1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200
Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the opposition

2
00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,840
Speaker 1: leader Leah Finocchiaro, and a big happy birthday to you.

3
00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:06,400
Speaker 2: Thank you.

4
00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,160
Speaker 3: It's very exciting getting out to happy birthdays this morning.

5
00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,040
Speaker 3: I feel very special and very happy to.

6
00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,200
Speaker 4: Have a cupcake that's come in as well.

7
00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,360
Speaker 3: We just thought I better You're always, you know, happy

8
00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,239
Speaker 3: to have me on, so I thought i'd better, you know,

9
00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,279
Speaker 3: make sure my spots stays by bribing you with some cake.

10
00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,239
Speaker 1: Well, you know, always take a cupcake, no doubt about that.

11
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,720
Speaker 1: But a big happy birthday to you, Lea, and we

12
00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you still coming in obviously.

13
00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,000
Speaker 4: Thank you. Now, look, last night, we know.

14
00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,720
Speaker 1: People around the world stood still as we bid farewell

15
00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,159
Speaker 1: to the queen. It was indeed an historic moment. Hundreds

16
00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,239
Speaker 1: of thousands of people lined the streets to pay their

17
00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,240
Speaker 1: respect to the longest serving monarch in history.

18
00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,360
Speaker 4: Lea, did you watch that service? I did.

19
00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,639
Speaker 3: I did, and it was just I was gripping, even

20
00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,760
Speaker 3: though it was you know, a church service obviously a funeral.

21
00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,920
Speaker 3: I think people just around the world just completely stopped,

22
00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 3: and you know it was just amazing, you know, good

23
00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,320
Speaker 3: on her for such an amazing innings. You know, really

24
00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,880
Speaker 3: just what a way to go with the absolute admiration

25
00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,280
Speaker 3: of the world. You know. I just think she can

26
00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,039
Speaker 3: rest peacefully now and hopefully she's back with Philip and

27
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,679
Speaker 3: they can spend some private time together.

28
00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, I think no matter whether you're a

29
00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 1: royalist or not, the fact that she has served, you know,

30
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,080
Speaker 1: served for such an incredibly long period of time and

31
00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,759
Speaker 1: obviously stepped into that role as such a young woman is.

32
00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,360
Speaker 3: Admirable, absolutely, absolutely, you know, and in many ways it's

33
00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,360
Speaker 3: you know, you wouldn't wish it upon your enemy to

34
00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,720
Speaker 3: be the king of the Queen. It is such an enormous,

35
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,240
Speaker 3: enormous undertaking, and she just took it on with absolute

36
00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,680
Speaker 3: grace and dignity, and it's just the thing she's seen

37
00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,279
Speaker 3: in her lifetime alone, had to reign over is pretty amazing.

38
00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,320
Speaker 4: Yah, it certainly is.

39
00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200
Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about local issues, because there has been

40
00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,480
Speaker 1: a lot happening in the last twenty four hours now.

41
00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,640
Speaker 1: Yesterday there was a major announcement by Origin Energy they've

42
00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,560
Speaker 1: sold their share of the Beaterloo Basin gas prospect to

43
00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,240
Speaker 1: turn Born Resources for sixty million dollars. Now, the Greens

44
00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,160
Speaker 1: Senator Sarah Hanson Young she's written on Twitter that Origin's

45
00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,200
Speaker 1: decision was a big blow to the fossil fuel industry. Leah,

46
00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,280
Speaker 1: the gas industry forms a major aspect of the government's

47
00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,200
Speaker 1: plans for the economy to bounce back. Now, what do

48
00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,080
Speaker 1: you make of this decision by Origin.

49
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,560
Speaker 2: Look, I don't think this is a win for the Greens.

