WEBVTT - When to walk away, talking divorce with Olivia Rogers 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.800 Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.560 were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:07.600 past and present. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.399 Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:24.560 recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:25.759 to another episode of Life. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:27.520 I'm Cut, I'm Laura, and I'm. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.120 Brittany, and we have a huge episode for you today. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.960 We are speaking with Olivia Rogers. Now Olivia, she was 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.559 Miss Universe Australia. She's an author, she's a speech pathologist, 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.640 she's an overachiever, She's divine. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.120 She has also, though, been in the media quite a 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.800 lot recently, and the reasons for that haven't been around 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.680 her successes or the things that she has created for herself, 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:48.199 of course. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.720 Not because that would be ridiculous. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.239 She has been in the media because of her divorce. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.960 She was married for eight months and it was very 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.880 polarizing the way in which the media spoke about the 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.520 breakdown of her marriage. We wanted to talk to Olivia 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:05.520 about redefining the breakup narrative and also about an article 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.319 that came out last year which dubbed it the micro marriage, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.040 and how she felt about seeing her own experience her 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.679 relationship being talked about in such a negative life. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.640 She also speaks about something pretty important and that is 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.959 surrounding the want and desire to have a baby and 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.080 how maybe that was a bit of a band aid. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.480 To try and fix the relationship. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.000 Well, yeah, not a literal band aid, like a baby 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.080 band aid, but we hear it so much right where 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.920 people think that maybe a marriage will fix a broken relationship, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.320 or having a baby might make the relationship better. And 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.880 the thing I loved about what Olivia spoke about is 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.759 this idea that you might not even realize that you're 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.920 doing it, that they may be the reasons why you 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.679 want something so bad until you're out of the relationship. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.040 A very very honest, raw and open chat. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.800 Now we also speak about something that has made quite 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.960 the stir on Instagram, and that is a post by 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.080 Snazzana and Sam Wood. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.280 Yes, I feel very strongly about that one. And then you, Laura, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.240 have a oh I think it's funny. I don't know 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.720 if I'm hard to laugh. A ridiculously unfortunate story surrounding 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:04.200 your wedding. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:09.519 Yeah, all that and more, let's get into it. Holy duly, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.000 it has been a week. What a wild morning and 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.920 it's only Tuesday. It's nine Monday, Okay, I know, but 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.280 people listening to this are gonna think it's Tuesday and 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.359 that it's confusing for them. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.320 It is Monday morning, nine thirty in the morning when 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.480 we're recording this, and I feel like so much has 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:25.000 already happened. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.200 We've been in hysterics all morning. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.720 There's been boxes of vibrators and Dodos and penis strokers 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:30.560 floating around. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.640 We spoke about it on last week's episode, how no 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.520 one ever sends us things, and then someone brought us 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.280 a vibrator and we were really excited about it. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.560 And now they're coming hot. They're like kidding us in 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.360 the head. They're flying in left, front and center. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.200 Literally everybody is sending us vibrators right now, and we've 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:43.720 had enough. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.440 Keisha's looking at me like we need more. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:45.680 No. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.880 Keisha's like one for you, one for me, one for me, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.800 one for me, one for you, one for me. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.160 Keisha's vibrator collection from being the producer of this show 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:54.840 is out of fucking control. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.160 Now. There is one that came in that was like 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.480 addressed to Ben. It was like, Brittany can take this 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.959 for Ben. I've never seen it before, and I just want. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.400 To ask you. Actually I think I know the answer. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.920 But it's like this little U shape it's called a stroker, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.120 and the penis, I think, lays in it like a. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.880 Little glides on it. Do you know what it looks like? 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:12.639 It'd look like a. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.000 Hot dog, you know, put your frank fit into the 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:16.760 hot dog bun. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:17.840 It's like a little bun hugger. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.480 It's a bun hugger. It's a Frankfurt. Do you know 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.720 what hot dogs? I've got a bones pick. Matty also 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.480 has a cock a bone. He's got a penis too. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:24.480 Why didn't he get a cop ring? 