WEBVTT - Luke Toki - THE TRAITORS - Reality TV Personality 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.920 TV Reload the podcast past week that light. Welcome TV 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.880 Reload listeners. As you may know, my name is Benjamin 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:10.320 Norris and this is your podcast to get all the 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.799 inside goss on the popular TV shows you may be 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.800 watching from around the world. 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He's here to 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.360 talk about his time on The Traders, which has been 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.160 a brilliant second series for Network ten. I am doing 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.800 this as a bonus episode as I already had Annabelle 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.960 on earlier, but I simply couldn't miss talking to Luke 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.040 as I'm a bit of a superfan. Luke first appeared 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.280 on Australian Survivor in twenty seventeen and won over the 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.200 general public like no other contestant before him. An impressive 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.399 fact about his first appearance on television. He came third 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.560 on that season of Survivor and there was a GoFundMe 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.200 page which was set up by the general public which 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.240 raised over a half a million dollars prize money that 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.200 he narrowly missed out on the show, something that I 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.720 don't really think has ever happened around the world or 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.240 ever since. He reappeared on Australian Survivor in twenty nineteen 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.839 as a champion champions versus contenders. I think that series 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.400 was but his time on that show was also cut 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.880 short when it came to Pia Miranda, who was smart 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.679 enough to realize that Luke going into that final tribal 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.240 council would be way too hot to beat. He went 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.720 on to win Big Brother Vip in twenty twenty one, 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.960 something that has been completely omitted from his resume on 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.600 The Traders this year, And you better believe I'm going 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.920 to ask him a little bit about that today. The 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.280 Traders this season has totally leveled up and watching these 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.840 contestants work as a team to uncover who is a 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.120 Trader and who is a faithful he's simply delicious television. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.240 I will ask Luke about his ability to read a room, 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.040 and we will talk about the possibility of having a 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.839 career as a police investigator. We will unpack the first 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.160 few weeks, then the twists and turns that it came with, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.840 where you will find out how he came to the 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:26.000 conclusion that Ash, Sam and Blake were Traders. Luke will 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.680 talk about his relationship with Annabelle and Sam, and we 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.600 will also get a few names of previous contestants that 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.799 are no longer on the Christmas List. Plus, we will 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.040 get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of The 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.320 Traders season two, which continues Sunday night at seven thirty 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.720 on Network ten and you can now catch up on Tenplate. Anyway, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.960 let's bring Luke into the podcast. I will try not 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.359 to be too much of a fangirl and I hope 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.200 you guys enjoyed this very insightful look at The Traders 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.840 season two. Hi, Luke, Welcome, to TV reload. You know 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.960 what's really funny is that I've nearly had you on 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.359 this podcast three times before this, so this is great 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:01.200 to finally chat to you. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.480 Yeah. I don't know why I've missed you so many times, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:05.920 but it's good to finally Yeah. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.280 You know, shoot it, I have to disclose I was 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.040 talking about you. I'd been doing some of these exit 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.600 interviews for the Traders, and I've been saying to everyone, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.280 why didn't you get rid of Luke asap? 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.200 Nah? But it's you can't trust me. But the thing is, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.760 I'm too much fun to be around, so you can 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.440 always get me at a later stage. And you know what, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.079 as well, is I'm actually a good friend in these games. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:34.120 If you find that every single show, I actually will 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.560 protect my friends to the death. As much as I'm 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.320 too scary to be around, it's better for you to 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.720 have me on my team than to be against me. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.640 That's the reason why I would have gotten rid of 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.760 you straight away. I think the longer you were in 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.280 there in any game, I'd be like, we need to 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.600 get rid of him straight away because he will develop 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.560 better friendships than me, and I will love him and 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.200 I'll probably self a victim. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.120 Oh my god, that's so funny. It seems to me 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.040 like that way, you know they do say so it's 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.840 like socially, you can't get along with everyone, and you're 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.840 going to find those little cracks and people that dislike 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.360 each other. But yeah, and I do exploit them as 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.720 much as possible because if it benefits my game. The 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.720 ultimate goal is to win, right, come home without two 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.080 hundred and fifty thousand, that big briefcase full of bars, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.040 and as you're right, if you give me enough time 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.000 to get my claws into the game, good luck trying 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:26.679 to get me out. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.720 I know it drives me wild on reality shows because 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.320 I can always pick the person that's you. Even when 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.279 they brought Big Brother back, I was like, why would 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.440 they leave Reggie in there at all? Like I said, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.679 I know, she's a sweet, lovely fish and chip shop lady, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.680 but get rid of her asap because the longer she's 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.960 in here, the less chance you're ever going to get 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:44.360 to get. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.400 Rid of her. Exactly. It really became with that situation 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.880 with reg It was like you can just see that 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.200 people just wanted her to win. I think that, you know, 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.000 these shows, you do fine. Sometimes these seasons. There's people 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.560 in there that completely forget that they are in there 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.520 to win for themselves and not for the person that 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.080 potentially sometimes is manipulating them even you know, because they 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.480 just see what they see on face value. But there 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.480 might be one person that's playing a game and the 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.520 others just purely relying on their emotions and how they feel. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.920 Where the best players they have no emotion. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.000 I'm ruthless because, like I will work out who I 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.560 can't beat, who I like, and who I don't like. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.400 Yeah, well it's like chess, right, Some people play the 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.080 game like chess, and each other person or character in 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.760 the game is a chess piece. That's how I play, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.920 and we move around. Don't get me wrong. You do 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.160 create bonds and you do create friendships, but that has 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.400 to come second if you are have any choice or 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.720 any chance of wanting to actually win two hundred and 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.919 fifty thousand dollars. And we've seen last year on The 0:05:54.960 --> 0:06:00.400 Traders just how ruthless, how the emotional dammy that you 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.960 can put on someone will always come second to winning. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.160 And that's what the TV show wants, So you give them, 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.320 give the fans what. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.320 I have a theory that you know, when you're in 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.520 a show. Maybe this works more for Survivor than it 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.320 does for the Traders. But do you feel like, if 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.600 you're a noisy, entertaining player, just go hard with that 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.800 because you will somehow be protected. Maybe not my producers, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.640 because that's probably not the right way to look at it. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.120 But you know, do you feel like by being an 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.680 outrageous player, you get more screen time and they can't 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:32.480 afford to lose you. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.240 Like, definitely more screen time, But I don't think the 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.760 afford to lose you situation. I think it's just sometimes 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.039 it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I feel like 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.680 if I got voted out my first season Survivor, as 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.960 I said, and in the first three or four episodes, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.960 I would have just been the loud mouth, goofy guy 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.240 that didn't know how to play the game. But over time, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.920 because you last long and you go further than they 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.000 can actually build off your character and your personality and 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.719 get a bit of depth to you. But someone like 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.600 Angelica Elias, you know, paid and all these players that 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.640 you've only just first seen firsthand, we really never got 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.560 to witness anything out of them. You never got to 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:22.280 see the character development or the real person underneath, and 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.640 how strategic some of those guys will be. You just 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.680 got to see that they are erratic when their name 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.040 got thrown out and next minute they're gone. For instance 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.520 Paid and if he didn't get murdered and he stuck 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.800 with me for some longer time, he could have been 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.960 the Annabelle. But you just didn't get that showing. And 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.640 you know, for instance, with me, everyone already knows from 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.640 watching my last show, so there's no character development really 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.320 needed with me already come with like the resume, would 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.360 you say? You know, but like in saying that, that's 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.680 where you've got to have a shot. And that's where 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.640 the craziness comes into, because it's sometimes better to have 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.480 a crazy three or four episodes and get voted out, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.880 to sit down with the family and watch it every 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.320 night for three or four episodes and you're not even 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.200 in the show and then you're eliminated. So and that's why, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.520 that's why sometimes my timing can be off, because I 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.040 know that with this show, Me and Animal, like throwing 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.840 shade to Sam and Blake, it was like, yeah, maybe, say, 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.920 for instance, if I didn't protect Animal, I might have 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.640 gone a bit further, But you know what if they 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.840 recruited me that night because they knew there was no 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.480 other way. I get another episode in the game, and 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.760 I've also declared who they are, and for instance, I 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.920 could have survived the next one, and then I go 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.760 on to win, and everyone's going to be like, oh 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.840 my god, what an absolute crazy game. So you kind 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.760 of you look at the as you said, like you're 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.480 going to go all in sometimes and I hope for 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.600 the best and I think I will always And this 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.880 is in real life and external in the games and stuff, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:59.080 is always have your buddies back, even if it costs 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.079 you your game, because because everyone can relate to that. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.480 You know, it's like you and your brother, or you 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.000 and your sister, or some shit's happening to you and 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.679 you want someone. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.320 To stick up for you, whether it be at school, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.800 whether it's whether it's on these shows, whether it's at work. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.200 There's bullies, there's there's people that will always gang up 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.840 sometimes on the weakest, you know, and when that time comes, 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.520 you wish you had that one friend that would go 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.880 into war even they know they're going to get beaten 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.280 up or they're going to get destroyed. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.240 It's like it's just a good human character. That what 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.480 is it? Good winds over evil? You know, yeah, And 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.160 it's something that I've always sucked by and I will 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.160 always you know, good winds over evil eventually and it 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.440 always does. And I watched Survivor right and people write 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.600 down their own brother's names on blood versut water, or 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.200 their own mother's names. And I look at that and 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.240 I'm like, I could never do, you know, how like 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.720 how awkward that would be for the rest of our relationship. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.320 Like We've just got like seventy years to lit and 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.880 I'm going to sit there and listen to my brother 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.959 or mother going, you voted me out, you asshole. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.160 The minute that you turn on that person, audiences will 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.680 never give you the money. You may stay an extra episode, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:18.280 never win. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.320 So it's because we see him in real life breed 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.480 putting yourself over obviously everyone is. It's not a trait 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.800 that we all love, you know, because we see it 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.320 throughout life in every aspect. It's always money and greed 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.960 and power as a human trait as well, where you 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.640 don't put yourself first, you put your friend first, you 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.400 put your partner first, you put your kids first, and 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.960 sometimes it works out and that favor gets repaid later 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.920 on in life, you know, helping that old lady across 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.160 the road, as I say, and then you go to 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.200 a job interview and that old lady is your boss. Coma. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.839 You know, I think your elimination was a waste of 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.160 your paycheck. Though, to be eliminated off Hamra He is 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.920 the opposite of the perfect storm. It is the light 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.319 shower we didn't deserve. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.079 Do you know what's even worse. I got dressed up 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.800 hell nice that morning and I was waiting to go 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.079 down to breakfast, and I was like, oh, well, it 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.760 must be the last person in so I thought there 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.400 was still that small chance they could have recruited me, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.800 And it wasn't until it got closer to the midday 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.480 that's when I realized no longer. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.160 One of the things I was curious about is why 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.760 did they omit you being the winner of Big Brother? 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.439 Because that seemed like a really big part of your 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.040 career and also a huge part of your resume. Did 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.960 they talk to you about why that would not be 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.320 mentioned Big Brother? 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.560 I don't know if wether it just didn't view well 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.320 or the ratings or many people have seen it, but 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.240 that question never came up, So I never ever brought 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.840 up that I had one big brother. So the fact is, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.160 as far as everyone knew, I was just the shit 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.200 Survivor player that's lost twice. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.240 Did you do the research and watch the Traders version 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.560 that had just happened season I think it was either 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.360 the English one or the American one where they had 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.200 two winners from Big Brother come back, And did you 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.960 see that moment where one of the winners was like, Oh, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.000 they're lucky to have me here, they get to meet me, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.480 Like they had this really out of like it was 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.400 just bonkers to see them talk about themselves like that. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.200 I do think my Big Brother background will help me 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:22.600 in here. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.640 I can manipulate everyone. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.719 This is like my chance. 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:31.560 To use their fandom of me to my advantage. So 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:36.480 I'm kind of an icon. What did you think of 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:37.000 that moment? 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.440 Look, I think that people can get caught up in 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.280 the storm of TV being known around the country, and 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.360 even people say, oh, you meet Caitlin, Jenny, You've met 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.560 like you know all these people, And I'm like, yeah, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.400 they're like they're actually really nice and amazing people. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.839 But do you know who's more amazing? My friends in 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:57.560 my life? 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.360 That I've known for the last fifteen years because they 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.640 have seen me come and go and be around do everything, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.480 and we sit down and we laugh and have the 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:10.400 best time ever. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.320 And do you know what, whether they're known or not known, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:14.480 it does not matter. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.160 Like that's where you don't let yourself get swept up 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.040 in these parties and events and people who know people. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.800 You treat people how you would like to be treated. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.160 And as much as Caitlyn Jenner's great, do you know what, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.160 I don't want to hang out with a seventy year 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:27.720 old woman. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.240 I take my grandma out for lunch if I want 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:31.000 to hang out with. 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.960 A seven year old woman, you know, because it's not 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.040 it doesn't interest me, I guess. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:36.559 I mean, you would have been asked to do a 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.600 lot of these shows. I mean, how many shows have 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.559 you been asked to do? Can you reveal anything else? 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:41.000 Not? 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.400 Really? I think The Traders was a perfect little one 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.400 for me to come back to after The Big Brother. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.120 I was like kind of wanted to wrap it up, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.400 felt like, you know, I've done what I wanted to 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.240 do and whatever, because I got the w but like 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.719 you know, like someone that just can't give up their 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.760 career like that footy player making that second run to 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.400 get my fingers and or get my toes wet in 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.160 Traders has been such good. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.679 And to be back with ten and to just like 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.280 you know, just meet. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.520 Everyone, and also to get it right. I think I 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.600 had a good run, like I yeah, like it could 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.840 always be worse than it can always be better, you know, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.960 just the factors this game. I was actually able to 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.240 talk the truth a bit, you know, I was able 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.720 to sit there and say, like, it wasn't about me 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.760 creating lies and stirring the pot and creating massive amount 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.560 of drama. It was more me putting my gut to work, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:37.080 my intuition, my my social strategy, my skills, and you know, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.800 like I guess finding the murderer, finding the bad person. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.040 You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Australian Federal 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.800 Police had reached out to me and wanted me to 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.080 be an undercover cop, or. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.680 I'm surprised that hasn't happened. Your skill set is so ridiculous. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.640 You're so good at reading people. I mean, you probably 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.720 can't even admit to me right now that Asio has 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:58.640 been in contact with you. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, nah. Well that's what I'm saying. It's 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.960 like I definitely probably should start my own firm or something, 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.560 because the proof is in the pudding. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:08.840 Right. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.480 I'm now four seasons in and I've been able to 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.400 and I've got a pretty good record of being able 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.320 to work things out and understand how people are going 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.320 to react to certain things. And like I'm not I'm 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.520 not perfect. I get things wrong, but in an overall 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.320 scheme of things, the Traders is just an example of 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.880 how how well I can put it together, you know, 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.080 and how well I can judge and read a situation. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:38.760 Because even for us to work it out that we 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.400 think a trader has turned on a trader, that's a 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.240 big It's like, you know, it's like it's like three D. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.160 Chess, right, no one. And that's why I said that 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.360 if animal went, can you imagine me trying to explain 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.840 that to everyone, Everyone be like loops off his head 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:55.960 because it is. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.680 It's so everyone likes it to be basic, very easy 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:05.120 to understand and to sit there and explain to someone. Listen, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.400 I think a trader turned on a trader, and then 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.880 they obviously have a recruited like to make themselves look 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.640 like a faithful and I'm doing that by myself. People 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.280 are like, man, this luke's been in this game for 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.680 too long. He's got spiders on his brain. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.280 When you arrived and you realized you're not a trader, 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.120 you're a faithful and you're their day one, what's the 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.480 order of people you assumed were traders? 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:34.040 Okay, so naturally you're in a car with Anabel, Me, Gloria, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.880 and Sam. And when me and Sam actually started chatting 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.880 in the car, you could just tell where the two 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.280 boys we're going to kick it off right. It's like 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.360 if we're in a class of school, if we're playing 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.880 sport together, they'd be like, yeah, we get along very well. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.800 We're very similar in a way, and we're just going 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.280 to have each other's backs. When the actual the nomination 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.360 for the traders were picked, it wasn't until so we 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.400 all got picked. It was hard looking around everyone. But 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.440 once we got out of that room, everyone formed groups 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.760 and we're talking. And I noticed that in that small 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.480 window of knowing Sam, and then the window of being 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.200 touched on the shoulder, and then now he's in group situations, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.800 you could just see him in these small groups and 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.920 he's beside me three or four people, and his demeanor 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.200 changed hugely. It was like he was thinking about how 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.960 he's going to go about being playing this trader position, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.680 because while everyone's. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:35.000 Talking, he's like nodding and like kind of not really 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:35.600 being that. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.000 Funny or engaging in these small convos. And in my head, 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.080 I was like, that's a massive change in personality. And 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.920 then obviously after a day he went back to normal. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.160 He went back to d you know, insane and being 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.920 quite direct. And I've played with a lot of players 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.160 like that that like to tell you what to do. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.919 It's nearly like they have a ulterior motive. They have 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.959 a motive in just saying But it's like, say, for instance, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.120 you live under the rule of your parents, and your 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.280 parents tell you to clean your room or tell you 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.239 to do something, you kind of have to because you 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.840 live under your parents' rule. But as you get older 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.640 and if you are living in a house with a 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.320 friend and he's kind of always you know, the shop 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.639 caller in the house, you can even roll it up 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.679 with two ways. You can always agree with him, or 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.400 you can listen to them and work out what their 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.760 motives are and work out how they're behaving and how 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.919 they can why are they telling you to do this 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.080 and why are they asserting dominance? You can make them 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.760 know that you are unhappy and you disagree, and you 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.879 can have arguments about it whatever, right in front of 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.640 or you can play the game behind the scenes behind 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.520 them until you're knife because you know that, for instance, 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.879 you don't agree what they're doing and you don't agree 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:57.520 what they're saying. 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.240 But I'll go along for now and play dumb. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.520 And be your little sidekick. But in the times right, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.120 I'll get you. And that's kind of how we thought 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:10.000 we'd play, and it had nothing to do with Sam's personality. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.680 I like Sam. I've got all the time in the 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.440 world for Sam. But unfortunately I worked out you're a trader. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.119 You're my best friend is a trader in this game, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.760 and unfortunately I was there to get traders, and I 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.440 had to put that friendship aside and try to get him. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.800 Probably could have waited later, he might have kept me 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.159 in the game. But if he had not kept me 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.520 in the game, then I would have just been another 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.000 dummy on that show. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.800