Speaker 1: Flexen fromes I'm cater cater Flex and Froomes Big Icon
Speaker 1: Energy Podcast.
Speaker 2: Recorded live at Studios three oh one in Sydney. Hello, munchkins,
Speaker 2: it's podcast time.
Speaker 1: We are here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what is that lion? Has anyone noticed that?
Speaker 2: Has that been there a whole time? Staring at you
Speaker 2: our winners?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: That's the scariest thing I've ever seen is the one
Speaker 2: overhears all?
Speaker 1: Nah, just the one. Where'd you get that from? Guys?
Speaker 3: It was literally in the beautiful deck. They showed us
Speaker 3: what the stage would look like.
Speaker 1: I'm not preparing.
Speaker 2: Today we are talking to our very special winner, Maddie,
Speaker 2: who came to our live show recording here for Bonds
Speaker 2: Powered by Bonds Big Icon Energy. She's gonna tell us
Speaker 2: a story about how she was almost sold for an animal,
Speaker 2: a desert based animal.
Speaker 1: Desert based. It's a camel.
Speaker 3: Hey, did you ever do that that quiz in high school?
Speaker 1: Figure out how many camels you were? No? How did they?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: It's like a I'm so confused because every time I
Speaker 3: talk about my high school experience, it was like that didn't.
Speaker 1: Happen because you're an alien. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's this website you go on and it measures
Speaker 3: just basically your attraction, but the measurement is how many
Speaker 3: camels you're worth.
Speaker 1: And they'll ask you a bunch of things like what's.
Speaker 3: Your hair color, what's your weight, what's your height, like
Speaker 3: how many people if you kissed or whatever, and then
Speaker 3: I'll be like, oh, thirty five camel.
Speaker 1: Who's very competitive. That's really awful. I think it's quite flattering. Actually, well,
Speaker 1: you're worth.
Speaker 2: One camel, Maddie, do without what you will?
Speaker 1: Here we go at this rate.
Speaker 3: I'm so sure that if I ever met Mark Zuckerberg,
Speaker 3: you'd be like, what is your problem? Because every week
Speaker 3: you're saying something about me, and to be fair, saying
Speaker 3: something about your creation, not you personally. But here's think
Speaker 3: got some inside goss. And by that I mean I
Speaker 3: just like saw a news article that said that Instagram's
Speaker 3: going to introduce adding music to your profile, and now
Speaker 3: all the things that I think are on the list
Speaker 3: of importance that is so low. But this news got
Speaker 3: leaked like it wasn't an official announcement. So I'm kind
Speaker 3: of like, what is happening in big social that something
Speaker 3: so incidental and insignificant is causing such a buzz. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I feel like the girlies are getting
Speaker 3: off social media in t minus ten years. It's just
Speaker 3: not hitting the same.
Speaker 1: Real nothing is hitting the same.
Speaker 3: But I also feel like this is just aging because
Speaker 3: when the last time you did something for the first time,
Speaker 3: adolescence and young adulthood is like always so feral because
Speaker 3: everything is.
Speaker 1: New, new and new and new.
Speaker 3: Bibo was new, my Space was new, TikTok was new,
Speaker 3: and everything just gets stale.
Speaker 2: Yeah too quickly? Who he had MySpace? Okay, not that many?
Speaker 1: That doesn't well enough.
Speaker 2: Well, we're twenty four, so we were too young to
Speaker 2: have MySpace.
Speaker 1: What would your song be? I don't see.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing, because I don't know, and I
Speaker 3: don't like feeling the pressure. I can't take the pressure.
Speaker 3: That's what we need less of. Do you know what
Speaker 3: social media needs less of? It's the curation. We don't
Speaker 3: need more stuff to do on profiles.
Speaker 1: I need more ways to snoop on strangers.
Speaker 3: At one point in time, you could easily be like
Speaker 3: on someone's on a stranger's Instagram, not even know how
Speaker 3: you got there.
Speaker 2: You to do that these days' probably been on someone's
Speaker 2: Instagram here.
Speaker 1: To be honest, you just go You're blipping around. Someone
Speaker 1: follow watches the story, you go book.
Speaker 3: What are they like?
Speaker 1: Yeah? See, you can't have that anymore. I want that.
Speaker 1: I want to be a voyeur.
Speaker 3: I don't want to make my profile more exciting for
Speaker 3: me to not know who's experiencing it. I want to
Speaker 3: be in Yeah, do you know what I need? I
Speaker 3: was co managing a friend's grinder. How do I explain this?
Speaker 3: Like like we were sitting at the bar and I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, you're on your grinder, let me see
Speaker 3: what's going on, so I can, you know, ad a
Speaker 3: few tips or whatever. It's the best app Ever, something
Speaker 3: about location based interaction is so hot and sexy, Like
Speaker 3: I can just see who's in here. That's what I
Speaker 3: want social media to be. I wonder what the guy
Speaker 3: at the fish and Chip shop is doing? Show me
Speaker 3: his profile?