50
00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,640
Speaker 3: I think what this is is a really lack of

51
00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,079
Speaker 3: confidence in the Labor government. Of course, gas was in

52
00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,320
Speaker 3: an exploration phase. You know, six years ago the Labor

53
00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,920
Speaker 3: government came in and put the moratorium on gas. We

54
00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,359
Speaker 3: then had the Pepper Inquiry recommendations and those still haven't

55
00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040
Speaker 3: been completed. I mean, we really, by all accounts, should

56
00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,600
Speaker 3: already be in an extraction phase, and we're not even

57
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,959
Speaker 3: you know, we're just not as far down the road

58
00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,920
Speaker 3: as we need to be to unlock what is a

59
00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,519
Speaker 3: very very clean energy source that could power the rest

60
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,440
Speaker 3: of our country. I mean, we could be providing the

61
00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,639
Speaker 3: opportunity for Queensland and New South Wales and Victoria to

62
00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,880
Speaker 3: get off coal, which is, you know, sixty percent dirtier

63
00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,880
Speaker 3: than our gas out of the Bealoo. So I think

64
00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,560
Speaker 3: this is a big signal to the Labor government of

65
00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,640
Speaker 3: a lack of confidence.

66
00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,520
Speaker 1: How can it be though not a win for the

67
00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,840
Speaker 1: Greens but a loss for Labor when ultimately that moratorium

68
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,200
Speaker 1: was put in place really to bow to the green movement.

69
00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,960
Speaker 3: Well, Tamboorre and Resources have come in and purchased it.

70
00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,480
Speaker 3: So tamboor and will undoubtedly pick it up and run

71
00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,560
Speaker 3: with it as hard as they possibly can. But for

72
00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,520
Speaker 3: a big plan energy origin to walk away, I mean,

73
00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,480
Speaker 3: we know, just a couple of weeks ago at the

74
00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 3: Labor Party conference here in the territory there were motions

75
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,520
Speaker 3: that passed which wanted to stop on your gas. And

76
00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,600
Speaker 3: so you know, when you've got the Labor Party membership

77
00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,960
Speaker 3: saying let's stop gas no beterloo and a government really

78
00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,960
Speaker 3: dragging its heels, it doesn't build a confident.

79
00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,800
Speaker 2: Economic outlook for the gas industry, like I mean.

80
00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,120
Speaker 1: On that notche What impact do you think this is

81
00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,040
Speaker 1: going to have on the government's plans to build and

82
00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,880
Speaker 1: diversify the economy because we know that Middle Arm is

83
00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,839
Speaker 1: obviously an area where they are hoping to develop. Now

84
00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,280
Speaker 1: I understand that the government are certainly saying that part

85
00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,320
Speaker 1: of that development it is just assumed that it's gas,

86
00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,960
Speaker 1: but that they are looking to renewables.

87
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,200
Speaker 4: But realistically, what impact is this going to have.

88
00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean when you talk about the Turk Report or

89
00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,800
Speaker 1: the TOC Report, a lot of that did include gas.

90
00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,200
Speaker 3: Oh, there is no question that gas underpins our economic

91
00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,880
Speaker 3: future going forward. You cannot develop Middle Arm without gas.

92
00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,000
Speaker 3: There needs to be a gas pipeline direct from the

93
00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,680
Speaker 3: Beeloo into Middle Arm. And if there isn't one and

94
00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,919
Speaker 3: the government isn't going to build one, then it's what

95
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,920
Speaker 3: they're talking about is just absolute hot egg can't happen.

96
00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,880
Speaker 3: You can't have hydrogen, you can't have a baseload power

97
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,599
Speaker 3: for renewables without the gas.

98
00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,279
Speaker 2: Gas is sixty percent cleaner.

99
00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,560
Speaker 3: You know, the CLP thirty plus years ago decided to

100
00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,000
Speaker 3: go with gas instead of other less clean sources and

101
00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,200
Speaker 3: it's paved an important way for us and we can

102
00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,599
Speaker 3: now lead our nation provide energy secure, cleaner energy to

103
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,080
Speaker 3: our nation. But it is totally under thread and we're

104
00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 3: really worried about the fact that the Labor Party don't

105
00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,880
Speaker 3: want to develop the Beaterloo and that we're hearing not

106
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,320
Speaker 3: a lot of positive signals from the Labor government around

107
00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,000
Speaker 3: the future of that.

