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Speaker 1: Well, this is no comic book movie, Menoche.

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Speaker 2: No, this is a serious, serious movie. It almost say,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those prestige dramas, and it's certainly about

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Speaker 2: a topic that people are probably not going to really

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Speaker 2: flock to the cinema with enthusiasm and excitement right to

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Speaker 2: see another movie that unpacks the various sexual abuse allegations

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Speaker 2: against Harvey Weinstein, the famous Hollywood producer who at one

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Speaker 2: point of time was the King of Hollywood King absolutely,

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Speaker 2: and so many movies, fictional movies where there's some sort

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Speaker 2: of like stereotypical Hollywood producer, it was modeled on Harvey Weinstein,

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Speaker 2: that's how iconic he was. Oscar winning producer of so

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Speaker 2: many famous famous You.

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Speaker 1: Know how many times he was thanked at the oscars.

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Speaker 2: Like after God, the next most common thank you was

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Speaker 2: Harvey weinstein career and sometimes I reckon there were some

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Speaker 2: oscars where he got more thank yous and so. But

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Speaker 2: of course, over the past few years we've become aware

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Speaker 2: of some of the stuff that was going on behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes in his life. These allegations of systematic abuse

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Speaker 2: and sexual harassment of female actors, studio executives, his employees, Mirrormax.

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Speaker 2: And it was all really uncovered and revealed in incredible

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Speaker 2: detail by The New York Times by two journalists Megan

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Speaker 2: Towey and Jodi Canter back in I think twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: It was so they published this explosive report that unearthed

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Speaker 2: all of this stuff. They spoke to a couple of

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Speaker 2: his victims who went on the record. And now just

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Speaker 2: a couple of days later, and I'll come back to this.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days later, Ronan Farrow from The New Yorker,

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Speaker 2: like the New York Times is great rival published an

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Speaker 2: expose as well. It was also based on months and

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Speaker 2: months of extensive investigative reporting, and those two media rate

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Speaker 2: letters and knew that they were competing against each other

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Speaker 2: at the story first and in the end because they

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Speaker 2: both had the story effectively a couple of days apart.

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Speaker 2: They were jointly awarded the Pulitz Surprize that year for

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Speaker 2: their reporting anyway, which is pretty rare the results of

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Speaker 2: Watergate stuff. It kind of kiss started the me Too

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Speaker 2: movement in a massive, massive way and eventually led to

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Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein facing criminal charges in New York. He was

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Speaker 2: convicted in twenty twenty and it was at that point

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Speaker 2: that a Hollywood studio thought, Okay, he's been convicted, we

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Speaker 2: don't have to worry about defamation. Let's make the movie

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Speaker 2: based on this story. And so they haven't made it

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Speaker 2: about Harvey Weinstein, which I think is an important distinction

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Speaker 2: because people might be thinking, Okay, we saw this type

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Speaker 2: of stuff with bombshell. It's not very easy to watch,

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Speaker 2: even though it's important. This instead focuses on the two

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Speaker 2: journalists and how they went about talking to the victims

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Speaker 2: to convince them to go on the record, which at

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Speaker 2: the time was extremely scary.

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Speaker 1: That's the interesting story.

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Speaker 2: That is the interesting yes, right, yeah, And how many

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Speaker 2: women didn't speak up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we start well, there.

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Speaker 2: Could be dozens and dozens potentially who've publicly alleged abuse

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Speaker 2: by Harvey Weinstein but haven't gone on the record and

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Speaker 2: haven't testified in court, and so and so this movie

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Speaker 2: is about that story. It's based on the book written

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Speaker 2: by the two journal lists, and the journalists are played

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Speaker 2: by Kerry Mulligan, who's just absolutely on fire at the moment.

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Speaker 2: She's making some incredible fantastic She was in Promising Young Woman,

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Speaker 2: which is a fictional movie about a similar kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Great great movie and Zoe Kazan, who was in The

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Speaker 2: Big Sick, which was like an underrated kind of indie

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Speaker 2: romcom from a couple of years back that I.

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Speaker 1: Would encourage everybody to check out.

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Speaker 2: So they're playing the two journalists and they do a

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Speaker 2: fantastic job. For me, it's a bit interesting, right, Like

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Speaker 2: it's imagine a plumber watching a movie about plumbing. You

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Speaker 2: kind of would have a sort of a different perspective

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Speaker 2: to the rest of the rest of the audience. And

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Speaker 2: so I look at this as a journalist and I go, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: some of this has clearly been you know, sort of

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Speaker 2: gilded a little bit, pumped up a little bit for

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Speaker 2: dramatic purposes. So you can totally understand that. And a

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Speaker 2: criticism of the film would be that the dialogue is

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Speaker 2: a little bit clunky at times, like it's just not

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Speaker 2: how real people talk. But as directed by Maria Schrader,

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Speaker 2: who did you remember that Netflix mini series Unorthodox Love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's the German.

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Speaker 2: Director of that, which people who have watched that show

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Speaker 2: will know the vibe, right, And so that's a good

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Speaker 2: touchstone for this film. And the other interesting thing the

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Speaker 2: film does that I don't necessarily agree with. Is it

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Speaker 2: kind of disses Ronan Pharaoh's reporting, Like at one point

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Speaker 2: they have a character say, oh, yeah, that Ronan Pharaoh

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Speaker 2: story got killed. It's not running, when you know everybody

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Speaker 2: knows now it did run. So I don't know why

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Speaker 2: they made that creative choice to tell the audience many

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Speaker 2: people who might not know that that Ronan Pharaoh's story

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Speaker 2: never was published.

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Speaker 1: He also made a TV series.

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Speaker 2: And because behind that a very good one. Behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: what people don't realize is the New York Times and

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Speaker 2: The New Yorker have had massive spats in public about

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Speaker 2: these issues and about Runan Pharaoh, writing op eds about

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Speaker 2: each other, going back and forth. So it's actually a

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Speaker 2: bit bit grubby sunk to that. And is it they

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Speaker 2: shared the prize in this yet And that's the thing

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Speaker 2: I think the journalists get on just fine. So it's

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Speaker 2: a bit of a shame that, you know, that has

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Speaker 2: scrept into the film, which I think is a bit unnecessary.

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Speaker 2: But it's all very interesting now because Harvey Weinstein is

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Speaker 2: currently facing more sexual abuse allegations in Los Angeles right now,

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Speaker 2: including an alleged rape of Gavin Newsom's wife, the governor

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Speaker 2: of California, back when she was an aspiring actor back

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Speaker 2: in the nineties. I think it was so. And that's

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Speaker 2: the thing. So it's really interesting to watch this film

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Speaker 2: now knowing what we know, knowing what we see playing out.

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Speaker 2: They're obviously alleged allegations agains Kevin Spacey as well. So

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Speaker 2: there's certainly issues in the entertainment industry that need to

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Speaker 2: be unearthed, and this film, this film shines a spotlight

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Speaker 2: on that. And talking about that, it's a bit like

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Speaker 2: the movie spot.

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking of Spotlight all the way, keep hearing

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Speaker 1: more and more and the leaders well and truly off. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: how many are you giving it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Nothing serious subject matter. Well, it's not quite as

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Speaker 2: good as Spotlight. I will have to say that, which

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Speaker 2: was incredible. That was credible movie. But this is still

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Speaker 2: a very good film. I encourage everybody to watch it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give it three and a half stars.

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Speaker 1: Lost half of stuff dissing round and Farron.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how can you do that?

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Speaker 1: Good on your bed