assuming.

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<v Speaker 3>That is my favorite erotica to read, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>Reverse Haram it's like one one girl, five guys.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not all rooting relaxed.

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<v Speaker 2>I just date, but continue we're seeing something happening where

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<v Speaker 2>they keep going over to this guy and he keeps

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<v Speaker 2>like summoning women into this room, and we realize what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>She is trying to recruit us to go to this

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<v Speaker 2>pool party. And like she was this woman who I like,

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<v Speaker 2>blink twice if you need help, Like it was na

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<v Speaker 2>it was full lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, it's in.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultramo tomorrow, Like you've got to come.

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<v Speaker 1>It got so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Now my memory is very hazy. I wasn't even gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have like memory loss. It got so scary

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<v Speaker 2>that I went up to the staff at Frankie's and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you need to call the police.

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<v Speaker 3>See the way you're telling the story, though it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like super fun, you're like, oh, they just think I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty We're gonna go to a poor party tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what about? It was so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the way that she was describing it, in

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I think she was trying to call

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<v Speaker 2>for help but didn't know how. Yeah, it was bad,

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<v Speaker 2>Like for me to go to a venue and say

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<v Speaker 2>very seriously got to the point where we just had

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<v Speaker 2>to stay with her and be like, help, help, I

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<v Speaker 2>think something is happening. Of course everyone's like chillin' y scary,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It must happen. Yeah, it must happen under our hoses.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sure. I have no idea you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that? We'll call We'll call my friend up

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<v Speaker 1>next week and I'll get her side of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Please someone else you can give us memory now, fixie.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a b real stand Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When b Reeal came out, I reckon it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you adopt, but I think it came out a

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<v Speaker 2>year or so ago, or maybe two years ago, So

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like the thirteen year olds off

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<v Speaker 2>on the early adopters, and then the rest of us

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<v Speaker 2>band she's jumped on the bandwagon. So I probably started

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<v Speaker 2>using it, you know, oh maybe March this year. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>use it for a week, went off because obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any friends on it, and now plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>people are back on it. Anybody here used be real?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon that's fifty Do you reckon that? That was

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<v Speaker 1>Chloe percent.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe about yeah, bigger fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like nobody wants to pick aside these days?

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<v Speaker 2>Who here likes it? Because I believe you can use

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<v Speaker 2>something and not like it. So for example, yeah, Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>love hate relationship, TikTok love hate relationship, LinkedIn love relationship, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter hate relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh but I'm still.

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<v Speaker 2>Going through looking if there's men cheese, there isn't features

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<v Speaker 2>not in that intellectual circle Twitter, I know you have

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<v Speaker 2>beef with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think any anything could change that?

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<v Speaker 3>Could anything change the personal beeB have with be real?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not, only because I think that there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 3>with the actual format or the function. But the app

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<v Speaker 3>is trying to present itself as the antidote to everything

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<v Speaker 3>you hate about social media, so you're not meant to

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<v Speaker 3>spend too much time on it. It's, you know, not hypercure.

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<v Speaker 3>It's capturing the moment for what the moment is. You're

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<v Speaker 3>connecting with your real personal friends in your circle. Laddi

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<v Speaker 3>dadi da, I get it. But then in practice it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a gamified at just like.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of them.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that you have to publish on the app

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<v Speaker 3>to see any of your friend's content is an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that in order to access any of your analytics. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, if you take a screenshot of my be real,

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<v Speaker 3>I get a notification that says, oh, someone's taking a screenshot.

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<v Speaker 1>If I want to find out who it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is, I need to share this on my other social

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<v Speaker 3>media profiles.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let me see the stuff. Can you see it?

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<v Speaker 1>If you share it else?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then I'll be like, Okay, it's rooms a screenshot.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see what I'm saying? This is way more

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<v Speaker 3>insidious than any of the other platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're selling my data. Do you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So these people have come through, they're kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>no where the good guys right, Like it's this.

