1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. My name is Chloe Dalton. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and because 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: I have commitment issues, I've played two other sports at 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: professional level. The last two seasons, I've played for Carlton 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: in the AFLW and prior to that, played for the 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Sydney Uni Flames in the Women's National Basketball League. I'm 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: currently training full time with the Australian rugby sevens team 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: in preparation for the now Tokyo twenty twenty one Olympics. 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do is to head 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: down to the beach, grab a coffee and the paper, 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: click to the back page and read about sport. I've 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: had enough of only reading stories about men's sport, so 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: I decided to do something about it. One day, female 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: athletes will be recognized by their achievements, not by their gender. 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: Until then, I'm going to chat to and share the 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: stories of epicossy female athletes. This episode is brought to 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: you by Workplace Law. The team at Workplace Law are 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: incredible supporters of Australian female athletes navigating through player contracts 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: and sponsorship agreements, crisis management and legal representation. Their goal 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: is to ensure that female athletes have access to all 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: of these services, regardless of their financial situation. If you 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: want to find out more about their amazing work, head 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: to Workplace Law dot com dot au. This episode's guest 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: is Australian middle distance runner Jess Hull. Whilst a lot 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: of us have been stuck inside during twenty twenty, Jess 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: has had an incredible running season, breaking the Australian record 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: in both the fifteen hundred meters and the five thousand meters. 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: She's qualified for her first Olympics in Tokyo and is 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: currently a Nike Professional athlete. Jess has a massive future 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: ahead of her. What I love most were her insights 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: about how she focuses on what is happening in the 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: here and now and how she pushes through in moments 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: of wanting to give up. I hope you enjoy it, Jess. 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I'll welcome to the Female Athlete. 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: Projects as Clay, thanks for having me. 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Firstly, welcome home. You've recently been overseas and you've just 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: come home, finished your quarantine and have been back with 38 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: family down in the Gong. How has that been been 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: back home? Oh? 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: It's so nice to come home, even when you're in 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: the go away for a few months, like I'm used 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: to kind of being a way for a lot longer, 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: and maybe given what the world's facing this year, it 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: might have been even nicer to come home. And it's 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: a bit kind of anti climatic when you land in 46 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: Australia and then you're not home yet. That was a 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: bit different this year going into the quarantine, but it 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: was nice to know I was on Australian soil, and 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: even nice to know I was in New South Wales. 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: When you kind of looking at ways to get home, 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: it was like, well, it might be better to go 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: to Brisbane, it might be better to go to path 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 2: But knowing I was in New South Wales and close 54 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: to home was good. 55 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, And how did you go in the two 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: weeks stuck in a hotel room? 57 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: It was different, different way to spend your end of 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: season break. Like usually we would try to do different 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: kind of things that I don't do when I'm in 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: full training, like a bit more like outdoor stuff in 61 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: walking around and spending time on my feet that I 62 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: try not to do in training. So to be confined 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: to the hotel room was different, but that's just twenty 64 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: twenty and quarantine wasn't too bad. I think I got 65 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: through ten days and then I was starting to get 66 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: a bit antsy. But first week was kind of just 67 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: get over jet lag and then try and pass the 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: days and not count them down because that made it 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: feel longer. So just kind of day by day routine 70 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: and got for it. 71 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: And what is the next couple of months? Looking like 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: you've just finished your season, we'll get onto that. You've 73 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: had a pretty incredible season overseas. What does the next 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: couple months look like for you being back home? 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, for at the moment, kind of a little 76 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: unknown because I'm not too sure when I can get 77 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: back to the US to normal training. So I'm planning 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: to be here at least until the new year, and 79 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: then we'll kind of reassess come January. But hopefully I'll 80 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: just get my base work in over the next seven 81 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: weeks or so. So it's a bit of a grind 82 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: when you start from nothing again, but that's the fun part. 83 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: It makes you appreciate the fitness once you're there. So yeah, 84 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: just base training, building the mileage slowly kind of hit 85 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: December and I'll be at my full volume again, full 86 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: intensity in the weight room, and I'll spend about that 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: four weeks being pretty sore and pretty tired until I 88 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: get used to it again. And then January probably either 89 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: go to the US and go to altitude or I'll 90 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: stay here and maybe try and find some altitude out here. 91 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 2: If I can't get back to the US yet, better, 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: we'll just play it by one month at a time. 93 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, what does that altitude training look like and 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: how often do you use that as a form of training. 