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, well there's anyway. I feel like I come
Speaker 2: across the random ast tiktoks and it's like as close
Speaker 2: as I'm going to get to it to come across
Speaker 2: the dude from the fish.
Speaker 1: And Chip shop.
Speaker 2: However, Flex and I've both used an app called Raya
Speaker 2: Dating app.
Speaker 1: Anyone here on Raya or anyone heard of Raya Humble flex. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not a Humble, it's a flex.
Speaker 2: It's a flex anyway, this dating site, you put photos up,
Speaker 2: but you also have to choose a song, so people
Speaker 2: click onto your profile and it's like a carousel with music.
Speaker 2: That's the closest we've got to it, and I honestly
Speaker 2: think that works quite well. Incorporating audio visual elements.
Speaker 1: It's not enough. It's not enough.
Speaker 3: I think I just want to be in the void
Speaker 3: like VR five D, you know, big icon energy. Now
Speaker 3: we have a very special story from someone we spoke
Speaker 3: to you last week. If you tuned in, you know
Speaker 3: it's Maddie. She won tickets to companies and shout out
Speaker 3: to Maddie. It's on us, the winners and us or not.
Speaker 1: She got a competition.
Speaker 2: She flew here from Melbourne, her first ever time in
Speaker 2: the city of Sydney. That is a massive Have you
Speaker 2: noticed it's really humid here?
Speaker 1: Huh oh yeah, it is why it's because it's so
Speaker 1: different to Melbourne. I'm from Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Originally, I'll always talk about Melbourne.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a bit no, no, no. The
Speaker 1: first time you come to Sydney. Like what I thought.
Speaker 1: Sydney is a city.
Speaker 2: It's like super tropical compared to Melbourne and Hobart.
Speaker 1: You said it's humid. Humid.
Speaker 2: Oh the humid it in the air is like completely different,
Speaker 2: particularly at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I was in my Hong Kong or something.
Speaker 1: I'm not the weather talk anyway.
Speaker 3: Anyway, the voice you heard is Maddie. Everyone say hey, Maddie, Hey, nay.
Speaker 1: And You've got a very interesting story.
Speaker 2: So when everybody put in a little like I want
Speaker 2: to come to the show, did the form fill out?
Speaker 2: Everybody had to share a story and I'll produce a
Speaker 2: Brooks shared Maddie's story because it was the most iconic
Speaker 2: cooked take it away, Maddie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll set the scene.
Speaker 4: I'm in the Middle East for my first ever trip overseas.
Speaker 1: Do you want to face off or do you want
Speaker 1: to face everyone else?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Come up, yeah, take my seat? Really or not?
Speaker 2: Or not or not?
Speaker 1: So I'm in the Middle East.
Speaker 4: I'm on a UNI trip, first time overseas, and we
Speaker 4: go to Petra, which is really like this historical site.
Speaker 4: It's like desert, right. The essences that I get separated
Speaker 4: from everyone. I'm by myself and I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna sit down on this rock and hope that I
Speaker 4: see someone from UNI.
Speaker 1: Wait, how does that happen? So sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 4: Oh, everyone was like walking up these like you know
Speaker 4: those thousand steps, like let's get to the top.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, sorry, not doing it. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: sit down. So I did that, and I thought somebody
Speaker 1: will come past.
Speaker 4: No, like it was it was taken at all, Like
Speaker 4: nobody came past, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, this is it.
Speaker 4: So then a tour guide had spotted me a couple
Speaker 4: of times, like taking this tour through, and he was
Speaker 4: like are you lost?
Speaker 1: And I was like yes, help. He was like, I'll
Speaker 1: take you back to the start. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for me. How long had it
Speaker 1: been at this point, like forty minutes?
Speaker 4: Oh no, like I would say over an hour. Like
Speaker 4: I was just sitting there like hoping for the best.
Speaker 4: Any water, No, my friend had water and I likely
Speaker 4: walked away, so I didn't have any water.
Speaker 1: No sax. I did have sax. Yeah, Oh would you
Speaker 1: have chips? Chips? Yeah, you didn't need him, because then
Speaker 1: you need water, you get it. Okay, yeah, you get it.
Speaker 4: So the tour guide finds me and he's like, do
Speaker 4: you want to take you back to the start of
Speaker 4: the whole tour and I was like, yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Surely somebody will be there.
Speaker 4: So we're walking back and as we're walking back, there's
Speaker 4: like lots of camels you can ride throughout Petra like
Speaker 4: you pay money, and there's a group of guys with
Speaker 4: a group of camels, and one of the guys says
Speaker 4: something to the tour guide in Arabic, which I don't understand,
Speaker 4: so I'm like, please translate, and the guy says the
Speaker 4: tour guy says, oh, he asks for your hand in
Speaker 4: marriage in exchange for his camel, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I really think my mom needs a camel.