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<v Speaker 3>Free platform connect with your friends, like be honest and candid,

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<v Speaker 3>only for them to essentially create an experience that is

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<v Speaker 3>hyper exclusive, heaps curated because people like I'm waiting for

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<v Speaker 3>my burial to go off. Hopefully it goes off right

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<v Speaker 3>now so I can capture this really rare moment right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when people think about like social media is

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<v Speaker 3>bad for you, we need to use less of it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we just need to use it better. And

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<v Speaker 3>we can't use it better until we stop being in

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<v Speaker 3>denial about how much we actually enjoy it, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So something like be Real. They're like, no, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just a practical way to use social media. Now it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's as like superficial as the rest of it. Just

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<v Speaker 3>be honest, be real. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>I can fight about it all day. I won't. But

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<v Speaker 1>why do you like it so much?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the thing about th me when it came out,

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<v Speaker 3>she was like, no, this is the best, it's amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's honest, it's like how people should be using

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<v Speaker 3>the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're flip flopping with our show.

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<v Speaker 2>We both have to come to the table every week

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<v Speaker 2>with a list of ideas, and look, sometimes a few

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<v Speaker 2>ideas don't hit.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't relate.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet I've put my idea down and look, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to roll with it. So do I have anything

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<v Speaker 2>else to really say about be Real? No, But here's

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<v Speaker 2>a lesson in how to fly for an on the

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<v Speaker 2>air segment. Okay, I'm gonna refute a few things that

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<v Speaker 2>you just said.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't refute your points because you are the one

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<v Speaker 3>who said, like this is this is the best thing

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<v Speaker 3>about social media. And granted I hold on, I'm paraphrasing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm paraphrasing you've granted. I feel like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how you feel about something until you've use

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<v Speaker 3>it for a little bit. But for me, the red

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<v Speaker 3>flags are from day dot. Like as soon as I

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<v Speaker 3>use the app, I was like, you don't see what

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing to us.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see what they're doing to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the thing about figuring out that Instagram is insidious, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it crept up on us. We were like, oh, but

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<v Speaker 3>we're enjoying this, right, Like I publish my stuff and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe it's a little bit insane to drive

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<v Speaker 3>two hours to go to.

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<v Speaker 1>A pink wall to take a photo, but like we're

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<v Speaker 1>all doing it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is community, and like maybe it's a bit weird

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<v Speaker 3>that I am, like, you know, getting neurotic about like

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<v Speaker 3>how to present myself, but like we're all neurotic, right right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like and then after five, six, seven years, we develop

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<v Speaker 3>a communal awareness about how it's cooked, and then we

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<v Speaker 3>decide for ourselves. I'm going to you know, reconcile that

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<v Speaker 3>incompatible truth and still use it comfortably, or I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to log off.

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<v Speaker 1>Be real, it's fresh, it's new.

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<v Speaker 3>We're taking everything we know about social media everything we

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<v Speaker 3>know about, you know, presenting ourselves digitally and disregarding it

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<v Speaker 3>for this new platform, like we don't know what they're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do to us. And like the Internet said,

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<v Speaker 3>if the product is free, you are the product. Be

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<v Speaker 3>real is like, how do you have a team of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty and you don't monetize?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have a tame with twenty people? Huge to

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<v Speaker 2>see you do any research? Always okay for me and you? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is also where it differs. Did I ever say

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's replacing anything on the Internet. No, But

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<v Speaker 2>just me saying I like something puts me into the

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<v Speaker 2>category of people that say this is a new Internet,

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<v Speaker 2>this is new social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think be real is actually social media. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you chat times we all saw that headline. Did

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<v Speaker 1>they do it?

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<v Speaker 3>The other times is like, don't look at be real

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<v Speaker 3>like social media. Look at it like a word or

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<v Speaker 3>it's a daily habit. Even worse, well, did you know I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have a subscription to the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 1>Cat me listen to this. I've gone through trauma with

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>I was subscribed to them, thinking I'm doing my bit

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<v Speaker 2>for journalism. Tried to cancel had to call them up

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<v Speaker 2>in America obviously couldn't do that. Somehow I found a

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<v Speaker 2>way to cancel it, but they're still billying me. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is just Snapchat, but for old people. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think young people are actually using be real snapchats

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<v Speaker 2>stay young people like people.