95 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have actually only been once before. I 96 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: went last year before the World Championships, and I found 97 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: running the fifteen hundred it might not make a difference 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: to your race specifically, but it was the recovery afterwards. 99 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 2: So after the heat, I had about twenty three hours 100 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: until the next round, and I stepped onto the track 101 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: through the next round and didn't even feel like i'd 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: run the day before. So I think it really helped 103 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: with recovery in between rounds for the fifteen and then 104 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: if I'm stepping up to the five next year, I 105 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: think it will actually start to take place in the 106 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: race as well. So yeah, recovery and then hopefully the 107 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: aerobic side as I get longer distances. 108 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. Where do you look to go in 109 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: Australia if you're going to do altitude training? 110 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there is a couple of sports Balls Creek 111 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: is the standard running spot, like a lot of athletes 112 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: go up there over Christmas and the New Year period. 113 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: Downside to that is there's no track up there, so 114 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: you're doing a lot off the track and on the trails, 115 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: so not too measurable really thing just like effort based. 116 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: Or there is Cosiosco which you kind of base yourself 117 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: in ginderbayn and there's a turf surface track up there, 118 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: so a bit different. But yeah, there's at least a 119 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: four hundred meters circuit to kind of gauge your fitness off. 120 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: And then if I was in the US, we would 121 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: go to flag Staff. Is the is the plan? 122 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: Going back to when you're a little kid, when was 123 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: it that you first decided that you wanted to be 124 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: a runner. 125 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: I don't know that I decided. I think it found me, 126 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: which is strange, but yeah, I did my primary school 127 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: cross country carnival and I was like the year below 128 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: the girl who had won the previous year and it 129 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: was the same age group though, because you know how 130 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: some people are younger in school, and I finished ahead 131 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: of her and everyone was kind of like, wow, you 132 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: beat like session and session. I was like, yeah, I 133 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: just ran, like I don't think it's that big of 134 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: a deal. And then I went to the Zone Carnival 135 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: and I think I qualified for regionals and that year. 136 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: But kind of thing was, I just started running with 137 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: my dad in the mornings, like he would always run, 138 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 2: and he would sort of let me do two k's 139 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: of his run with him, so he'd take me out 140 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: and then drop me back home and then he'd keep going. 141 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think I just really enjoyed that, 142 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: so we kept going with it. 143 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: That's really cool. And I've read that your dad was 144 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: a big part of your running growing up and he 145 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: was your coach and a really big motivator for you. 146 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: What was that relationship, Like, yeah, he was great. 147 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: He sort of laid the foundation in a lot of 148 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: things for me, like mentality, physically everything. But it's this 149 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: really special relationship and I think the best part now 150 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: is like he just truly understands, like if I say 151 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: I did this in a workout like he can like say, 152 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: like he has good feedback and if I'm struggling a bit, 153 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: like we have the good relationship where like you can 154 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: hear it from your dad that okay, you've got to 155 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: work on something. Yeah, So I think like we have 156 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: a lot. He has a lot of respect for what 157 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: I do, and like I respect his opinions because I 158 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: know he knows what he's talking about. So that Yeah, 159 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: he knows how to play the dad role too, so 160 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: you can separate coach and he can be dad when 161 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: you need dad. 162 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, family knows how to tell it like. It 163 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: is a lot. And in twenty fifteen, you headed over 164 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: to the United States and you went to run in 165 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: college in Oregon. I'm a little bit jealous about this. 166 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: When I grew up playing basketball and I always wanted 167 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: to go over to college and play over there because 168 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: I think the whole experience looks incredible. Did you enjoy 169 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: it and what do you think you got out of 170 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: that experience over there? 171 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, loved it. The NCAA is just crazy for all sports. 