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Speaker 1: This episode of Two Good Sports was recorded on gadigal Land.

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Speaker 1: This land was never seated, always was always will be

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Speaker 1: hi and welcome two Good Sports sports news told differently.

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Speaker 2: I'm Georgie Toney, I'm Nev.

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Speaker 1: And you may be able to tell, dear listener, but

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Speaker 1: we have a little bit of an extra spring in

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Speaker 1: our step because Nevo and I are in the same room.

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Speaker 3: We're in the same studio, same space, kicking off the

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Speaker 3: week together. George, I have been waiting for this.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled that we could actually be in the

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Speaker 1: same bubble together. It's rare these days for us, which

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Speaker 1: is sad and honestly it needs to be rectified.

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Speaker 3: We've already talked about the fact that I stalk you

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Speaker 3: on your messages. George, where are you, whether you're back

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Speaker 3: in Sydney, what's happening? Today's the day?

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Speaker 1: Today, I am here, I am here and as my

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Speaker 1: gift to you, Nivo, I will allow you to decide

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Speaker 1: good sport or bad sport.

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Speaker 2: You kick it off.

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Speaker 3: I'm going good sport, George. I know that shocking. And

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Speaker 3: of course, however, on Saturday night we had the A

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Speaker 3: Leagues Men's Grand Final. It was Central Coast Mariners up

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Speaker 3: against Melburn victory. The Mariners going for and historic treble

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Speaker 3: in Australian sport. They won the AFC Cup, they'd won

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Speaker 3: the premiership and on Saturday night, after a goal in

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Speaker 3: the ninety first minute and then two goals in extra

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Speaker 3: time in front of a record crowd on the Seni Coast,

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Speaker 3: this little club with the smallest budget of all did

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Speaker 3: this incredible thing.

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Speaker 2: They won.

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Speaker 3: They won the treble and look they could be the

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Speaker 3: good sport yes, but no, no, no, Actually their fans

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Speaker 3: George their fans and I'm you know, we don't promote

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Speaker 3: pitch invasions. So their fans streamed onto the pitch afterwards.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing about these little boutique stadiums, right,

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Speaker 3: and it's not tiny, it still holds over twenty thousand,

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Speaker 3: but they literally like just walk down and let themselves

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Speaker 2: But see this, it gave me.

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Speaker 1: It was reminiscent of when Buddy kicked his thousandth gold Franklin, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was that.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't one of those ones where you're like,

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Speaker 2: who's this nadyet on the field?

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: It was like, oh my gosh, yes, just this pure,

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Speaker 1: pure celebration.

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Speaker 3: It was. I was in amongst it. Now. Floor managers

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Speaker 3: were getting a little bit stressed, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: look at these coasts. We are safe here. This is

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Speaker 3: a happy place right now, there's a happy place to be.

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Speaker 3: But what I loved was they celebrated with the players,

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Speaker 3: they celebrated with each other, and then the ground announcer

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Speaker 3: really politely said over the loudspeakers within the bowl, ladies

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Speaker 3: and gentlemen, could you please return to your seats we'd

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Speaker 3: like to start the postmatch presentation. And they all went, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that makes sense. Yeah, no worries, No worries, mate, They'll

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Speaker 3: just trailed back off the pitch so that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so great, Which just goes to show I mean,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of times soccer fans in particular cop

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Speaker 1: a lot of flak for their behavior. But here is

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Speaker 1: a prime example of when people just have such power

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Speaker 1: for the team and they are able to, I guess,

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Speaker 1: happy about. Just it made the game. It's made the

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Speaker 1: game having the Grand Final there.

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Speaker 3: It really did. And I think a good call from

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Speaker 3: the league, who have copped plenty of criticism for numerous

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Speaker 3: other calls throughout the season, but they went, do you

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Speaker 3: know what, we could fit more in another stadium in

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Speaker 3: Sydney and take those gate takings, or we could actually

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Speaker 3: celebrate the connection between this club and that community and

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Speaker 3: give the Central Coast the biggest night that it's ever

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Speaker 3: been seen on the Central Coast. Yeah, and that community

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Speaker 3: gets the boost all round, and we get to celebrate

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Speaker 3: what really is genuinely such a special connection between that

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Speaker 3: in the last couple of seasons, which is truly remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nevo, in honor to you and us being in

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Speaker 1: the same location this week.