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<v Speaker 1>On twenty two. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the amount of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>still using apps, it goes like Facebook, Instagram, this this

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<v Speaker 2>is old. Yeah, no, no, but this is every single

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<v Speaker 2>everyone everyone. Just listenkay, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok creeping up real fast,

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<v Speaker 2>then something else and then Snapchat, like Snapchat still has

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty percent of the world uses Snapchat still.

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I try to fact check, it's always wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think it's basically like just like Snapchat,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little bit more like sophisticated and new and

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<v Speaker 2>using the two camera thing is something that we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have done in the past. But I'm sick of it also,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm over be real, What are you sick of it? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Europe and I just stopped using it

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<v Speaker 2>while I was over there, and now I just I've

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<v Speaker 2>lost the touch.

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<v Speaker 3>You see, like unpack that thought you went to Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>and you stopped using b Real.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped using social media point blank.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a lie because we saw free with Hero Trip,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't we did?

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<v Speaker 1>We not see that?

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<v Speaker 2>How do we see that? I stopped scrolling? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big fat scroller these days. In our conclusion, can

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<v Speaker 2>I just ask a really quick question. Put your hand

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<v Speaker 2>up if you think you're going to be using be

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<v Speaker 2>real next year anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>One person? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know what is the most iconic advice

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<v Speaker 3>you've ever received.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a new piece of advice that my grandma

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<v Speaker 2>used to tell me. That's frog on the top hat.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad's mum, very wise woman. She would say, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're it's like you're reading from up there, she's in

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<v Speaker 2>heaven or she's up somewhere. I mentioned rap irp olive.

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<v Speaker 2>To not know what to do, it is to know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do. So if you're not sure about something

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're trying to make your mind up. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you want to buy a top but you're not sure,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>M that's actually like no answer is an answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll text ad for later in the show to ask

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<v Speaker 2>him to completely repeat the exact words.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then, what would you say is the most

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<v Speaker 3>iconic advice you've ever given?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I was probably nineteen, I like, did this article.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what it was for, maybe UNI or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said my best piece of advice was if

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<v Speaker 2>it feels good, do it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like when I used to say, if someone tells

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<v Speaker 3>you know you're talking to the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very amazing in early twenties. It definitely is.

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<v Speaker 3>Best piece of advice I've been given recently is from

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<v Speaker 3>my friend who plagiarized the TikTok in order to give

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<v Speaker 3>it to me, But I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, I was mulling over a thought, a decision.

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<v Speaker 3>That i'd made that I felt like I didn't make

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<v Speaker 3>it well, like I just kind of impulsively did it

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<v Speaker 3>like I do most things, but this one was like

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<v Speaker 3>grating at me. I didn't tell her the specifics of

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<v Speaker 3>it because, like, you know, not necessary. But she was

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<v Speaker 3>just like, oh, if it's about obligation, just think would

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<v Speaker 3>you rather live with the guilt or the resentment? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like huh, and she was like, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>help you clarify because I don't have the situation. But

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<v Speaker 3>then I felt I thought about it, and I was like, oh, okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the guilt of the situation is me feeling like I

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<v Speaker 3>made a decision, I made a promise, I made a

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<v Speaker 3>commitment that wasn't well thought out, so I didn't think

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<v Speaker 3>of myself or the other person, and I feel obligated

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<v Speaker 3>to do it, and the guilt of saying no is

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<v Speaker 3>like hurting me and it's going to hurt them, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But then I'm kind of like, EO, that feels bad.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I'm kind of like, oh, what feels worse

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<v Speaker 3>is like resenting the situation, because now I'm resenting myself,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm resenting them, I'm resenting the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It all feels terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like, I'd much rather live with the

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<v Speaker 3>guilt and going back on my word than the resentment

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<v Speaker 3>of knowing that I had the agency to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I decided not to because there's something about it,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think that there are a lot of situations

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<v Speaker 3>where we don't have any agency or so it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like like some things you just can't pull out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Life is not that simple, but other times it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like an egotistical thing or a narcissistic thing where

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh my god, where is me?