172 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: They just do such a good job of kind of 173 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: showing you what it can be like to be a 174 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: professional athlete. While you're at university basically, and I think 175 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: the biggest thing I got over there was how to 176 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: be like part of a team. Team culture is massive 177 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: over there, and even in such an individual sport was 178 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: kind of you're still running for more than yourself because 179 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: even though your result is for your individual race, the 180 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: points add up for the overall team. So I think 181 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: that was kind of what it taught me, was how 182 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: to bring teamness into teaminess into an individual sport. And 183 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: I think I still look for that now, even though 184 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: my teammates now run for different countries and do different 185 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: events and not many of us actually overlap. But you 186 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: can still draw like the positives out of a team 187 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: when you're like, when you look for them. 188 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: What's that dynamic Like when you're training against each other 189 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: as teammates, but then going out on the track and 190 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: you might compete against each other. Is that is that 191 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: tricky sometimes or is that just part of the process 192 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: of being a runner? 193 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's probably what you make it. 194 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: I think for us it's kind of been. I've been 195 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: lucky in that the training partners I've had and myself 196 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 2: I've always kind of seen it in a positive light. 197 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: Is like there's room for all of us at the top, 198 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: and like there is one winner, but there's room for 199 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: everyone to like perform to their best. And I think 200 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: that's kind of how we've always looked at it is 201 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: like we're helping each other get better, and like, if 202 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: I can get dropped by my German training partner, Kokori, 203 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: she is incredible, and I'm like, well, if I the 204 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: closer I am to her, the closer I am to 205 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. And then my other training 206 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: partner Shen and Rabbi. She's an American. She has so 207 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: much experience, and I think our dynamic has been really 208 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: good because she is willing to share her experiences with me. 209 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: But we both know that we're better training together than 210 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: we would be if we were we separate, which was 211 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: kind of the case this year with COVID we had 212 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: to Nike do on the other sides of the world. 213 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Yeah. And so Shannon's thirty six years old 214 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: and a three time Olympians, also a mother who's come 215 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: back to run. It's cool to see the relationship between 216 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: the two of you. What do you think you've learned 217 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: from her as an old athlete about what she can 218 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: teach her in terms of training and your body and 219 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: her mental preparation, which is obviously pretty impressive. 220 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all around athlete. Like she's a plus for 221 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: everything she does. I think the biggest thing every time 222 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: she talks, I feel like an in to write down 223 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 2: what she has said and like stored away for later. 224 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: But no, I just know from Shannon herself, and then 225 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: my coaches around me because they have worked at Shannon 226 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: for eight plus years now, they kind of just say 227 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: like she's always done everything right, and you can see 228 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: it now is at thirty six, she's still running as 229 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: well as she ever has and prioritizing recovery and knowing 230 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: her body even just down to little things like I 231 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: got a bit of it more of an insight this 232 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: summer being together for five plus weeks, so racing in 233 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: between the races and in between the workouts, Like she 234 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: just knows what her body needs to recover, whether that's 235 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: like modifying something in the gym, or like taking the 236 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: run a little bit easier, or knowing when to do 237 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: strides or when to like add in an extra like 238 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: polarity session or something like she just knows how to 239 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: listen to her body and like, obviously she's learned that 240 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: over the years, but she's so willing to kind of share, 241 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: Like she especially coming off the five K and Monaco 242 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: was able to kind of give me a lot more 243 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: insight into why I felt so bad for nine days. Okay, 244 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: I'm doing because she's been there and she's done that, 245 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: and h yeah, she's just willing to give me as 246 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: much advice as she can that she's had along the way. 247 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, I wanted to play you an audio clip 248 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: taking you back to twenty eighteen the NCAAA Championships. I 249 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: think you're in front of a home crowd. 250 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there it goes home and she will be 251 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: forward by this crowd her career, trying to starting to 252 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: pay the price for leading. It's Jessica Hale. Boy would 253 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: just do a lot for Organs that team title hopes. 254 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: I don't see anybody able to cover this boot Nicky Hilt, 255 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: somebody outside trying to get there. She's gonna run out 256 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: of real estate. OL's gonna win it. Hold second. 