108
00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,159
Speaker 1: Do you worried that they're going to They're going to

109
00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,680
Speaker 1: try and make this as difficult as possible for any

110
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 1: development or any you know, further work to happen.

111
00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,880
Speaker 2: There without question, and they already have.

112
00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we are six years down the road, four

113
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,520
Speaker 3: years since the Pepper Inquiry and the moratorium, and yet

114
00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,800
Speaker 3: we still haven't passed all the recommendations in parliament. You know,

115
00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,680
Speaker 3: the industry are expecting those to come through this year.

116
00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,320
Speaker 3: We certainly haven't seen anything of that nature come through

117
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,440
Speaker 3: Parliament yet. And there's only two sitting weeks left. So

118
00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,679
Speaker 3: you know, this government's really got to put its money

119
00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,960
Speaker 3: where its mouth is. It can't just say, can't just

120
00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,560
Speaker 3: say it supports gas. It has to its actions have

121
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,440
Speaker 3: to meet its words.

122
00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's move along, because yesterday transit officer powers

123
00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,400
Speaker 1: were enhance The changes follow a number of incidents of

124
00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,840
Speaker 1: antisocial behavior on well on our public bus network. It's

125
00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,159
Speaker 1: something that we've spoken about for the last couple of weeks,

126
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,400
Speaker 1: and transit officers now essentially can issue banning notices to

127
00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,080
Speaker 1: people who engage in unlawful or antisocial activity on the network,

128
00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,280
Speaker 1: including on buses, at bus stops or bus interchanges. They

129
00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,880
Speaker 1: can also arrest someone if the transit officer is assaulted

130
00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,480
Speaker 1: while acting in the course of their duty outside the

131
00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,039
Speaker 1: vicinity of a bus or bus interchange. They can also

132
00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,880
Speaker 1: arrest someone for a range of offenses committed outside of

133
00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,840
Speaker 1: the vicinity of a bus or the interchange, and they

134
00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,440
Speaker 1: can deal with a person who assaults someone or damages

135
00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,320
Speaker 1: property within the bus network or a bus interchange when

136
00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,479
Speaker 1: the offender is outside the bus interchange as well.

137
00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,400
Speaker 4: Lea. Do you think that these changes go far enough?

138
00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,039
Speaker 3: Look, we certainly supported them in Parliament, but they don't

139
00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,320
Speaker 3: go far enough, and the reality is there just aren't

140
00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,440
Speaker 3: enough transit offices to go around. I mean last year,

141
00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,159
Speaker 3: between July one, twenty twenty and March thirty one, twenty

142
00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,960
Speaker 3: twenty one, there were seven thousand, six hundred and fifty

143
00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,440
Speaker 3: anti social behavior incidents on public transport. We've got the

144
00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,200
Speaker 3: Transport Union come out out and saying that they're having

145
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,320
Speaker 3: to re barricade drivers into buses because the barricades we

146
00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,240
Speaker 3: had a year ago are now not strong enough to

147
00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,800
Speaker 3: withhold and protect bus drivers from the type of violent

148
00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,360
Speaker 3: offending we're seeing on buses. I mean, this is catastrophic,

149
00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,000
Speaker 3: particularly at a time when fuel prices are so high.

150
00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,160
Speaker 3: More people are being driven to the public transport network

151
00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,480
Speaker 3: because they can't afford to drive their vehicle to work,

152
00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,920
Speaker 3: and yet we see these disgusting levels of crime and

153
00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,520
Speaker 3: our poor transit officers. I'm so glad they've finally been

154
00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,240
Speaker 3: given more powers, but we probably need two or three

155
00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,240
Speaker 3: times as many of them.

156
00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,400
Speaker 4: Leah, you said.

157
00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,720
Speaker 1: Seven six hundred and fifty issues of antisocial behavior over

158
00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,600
Speaker 1: what period of time is that and where are those

159
00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,400
Speaker 1: figures from?