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<v Speaker 1>Where was me? Where was me? I'm so stressed that it's.

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<v Speaker 3>So hard because I think that there is a power

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<v Speaker 3>in simplifying stuff, not simplifying the way everybody sees it,

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<v Speaker 3>but simplifying your attachment to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So sometimes just deciding to be like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I cooked it?

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Like I know, I said I can, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I wouldn't. I know, I said I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to. I like, I'm not going to. And then no,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that I've disappointed someone, I can live with that,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that I've disappointed myself. It's gotta be with me

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<v Speaker 3>for ages, Like I'd rather like myself above all, or

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<v Speaker 3>at least trust myself for myself, then for the benefit

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<v Speaker 3>of someone who's gonna forget I exist in like T

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<v Speaker 3>minus five years.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, sick right, And what's the best advice you've given?

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<v Speaker 1>When you know better, you do better.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you don't know, find the information and it

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<v Speaker 3>goes with everything you know, Like I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>I should approach that situation, then like what information do

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<v Speaker 3>you have? Go seek that out? You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if what I did was right? What is going

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<v Speaker 3>to help you figure that out? Go find that first

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<v Speaker 3>and then circle back. Something so simple about like choosing

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<v Speaker 3>to give yourself permission to be the decision maker and

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<v Speaker 3>choosing to, like, you know, write your own narrative with

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<v Speaker 3>conviction as opposed to just being like I'm an MPC

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<v Speaker 3>and things happened to me, And what's NPC a non

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<v Speaker 3>playable character?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? Bab's get on the PS.

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<v Speaker 2>Five, I can't do the IPS two and then I

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<v Speaker 2>check it.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're playing a game and there are like people

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<v Speaker 3>in the background that like you can you can see,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can't really interact with.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, don't be that person for your own life.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't just look at your life like a voyeur and

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<v Speaker 3>wait for things to kind of just happen and then

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<v Speaker 3>resent that fact. Choose something even if you're choosing wrong. Cool, Next,

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<v Speaker 3>a minute. Flex there's violence, you know what. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>trying out some new things. But yeah, anyway, do you

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<v Speaker 3>know what's so crazy? What now that I feel things

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<v Speaker 3>like a sensitive being, I'm like, oh yeah, I cannot

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<v Speaker 3>hold this.

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<v Speaker 1>For all of you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry, Like we've all got to suffer. I

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<v Speaker 3>was suffering alone. Now we can suffer together.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, what do you think? May you sensitive? Can't

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<v Speaker 1>get into it? Okay, we'll do that next week on

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<v Speaker 1>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Your favorite professional opinion have is a back again live

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<v Speaker 3>show recording.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how it is.

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<v Speaker 2>When we first started the show, we'd say it's your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite duo having.

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<v Speaker 1>Been on the airwaves for airwaves for one week? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I stand with some humble pie. Anybody been seeing all

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<v Speaker 1>of these information breaches? Put your hand up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Who who's a bit scared? Who's alert but not alarmed?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a nice phrase, nice one, nice one.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's overwhelmingly nos.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if we had to put on a scale, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what is privacy?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say who cares? But if it's

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<v Speaker 1>if it's you've been breach, you've been breached.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess we've been giving up our privacy on

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<v Speaker 2>something like Facebook. We've been essentially doing like a mass

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<v Speaker 2>survey for the first time in human history, putting out

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<v Speaker 2>your birthday, putting out what you're thinking today, just forget

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<v Speaker 2>about as friends exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Censuses.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but that's a bit more like when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a census, you're like you have you can't give

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<v Speaker 2>away like trivial information that paints more of a holistic

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<v Speaker 2>picture of your personality.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've had the optus breach. We've had. The most

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<v Speaker 1>recent one is the Medicare breach.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone's gotten into the system in Medicare, they've got

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<v Speaker 2>our medical records. This is the one that made me

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<v Speaker 2>think it's over fam What was I saying medibank?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh was it? It wasn't Madycare, It was Medibank. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. So it's purely just people with medibank loser.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, what are some other health health funds? Booper

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<v Speaker 2>booper is HCF one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, were we got tramped?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Well it got me thinking what breach.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you be most concerned about?