257 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: So you took out the national title in the fifteen 258 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: hundred meters in front of that home crowd. It's cool 259 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: even just watching your face listening back to that, I'm 260 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: sure it brings back a lot of memories. How did 261 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: that feel winning that one and in front of a 262 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: home crowd as well? 263 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. I think all year is kind 264 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: of like a build up to just like a little 265 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: bit better each race, and then suddenly it was like 266 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: I was in position to maybe contend for the win, 267 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 2: and I think my coach knew it and my dad 268 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: knew it. My family were over there, and both my 269 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: dad and Marisa had kind of just said to me, 270 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: like why not you, Like this is your chance, Like 271 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: you've got as good a chance as Elie Poria Nicki Hilts, 272 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: the women in that field. And I think that was 273 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: the best thing they could have said. They never told 274 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 2: me anything like direct of like you need to sit 275 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: in third or fourth. It was just like why not you? 276 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: So when the opportunity was there, I wasn't afraid to 277 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: take it because they'd kind of opened the door for 278 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: me to kind of if it was there, like make 279 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: the most of it. And then I think I was 280 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: just like so shocked ten meters to go that I 281 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: was still in front. 282 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 283 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: You can see that on my faces. That was I 284 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: was the race because mum and dad were on the 285 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: backstreet in Hayward. It's pretty hysteric that would stadium and 286 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: Dad said he'd watched the camera that was on the 287 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: front bend and he seen my face and he was like, 288 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: at that point I knew you had it because you 289 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 2: were just like, I'm going to do it. 290 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: That's really cool. What is that kind of headspace? Like? 291 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: I had a coach recently say to us. We were 292 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: playing in a semi final for rugby and the pregame 293 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: speech was all about we're playing a pretty big and 294 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: tough opposition. In the pregame speech was You're going to 295 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: go to some dark places in this game, and you've 296 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: got to be able to get yourself out of that 297 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: hole and keep performing for your teammates. What do you find. 298 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure that in your training in particular and in races, 299 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: you probably go to some dark places and you feel 300 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: you're stuck in. I'd love to know what you like, 301 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: what your talk to yourself is like, and if you 302 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: have any any techniques or anything to keep pushing yourself 303 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: at that at that intensity. 304 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, like in the middle of mile repeats or 305 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: something when you just want to stop, or if you've 306 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: gone out a little ambitiously and you just don't quite 307 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. I kind of always just 308 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: go back to my last twelve months has kind of 309 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: been keep your head where your feet are. So if 310 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: you're like that works if you're hurting, and it works 311 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: if you're like feeling okay and you're kind of nervous 312 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: about what's coming. Is just keeping your head way your feeder, 313 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: like that rep, that lap, or wherever you are in 314 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: that point in time. And then I was big this 315 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: year on when I was over in Europe was just 316 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: stay connected and stay composed kind of things. So whether 317 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: that was staying mentally connected to where I was in 318 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: the race or physically hanging on to the pack and 319 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: not getting dropped. Yeah, being connected and keeping my head 320 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: where my feet were. 321 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: I really like that. I feel like for a lot 322 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: of people, it's obviously been a really difficult year, Like 323 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: even taking that out of a small context, like I 324 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: know for me, there's so much anxiety around what's going 325 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: to happen next, Like everything feels very out of our control, 326 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's so easy to get caught up in like 327 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: what's going to happen moving forward? But yeah, I really 328 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: like that keep your head with your feet. 329 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to use that satisfiate too. Yeah, when we 330 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: don't know what next, seek looks like. 331 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool. Now for a quick half time break. 332 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: As a female athlete, it's often difficult to negotiate contracts, 333 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: lock in sponsorship agreements, and navigate different workplace issues. The 334 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: team at Workplace Law provide mentoring and advice when it 335 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: comes to addressing issues that may arise throughout your career. 336 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot from their team and love having 337 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: them on board as proud partners of the Female Athlete Project. 338 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: So after your college career, you've now become a professional 339 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: athlete with Nike. A lot of individual athletes back home 340 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: probably struggle funding wise and things like that, and it's 341 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: so incredible that you have this chance to be an 342 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: athlete and to do what you love. What do you 343 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: think think that enables you to do as a runner 344 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: having that opportunity. 345 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of crazy that I get to do 346 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: this as my job. I'm sure you sere the same 347 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: sometimes to go to all the different parts of the 348 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: world and just like do what we love. So I 349 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: think just being able to be like fully immersed in 350 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: getting the most out of myself is just gonna allow 351 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: me to get to the point where I never look 352 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: back and think what if. Kind of thing like making 353 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: the most of being able to put the work in 354 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: every day as and not seeing it as a job. 355 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: I think if you see it as a job, you 356 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: start to resent it. But seeing it as like an 357 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: option that you get to do this, and now you're 358 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: lucky to be financially supported to do this. It's not 359 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: like I have to do this because someone's paying me 360 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: to do it. 361 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. 