160
00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,320
Speaker 3: That was from one July twenty twenty to May thirty

161
00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,840
Speaker 3: one at twenty twenty one. I'm pulling it from a

162
00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,840
Speaker 3: story that the Anti News ran a few weeks ago,

163
00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,440
Speaker 3: but those numbers also come out through the written question process,

164
00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,080
Speaker 3: and we're about to ask a whole bunch more because

165
00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 3: government have certainly said that those numbers have decreased, and

166
00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 3: they've been focusing on antisocial behavior on the transport network,

167
00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,240
Speaker 3: and we want to actually see if the truth is

168
00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,760
Speaker 3: it comes out there now.

169
00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,080
Speaker 1: Leah, I think that everybody probably agrees with you that

170
00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,840
Speaker 1: we do need more of those antisocials, well more of

171
00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,880
Speaker 1: those those transit officers on our buses to deal with

172
00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,200
Speaker 1: the antisocial behavior. The Minister yesterday told us I believe

173
00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,640
Speaker 1: that they're at nineteen. They have got an additional two

174
00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,120
Speaker 1: coming on board. I mean you said that they could

175
00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,760
Speaker 1: almost double or triple those numbers, But how are we

176
00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,280
Speaker 1: going to fund that? Yeah?

177
00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,400
Speaker 2: Well, and this is where it comes back to the budget.

178
00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:30,560
Speaker 4: You know.

179
00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,959
Speaker 3: And if this government hadn't fixated itself on pet projects

180
00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,640
Speaker 3: and hand out money like it's candies in a lolly shop,

181
00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,920
Speaker 3: then when it comes to problems like this, we could

182
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,160
Speaker 3: easily say, right, put an ad in the paper, let's

183
00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:41,920
Speaker 3: get thirty more.

184
00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,280
Speaker 1: Look, there'll be people listening though, who are saying it's

185
00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,640
Speaker 1: really easy for the opposition leader to just say, well,

186
00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,640
Speaker 1: we would fund them and we wouldn't waste our money,

187
00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,240
Speaker 1: but where like, how exactly would you fund them?

188
00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,640
Speaker 3: So, for example, we wouldn't have given twelve million dollars

189
00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,320
Speaker 3: for a grandstand. We wouldn't never spend four million on

190
00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,200
Speaker 3: a shadeless shade structure with vines that don't grow on

191
00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,640
Speaker 3: Kavanagh Street. You know, these are just a couple of

192
00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,959
Speaker 3: things I can think of. There's plenty of examples right

193
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 3: around the territory of wasted money, and ultimately we do

194
00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,960
Speaker 3: need to reign in spending. But you know, community safety

195
00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,280
Speaker 3: is number one, and at the end of the day,

196
00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,920
Speaker 3: if people can't be safe in the territory, they won't

197
00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,199
Speaker 3: stay here, and we need to make sure people feel

198
00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,360
Speaker 3: safe at all costs.

199
00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:19,800
Speaker 4: All right.

200
00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,040
Speaker 1: There were also changes yesterday to the BDR. Now the

201
00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,840
Speaker 1: devices are going to replace current technology coming to its

202
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,160
Speaker 1: end of life. There's going to be tablet chose to

203
00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,640
Speaker 1: streamline this technology. From your perspective, do you think it's

204
00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,960
Speaker 1: going to make much of a difference.

205
00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,040
Speaker 2: No, I really don't.

206
00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,640
Speaker 3: And what seems very unclear, and I'm happy to be corrected,

207
00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,640
Speaker 3: is whether or not this new technology will accept the

208
00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:42,640
Speaker 3: new driver's license.

209
00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,040
Speaker 2: I think that's something government have been silent on.

