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Speaker 1: good morning, and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 1: August eleven. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. What happens when you

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Speaker 1: mix golf, Saldi Royalty and a bunch of cash. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into that in today's deep Dive, But first, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: what is making headlines this morning?

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Speaker 3: There was some pretty strong language at the National Press

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Speaker 3: necessary means to achieve reunification with Taiwan. He criticized what

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Speaker 3: he labeled the mostly negative coverage of China in Australian media,

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Opposition leader Peter Dunton has said that the Liberal

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Speaker 1: Party won't attend the government's national Job Summit next month.

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Speaker 1: Treasurer Jim Chalmers accused Dudden of attempting to trash efforts

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Speaker 3: The federal government has decommissioned the COVID Safe Contact Tracing

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Speaker 1: And today's good news is a big win for biodiversity.

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Speaker 1: The CSIRO has said that one hundred and thirty nine

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Speaker 1: Among the new species were thirty four beatles, eleven jumping spiders,

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Speaker 3: Sam I often don't talk about golf for many reasons,

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Speaker 2: But I have I have shown interest in.

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Speaker 3: A story this week because it bridges that divide between

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Speaker 3: our listeners what is this golf tournament that is causing

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's called the Live Liv Golf Tournament, and

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Speaker 1: it's a Saudi backed golf league. It's a private league.

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Speaker 2: So it's backed financially exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's all the money, whether it's paying plays to come

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Speaker 3: Okay, And why are we talking about this specific golf

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Speaker 1: It's hit the headlines today because we're talking about Cam Smith,

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Speaker 1: He also made headlines routinely for having a really cool

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Speaker 3: And so for people that aren't familiar in how this works,

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Speaker 1: So let's say that there was the F one motorcar

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Speaker 3: But that's not the only controversy. Can you set the

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we really have to have a discussion

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Speaker 1: Exactly criticized because of the murder of journalist Jamal Koshogi

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Speaker 3: Okay, so tying that back to golf is the concern

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Speaker 1: Abuses pretty much. And we started to get a little

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Speaker 1: That was in May. Then there was more media attention

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Speaker 5: Can't just add something on the moral dimension as well

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Speaker 5: to anywhere in the world, you wouldn't play if Vladimir

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Speaker 1: A speculation? Not even going to comment on speculation.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to answer that question, Lee, you want

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Speaker 1: Well, remember when I was talking about how there's like

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour, J Monahan talking about his concerns over the

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Speaker 4: Let me be.

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Speaker 2: Clear, I am naive.

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Speaker 6: If this is an arms race, and if the only

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Speaker 6: The PGA Tour in American institution, can't compete with a

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Speaker 1: So the PGA Tour has been pretty scathing and even

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Speaker 3: How many golfers are we talking about that could be

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a PGA tournament taking place this week and

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Speaker 1: eleven golfers are feeling the full effects of their indefinite suspensions.

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Speaker 1: That's the move that the PGA has taken. The eleven

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Speaker 3: All Right, so let's go back to the reason that

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Speaker 1: We yet to see an official confirmation that Cam Smith

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Speaker 2: When we're talking about what's at stake here.

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Speaker 3: There is a lot of money being thrown around, especially

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Speaker 2: What do you actually think about all of this.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not a new problem for sports stars.

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Speaker 1: I think there's also this air around sports stars that

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Speaker 1: It's basically the idea of controversial governments with particular issues

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Speaker 1: and in Saudi Arabia's case, it's actually having a competing

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Speaker 1: Golf is massive, the TV numbers are massive, the event

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Speaker 1: for Saudi Arabia this presents them an opportunity to enter

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Speaker 3: Do you think then, that spectators who are at home

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Speaker 2: I think everything is inherently political.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and I think what's different about sport is that

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and have a sensational day.