362 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 363 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Looking at Tokyo next year, you've qualified for your very 364 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: first Olympics. Congratulations, Thank you. Was that something as a 365 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: kid that you always wanted to achieve or was that 366 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: something that just kind of came along the way. 367 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely think I always wanted to go to 368 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: the Olympics. But I think you kind of are very 369 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: naive when you're like twelve years old and you're like, 370 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: I want to go to the Olympics one day, and 371 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: then you don't realize kind of how much work is 372 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: going to go into it to get you there. So 373 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: I think you're around my late teens you start to 374 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: realize that it's not just an overnight thing. So I 375 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: don't think the dream ever wavered, but just like it took, 376 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: it took a lot more work than you probably think 377 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 2: when you're a little kid that it's going to take. 378 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Yes, And looking at the schedule for Tokyo, the fifteen 379 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: hundred meter and the five k are on the same day. 380 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: So does that mean you then have to obviously make 381 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: a decision between the two events? 382 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I have to make a decision for at 383 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: least for next year, and then I'm hoping over the 384 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: next cycle they won't overlap. They kind of go back 385 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: and forth, so hopefully in twenty twenty four I won't 386 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: have to make a decision, but for next year I will. 387 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And is that something that you leave kind 388 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: of to the last minute, Like what's the pro with 389 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: when you can decide which event you're going for. 390 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: I think with our federation, we'll have until around June 391 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: to decide. If it was this year, it probably would 392 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: have been June because that's when they'll they'll kind of 393 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: put the final selections forward, so I can wait until June. 394 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure Pete will have a fair idea 395 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: early on next year, and his training will direct me 396 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: towards one of them, and then we'll just kind of 397 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: wait and see you once I get some early season 398 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: races in of like what's paid off and what might 399 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: need a little more work and where we're kind of sitting. 400 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very nice. So a segment that I do 401 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: each week on the podcast is a question from my 402 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: grandma and a question from a five year old cool. 403 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: So the first question is from five year old Freda, I. 404 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: Guess, do you ever get this before you do a 405 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: big grace? 406 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: I do. 407 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: I definitely get really nervous. I think back in I 408 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: think my probably my worst nerves ever came when I 409 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: was a kid. I used to be one of the 410 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: kids that stood on the start line, actually like literally 411 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: throwing up because I was nervous. And I think a 412 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: lot of people probably onlooked and were like, how her 413 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: parents allowing her to do this if it makes her 414 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: that stressed. But it was literally like I wanted to 415 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: be there, but I would get so nervous that that 416 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: was the end result. So now I think it's more 417 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: of a celebration. When race day roars around, I definitely 418 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: get nervous. And I get like tense and antsy, But 419 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: nowadays I think I get more like excited to kind 420 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: of show the work that I've done in training. And 421 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: I think that's been a bit of a luxury these 422 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: last few years because I've been young and I haven't 423 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: really been the one that's expected to win. But I 424 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 2: think as I get more established or on the world 425 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: stage and kind of start to like, I have high 426 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: expectations on myself, but if I start to get more 427 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: outside expectations, I expect the nerves are going to be 428 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: something I'm going to have to learn to work through 429 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: again like I did when I was a kid. 430 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: You talk about being a younger runner, what is my 431 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: prime age of a runner? 432 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so on the women's side, like twenty six, twenty seven, 433 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: But nowadays they're seeing so much longevity, Like Shannon's running 434 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: as good as ever at thirty six, so amazing. I'm like, 435 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: if I can be running like that in twelve years time, like, 436 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to be extremely happy with the longevity of 437 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: my career. So I know Pete's idea for me is 438 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four is kind of where we're looking to 439 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: be at our absolute best. So the training for the 440 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: next years is all curated around that, but even twenty 441 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: twenty eight in LA like if I can keep kind 442 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: of on the same track, like I know I can 443 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: be better again in twenty twenty eight, and that'll I'll 444 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: be thirty two then, so we'll be thirty one probably 445 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: when the Games are on. So I