210
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,440
Speaker 3: So of course, if you're someone who's got the new

211
00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,400
Speaker 3: blue shiny license that gets printed into state, you're not

212
00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,080
Speaker 3: able to be scanned by the BDR, which is then

213
00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,199
Speaker 3: a manual process for the person. But what I'm more

214
00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,560
Speaker 3: concerned about is the lost opportunity. Sure, they're going to

215
00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,719
Speaker 3: spend nearly a million dollars upgrading technology, which makes it

216
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,440
Speaker 3: faster for retailers, which is a good thing, but only

217
00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,920
Speaker 3: points zero seven percent of people get rejected in a month.

218
00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,000
Speaker 3: I mean, the BDR is capturing an extremely small percentage

219
00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,920
Speaker 3: of takeaway of takeaway grog. And so I really worry

220
00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,360
Speaker 3: that we don't have enough people on the BDR, that

221
00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,600
Speaker 3: we missed an opportunity here to enhance the BDR. For example,

222
00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,200
Speaker 3: could the BDR also scan the age of the person

223
00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,760
Speaker 3: so that they you know, you don't have to hand

224
00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,760
Speaker 3: your idea over as well to look for whether you're

225
00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,520
Speaker 3: eighteen and a range of other things.

226
00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,880
Speaker 1: So I mean as well, whether there's a way that

227
00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,800
Speaker 1: it can actually kind of that it can somehow, you know,

228
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,280
Speaker 1: determine how much alcohol people have purchased in the last

229
00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, if they're and I'm just thinking out loud here,

230
00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,720
Speaker 1: whether there is actually a way that if there is

231
00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,920
Speaker 1: somebody who's purchasing copious amounts of alcohol and then on selling,

232
00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,120
Speaker 1: whether there's a way that you can track.

233
00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,280
Speaker 4: To that kind of thing or track it.

234
00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,679
Speaker 1: And I don't know, but I do think that there

235
00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,360
Speaker 1: is certainly some capacity here for there to be a

236
00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,760
Speaker 1: bit of a review of the BDR, for sure, to

237
00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,360
Speaker 1: make it more effective effective exactly.

238
00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,200
Speaker 3: So out of five nearly so, out of half a

239
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,360
Speaker 3: million BDR related sales for the month of July, three

240
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,520
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five people were a few, so that's

241
00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,719
Speaker 3: point zero seven percent, So it's really small. And when

242
00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,280
Speaker 3: you look at where the referrals are coming from, you know,

243
00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,200
Speaker 3: I'm really alarmed. For example, coming out of domestic violence orders,

244
00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,240
Speaker 3: only nineteen people were put on the BDR, when you

245
00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,840
Speaker 3: know all of the information shows us that domestic violence

246
00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,839
Speaker 3: is highly related to alcohol. And of course we've got

247
00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,280
Speaker 3: no referrals from health to the BDR.

248
00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,240
Speaker 4: We know there was half a million transactions yep.

249
00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,040
Speaker 3: So if it's all on the government's website, so anyone

250
00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,400
Speaker 3: can pull up the BDR stats and I encourage people

251
00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,280
Speaker 3: to go and have a look. They do a monthly

252
00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,720
Speaker 3: report or usually they do a monthly.

253
00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,560
Speaker 2: Report, I should say.

254
00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,440
Speaker 3: But you know, when you look at the pathways for

255
00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,680
Speaker 3: people to get on the BDR, the onus is really

256
00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,800
Speaker 3: put on our police and our courts, which is unfair

257
00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,079
Speaker 3: to a large extent because the reality is, and this

258
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,280
Speaker 3: is something I've talked about for years, is that where

259
00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,880
Speaker 3: our health and this health are seeing people come into

260
00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,920
Speaker 3: hospital chronically affected by alcohol, We've got Mission Australia and

261
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,640
Speaker 3: other agencies running rehabilitation. Where is their role in putting

262
00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:16,600
Speaker 3: people on the BDR.

263
00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,720
Speaker 2: It just doesn't it how.

264
00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,280
Speaker 1: Somebody is presenting to hospital with alcohol related harm, the

265
00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,240
Speaker 1: health department should be able to put them on the BDR.

266
00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely they should be.

