1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Ninni, Well, Joe, let's talk about the biggest story today. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: All the beaches have been closed, from Bondai to Crenal. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: It's pretty much every beach, inner city beach associated with Sydney. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: After the remains of a diver, a guy who's since 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: died from a shark attack, they can't find. They're looking 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: for human remains, which just gives you an idea of 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: how hectic this thing is. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: There is. 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure lots of you have seen the video that's 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: been shooting around WhatsApp groups. We've decided not to play 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: the audio just out of respect for anyone that might 13 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: know the bloke. It really was one of the most 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: traumatizing videos I've seen in a really long time. It's 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: totally wild that something like that can happen, but that's 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: also a risk I believe that open water swimmers and 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: surfers take when they go into the ocean. 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: You are going in there. 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: With apex predators. And to talk a little bit more 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: about this shark attack, we've got Riley Elliott who joins us. 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: He's got a PhD Marine biology. Would have seen him 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: on the Discovery Channel during Shark Week. Riley, Welcome to 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: Will and Woody. Mate, can you I know you've seen 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: the footage today, can you talk us through what you 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: actually think happened and maybe even why you think it 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: might have happened. It's the first fatal shark attack in 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Sydney since nineteen sixty three, keep in. 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: Mind, yeah, good ass. And then gentlemen, look, firstly, super tragic. 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, no one wants to see this. I'm a surfer, 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm a diver. I got under studying sharks because, to 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: be frankly, most people you're scared of them, and you 32 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: know they're apex predators. They are highly capable, and you know, 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: fortunately for us, you know, they don't show it and 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: you know towards us very often, but when it does happen, 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: it's it's rare, but it's no less tragic. And you know, 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: thought's go out to the family, you know, the people 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: and the rocks who witnessed the horrific thing, which will 38 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: traumatize them. I guarantee it, no doubt. But I think 39 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: what's really important is that people understand is you quite 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: well explained the context of it, you know, like it 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't shy people away from enjoying the ocean because you know, 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm a key with your assie who we live in 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: the sea. We love it. And I think that people 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: need to put in context who don't stop driving cars 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: because of her tragedies there, And this isn't diminished, you 46 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: know what the families and people in that area are 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: going to feel, what the kids and the parents who 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: swim in the area are going to feel for some time. 49 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: But the reason why these things happen is, as he 50 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: accurately pointed out, because we venture into an APEX president's 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: domain and we have to understand that risk. And this 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: person seemed like they swam every day in this area. 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: They obviously had a love for the ocean and oceanary creation, 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: and they likely were well aware of the risks, and 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: they love that sport so much they did it anyway. 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: It's context, you know. But in looking at the area, 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: the fact that this fisherman on the rocks there, it's 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: a big open. The reason why these events happen is 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: when a multitude of variables stack up and they overlap 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: with an animal that may likely be compromised, may be 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: young and learning, may be hungry and diminished in its 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: physique and if you get enough of these variables to 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: stack up, you end up having an action. Yeah, and 64 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: and most of the time, in fact, ninety eight percent 65 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: of the time, great white shocks don't come back. And 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: that was what was really truly incredibly rare but horrific 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: for the people witnessing this. And obviously the tragedy that 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: occurred is the shark did come back, and it came back, 69 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, with intent, and that is incredibly rare. Is 70 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: that is usually a compromised animal. But you know, at 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: the same time, if you don't want to put yourself 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: in the scenario, you know, you can swim in a pool. 73 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: You guys got great ones and audits, or you can 74 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: enjoy the ocean, but in areas that are supervised by lifeguards, 75 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: that are in bays with as flags, where there's drone 76 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: tour veillance. But what is important one I'm giving us 77 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: great context, is that we can't go out and do 78 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: what Australia is famous historically for doing, which is going 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: a man a shark. I'm sorry, and try and get 80 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: the shark, because the odds of that happening are tiny 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: and unjustified. 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: You're preached to the Q you preasure of the choir here, 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: what do I lived in Perth when the whole shark 84 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: hunting thing was going on, and they were rigging up 85 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: bits of bait on these drums five hundred meters from 86 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: the shore, and they sent farmers out to go and 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: shoot juvenile tiger sharks with twenty twos in their head. 