don't know. I 446 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: think we're kind of rewriting that right now. Is typically 447 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: it's been twenty six, twenty seven, but now it's kind 448 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: of seeing a push towards like late twenties, early thirties, 449 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: and if you want to be a marathona, Like we 450 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 2: have a Melbourne woman ashen Aede Diver who he's forty 451 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: one or forty two and she is encroaching on the 452 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: Australian record, which is crazy. So yeah, I don't know 453 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: that age is really a limiting factor anymore, which is 454 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: kind of cool. 455 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: That's incredible. It's very impressive to think that people can 456 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: still maintain that level of training and performance at that age. Yeah. 457 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, like their bodies like and sometimes they say now 458 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh wow, I don't know. Sometimes it takes 459 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: me like fifteen twenty minutes to feel okay on a 460 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: run and I'm like, it's going to just start taking 461 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: longer and longer every year and then and that's to 462 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: the point where I have a whole run where I 463 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: just don't get into three at all. 464 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: You never start to feel okay. 465 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: Like everything hurts. 466 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: I like to see the way that it's so planned out, 467 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Like even the fact that you're talking about twenty twenty 468 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: eight is quite incredible. It's obviously a really long way 469 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: to plan. How do you break that goal down? Then, say, 470 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: looking at Tokyo, if you're looking to peak in twenty 471 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: twenty four, what are the goals look like for heading 472 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: into Tokyo for you? 473 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: So if for Tokyo, I think this year the goal 474 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 2: would have been to make the final in whichever event 475 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: I was in. And then with an extra twelve months 476 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: and now this European season behind me, it definitely gets 477 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: a bit higher. Like I want to be a top 478 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: eight finisher in whichever rate, the fifteen or the five, 479 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: and that's not easy and I have a distance at all. 480 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: So I think the extra year kind of gave me 481 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: the experience I need to not just be like, Okay, 482 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: I just want to make the final. It's like no, 483 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: now I want to make the final, and I want 484 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: to have a piece of the final, and then I 485 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: guess coming off the Olympics, the goal is just to 486 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: have as much experience and know that I can compete 487 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: with the women, not just in the Diamond league and 488 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 2: on the one day meets, kind of through the rounds 489 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 2: and learn how to navigate different situations because you might 490 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: get a four ten race that kicks down the last 491 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: four hundred and that hasn't typically been my strength. But 492 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: learning how to race different styles in championship settings and 493 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: keep my calm out there is going to be a 494 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: big piece to having the success later on that we're 495 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: looking for. 496 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, onto the next question from Granny. Hi, Jessica, I 497 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: love walking every day because I love being active and 498 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: close to nature. What do you love about running? 499 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: That's great that she walks every day. 500 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: It's very active. She loves her Yeah. 501 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: I think I just love the fact that you can 502 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: get kind of lost out there, like you just run 503 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: along and it's kind of You always feel better after 504 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: a run than if you do if you didn't get 505 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: out into it. Sometimes you might dread it getting out 506 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: the door, but you will always feel better afterwards. And 507 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: it just always clearsed my mind kind of thing. Whether 508 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: it's like I just don't realize that it's going to 509 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: help me that day or whatnot. But you finish you 510 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: off and you just feel a lot better about yourself 511 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: and having got it done. And I guess, like a 512 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: hard track workout, it's just like that sense of accomplishment 513 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: afterwards that keeps you rolling through the training cycle definitely 514 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: is a big, big piece to it. 515 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice looking at your twenty twenty season, You've had 516 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: an incredible year. 517 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. 518 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: You've broken the Australian records for both the fifteen hundred 519 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: meters and the five k or area records or Australian records. 520 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: So the fifteen hundred was the area and the five 521 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: k was the Australian Yeah. 522 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: And so when we talk area, does that include Oceania area? 523 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, New Zealand or some of the Pacific islands. 