Speaker 1: He could, but this I was like, thank you. Though
Speaker 1: he took me back to the start.
Speaker 4: Like more hours passed, like it would have been like
Speaker 4: five o'clock by the time I saw someone, and we
Speaker 4: started in the morning, so it was like it was
Speaker 4: a long day. And then the tour guy asked me
Speaker 4: to come back to his family home and have tea
Speaker 4: with his ten brothers and sisters, and I was like, again,
Speaker 4: they'll kick me out of you the hospitality.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, this is the man and he left
Speaker 3: you hotspot off his friend as well, Yeah what about.
Speaker 2: Hey what sorry hotspot? Yeah ah, that's a big deal
Speaker 2: in the desert.
Speaker 1: Life.
Speaker 4: So I finally spotted someone, like a group from a
Speaker 4: UNI tour.
Speaker 1: We went back to the hotel.
Speaker 4: I debriefed and was like what was that essentially, and
Speaker 4: then my friend who had all the water came back
Speaker 4: and she was like filthy on me because I walked
Speaker 4: away with the food.
Speaker 1: You I was.
Speaker 4: They don't like, you don't even understand what's happened to
Speaker 4: me today, Like I nearly got sold for a camel.
Speaker 1: It's not good. This is cooked. Two you questions. Your
Speaker 1: story didn't have any emotion in it, so I want
Speaker 1: to know, like were you crying? Were sad? Were angry?
Speaker 1: Were you fearful?
Speaker 4: I don't really process emotions like when I'm going through
Speaker 4: something in the moment, So another one over here until
Speaker 4: the end of the day when I was like starting
Speaker 4: to get an emotional like wow, this could have really
Speaker 4: gone south, and I was just kind of like hanging
Speaker 4: out hoping for the best. So yeah, I wasn't feeling
Speaker 4: any type of way I was just sending messages when
Speaker 4: I got the hot spot, being like, if I don't
Speaker 4: make it.
Speaker 2: Ripe and your friend? Is this your friend next to
Speaker 2: you that you brought what's your name?
Speaker 4: Am?
Speaker 1: But were you the friend in question?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah that was me and
Speaker 2: I got the chips.
Speaker 1: What happened with you and your friend afterwards? Was there
Speaker 1: a rift?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bad?
Speaker 4: Like we did not survive that trip. I'm very unfortunately,
Speaker 4: and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1: They do say don't travel with your friends or pick
Speaker 1: a good friend to do it.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, I feel like, like I'm not a
Speaker 3: nihilist right, Like, I don't definitely don't want to go
Speaker 3: I don't want to anytime soon, and I really want
Speaker 3: to be immortal for various reasons we won't get into now.
Speaker 1: But what concerns me.
Speaker 3: Is that I don't think I have a very keen
Speaker 3: survival instinct, and like it's not just that I am
Speaker 3: not aware of what is a dangerous situation. I just
Speaker 3: feel charmed. I just feel like, oh, that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 3: Things happen to me all the time, like it's always chaos.
Speaker 3: If you saw my trip to Ghana, you would know.
Speaker 3: It's like I missed flights and then like visa issues
Speaker 3: and so and so, and I'm like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like this is out of the ordinary. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: So my concern if I was in a situation like
Speaker 3: that is I'm kind of like, oh, it'll fix itself,
Speaker 3: but it's not gonna me get deeper and deeper literally,
Speaker 3: And I keep thinking like that could have gone so bad,
Speaker 3: Like what if I always think, like whenever I'm always traveling,
Speaker 3: My mom's like, you need to be aware of like
Speaker 3: travel scams, Like you need to do your research. You
Speaker 3: need to figure out, like what is a common travel
Speaker 3: scam so you don't get sucked in because you know,
Speaker 3: like I went to Milan and you know, you know,
Speaker 3: went to the famous buildings and you see the guys
Speaker 3: with the bracelets. You're like, oh, you want to try
Speaker 3: on this brace You're like, oh my god, cool a bracelet.
Speaker 3: And it's like okay, now it's gonna cost you thirty year.
Speaker 3: You're like, no, I don't want a bracelets, Like why
Speaker 3: you're wearing it so to your breathlet? Like that happened
Speaker 3: to me and I knew what was gonna happen, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, but I'm so flattered, he said,
Speaker 3: I was pretty you know so, But in this instance,
Speaker 3: like it could have been so much more. It could
Speaker 3: have been like a like a everyone trying to you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not evenna say it, no, I am trafficking, could
Speaker 3: have been trafficking.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you need to take these things
Speaker 2: seriously and listen. It doesn't just happen in overseas countries.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you so very quickly. My friend and I
Speaker 2: who I went to Europe with. Side note, everyone's got
Speaker 2: that friend that weird things seem to happen to you together,
Speaker 2: traumatic instances, scary close calls.