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: It was like just the most ridiculous thing you've ever 89 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: seen in your life. And you know, as what he 90 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: said to me before, which is one hundred percent truth, 91 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: the only thing in drum Line does is just bring 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: a shark a whole lot closer to the shore. That's 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: the only thing you're doing there. So look, I agree 94 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: with you. I think it's absolutely ridiculous. We're going to 95 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: talk more with Riley elied Up next. Riley, don't go anywhere. 96 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: Riley is a shark exper you would have seen him 97 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: on Shark Week on the Discovery Channel. He's a surfer, 98 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: a diver who's got a PhD. 99 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: In marine biology. 100 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: And the question I think we all want to know 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: is how can we psychologically get back in the water. 102 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: That'll be a helpful question. 103 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: Will The biggest story of the day is the fact 104 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: that beaches are closed from Cronulla all the way through 105 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: to Bondi. All the inner city beaches of Sydney are 106 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 2: shutwoods after this shark attack, tragically fatal shark attack today. 107 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of you would have seen the 108 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: video this bloke, but can't find the rest of him. Essentially, 109 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: that's how graphic that video is. But we're all about 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: educating on the show. We're all about understanding. You and 111 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: I are both of the view that if you're in 112 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: the water, you are opening yourself to an apex predator. 113 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: And I'm sure this bloke, whoever he was, would have 114 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: known that, otherwise he wouldn't have swum there every single day. 115 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: We've got Riley Elliott who joins us right now. He's 116 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: a surfer, a diver, a shark expert, PhDa Marine biologist. 117 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: You'll see them on Shock Wig on the Discovery Channel. 118 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: Woods and Roll. 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 4: You were just saying during the song, Mate that you 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: had a morning dip with some sharks. 121 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, part of my occupation, but of 122 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: some interest in swimming the sharks, you know, it to 123 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: really take away the demonization that they're just going to 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: eat you, and these kind of events really make it 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: sometimes hard to digest that you can do that. But 126 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, I simmer sharks this afternoon out in the 127 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: water in New Zealand here, and it's because I'm playing 128 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: on their terms. I'm in clear water, I'm underwater with 129 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: a mask on, body language, eye contact, all these things. 130 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: Whereas when I go surfing, I relinquish all of my 131 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: golden rules of some of these sharks because my head 132 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: is above the water, I can't see anything, and you're 133 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: you're ultimately allowing the predator to make a choice. And 134 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: if you overlap that with other variables like fishing and 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: barely and smell and sand and murky water, you increase 136 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: those risks. But what's important is how you move on 137 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and still enjoy yourself in the ocean because these risks 138 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: are very very small. 139 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this. 140 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: I love this chat because this is because for me 141 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: so like earlier today, Raleah. This video flies around a 142 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: few of WhatsApp threads I'm in, and a couple of 143 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: the boys said, you know, one of them posted it 144 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: and said, hey, don't watch if you don't want to 145 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: see a shark attack. And lots of the guys didn't 146 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: watch it. They were like, not unsubscribe. I still want 147 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: to go swimming this summer. That's what you said to me. 148 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: Would you're like, I actually want to go swimming this weekend. 149 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to watch the video. 150 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: We're in Sydney at the moment. We're like, no, we 151 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: actually want to go swimming this weekend. So a great 152 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: question for you, Roley, given that you're swimming with sharks 153 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: all the time, and I know this is such a 154 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: passion of yours, is what should you how should you 155 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: think to yourself or how should you try and think 156 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: about sharks if you are going to go in the 157 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: water to stop this overriding sense of panic and fear 158 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: that a lot of us have when it comes to 159 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: swimming in a place where a shark might be, because 160 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: that's the reality they're out there. 161 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great question. The way you can teachualize it 162 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: between you two is there's a picture. One is you 163 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: don't want to watch the video. You don't want to 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: acknowledge sharks are there. You just want the boogeyman to 165 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: stand to the bed. But if you go and get 166 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: in bed, or I get in the ocean, you're going 167 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: in there with naivity. And you really got to accept 168 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: that you shouldn't go skiing in the back country if 169 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: you don't know what avalanches are. That's the majority of us, 170 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: and to be frank, we get away with it because 171 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: we go knee deep and we stay within the flags. 