524 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And incredible achievement. So for the fifteen 525 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: hundred meter you run it in four minutes point four 526 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: to two, So how you say that? 527 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Four flat forty two. 528 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool, all right, pretty incredible and cool to 529 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: see a lot of Australian athletes getting behind you. As well. 530 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: I saw Sally Peace on Twitter was getting behind you 531 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: and encouraging you to go sub four minutes. But an 532 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: incredible time and an incredible achievement. What did that feel 533 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: like to run that one? 534 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, the fifteen Because it's been my event since I 535 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: was young, Like we started running it at ten at 536 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: Little Athletics. I think I've always kind of circled that one, 537 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: and this year I definitely. I raced it the Prefuntaine 538 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: Classic for the first time last year, and I kind 539 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: of had that penciled as my like, Okay, that's where 540 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: I want to break the Ausy record when it's back 541 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: on my home track. For It's held at the University 542 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: of Oregon each year, and last year it just wasn't 543 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: because they were renovating, so I was like, oh, I'll 544 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: pencil it in this year. Yeah, and then Cravid here 545 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, well that changes all those plans. 546 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: So I think it wasn't necessarily the focus of training 547 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: in COVID, But once we knew that we could get overseas, 548 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 2: I really was gunning to get that one because I 549 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: was like, it's been the longest standing one that I've 550 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: been chasing for and never would effort. I could pick 551 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: up the five k along the way prior, but I 552 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: was very it's awesome to actually do it in Berlin 553 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: in an old Olympic stadium. 554 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, very very cool. I wanted to ask about 555 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: the pacemakers in a raw Yeah, okay, how does how 556 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: do they get who is it? How do they get 557 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: chosen for that role? And yeah, can you explain a 558 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: little bit for people who might not know what they do. 559 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: They kind of run and set the pace and then 560 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: almost just jump off to the inside of the track 561 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: once they've done their job. 562 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it makes it a lot easier for that 563 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: not easier because you're still running the pace, but it 564 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: just takes the thinking out of it for the early 565 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: part of the race. And if it's windy on the 566 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: track or anything, they kind of blocked that for you. 567 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: But so usually the number one seed in the race 568 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: gets to say over the pace and a lot of 569 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: the time they'll have their preferred pacemaker. So Laura in 570 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: Berlin she pacemade. We had a pacemaker for a k 571 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 2: and Laura had been the kind of inform athlete. She's British, well, 572 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: she's actually from Scotland, but she runs the UK because 573 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: it's under one better and she'd been the inform athlete 574 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: and they sourced out a pacemaker to come and race. Well, 575 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: we had a pacer for she was supposed to go 576 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: eight hundred and she went one hundred meters shorter, and 577 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: then it was Hannah's job to take us to a k. 578 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 2: And the kind of the goal is is that if 579 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: they if they can't keep up the pace that's been requested, 580 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: they step off earlier. They would rather them step off 581 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: earlier than run too slow kind of thing, so they 582 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: just set it up for us and take out the thinking. 583 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: So it was interesting in Berlin because Laura being inform athletes, 584 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: she kind of requested something a little different to when 585 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: normally used to is usually want to run is even 586 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: as possible, So the pacemaker's job would be to just run. 587 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: You want to go through eight hundred and to eight 588 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: go sixty four or sixty four for both laps. But 589 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 2: the goal in Berlin was to take the first pacemaker 590 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: through eight hundred into eight two nine, and then she 591 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: wanted to thirty nine at one k, which is a 592 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: big kickdown, running about thirty two seconds per two hundred 593 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: to thirty flat, So that's a big move in the 594 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: middle of a race, so they can really control the 595 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: way the race goes, and if they get get it right, 596 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: it sets it up for a lot of women to 597 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: have a really good day. 598 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: Okay, and so do you know what the pacemaker is 599 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: going to run before the race? Yeah? 600 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's declared to the field. Which I think 601 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 2: is a bit of a piece to the COVID year 602 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: that we've had this year is no races were really 603 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: that tactical. A lot of them were set up to 604 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: run really fast, so you'll get your chance to run 605 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: fast outside of a championship usually, and then when you 606 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: go into a championship like the World cham slor of 607 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: the Olympic Games, there's no pacemakers. So it comes down 608 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 2: to the art of racing. But being able to kind 609 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: of control as much as you can in these like 610 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: one day meets allows you to run really fast. And 611 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: a lot of the pacemakers are women that you would 612 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: race on the circuit yourself normally, but they've just been 613 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: requested to pace that day, so they'll get the job 614 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: to pace, and sometime a week or two later they'll 615 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: usually have the favorite return to them by someone else 616 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: that was in the field. 617 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: Ahha. So it was a like kind of i'll do 618 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: one for you, you do one for me. 619 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so good karma. 