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<v Speaker 2>Would it be your health information, your wealth information, your

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<v Speaker 2>I messages, your Facebook messages, what's the most you're scared about?

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<v Speaker 1>Or your Google history? I don't know if I'm scared

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<v Speaker 1>about any of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't feel like in twenty twenty two, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been way more mindful of privacy or the illusion of privacy,

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<v Speaker 3>just because I kind of lived my life in a

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<v Speaker 3>very invincible way. Like I got a password manager this year,

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<v Speaker 3>big time for me, because I was like, who cares?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what can you find? But not just that, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, what's the worst that could happened? But also

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<v Speaker 3>like me as an individual, me worrying about what institutions

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<v Speaker 3>should be taken care of is not saving me or

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<v Speaker 3>helping me. I guess I would be kind of concerned

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<v Speaker 3>if my bank was like, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Details I'm missing, I don't know where we put them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be concerned about that. But then it is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Every platform, brand, client, institution has had, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>breach of some capacity, just not as big as this.

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<v Speaker 3>So like you know, you've got a little notifications on the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of your chrome, like your past has been compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the skip.

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<v Speaker 2>Next breaches must happen in the government and stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we just don't know about. Yeah, Australia's privacy law is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Is anyone here a lawyer none at all. You're a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know much about Australian privacy policy?

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<v Speaker 1>Nah?

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of different types of law, isn't there. Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Well I would be most scared about my Facebook messages.

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<v Speaker 2>They're telling about Facebook messages that make me extra feral,

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<v Speaker 2>I think because like with I message, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like you have a thought and you send it out

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not like instant messager, whereas Facebook it's like

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<v Speaker 2>two instant that you get rabbied.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, we've been using it for ten years and you

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<v Speaker 1>can search it. You can see every single thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you've sent.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the indexing of the Facebook messager is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>most brutal.

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny because when you said to me that one

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<v Speaker 3>time that you're scared you're gonna get canceled, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>what for?

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<v Speaker 1>But then you being said of your Facebook messenger, what

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<v Speaker 1>is in there? Yeah? You don't want to know. See.

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<v Speaker 3>My thing is like I've really reconciled this idea that

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<v Speaker 3>privacy as we know it is a myth, because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not sure that people are aware the extent that they're surveilled.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think people think they live quite like isolated lifestyles.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody sees me if I'm not publishing, or nobody sees

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<v Speaker 3>me if I'm not making myself known. I was scrolling

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<v Speaker 3>on TikTok the other day and there's this girl who

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<v Speaker 3>has a series called Consensual Doxing, and it's all these

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<v Speaker 3>people who are like, oh, you know, I don't post

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<v Speaker 3>any of my information out there.

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<v Speaker 1>You could never find me. And she's like, oh, very easily.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't post on on TikTok, but you know you always

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<v Speaker 3>comment on your husband's TikTok with heart. So I go

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<v Speaker 3>into your page and see that you've got your school

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<v Speaker 3>that you went to, and then I see it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just and she finds their house. Yeah you've seen this.

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<v Speaker 1>She publishes it to show them how simple it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you might want to do, and I did

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<v Speaker 1>this last night.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a website called porn like I've been pawned or

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<v Speaker 2>You've been porn honed, poned p w ND basically type

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<v Speaker 2>in information breach pawned website, check what's that ponn like

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<v Speaker 2>owns pwned?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you? How else do you say it? Poned? Poned?

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<v Speaker 1>So what you say it?

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<v Speaker 2>One more time pawned like a prawn. Anyway, you can

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<v Speaker 2>go check it out. I looked at mine the other day.

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