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:25.200 Why don't Why. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.920 Don't he get a it's a hot dog? But my 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.519 question is does matt use that stuff? Because I don't 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.240 feel like he would. Maybe we could do you. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:36.040 Know what I'm picturing. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:37.960 I'm just picturing you laying in bed with a hot 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.320 dog in your hand, and he just has to go 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:40.040 and put it in there. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.840 It's probably a good thing he didn't get sent one. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.000 There's a lot, guys, there is so much to unpack. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.240 Something else that happened before we get into like the 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.880 real nitty gritty of the episode Another life thing I 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.360 wanted to tell you about, Britt. Last night I received 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.960 our full length of our wedding video. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:04.040 Oh that's exciting. Yeah, can I see it? Not yet, Okay. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.240 So Matt and I are laying in bed together. We 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.600 were like so excited with the hot dog, with that 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.640 hot dog. I was just holding it for them. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.000 He was just docked in a hot dog, and I 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.920 was like, now's the time for us to romantically watch 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.080 our wedding video together. So we got given a short 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.000 clip of it last week and I put up on 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:23.599 social media. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.680 This week, we received the long form version of it, 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.440 any of the teaser, the wedding teas. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.000 So we lay down in bed to watch the video 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.640 together and it starts playing and it's like quite a 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.760 beautiful song that starts playing, and then all of a sudden, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.839 in the song is the name of Matt's ex girlfriend. 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.400 What do you mean? I mean like, it's a love 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:44.960 song that has a name in it. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.960 So it's like X name, I love you so much, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.760 X name, I can't live without you X name. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.880 I knew that. I so say it's Sally. It's like Sally, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.200 I can live with them. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:05:03.600 Literally, Sally, You're the one Sallo Ruster sala. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:04.839 Oh my god. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.880 So that's the background, that's the tracking music to your 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.880 wedding video is his ex's name. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.920 It was like a cruel joke. It's like a you 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.400 want candy camera. I thought I was being punked. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.160 So I don't want to say the X whose name 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:20.839 it was, because that's just gonna turn into a Daily 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.359 Mount article. But there it is in this beautiful and 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:25.480 it's a gorgeous video. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.680 It's so well beautifully put together. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.200 We look so happy, and there's the backing track, which 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.560 was I will never love anyone like I love You's name. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.240 Surely it's a stitch up. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.440 No, I was gonna say, surely, that's like just an oversight. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.880 You don't pay. You're paying this. It's not like it's 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.919 just no, yeah, you're paying the videographer. It has to 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.919 have been the biggest oversight. You're gonna have to show me. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:52.680 Obviously you're not gonna play here, but you're gonna have 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.320 to show me. Okay, here's my question though. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.360 If you're a videographer and you're creating a wedding video 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.440 for someone, why would you choose a song that has 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.839 a name of someone who's not in the video, like, 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.560 why would you think that that's a good song to choose. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.360 My name is Laura, his name is Matt, and here 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.120 is a song about Sally and how much Matt loves Sally. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.120 I am gonna have to hear it to make an 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.360 educated opinion. Can we take a more break out and 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:24.560 watch it now? Okay, Oh my god, oh my god. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.480 It is literally that Okay, firstly beautiful video. You look 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.320 very happy and you look like a supermodel. I cannot 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.400 believe this is a like just for you guys playing 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.160 at home, because Laura's never going to play that because 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.880 that would be wild. It's literally like there's only one 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.520 person in the world for me. It's you, Sally, Like 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.640 that's what it is. And I can't wait to be 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.000 with you or forever and if there's no one else 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:52.320 that I can ever hot dog with except you. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.800 I don't want to give too much of the lyrics 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.240 away because they also don't want people to go and 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.919 google the song and then to be able to find. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.040 It out, so I'm gonna pay them all now. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.359 Basically, they're saying like, I'm never going to fall in 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.840 love again after falling in love with you, like that's 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.800 the lyrics. The lyrics are like it's you, like you're 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.560 the only person I'm going to fall in love with, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:08.919 and then he married me. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.480 What it's sane is what it's saying is Laura is 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.360 the prize at the carnival because I didn't get the 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.240 good prize, Like I couldn't win a big teddy bear, 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:19.080 which is you? 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:20.240 So I'm going to take. 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.440 This little skunk. No, I went home with the used 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.440 to showbag instead. No, they're expensive, they're pretty good. Yeah, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.720 and that's the one you pick, So that's fine, right, No, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.240 that is so funny. I hope you're not too upset, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.960 but it's definitely unintentional. I'm going to call it's unintentional. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.120 I okay, I'm not upset. I'm not upset. I definitely 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:37.800 for a minute cut in. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:38.840 I'm not upset. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.320 Guys, I am not upset. You know when someone's upset 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.240 and they're trying to convince you everything's fine. I'm fine, 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:44.920 everything is fine. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.560 I just stopped talking to me because I'm on the verch. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.280 I was laying in bed next to Matt and I 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.600 just looked at him and I was like, did that 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.000 just say what I think it's set, and he looked 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.800 at me and was like, yeah, I think it did. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.720 And I was like, well, this is fucking awkward, isn't it. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.480 Did you laugh though, or were you just bit like 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:01.760 I'm actually upse I. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:06.360 Haven't laughed yet, but I mean I did. Now that's nice. Okay. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.200 Well, while we're on the love train, whether it is 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.680 loving your ex'es or your current partner, your current husband. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.160 Your wife, we need to do a big. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.640 Congratulations, a big shout out to our good friend Rebel Wilson, 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:17.600 who just got. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.679 Engaged this morning. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.200 Yeah, she kept that exclusive from us, didn't she. Yeah, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.000 she could have dropped it right, She could have sent 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.080 me in. I could have been there, like no, I 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.480 was in Disneyland. I don't know the details. I haven't 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.200 spoken to her. I've left her a voice message, but 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.280 it's really sweet and it's funny because it was only 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.880 ten days ago. Now. We did an episode where we're 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.360 talking about how quickly things are moving and how life can. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.440 Change so much, and then a week later it's changed again. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.120 So it's so nice to see. We love love. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.200 That's the whole reason why we started this podcast, and 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:43.839 we talk about it. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.520 Ex boyfriends. Yeah, but you know. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.640 What, mostly because we love love, all right, there's something 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.439 else that's happened in the media world, in the influence 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.520 of world this week, and we wanted to talk about 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.120 it because we had some polarizing feels about this one. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.400 And now let me say this first, we kind of 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.040 had a bit of a fight over whether we should 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.480 talk about this. Britt you wanted to speak about I 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.560 like that. I'm bread combing what it is. Basically, it's 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.640 Sam and s Nazana have been in the news recently 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.080 because Da Da Dah. Snazana posted a photo on Valentine's 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.880 Day of their very expensive cars and said him and 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.079 her staying in tonight or something of that effect. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.200 I think the reason we decided to talk about this 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.800 is for me, it made me quite angry. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.600 And what made me angry is not Snazzana's post. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.480 It's not the fact that they're worth seventy million dollars congratulations, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.760 that's amazing. What made me a bit upset and angry 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.240 is the response from the media and from other people 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.200 over the fact that they have made money and they 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.560 are successful. Now, what we're talking about is on Valentine's Days, 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.800 Nazana put a photo up of some beautiful vehicles that 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.600 she owns out the front of a beautiful house. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.839 It was a black Mercedes Benz G Class very nice, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.760 and a white Porsche. I thought it was a king, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.520 but apparently it's not. That it's something else and a word. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:06.600 I think it's a push. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.120 Well, we don't know because we don't have them. I 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.679 think it's like a kror kr yep. Really we are 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.320 well into the cargage. Yeah, this morning Laura was like, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.640 what's a king? I was like, what will never own? 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.040 It's like, yeah, we're never gonna own it, okay, But 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.120 just to give you like the information on that, like 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.839 on the types of cars that they are. So the 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.920 Mercedes Benz G Class costs around two hundred and fifty 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.199 thousand dollars, right, and then the Porsche costs around three 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.880 hundred and forty thousand dollars. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.680 So beautiful luxury cars totally. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.440 So the combined total of wealth in those two cars 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.640 in that one photo was over six hundred and fifty 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.960 thousand dollars. When you think about it, the average income 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.920 of Australians is ninety thousand dollars, So you know, that's 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.320 six years of someone's entire working ability tied up just 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:54.800 in cars. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.560 So off the back of this photo of the luxury 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:57.920 cars out in the front of what looks like a 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.480 really lovely house, they were receiving some hate and some 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.400 backlash and negativity on the photos. There was a Daily 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.040 Mail article about it, because of course there was a 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.800 Daily Male article about it. But now I feel like 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.679 it's going to just be this thing that's attached to them. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.079 We've spoken about it before with Zoe Foster Blake. When 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.079 a woman becomes very successful, all of a sudden, everything 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.560 is about what they're wearing, how much money they've got. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:18.199 What they're doing. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:19.960 Has nothing to do with that, right, The articles have 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.559 nothing to do with it. But this article that has come 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.000 out after this. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.000 Photo, it's a photo. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.400 So Nazana just has a photo, a selfie in the 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.840 mirror in the bathroom. There's nothing in the bathroom like 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.920 it's just a clean bathroom, and it's a photo of 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.120 her just she just looks hot. And the headline is 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.120 Sam Wood's wife's Nazana uses ninety two dollar designer soap 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.920 after sparking backlash for humble brag posts about her luxury cars, 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.200 and then later on in the article they talk about 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.480 how much the perfume is worth, because all that's in 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.600 this photo is in at the perfume and the soap, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.679 So they've talked in the headline about how much the 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.319 soap is. They've talked in the article about how much 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.400 the perfume is. But the thing that really grinds my 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.079 gears is that the headline, in big bold writings says, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.880 did you forget that you used to be a single mum? 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.360 I'm pretty sure you don't ever forget your past and 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.600 moments like that, especially if there have been times of struggling, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.959 which I'm making an assumption. I don't know Snazanna world, 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.200 but I'm assuming when you're a single mom, there's. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:13.839 Always going to be tough moments. I don't think that's 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.480 something that you would forget. I guess. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.080 One of the things that I have a real issue 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:21.040 with is how the media once a woman becomes successful 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.199 and is in the category of having so much money 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.680 that the wealth is almost unbelievable. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.600 I'm talking in the millions and millions of dollars. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.640 The types of articles that are written are written in 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.480 a way to characterize them as though they're bad people 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.560 because they have a lot of money, like look at 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.560 them step out in their Gucci shoes, and then we 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.800 like to kind of itemize the amount of money that 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.720 someone has spent on clothing, which I think it tries 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.280 to imply that that person is vacuous or that they're materialistic, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.920 and it creates a persona, It creates a character around 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.400 that person. Whereas Sam and Snazzana have always been super relatable, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.000 super likable people, and I think that people have followed 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.360 them from their bachelor journey where's Aa was a single mum, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.480 Sam was a guy who had a fitness thing you 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.240 know that he was doing, and they have evolved into 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.680 this immense wealth, both incredibly lovely people, both people who 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.840 I think that their general followers have followed and feel 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.600 like they can relate to because maybe they saw a 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.840 bit of themselves in them, or they saw their family 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.640 as being aspirational. Now, I think that there's two parts 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.360 of this conversation that's pretty interesting. One is the way 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.800 that media like to latch onto something ie money, and 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.680 create that sort of characterization that I just mentioned. But 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.280 also I think the tides have changed with social media. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.400 People don't want to look at people's immense wealth like 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:38.920 I saw the post because I know that it was 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.079 Valentine's dafflicted past it and for a second I was 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:42.520 kind of like, oh wow, that's. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:43.719 I mean, I don't even know what that car is. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:44.960 I don't know how to say the name. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.360 But that pepper that looks expensive, and I think reason 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.760 why it makes people get their guard up about it 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.240 some people and I'm playing Devil's advocate here, Increasingly people 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.120 don't want to see on Instagram things that make them 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.480 feel bad. They want to see on Instagram things that 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.079 they relate to. Going to say, it doesn't mean that 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.520 we should be up in arms about it. What you 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.480 should do is you should just unfollow and move on. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.479 But I do understand why there are some people who 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.679 feel as though and it comes from a place of 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.720 not having, It comes from a place of jealousy, It 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.920 comes from a place of torp poppy syndrome. But I 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.520 understand why that post maybe miss the mark in this 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:20.480 current climate. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.560 I understand too, But I disagree with you when you 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.040 say people don't want to see that wealth. I think 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.920 the opposite. People are obsessed with people that live a 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.480 life they can't imagine. That's why the Kardashians are the 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.520 most followed people in the world. They're all billionaires, three 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.080 of the four billionaires. True, we love to see how 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.320 the other half live. But the problem with this is 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:45.960 Snazana and Sam's followers weren't those people. But if Snazana 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.920 and Sam are evolving and they do want to start 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.880 to post these kind of things and the luxury things, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.760 that is so okay. All that means is their audience 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:54.440 can change. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.960 What you mean is that their followers weren't following them 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.960 for that content. They've isolated their followers because their follower 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.600 are there for like the relatable family posts, not for 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:03.960 the west super wealthy posts. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.360 Yes, they got to tap into the Kardashian space, but. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.080 I think that's okay. I think that this is what 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.360 happens you at the end of the day. Us as 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.720 a consumer, we're in charge if you want to press 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.400 that follow or that unfollowed button. I don't like the 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.680 fact that like people then feel the need to go 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.680 and pile on and bombard and abuse and bully someone. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.600 There is absolutely no need for it. And some of 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.920 the comments that were on this post, like this is 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.520 just she just posted a photo of her cars. At 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.560 the end of the day, Some of the comments were, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.320 you were a No. One single mother that joined the 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.440 Bachelor TV show, Stay grounded. Someone else said, can't stand 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.760 shelf posts like this. If I wanted posts like this, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.600 I'd follow the Kardashians. Geez, money changes people. Someone else said, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.280 good to see your husband's fortune, Now whar's yours? 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.920 Wow? I just think and like, there's a. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.760 Multitude me off as a mum because I'm like, the 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.000 sacrifices she has made to raise their children has allowed 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:55.680 for that fortune. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.520 Do not get me started on that conversation. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.320 A lot of the fitness posts have been back after pregnancy, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.640 getting the body back to your strength and fitness, which 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:04.840 is Snazzanna as well. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.320 I totally Snazanna's actually been when you think about it, 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.360 like that, she's the pin up of their brand. Like 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.560 the entire twenty eight Days as a concept has been, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.920 and I shouldn't say entire, A big part of the 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.600 twenty eight Days branding has evolved around Snazzana's ability to 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.360 have this incredible body after having babies, and I think 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.200 that without her being like the flagship of the brand, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.240 it wouldn't have grown as immensely. She is so imperative 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:31.680 to what twenty eight days is So that makes me 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.600 annoyed because I'm like, you can't extrapolate the two of. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:34.360 Them, exactly. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.400 I don't think there's one person out there any of 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.800 these people that are writing these bullying comments. Any of them, 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.200 I can guarantee you if they have made seventy million dollars, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:42.640 they go and buy a nice car as well. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.120 So my thing isn't so much about the individual comments, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.240 because I think on an individual basis, it comes from 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:49.960 a place of her Like I said, it comes from 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.120 a place of tall poppy syndrome. The issue I have 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.160 is how the media perpetuates it and encourages it. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.040 It's very, very steeped. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.000 In misogyny because we never ever see articles that say, hey, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.080 look at this man and the expensive suit he's wearing 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.119 and the expensive car. Carl Sandelanz drives a Rolls Royce, 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.880 and you never see the things that he owns itemized out. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:10.400 You never see it done to a man. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.360