267
00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,760
Speaker 3: If they are seeing the same person come in several

268
00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,079
Speaker 3: times a week, If the alcohol rehabilitation facilities are seeing

269
00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,240
Speaker 3: the same people over and over again, at what point

270
00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,319
Speaker 3: do they have a responsibility to stop access to grog?

271
00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,560
Speaker 4: I mean is it a big call?

272
00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,440
Speaker 1: Though? When you're talking about as doctors, those working in

273
00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,800
Speaker 1: the sobering up shelters who are already under the pump, like,

274
00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,400
Speaker 1: is it something that should also be put on their shoulders.

275
00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,440
Speaker 3: Well, police are incredibly under the pump. I mean, it's

276
00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,640
Speaker 3: just the reality is this. Do we believe alcohol is

277
00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,880
Speaker 3: harming people? If the answer is yes, then what are

278
00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,880
Speaker 3: we doing about supporting people to break their habit?

279
00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:03,400
Speaker 2: Now?

280
00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,239
Speaker 3: This government's decided that dealing with restricting supply is one area.

281
00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,199
Speaker 3: We believe there should be a type of mandatory treatment

282
00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,079
Speaker 3: where someone has completely given up on themselves and succumbed

283
00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,960
Speaker 3: to their addiction, we believe government should step in and

284
00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,600
Speaker 3: say hang on, you need help, you can't help yourself.

285
00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,440
Speaker 3: This government's taken a different approach with voluntary rehab. But

286
00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, if you're the registrar sitting at a rehab

287
00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,120
Speaker 3: it's not that difficult to then make a referral to

288
00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:30,720
Speaker 3: the BDR.

289
00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,240
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think that there's going to be people

290
00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,319
Speaker 1: with some pretty strong opinions on that and whether it

291
00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,600
Speaker 1: should be something that you know that the registrar obviously

292
00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,600
Speaker 1: at one of those you know locations should actually be

293
00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,760
Speaker 1: determining or not. But we'll see what our listeners think.

294
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,160
Speaker 1: Feel free to send us a message zero four double

295
00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,959
Speaker 1: nine seven double one three six zero Leah. We are

296
00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,000
Speaker 1: running out of time very quickly, but I do want

297
00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,680
Speaker 1: to ask. Obviously new Coorp president was elected over the weekend,

298
00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,600
Speaker 1: Lawson Broad stepping into that role. From your perspective, obviously

299
00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,200
Speaker 1: it's a parliamentary wing leader. What does that mean for

300
00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:04,680
Speaker 1: the party.

301
00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it was a really fantastic weekend. We had

302
00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:12,400
Speaker 3: some great policy discussions. But also the party has elected

303
00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,280
Speaker 3: laws and Broad to be our president, Terry Hart to

304
00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,080
Speaker 3: be our vice president, and Sean Heenan and Alice Springs

305
00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,920
Speaker 3: as our second vice president. This represents an incredibly strong, capable,

306
00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,920
Speaker 3: experienced leadership team which is really going to help drive

307
00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,520
Speaker 3: the CLP forward over the next two years. The countdown

308
00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,360
Speaker 3: is absolutely onto twenty twenty four, Katie, and we are

309
00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,920
Speaker 3: getting ourselves into top shape to show territories that we

310
00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,240
Speaker 3: are the government for them come twenty four.

311
00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,840
Speaker 4: Lea very quick question from one of our listeners.

312
00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,160
Speaker 1: It says, why won't the CLP support the calls for

313
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,880
Speaker 1: a royal commission into how Northern Territory police are being treated?

314
00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,280
Speaker 1: And why have they gone quiet since that was put

315
00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,880
Speaker 1: on the table.

316
00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,360
Speaker 3: Look, the Member for Blaine is being political about this

317
00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,200
Speaker 3: and I don't really appreciate the sort of social media

318
00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,960
Speaker 3: e war he is trying to fight. I'm not interested

319
00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,200
Speaker 3: in what he has to say. Quite frankly, we have

320
00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,040
Speaker 3: tried three times in Parliament to get this government to

321
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,280
Speaker 3: commence an inquiry into our police force over two years.