172 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: Because the ocean, to be honest, is more dangerous for 173 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: drowning than sharks that generally control that aspect. If you 174 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: want to be aware of it, like I professionally and 175 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: occupationally become. It makes it hard to surf. I stop 176 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: surfing in South Africa because I didn't want to take 177 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the risk, but I would rather have the information to 178 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: make my own decisions on what risks I'm willing to take. 179 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: And that is the same as going back country and 180 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: knowing the avalanche factor. That the important part here is 181 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: we can't continue to walk into the wild with naivety 182 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: and not expect things to surprise us. The best way 183 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: is an old just power and New South Wales to 184 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: be frank is leading it in Australia's fire shark mitigation 185 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: with really my drum lines, drone surveillance catching and tagging 186 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: great whites. So we don't just go, oh, sorry, you 187 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: walked into where great whites are? We go This is 188 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: where they move, This is where they're sorry what they're doing. 189 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: Ry, Sorry, just to just to because you've brushed over 190 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: this and we had to chat. So you've been in 191 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: the water tagging the great whites in New Southwest. 192 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: You've been helping out with that. 193 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Well, I got to join dother Paul Butcher in the 194 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: New South Wales fisheries on this my drum line program 195 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: where they catch these were juvenile great whites and then 196 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: a great whites and tag them so that instead of 197 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: shooting them in the head and learning nothing, they tag 198 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: them and then they have smart boys that can send 199 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: off alerts to lifeguards that for white sharks in the vicinity, 200 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: and that's really easier to learn about them. 201 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: That's brilliant, mate. But back to this. 202 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: You you tag great white sharks, so you you you 203 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: jump in the water with a great white and you 204 00:09:58,640 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: tag it. 205 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: How can you talk me through how that works? 206 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: Well, you can do that. We've done that in certain locations. 207 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: This was a bit more on the boat because you 208 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: know actually allowed to someone. We go right to that area, 209 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,599 Speaker 1: so we catch them on the smart drum lines. You 210 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: lash into the side of the boat and you put 211 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: a tag on their door. 212 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: Are you scared of them at all? Like when you're 213 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: in the water with them like that. 214 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Though, Well, when you're trying to intentionally work with sharks, 215 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: you're going in there with a goal and a set 216 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: of rules and some experience, you know, obviously you're not 217 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: just diving in. And that's what I say, Like when 218 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: I go surfing, I'm scared of sharks. And I think 219 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: it's important for people to realize, Yeah, it's okay to 220 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: be afraid of an apex predator. You'd be naive to 221 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: go play tennis and the savannahs and not be afraid 222 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: of lions, you know. But it's how we react to 223 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: that fear which is important, and that that should not 224 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: be through malice. We've seen historically that does nothing to 225 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: improve scenarios. Shark nets aren't sensors. They're just killing devices 226 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: for everything in the sea, and we're slowly but surely 227 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: in there where. The more we learn about sharks, the 228 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: more you can make your own educated decisions based on 229 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: the risks you're willing to take. 230 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: That's the underline message that Riley Elliott is. 231 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: Giving us today. 232 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 2: If you want to go and follow Riley on Instagram, 233 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: follow him at at the life of Riley Enz. I'm 234 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: sure you'll see him at Shark Week on Discovery Channel. Again, Riley, 235 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: honestly eye opening chat with you, mate, And I think 236 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: in the wake of something as tragic as has happened 237 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: today and for everyone that's seen the video and the 238 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: amount of fear that spikes in so many of us, 239 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: to leave us with the message of go and learn 240 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: more as opposed to be afraid, I think is a 241 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: really great undertone. 242 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: He's also a very good looking rooster if you go 243 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: onto his Instagram. Yeah, well done, Rileigh, well done. 244 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: He's having me and look all the thoughts for the 245 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: people who are in that area, that people, and of 246 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: course for the family. But look, we love to see 247 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: don't be afraid of that. This is incredibly rare, all 248 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: though tragic, but look, life's too sure and to go 249 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: do what you like doing. 250 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Riley Elliott joining us here on 251 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: Will and Woody in the wake of that shark attack 252 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: in Sydney. I think the beach is close all up 253 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: and down in Sydney today. But yeah, the underlying message 254 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: they're going educate yourself and know that it's not it's 255 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: okay to be afraid of these things, but the way 256 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: through is certainly education. Here more of the Boys on 257 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: the full podcast just scroll up.