Speaker 1: If you're the friend, If you're the friend this one,
Speaker 1: you put it all the way off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you're the friend that brings the chaos or
Speaker 2: is around the chaos.
Speaker 3: Hearty behavior very well.
Speaker 2: I was with my friend who is you? And who
Speaker 2: is who is this gentleman?
Speaker 1: What's your name? Oh? Pardon? You went nice to me.
Speaker 1: We went to Frankie's in the city.
Speaker 2: Anyone he had been to Franky's, but you puddle up
Speaker 2: great pizza joint. I'm pretty sure they're going to demolish
Speaker 2: it for a tunnel. Not sure has that already happened? No, okay,
Speaker 2: might go there late at night. And we went down.
Speaker 2: There's like a secret bathing in this restaurants. It's like
Speaker 2: a dingy underground thing with like rock music. Anyway, there's
Speaker 2: like this secret bar. Back first time I'm hearing about
Speaker 2: the secret, but obviously I'm going in. I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: Her and I sit down at the bar. A woman
Speaker 2: starts speaking to us, which not at all ordinary. We
Speaker 2: go out, we like love to chat to people, and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh my god, You've got to come to
Speaker 2: this pool party tomorrow. I'm having a pool party tomorrow.
Speaker 2: We think, oh yeah. Then we look over and she's
Speaker 2: with a man. What's it called when there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of women?
Speaker 1: Am a harem? A harem?
Speaker 2: Is that when there's a heap of women just generally
Speaker 2: like congregating with a man.
Speaker 1: Potentially there was a situation we need everyone to have
Speaker 1: a mic. Yeah, And she keeps going back and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what's that about. How do you know it's a harem?
Speaker 2: Because well, I'm just assuming.
Speaker 3: That is my favorite erotica to read, by the way,
Speaker 3: Reverse Haram it's like one one girl, five guys.
Speaker 1: They're not all rooting relaxed.
Speaker 2: I just date, but continue we're seeing something happening where
Speaker 2: they keep going over to this guy and he keeps
Speaker 2: like summoning women into this room, and we realize what's happening.
Speaker 2: She is trying to recruit us to go to this
Speaker 2: pool party. And like she was this woman who I like,
Speaker 2: blink twice if you need help, Like it was na
Speaker 2: it was full lunch.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's in.
Speaker 2: Ultramo tomorrow, Like you've got to come.
Speaker 1: It got so bad.
Speaker 2: Now my memory is very hazy. I wasn't even gone.
Speaker 2: I just have like memory loss. It got so scary
Speaker 2: that I went up to the staff at Frankie's and
Speaker 2: I said, you need to call the police.
Speaker 3: See the way you're telling the story, though it sounds
Speaker 3: like super fun, you're like, oh, they just think I'm
Speaker 3: pretty We're gonna go to a poor party tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Like what about? It was so scary.
Speaker 2: It was the way that she was describing it, in
Speaker 2: the way that I think she was trying to call
Speaker 2: for help but didn't know how. Yeah, it was bad,
Speaker 2: Like for me to go to a venue and say
Speaker 2: very seriously got to the point where we just had
Speaker 2: to stay with her and be like, help, help, I
Speaker 2: think something is happening. Of course everyone's like chillin' y scary,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1: It must happen. Yeah, it must happen under our hoses.
Speaker 1: I'm so sure. I have no idea you're talking about.
Speaker 1: What is that? We'll call We'll call my friend up
Speaker 1: next week and I'll get her side of the story.
Speaker 1: Please someone else you can give us memory now, fixie.
Speaker 2: I am a b real stand Yeah.
Speaker 1: When b Reeal came out, I reckon it.
Speaker 2: Maybe you adopt, but I think it came out a
Speaker 2: year or so ago, or maybe two years ago, So
Speaker 2: I think it was like the thirteen year olds off
Speaker 2: on the early adopters, and then the rest of us
Speaker 2: band she's jumped on the bandwagon. So I probably started
Speaker 2: using it, you know, oh maybe March this year. Actually
Speaker 2: use it for a week, went off because obviously I
Speaker 2: didn't have any friends on it, and now plenty of
Speaker 2: people are back on it. Anybody here used be real?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Oh.
Speaker 1: I reckon that's fifty Do you reckon that? That was
Speaker 1: Chloe percent.
Speaker 5: Maybe about yeah, bigger fine.
Speaker 1: Seems like nobody wants to pick aside these days?
Speaker 2: Who here likes it? Because I believe you can use
Speaker 2: something and not like it. So for example, yeah, Instagram
Speaker 2: love hate relationship, TikTok love hate relationship, LinkedIn love relationship, okay,
Speaker 2: Twitter hate relationship.
Speaker 1: Oh but I'm still.
Speaker 2: Going through looking if there's men cheese, there isn't features
Speaker 2: not in that intellectual circle Twitter, I know you have
Speaker 2: beef with it.