620 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah nice, Okay, that's cool. That's cool to know. I 621 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: was very interested about that one. Yeah. I'd love to 622 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: know as a female athlete, whether you've experienced anything yourself 623 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: growing up or as you've become professional and through the 624 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: college experience, whether there's any anything that you've felt, any 625 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: inequalities you've experienced that you felt have have impacted you, 626 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: or of you felt that maybe that doesn't affect you 627 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot as a runner. 628 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in our sport it's a little less 629 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: prevalent because it's quite individual, so it's not and it's 630 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: not subjective. It's like you run the time or you don't, basically, 631 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: And I think I've always had pretty good people around 632 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: me who have kind of been like, you can do 633 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: it too, Like it's the same as like when you 634 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: grow at different rates kind of thing. It's like, don't worry, like, 635 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: just be patient, you'll catch up kind of thing. So 636 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: I've been pretty lucky that way. I think my biggest 637 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: difference was knowing noticing in the NCAA, female coaches weren't 638 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: as prominent, and when they were in place, they probably 639 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: weren't paid to what they were deserving of and it's 640 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: been like a constant battle for them to kind of 641 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: to get to that level. So I think my eyes 642 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: were opened a bit more over in the US than 643 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: what I've seen back here. But now I kind of 644 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: inclued into a bit more like there probably isn't as 645 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: many women in the sport in the leadership roles back 646 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: in Australia as there could be, so hopefully that's going 647 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: to be a generational change. And like you mentioned Sally before, 648 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: like she's just stepped up into a role with Athletics 649 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: Australia and I think that's going to be a big 650 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: one to go forward with. She's got a lot of 651 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: passion and definitely a wealth of experience that I'm hoping 652 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: she can instill on the sport. 653 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing, and I think across a whole range 654 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: of sports, I'm hoping that we see that shift as well. 655 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: And you've seen different athletes come through who've now had 656 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: the chance to be professional, whereas a generation earlier they 657 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: might not have had that chance. So they've got the 658 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: experience and the skills and the knowledge, and then I 659 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: think it'd be great to see them actually have that 660 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to go into that role. 661 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 662 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be really cool. Finishing off, I've 663 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: got three would you rather question for you? 664 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Okay, these are interesting? 665 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: Okay. Number one, would you rather win gold in front 666 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: of a packed stadium or an empty one with only 667 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: your closest family and friends? 668 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: I think definitely an empty one with your family and friends. 669 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 670 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: I definitely think that it's more special when you're sharing 671 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: it with like the people that know how hard you 672 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: work every day, which I was lucky in twenty eighteen 673 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: with everyone in the NCAAs my teammates and my family 674 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: were there, So yeah, I definitely family and friends anyway. 675 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love what you said before about with your 676 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: dad and your coach saying why not you? 677 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 678 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a really cool approach to when you're 679 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: going into your raiss. 680 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't be beaten before you even start, 681 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: so you're got to think you've got a chance. 682 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that. Number two, would you rather have 683 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: to run a fifteen hundred meter in ballet flats or 684 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: ug boots. 685 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: Oh, ballet flats, Ye are right, it's almost barefoot. 686 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's close to barefoot, all right. Final one, 687 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: If you had to run to a soundtrack for the 688 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: rest of your life, would you rather run to death 689 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: Metal or to Friday by Repecable. 690 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: Oh my goodes? Probably if death metal meant that you 691 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: got different songs. Yeah, probably the death Metal. I don't 692 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: know if Friday would get pretty off. 693 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: And get old very quickly. I reckon. Thank you so 694 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: much for coming on today. Where can people find you 695 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: on socials? 696 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: Probably on Instagram is the most active at am and 697 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: that's just Jessica vic two A's hull PHL. 698 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: I've loved having a chat and I've learned heaps as 699 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: well about running and all about the pacemakers, and I 700 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: love your approach to your races, and I can't wait 701 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: to watch you as you continue into Tokyo and then 702 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and twenty twenty eight and beyond. I 703 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: think you've got a really, really exciting future ahead of you. 704 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me Chloe, and it's awesome 705 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: to listen to the podcast. I've learned a lot about 706 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: all the sports that you've interviewed. 707 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: So far. 708 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: Diving in basketball, I didn't know what they were so intricate, 709 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: so it's been cool to learn a bit along the way. 710 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: Oh, thanks so much for listening. I really appreciate that. 711 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: Thanks Ban, thanks so much for listening. We'll catch you 712 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: on the next episode. You can find us on Instagram 713 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: at the Female Athlete Project.