WEBVTT - BONUS: The Button Man with Scott Williams 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.080 Welcome to Not Another Crime Podcast. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.520 I'm Georgia Love, I'm Temmy Peterson, and the I'm a journalist, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.560 I am not and you are. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.040 Scott Williams, the official of Visual third host. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.240 Of the podcast, host of the. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.840 Everyone's Favorite is Back. We can't get enough of you. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.400 You can't get enough of writing stories, and our listeners 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:28.680 cannot get enough of you. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.200 Good lord, it's so true. A little bit about writing stories. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.320 That's the return of the judgmental reading glasses, the return 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.840 of the clipboard. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.000 So good. Did you buy this clipboard specifically for the podcast? 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.240 I didn't, but I think I'm going to get some 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.320 stickers from the lady that sent you stickers. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.599 We love Claude so much. She gave us some beautiful stickers. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.440 And that's Digs in the background. They're having a little drink. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.760 If you can hear that, Yeah, if you can. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.280 G The other day was like when we're recording or 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.840 recording the other and it was really hot out and 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.160 I had the water ball inside for the first time 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:06.560 in a very long time and was like, it's just 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.839 nice to have the water ball inside. And then. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:16.360 And then he started drinking. During the podcasts, the loudest 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:17.000 thing in the world. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.000 Yeah, really good. Actually, we've been moving house. We've had 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.760 a lot of it been a very exciting time. Just 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.080 about to go on Christmas. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.559 Break from moving is an exciting time. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.640 But that can be it's hard work, right, yeah. Yeah, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.320 But we all pitched in and we got it done 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:33.920 and we'll get settled in the new house and that's 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:34.360 gonna be great. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.120 It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fantastic. But it's 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.360 it's so exhausting moving as well. And then when you 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.160 get everything in there, you're like, oh, now I have 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.240 to unpack everything. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.240 That's the other people where you're like, but you know, 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:45.480 one of them is gonna be great. And I don't know. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:46.560 I'm talking it down so much. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.600 In a month's time, none of it will matter. 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.200 None of it's gonna matter. Very careful, it doesn't matter. 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:52.840 It doesn't matter. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.520 Yeah, actually for anyone, it was a very strange. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:57.120 Look at my arm. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:57.800 It doesn't matter. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.040 Imagine how I message you when I was moving and 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:01.480 just go just come around for a podcast. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:07.720 Everything boxes a few boxes when you're all out on deck. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.400 Yeah, correct, Oh no, I hate moving. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.880 Although I unpacking, I don't mind because I like kind 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:15.000 of setting up a new. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.959 Place, but you've got a pack to then be able 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:17.400 to unpack. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:22.080 That's Julia. I get like the fact that I've been 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.000 in the house for three days and I'm not completely 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.480 unpacked stresses me out. Oh yeah, I'm a person that 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.040 can't leave work at the end of the day with 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:28.960 emails reading. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.920 Yeah, okay, I look too much for you. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.480 I look at some of my friends emailing boxes at 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.800 work and I'm like, you've got nineteen hundred unread emails. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:38.680 I can't when I look at someone's phone. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.520 That stresses me out so much when they have like 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.440 eighty unread messages. Yeah, and unread emails as well. I 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.440 just want to go and help them with it. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.480 Let me clear it out, clear it out service. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.560 Maybe that could be like a air tasker service. Come 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:54.760 clear out my box. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:54.840 Just me. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.720 I'd just come around. Yeah, just let me know if 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.960 you want to come. Yeah, give me a glass of wine. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:02:59.360 I'll be there. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.320 Yeah, to pay through the app with jam Give. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.200 Me three glasses of one. I'll start replying. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.799 Truck and replies to people we'd never even met. 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.280 Quit for you, I'll abuse your boss whatever you want. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.919 I love it. I love it so I believe. I 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.320 believe because I believe through listener that you guys are 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.640 working through the holidays. We are, so I brought your 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.440 story today, but I thought, just for fun, i'd give 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.079 you some Christmas facts before. Chris, the story doesn't have 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.520 anything to do with Christmas, but I thought it's some 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.840 fun Christmas facts before it is. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:31.760 With the Christmas facts. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.280 All right, here's the first one. Did you know that 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.680 the reindeer in the song off the Red Nose Reindeer 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.760 are all pairs that compliment each other in some way? 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.920 So don't explain that I can. Donna and Blitzen can 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:46.760 you expand? Please exp working, Please explain. Donna and Blitzen 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.120 are Old English names for lightning and thunder. Dancer and 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.760 prance are both words that refer to dancing with joy 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:54.400 or abandoned. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.000 Yeah, that one I can. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.840 Dasher is an Old English name for comet. It's really 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.040 and comment. Oh, and Cupid and Vixen represent the naughty 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.000 and nice sides of love. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.560 Oh, Mark, really, when you started, I thought you were 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:11.520 talking about the fruit pear. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.200 Oh. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.800 They relate to a type of some sort of apple 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.120 with some sort of pair. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.920 I've got there. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.719 And also, can I do share a fact. It's always 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.279 on the twenty fifth of December. What is Christmas? 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.040 Yes, it is. No matter where the moon is, no 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.640 matter where the moon No, Wow, I am learning a 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:37.159 lot happen. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.080 The name of your autobography no matter with George Love 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.159 somewhere between the Moon. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.640 That I love A really vague title. It never comes 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.120 back George. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.400 We discovered the other day. I say we discovered. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.120 I discovered it and then sent you many picture screenshots 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.760 of the article because I loved it so much. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.040 There was a feature piece on Ronda Birch Moore. Her 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:03.839 memoir is called Legs eleven. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.080 That's amazing, beautiful. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.400 Nd Birch more amazing, like in Australia, like the person 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.000 in every musical, every carols, in the domain every She's 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.960 just such a She's been around for ages. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.040 But I would not She's always kind of looked the same. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.640 Yeah, yeah, always. Look, there's a term that we're use 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.560 in my family that would be her, which is she's 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:26.919 world famous in Australia. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:33.239 Yes, Rob Mills, John Farnham. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.040 So do you know that if you add up at 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.040 the gifts in the twelve Days of Christmas, it's three 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.919 hundred and sixty four gifts, one for each day of 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.080 the year, that are all presented on Christmas Day. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:46.599 Really, my God for the pears we're getting. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.000 And then finally, did you know that, in fact, all 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:56.960 the gifts in the twelve days of Christmas are birds, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.599 all of them. Would you like me to show my 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:04.960 working out play partridge in a pear tree? Two turtle doves, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.080 three French hens, four calling birds. By now you're the 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.680 girl getting the president, so you're thinking that's a. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.279 Lot of a lot of. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.680 Five gold rings refers to ring necked pheasants. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.520 That was the only good president of all of them. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.239 I thought you got five gold rings. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.440 So six geese laying seven to one swimming eight maids. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.400 Milking refers to egrets, specifically cattle egrets, which are called 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.440 what they what they what? I'm telling you cattle egrets 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.680 which are called that by locals because they follow the 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.360 cattle around and sit on their backs and they all 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:44.960 steal milk from their ards. It's milking, ye, nine ladies. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.200 Dancing refers to a bird called lapwings. There's are all 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.280 ings a bird called lapwings, which are common called dancing 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.480 lap wings or dancing ladies because of the elaborate aerial 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.559 displays they used to communicate lap dancing. Nine ladies dancing 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.800 is lap dancing? It's probably not where dancing comes from. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.960 I wouldn't the more obvious the lady dances on your 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:12.280 lap would be sorry, sorry, mate, I apologize working. Ten 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.680 lords are leaping. It refers to cuckoos. Cuckoos at the 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.160 time were called leaping birds, and leaping was a form 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.440 of deception. Cuckoos are well known to lay their eggs 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.000 in other birds nests and leave them for the other 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:29.760 birds to hatch and raise. Come on, ten lords are leaping. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:35.000 Eleven pipers piping plovers a beautiful gift for everyone due 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.000 to the call that they so out they make, which 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:37.960 sounds like a pipe. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.560 Which now doesn't it sounds like a lady screaming? 