Speaker 1: Do you think any anything could change that?
Speaker 3: Could anything change the personal beeB have with be real?
Speaker 3: Probably not, only because I think that there's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with the actual format or the function. But the app
Speaker 3: is trying to present itself as the antidote to everything
Speaker 3: you hate about social media, so you're not meant to
Speaker 3: spend too much time on it. It's, you know, not hypercure.
Speaker 3: It's capturing the moment for what the moment is. You're
Speaker 3: connecting with your real personal friends in your circle. Laddi
Speaker 3: dadi da, I get it. But then in practice it's
Speaker 3: like a gamified at just like.
Speaker 1: The rest of them.
Speaker 3: The fact that you have to publish on the app
Speaker 3: to see any of your friend's content is an issue.
Speaker 3: The fact that in order to access any of your analytics. Like,
Speaker 3: for example, if you take a screenshot of my be real,
Speaker 3: I get a notification that says, oh, someone's taking a screenshot.
Speaker 1: If I want to find out who it.
Speaker 3: Is, I need to share this on my other social
Speaker 3: media profiles.
Speaker 1: Just let me see the stuff. Can you see it?
Speaker 1: If you share it else?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I'll be like, Okay, it's rooms a screenshot.
Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying? This is way more
Speaker 3: insidious than any of the other platforms.
Speaker 1: And they're selling my data. Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So these people have come through, they're kind of like,
Speaker 1: no where the good guys right, Like it's this.
Speaker 3: Free platform connect with your friends, like be honest and candid,
Speaker 3: only for them to essentially create an experience that is
Speaker 3: hyper exclusive, heaps curated because people like I'm waiting for
Speaker 3: my burial to go off. Hopefully it goes off right
Speaker 3: now so I can capture this really rare moment right now.
Speaker 1: It's just a mess.
Speaker 3: I think when people think about like social media is
Speaker 3: bad for you, we need to use less of it,
Speaker 3: I think we just need to use it better. And
Speaker 3: we can't use it better until we stop being in
Speaker 3: denial about how much we actually enjoy it, and.
Speaker 1: So something like be Real. They're like, no, this is
Speaker 1: just a practical way to use social media. Now it's not.
Speaker 3: It's as like superficial as the rest of it. Just
Speaker 3: be honest, be real. Huh.
Speaker 1: I can fight about it all day. I won't. But
Speaker 1: why do you like it so much?
Speaker 3: Because the thing about th me when it came out,
Speaker 3: she was like, no, this is the best, it's amazing,
Speaker 3: Like it's honest, it's like how people should be using
Speaker 3: the internet.
Speaker 1: And now you're flip flopping with our show.
Speaker 2: We both have to come to the table every week
Speaker 2: with a list of ideas, and look, sometimes a few
Speaker 2: ideas don't hit.
Speaker 1: I can't relate.
Speaker 2: But yet I've put my idea down and look, I've
Speaker 2: got to roll with it. So do I have anything
Speaker 2: else to really say about be Real? No, But here's
Speaker 2: a lesson in how to fly for an on the
Speaker 2: air segment. Okay, I'm gonna refute a few things that
Speaker 2: you just said.
Speaker 3: You don't refute your points because you are the one
Speaker 3: who said, like this is this is the best thing
Speaker 3: about social media. And granted I hold on, I'm paraphrasing.
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing you've granted. I feel like, you know, you
Speaker 3: don't know how you feel about something until you've use
Speaker 3: it for a little bit. But for me, the red
Speaker 3: flags are from day dot. Like as soon as I
Speaker 3: use the app, I was like, you don't see what
Speaker 3: they're doing to us.
Speaker 1: You don't see what they're doing to you.
Speaker 3: Like the thing about figuring out that Instagram is insidious, right,
Speaker 3: it crept up on us. We were like, oh, but
Speaker 3: we're enjoying this, right, Like I publish my stuff and
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's a little bit insane to drive
Speaker 3: two hours to go to.
Speaker 1: A pink wall to take a photo, but like we're
Speaker 1: all doing it, right.
Speaker 3: This is community, and like maybe it's a bit weird
Speaker 3: that I am, like, you know, getting neurotic about like
Speaker 3: how to present myself, but like we're all neurotic, right right,
Speaker 3: Like and then after five, six, seven years, we develop
Speaker 3: a communal awareness about how it's cooked, and then we
Speaker 3: decide for ourselves. I'm going to you know, reconcile that
Speaker 3: incompatible truth and still use it comfortably, or I'm going
Speaker 3: to log off.
Speaker 1: Be real, it's fresh, it's new.
Speaker 3: We're taking everything we know about social media everything we
Speaker 3: know about, you know, presenting ourselves digitally and disregarding it
Speaker 3: for this new platform, like we don't know what they're
Speaker 3: trying to do to us. And like the Internet said,
Speaker 3: if the product is free, you are the product. Be
Speaker 3: real is like, how do you have a team of
Speaker 3: twenty and you don't monetize?