322
00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,000
Speaker 2: Three times we have tried.

323
00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,000
Speaker 3: We want to see a review into the police force

324
00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,840
Speaker 3: which is in absolute crisis. But if the Member for

325
00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,880
Speaker 3: Blaine thinks he's going to get a royal commission up

326
00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,920
Speaker 3: when this government won't even run a parliamentary inquiry, then

327
00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,120
Speaker 3: quite frankly he's dreaming.

328
00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,080
Speaker 4: I mean, should there be a royal commission into this space?

329
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,680
Speaker 3: I think there needs to be a full inquiry. If

330
00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,920
Speaker 3: a royal commission is then the right step after that,

331
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,440
Speaker 3: then so be it. But you've got to you know,

332
00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,040
Speaker 3: you've got to crawl before you can run. And ultimately

333
00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,960
Speaker 3: we think that the government has completely absconded from its

334
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,120
Speaker 3: responsibilities and leadership here to make sure that the police

335
00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,680
Speaker 3: survey which showed that eighty percent of our police force

336
00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,840
Speaker 3: do not have confidence in the commissioner, that ninety percent

337
00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,720
Speaker 3: don't want the public service pay frees, that morale is

338
00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,600
Speaker 3: through the floor. We think those things need to be

339
00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,000
Speaker 3: examined and we've thought that for two very long years.

340
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760
Speaker 3: Is tried everything we can to force the issue and

341
00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 3: ultimately government are just baring their head in the sand.

342
00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,120
Speaker 1: Robin Lamley has come out incredibly strong over the weekend

343
00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,520
Speaker 1: and written an opinion piece in the Northern Territory News saying,

344
00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,120
Speaker 1: in her words, which the Police Commissioner has failed on

345
00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,560
Speaker 1: his number one KPI and that is upholding law and order.

346
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:22,920
Speaker 4: Do you feel he should stand down?

347
00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,160
Speaker 3: Well, this is why we want to have the inquiry.

348
00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920
Speaker 3: We think the Commissioner and the executive should have to

349
00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960
Speaker 3: front up, explain what the problem is, what they're going

350
00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,640
Speaker 3: to do about it, and then ultimately, based on the

351
00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,960
Speaker 3: answers to that forensic and questioning decide whether or not

352
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,320
Speaker 3: his tenure is able to remain.

353
00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,360
Speaker 2: This is an important process that needs to happen.

354
00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,600
Speaker 3: He needs to be given the right of reply and

355
00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,120
Speaker 3: opportunity to explain a way forward. But ultimately to leave

356
00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,480
Speaker 3: this and do nothing is not okay.

357
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, look, he did do his best to try and

358
00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000
Speaker 1: explain a way forward on the show a few weeks ago.

359
00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,160
Speaker 1: We had him on and certainly asked him why he

360
00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,720
Speaker 1: still felt as so he was the best place and

361
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,439
Speaker 1: the best person to be leading the Northern Territory Police

362
00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,760
Speaker 1: Force despite those survey results and despite what was going on.

363
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel as though he's adequately explained that.

364
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,280
Speaker 3: No, And it's look, it's great that he came on

365
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,040
Speaker 3: Radio Katie and I'm absolutely not knocking that. But ultimately

366
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,280
Speaker 3: this is about performance management. You know, you have an executive,

367
00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,080
Speaker 3: they then require performance management when you get these types

368
00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,400
Speaker 3: of results. And if the government aren't going to performance

369
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,800
Speaker 3: manage their commissioner and police executive, then the Parliament can.

370
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're talking about.

371
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,000
Speaker 3: This is basically a performance management formal process that has

372
00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,359
Speaker 3: to happen now to work out what the next step is.

373
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,080
Speaker 1: Leah Finocchio, the opposition leader, we are going to have

374
00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,680
Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thanks so much for your time

375
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,359
Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy the rest of your birthday.

376
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,520
Speaker 2: Thank you everyone, Take care,