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.240 Well, anyone from Philip wouldn't know that it sounds like 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.440 a pipe. I don't know if there's anyone here today. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.600 And twelve drummers twelve doms. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.440 Sorry, I'm thinking the plovers don't sound like people's are 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.120 lady screaming? 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.200 That's curlews. Curlews sound like la. 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.240 And twelve drummers. Drumming refers to use who are named 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.720 ground drummers because of the noise that is their mate 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.760 in call Wow. So we go back to the last fact. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.240 It's three hundred and sixty four birds that the lady 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:10.840 gets given. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:12.239 There's too many birds. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.400 That's a lot of birds to give someone if you 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:14.840 love them. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.520 It's a lot of to give someone if you hate them. 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.960 Yeah, but if you hate them, it's more fun. Oh 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.720 my god, that four birds I don't like. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.280 I didn't know that. I didn't know they were all 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:27.840 birds in that. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:28.160 Yeah. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.600 So is Alfred Hitchcock's movie The Birds a Christmas movie? 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:32.000 Could be? 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.040 Yes, it's one of those. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:36.280 Kremlins. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:38.839 Fascinated. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:40.520 What's your go to Christmas movie? 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.160 By the way, I love National Lampoons. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:44.960 Oh yeah, lovely. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.600 Yeah, I have reindeer eggnog glasses. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.599 Oh my god, brain, because Jesus, you've got two that 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:52.520 you watch every year. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.880 Well my, they're in my favorite movies of all time, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.600 let alone Christmas movies, and they obviously Love Actually. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.800 And Else Okay, excellent, two of my top movies. So 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.679 last time I was here, I ruined Disneyland. I'm not 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.520 going to make any I'm not going to make any comments. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.040 Actually I've comments, and I throw them out. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.440 Yeah, fair enough to She's it's. 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.720 A rom com, it's movie, it's fiction. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.720 It's fine, it's fine. Grow up, just grow up. People. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.760 Speaking of stories and documentaries, let me tell you a story. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.520 So if this story was a Netflix documentary, it would 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.480 start with the sweeping shot of the Great Alpine National Park, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.839 starting at the base of Australia's Great Dividing Range, just 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.920 outside of Bensdale, all the way up to Mount Kosiosko. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.240 The Alpine National Park protects over one point six million 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.679 acres of Australian high country. Then the camera would sweep 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.600 in and start to focus on one section of the park, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.959 the One and Gata Valley, the southern It's not the 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.760 story you think it is. The southern end borders towns 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.200 like Mansfield, the skifields of Mount Buller and the majesty 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.800 of Mount Stirling. Campsites dot the landscape with places with 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.760 names that we know, like wild Dog Bend and One 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.439 and Gatda. But as beautiful as the willness is, it 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.959 is equally unforgiving. Every year hikers and day trippers find 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.040 themselves in trouble, needing to be rescued. People go missing 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.480 either because they want to like the alleged killer Desi Freeman, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.840 or through accident or misadventure. Occasionally people are even murdered. 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.560 Campus reports, strange encounters, huge wild dogs, and even panthers. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.280 Panthers and one rumor is shared in huss whispers around 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.280 campfires more than all the others. Today, we're going to 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.720 look at four mysterious cases from the Victorian High Country, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.280 specifically in the area in and around One and Gata, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.319 and we're going to delve into the true story of 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.240 the button Man. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:55.960 The button Man, The button Man, the button Man. Now 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.599 you did that. I didn't look into this because you 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.480 did message me to say do you know about the 0:10:59.520 --> 0:10:59.960 button Man? 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.240 It doesn't sound threatening, but wow, the button man. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.079 Do you want to say what you were thinking of 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:08.920 when well, when you said one again. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.320 Are you thinking? Girl? And Carol clay Les, we'll get 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:11.520 to that. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.079 And that's why I gasped, because I was like, we 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.920 have to be careful because it's now been his conviction 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:18.640 has been quashed. 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.160 We're going to mention it, okay, because it happened in 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.079 one in Gata Valley. Yes, okay. So in twenty seventeen, 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.120 a wildlife photographer spent several days in the high country. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.480 The area is really well known for amazing fauna like 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.600 wedge tailed eagles, wombats, ere kidners and many different types 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:34.560 of Australian parrots. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.160 You're a little bit obsessed with birds today. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.640 I'm just going to put that out birds than forgift. 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.679 The photographer had a successful trip, enjoyed spending his time 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.599 alone in the bush, and on his return home he 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.440 started downloading images from his camera. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:48.120 Good for him. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.280 In the middle of a download was an image which 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:51.319 made his blood wrung. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.560 Hold the photo of digs running in the bush. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.880 It was a photo of the inside of his tent, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.920 captured with the glare of the camera flash. The pick 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:05.000 showed him sleeping peacefully, what pucked into his sleeping bag 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.600 and completely unaware of the presence of another person. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.120 Oh god, that is terrified. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.880 The man knew he had gone to sleep with his 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.760 camera hanging right next to his pillow. 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:16.679 Oh my god. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.120 Whoever took the photo had silently entered the tin, picked 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.040 up the camera, taken the shot, and then put the 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:24.800 camera back without being noticed. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.840 That is awful, so terrifying. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.000 Yep. The photographer posted the photo to read it, asking 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.480 if anyone could help solve this mystery. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.920 And you know what, Reddit are always fun, the best 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:39.360 place to go. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.599 Amongst the comments and helpful suggestions like a panther or 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.640 a yowie, there was one reply which really stuck out. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.120 The people that were saying it was probably a yowii 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:49.760 that took the photo. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.319 That is helpful, That is super helpful. It might have 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:54.840 been a panther. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.600 Yeah, yeah, someone had to have constructed the yowi first. Ye, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:58.880 beautiful photo. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.160 So there was one reply with really struck out. You 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.120 met the button man. Consider self lucky he was in 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:04.920 playful mood. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:06.839 What what? 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.400 Who the hell is this button man? 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.320 The button Man is not a legend, he's not folklore, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.480 but he's an actual man now in his seventies who's 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.199 known to police. Police have confirmed that they have interviewed 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.800 him on two occasions. He has never been a suspect 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.440 in any high country cases, and the police have been 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.280 at pains to explain that he has no criminal record, 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.960 but the rumors of his exploits persist. 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.160 I don't like this button I like this button Man. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.640 We're going to come back to the button Man soon, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.000 but first we're going to look at some of the 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.640 mysteries of the Victorian High Country. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.400 I'm scared the button Man's just lurking in the background 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.240 while you're talking about all this. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.600 Yeah, I don't like the button We each live on our. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:50.160 Own and a long way from here, the one and 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.600 Gate of Valley is a long way. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:52.280 That's true. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.200 The button Man travel to ask a lot of birds. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:55.200 In this. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.480 Warren Meyer disappeared on Easter Sunday two thousand and eight. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.680 He was a fifty seven year old experienced hunter and bushman. 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.480 He set off from dom Dom Saddle intending to go 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.760 on a four hour bushwalk. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.520 Dom Dom Saddle's a great place. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.040 Yeah. He was carrying a phone, a GPS, additional food 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.600 and water. He had set a time with his wife 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.160 to meet her for a celebratory drink after the hike, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.280 but he never made it to the meeting place and 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:23.120 he never came home. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:23.760 Oh God. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.880 Searchers started immediately. His car was found exactly where it 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.320 should have been. During the police search, they stumbled upon 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.160 a commercial marijuana crop hidden in the dense bush. Niece 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.400 campers who were questioned consistently mentioned hearing something that sounded 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.240 like automatic gunfire echoing through the bush, not a sound 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.280 normally associated with camping or hunting. Police had suspicions that 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.840 Warren may have also stumbled into the crop, and before 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.200 he could leave or explain himself, he was shot. Warren 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.680 Meier's body has never been found. Wow In twenty eleven, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.720 David Prudeaux missing on June the fifth. David was the 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.120 governor of bow And Prison, a high security prison in 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.320 Lara and needs Long. David was an experienced deer hunter 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.160 and had set out into the high country along Blackspur 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.800 Track at around seven am. He was dropped off by 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.800 his brother in law, who would be hunting in a 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.080 different area close by. Then there was nothing oh. David 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.800 and his brother in law had agreed to regular radio checkings. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.800 When the first two did not come, David's brother in 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.040 law assumed that he was on deer stalk and he 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.160 would reply once the stalk was over. But he never responded. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.600 Dear stalk like dear John, like when you write a letter. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:41.880 Exactly, dear dear, you're dying. Oh no, oh, dear dear. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.640 In fact, I've proably got no idea where this guy is. 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.720 David's out into the high country had taken him through 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.720 an area the locals called the Crossroads several major bush 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.280 racks bush tracks meet at the cross roads. It's a 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.200 high point in the wan and Gata Valley and there's 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.640 a phone tower which many camp has taken advantage of 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.480 to checking. The crossroads are also well known to be 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.200 close to the area of the Button Man's camp and 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:16.520 the area that he claims is his territory. Rumours say 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.000 that the hermit has established a camp in a cave nearby. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.400 He uses the high vantage point to watch the comings 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.080 and goings of people in his bushland. The button Man 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.760 is said to pay particular attention to hunters, watching and 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.800 sometimes tracking them while they track animals, making sure that 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.400 they treat the native land and animals with respect. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.080 Several feelings now about the button Man. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.640 No, I don't think he's treating people with respect. He's 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.000 taking photo of them in their sleep. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.280 Yeah, it's for animals. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.240 Several hunters of told tales of sitting around their campfires 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:53.920 and the button Man suddenly just being there. Approach. He's 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.120 just suddenly standing at the camp. He's made of buttons, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.720 rolls on in, He'll sit down at the fire on 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.120 it and questioned the hunt has never really really revealing 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.080 anything about himself, then, he will stand and silently disappeared 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:07.560 back into them. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.440 Oh my god, terrifying. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.520 I hate this story now about that that image of 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.639 Homer's him. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.600 But back to David Day, the missing governor of Bow 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.400 in prison. Search has covered many square kilometers around where 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.280 David had been known to be hunting. They searched as 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.240 winter was coming on, several times through the snowfall, and 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.520 again after spring thought the snow, but found no trace 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.199 of David. There were several conspiracy theories about what might 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.320 have happened to David. Less than a year earlier, Carl 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.080 Williams was killed in Bowing on David's watch, and some 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.840 people thought this could be a revenge killing. Wow. Other 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.120 theories were that David had surprised a pack of wild 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.920 dogs and a bit attacked, or that he'd been killed 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.000 by the high country panther. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.560 Diggs would never do that, You would never do that. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.040 For years, people have believed and sometimes provided alleged proof 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.520 of a panther population in Vitoria's high country. The story 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.600 goes that during World War Two, US soldiers kept big 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.680 cats as mascots on ships and encampments around the world 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.280 as mascots. That fact is actually true, there's many photographs 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.480 of US soldiers with large cats as their mascots in 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.320 the encampments. But the story continues that at the end 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.320 of their deployment, rather than take the animals back to 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.000 the US or have the mutinized, the soldiers release them 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.000 into the Australian bush. Then over time they've bred with 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:35.359 feral cats and produced a viable population. WHOA. The story 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.480 is widely unlikely, and even if it was true, the 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:43.400 melanistic gene which turns leopards and jaguar's black is regressive 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:44.600 and non hereditary. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.199 Oh so they would have been bred out by now anyway. 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.520 So if there were panthers or leopards in the bush, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.480 they would more likely be normally colored. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.440 I love I love the idea, though I want to 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:55.679 say normally colored. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.680 What I wanted to say was they'd be notly spotted. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.880 But we're talking about animals that aren't easy to spot. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.719 I've even spotted is in like leopards. 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.760 I didn't want to go for the joke spottish I 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:09.600