Speaker 2: Do I have a tame with twenty people? Huge to
Speaker 2: see you do any research? Always okay for me and you? Well,
Speaker 2: this is also where it differs. Did I ever say
Speaker 2: I think it's replacing anything on the Internet. No, But
Speaker 2: just me saying I like something puts me into the
Speaker 2: category of people that say this is a new Internet,
Speaker 2: this is new social media.
Speaker 1: I don't think be real is actually social media. I
Speaker 1: think you chat times we all saw that headline. Did
Speaker 1: they do it?
Speaker 3: The other times is like, don't look at be real
Speaker 3: like social media. Look at it like a word or
Speaker 3: it's a daily habit. Even worse, well, did you know I.
Speaker 2: Don't have a subscription to the New York Times.
Speaker 1: Cat me listen to this. I've gone through trauma with
Speaker 1: the New York Times.
Speaker 2: I was subscribed to them, thinking I'm doing my bit
Speaker 2: for journalism. Tried to cancel had to call them up
Speaker 2: in America obviously couldn't do that. Somehow I found a
Speaker 2: way to cancel it, but they're still billying me. I
Speaker 2: think it is just Snapchat, but for old people. I
Speaker 2: don't think young people are actually using be real snapchats
Speaker 2: stay young people like people.
Speaker 1: On twenty two. Oh.
Speaker 2: If you look at the amount of people that are
Speaker 2: still using apps, it goes like Facebook, Instagram, this this
Speaker 2: is old. Yeah, no, no, but this is every single
Speaker 2: everyone everyone. Just listenkay, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok creeping up real fast,
Speaker 2: then something else and then Snapchat, like Snapchat still has
Speaker 2: like thirty percent of the world uses Snapchat still.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Every time I try to fact check, it's always wrong.
Speaker 2: But I just think it's basically like just like Snapchat,
Speaker 2: but a little bit more like sophisticated and new and
Speaker 2: using the two camera thing is something that we wouldn't
Speaker 2: have done in the past. But I'm sick of it also,
Speaker 2: so I'm over be real, What are you sick of it? Well,
Speaker 2: I went to Europe and I just stopped using it
Speaker 2: while I was over there, and now I just I've
Speaker 2: lost the touch.
Speaker 3: You see, like unpack that thought you went to Europe,
Speaker 3: and you stopped using b Real.
Speaker 2: I stopped using social media point blank.
Speaker 3: That's a lie because we saw free with Hero Trip,
Speaker 3: didn't we did?
Speaker 1: We not see that?
Speaker 2: How do we see that? I stopped scrolling? And I'm
Speaker 2: a big fat scroller these days. In our conclusion, can
Speaker 2: I just ask a really quick question. Put your hand
Speaker 2: up if you think you're going to be using be
Speaker 2: real next year anyway?
Speaker 1: One person? Okay?
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Speaker 3: I want to know what is the most iconic advice
Speaker 3: you've ever received.
Speaker 2: This is a new piece of advice that my grandma
Speaker 2: used to tell me. That's frog on the top hat.
Speaker 2: My dad's mum, very wise woman. She would say, if
Speaker 2: you're it's like you're reading from up there, she's in
Speaker 2: heaven or she's up somewhere. I mentioned rap irp olive.
Speaker 2: To not know what to do, it is to know
Speaker 2: what to do. So if you're not sure about something
Speaker 2: like if you're trying to make your mind up. Let's
Speaker 2: say you want to buy a top but you're not sure,
Speaker 2: don't do it.
Speaker 1: M that's actually like no answer is an answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll text ad for later in the show to ask
Speaker 2: him to completely repeat the exact words.
Speaker 1: But yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then, what would you say is the most
Speaker 3: iconic advice you've ever given?
Speaker 2: Well, when I was probably nineteen, I like, did this article.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was for, maybe UNI or something.
Speaker 2: And I said my best piece of advice was if
Speaker 2: it feels good, do it.
Speaker 3: That's like when I used to say, if someone tells
Speaker 3: you know you're talking to the wrong person.
Speaker 1: It's very amazing in early twenties. It definitely is.
Speaker 3: Best piece of advice I've been given recently is from
Speaker 3: my friend who plagiarized the TikTok in order to give
Speaker 3: it to me, But I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was mulling over a thought, a decision.
Speaker 3: That i'd made that I felt like I didn't make
Speaker 3: it well, like I just kind of impulsively did it
Speaker 3: like I do most things, but this one was like
Speaker 3: grating at me. I didn't tell her the specifics of
Speaker 3: it because, like, you know, not necessary. But she was
Speaker 3: just like, oh, if it's about obligation, just think would
Speaker 3: you rather live with the guilt or the resentment? And
Speaker 3: I was like huh, and she was like, I can't
Speaker 3: help you clarify because I don't have the situation. But
Speaker 3: then I felt I thought about it, and I was like, oh, okay, Well,
Speaker 3: the guilt of the situation is me feeling like I
Speaker 3: made a decision, I made a promise, I made a
Speaker 3: commitment that wasn't well thought out, so I didn't think
Speaker 3: of myself or the other person, and I feel obligated
Speaker 3: to do it, and the guilt of saying no is
Speaker 3: like hurting me and it's going to hurt them, right,
Speaker 3: But then I'm kind of like, EO, that feels bad.
Speaker 3: But then I'm kind of like, oh, what feels worse
Speaker 3: is like resenting the situation, because now I'm resenting myself,
Speaker 3: I'm resenting them, I'm resenting the situation.
Speaker 1: It all feels terrible.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I'd much rather live with the
Speaker 3: guilt and going back on my word than the resentment
Speaker 3: of knowing that I had the agency to do it,
Speaker 3: and I decided not to because there's something about it,
Speaker 3: Like I think that there are a lot of situations
Speaker 3: where we don't have any agency or so it feels
Speaker 3: like like some things you just can't pull out of.
Speaker 3: Life is not that simple, but other times it is.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if.
Speaker 3: It's like an egotistical thing or a narcissistic thing where
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, where is me?
Speaker 1: Where was me? Where was me? I'm so stressed that it's.
Speaker 3: So hard because I think that there is a power
Speaker 3: in simplifying stuff, not simplifying the way everybody sees it,
Speaker 3: but simplifying your attachment to it.
Speaker 1: Right, So sometimes just deciding to be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I cooked it?
Speaker 3: Sorry, Like I know, I said I can, I can't.
Speaker 3: I know, I wouldn't. I know, I said I was
Speaker 3: going to. I like, I'm not going to. And then no,
Speaker 3: knowing that I've disappointed someone, I can live with that,
Speaker 3: knowing that I've disappointed myself. It's gotta be with me
Speaker 3: for ages, Like I'd rather like myself above all, or
Speaker 3: at least trust myself for myself, then for the benefit
Speaker 3: of someone who's gonna forget I exist in like T
Speaker 3: minus five years.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, sick right, And what's the best advice you've given?
Speaker 1: When you know better, you do better.
Speaker 3: So if you don't know, find the information and it
Speaker 3: goes with everything you know, Like I don't know how
Speaker 3: I should approach that situation, then like what information do
Speaker 3: you have? Go seek that out? You know, I don't
Speaker 3: know if what I did was right? What is going
Speaker 3: to help you figure that out? Go find that first
Speaker 3: and then circle back. Something so simple about like choosing
Speaker 3: to give yourself permission to be the decision maker and
Speaker 3: choosing to, like, you know, write your own narrative with
Speaker 3: conviction as opposed to just being like I'm an MPC
Speaker 3: and things happened to me, And what's NPC a non
Speaker 3: playable character?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Bab's get on the PS.
Speaker 2: Five, I can't do the IPS two and then I
Speaker 2: check it.
Speaker 3: When you're playing a game and there are like people
Speaker 3: in the background that like you can you can see,
Speaker 3: but you can't really interact with.
Speaker 1: Like, don't be that person for your own life.
Speaker 3: Don't just look at your life like a voyeur and
Speaker 3: wait for things to kind of just happen and then
Speaker 3: resent that fact. Choose something even if you're choosing wrong. Cool, Next,
Speaker 3: a minute. Flex there's violence, you know what. I'm just
Speaker 3: trying out some new things. But yeah, anyway, do you
Speaker 3: know what's so crazy? What now that I feel things
Speaker 3: like a sensitive being, I'm like, oh yeah, I cannot
Speaker 3: hold this.
Speaker 1: For all of you.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Like we've all got to suffer. I
Speaker 3: was suffering alone. Now we can suffer together.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, what do you think? May you sensitive? Can't
Speaker 1: get into it? Okay, we'll do that next week on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Your favorite professional opinion have is a back again live
Speaker 3: show recording.
Speaker 1: You know how it is.
Speaker 2: When we first started the show, we'd say it's your
Speaker 2: favorite duo having.
Speaker 1: Been on the airwaves for airwaves for one week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I stand with some humble pie. Anybody been seeing all
Speaker 1: of these information breaches? Put your hand up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who who's a bit scared? Who's alert but not alarmed?
Speaker 2: That's a nice phrase, nice one, nice one.
Speaker 1: So that's overwhelmingly nos.
Speaker 3: Like if we had to put on a scale, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what is privacy?
Speaker 1: I don't want to say who cares? But if it's
Speaker 1: if it's you've been breach, you've been breached.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we've been giving up our privacy on
Speaker 2: something like Facebook. We've been essentially doing like a mass
Speaker 2: survey for the first time in human history, putting out
Speaker 2: your birthday, putting out what you're thinking today, just forget
Speaker 2: about as friends exist.
Speaker 1: Censuses.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but that's a bit more like when you're
Speaker 2: in a census, you're like you have you can't give
Speaker 2: away like trivial information that paints more of a holistic
Speaker 2: picture of your personality.
Speaker 1: So we've had the optus breach. We've had. The most
Speaker 1: recent one is the Medicare breach.
Speaker 2: So someone's gotten into the system in Medicare, they've got
Speaker 2: our medical records. This is the one that made me
Speaker 2: think it's over fam What was I saying medibank?
Speaker 1: Oh was it? It wasn't Madycare, It was Medibank. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. So it's purely just people with medibank loser.
Speaker 2: I think, what are some other health health funds? Booper
Speaker 2: booper is HCF one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were we got tramped?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well it got me thinking what breach.
Speaker 1: Would you be most concerned about?
Speaker 2: Would it be your health information, your wealth information, your
Speaker 2: I messages, your Facebook messages, what's the most you're scared about?
Speaker 1: Or your Google history? I don't know if I'm scared
Speaker 1: about any of them.
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like in twenty twenty two, I've
Speaker 3: been way more mindful of privacy or the illusion of privacy,
Speaker 3: just because I kind of lived my life in a
Speaker 3: very invincible way. Like I got a password manager this year,
Speaker 3: big time for me, because I was like, who cares?
Speaker 3: Like what can you find? But not just that, I
Speaker 3: feel like, what's the worst that could happened? But also
Speaker 3: like me as an individual, me worrying about what institutions
Speaker 3: should be taken care of is not saving me or
Speaker 3: helping me. I guess I would be kind of concerned
Speaker 3: if my bank was like, sorry.
Speaker 1: Details I'm missing, I don't know where we put them.
Speaker 1: I'd be concerned about that. But then it is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: Every platform, brand, client, institution has had, you know, a
Speaker 3: breach of some capacity, just not as big as this.
Speaker 3: So like you know, you've got a little notifications on the
Speaker 3: bottom of your chrome, like your past has been compromised.
Speaker 1: Well, the skip.
Speaker 2: Next breaches must happen in the government and stuff that
Speaker 2: we just don't know about. Yeah, Australia's privacy law is terrible.
Speaker 2: Is anyone here a lawyer none at all. You're a lawyer,
Speaker 2: do you know much about Australian privacy policy?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 2: There's lots of different types of law, isn't there. Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Well I would be most scared about my Facebook messages.
Speaker 2: They're telling about Facebook messages that make me extra feral,
Speaker 2: I think because like with I message, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like you have a thought and you send it out
Speaker 2: and it's not like instant messager, whereas Facebook it's like
Speaker 2: two instant that you get rabbied.
Speaker 1: Also, we've been using it for ten years and you
Speaker 1: can search it. You can see every single thing that
Speaker 1: you've sent.
Speaker 2: Like the indexing of the Facebook messager is probably the
Speaker 2: most brutal.
Speaker 3: That's funny because when you said to me that one
Speaker 3: time that you're scared you're gonna get canceled, I was like,
Speaker 3: what for?
Speaker 1: But then you being said of your Facebook messenger, what
Speaker 1: is in there? Yeah? You don't want to know. See.
Speaker 3: My thing is like I've really reconciled this idea that
Speaker 3: privacy as we know it is a myth, because I'm
Speaker 3: not sure that people are aware the extent that they're surveilled.
Speaker 3: Like I think people think they live quite like isolated lifestyles.
Speaker 3: Nobody sees me if I'm not publishing, or nobody sees
Speaker 3: me if I'm not making myself known. I was scrolling
Speaker 3: on TikTok the other day and there's this girl who
Speaker 3: has a series called Consensual Doxing, and it's all these
Speaker 3: people who are like, oh, you know, I don't post
Speaker 3: any of my information out there.
Speaker 1: You could never find me. And she's like, oh, very easily.
Speaker 1: It's like, you.
Speaker 3: Don't post on on TikTok, but you know you always
Speaker 3: comment on your husband's TikTok with heart. So I go
Speaker 3: into your page and see that you've got your school
Speaker 3: that you went to, and then I see it's.
Speaker 1: Just and she finds their house. Yeah you've seen this.
Speaker 1: She publishes it to show them how simple it is.
Speaker 1: So what you might want to do, and I did
Speaker 1: this last night.
Speaker 2: There's a website called porn like I've been pawned or
Speaker 2: You've been porn honed, poned p w ND basically type
Speaker 2: in information breach pawned website, check what's that ponn like
Speaker 2: owns pwned?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you? How else do you say it? Poned? Poned?
Speaker 1: So what you say it?
Speaker 2: One more time pawned like a prawn. Anyway, you can
Speaker 2: go check it out. I looked at mine the other day.
Speaker 2: It's like my Fitness Pal, all these different ones that
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