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Speaker 2: I also have a good sport.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love Yes, I'm actually slowly winning you over.

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Speaker 3: In two weeks time, it'll be like good sport or

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Speaker 3: good sporte? Do you like to che my good sport?

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Speaker 2: And actually, do you know what?

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Speaker 1: People may see this as a bad sport, depending on

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Speaker 1: of Barbie dolls in today's society, But my good sport

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Speaker 1: is the Mary Fowler barbie doll that has been released.

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Speaker 2: This is not sponsored. Get on board if you'd like

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Speaker 3: Missus George's address, if you'd like to send one.

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Speaker 1: I am so obsessed with this this doll has I

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Speaker 1: mean Mary Fowler, one of our favorite Matilda's.

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Speaker 2: I mean she's still.

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Speaker 1: So young, like it's actually early twenties, so for her

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Speaker 1: to just imagine having a Barbie doll like in your likeness,

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Speaker 1: all like what and before you're even twenty five?

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Speaker 2: What the hell?

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Speaker 3: How does that initial phone call go? So?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 3: Mary? How a phone call from mattel They want to

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Speaker 3: make a barbie of you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What? Yeah? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: What you'a what?

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Speaker 3: Now? Yeah? Great?

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Speaker 1: And that's got the little gloves. It's got the little

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Speaker 1: Mary Fowler gloves, which I love. I also do hope

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Speaker 1: that they're glued on. Can you imagine all of the

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Speaker 1: missing gloves that just go away like that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the parents have gifted this incredible tooint total child.

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Speaker 2: And then like where's Where's Mary's glove? Who knows?

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Speaker 3: And then we attacker of my own I can imagine

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Speaker 3: the meltdown. Yeah, van happens without one missing glass, one

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Speaker 2: I know, I know. So also could be a great.

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Speaker 2: If they can be sold separately. That's how they get you.

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Speaker 2: That's how those corporations.

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Speaker 1: indicative of just how the Matildas continue to dominate this culture,

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Speaker 1: stethoscopes stay with us, so, dear listener, Nevo has pointed

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm going to continue on.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Tunny.

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Speaker 2: Here we are, Nevo.

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Speaker 1: What we can be in agreeance with is that we

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Speaker 2: Are cruelly ruled out with the ACL nevo When was

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Speaker 2: it that?

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Are you like me?

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Speaker 1: Probably out because I'm naming us both doctors, But are

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Speaker 1: you like me when you watch a game of anything

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Speaker 3: because so often acls are non contact injuries. Yes. So

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Speaker 3: that's that moment where you go, no, not another one.

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Speaker 3: In this really innocuous looking moment or movement.

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Speaker 1: But why it is of such concern, I would say

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Speaker 3: Which when she went down in January was where our

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Speaker 3: Even I think, just George, how isolating that long term

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Speaker 1: With, which I never really truly Again, this is just me,

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Speaker 1: you know, growing up with sport, being ignorant to it. Right,

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Speaker 1: come back again. But for that player, it's been a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the gym by themselves, not knowing when they'll

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Speaker 3: be able to kick a ball again.

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Speaker 3: So being back to why we may have not made

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Speaker 2: It was such a set that Nevo.

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Speaker 1: It can be so debilit in your water polo career, honestly.

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Speaker 1: But if it has felt like the conversation around ACL injuries,

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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to women's professional sport, may have

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Speaker 1: Last year at the World Cup, thirty seven players missed

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, one hundred and sixty five ACL injuries.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, at least one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: The number of games, Yes, our female players are playing

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Speaker 1: That maybe not even the right questions of being asked

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Speaker 2: It wild that for me? I mean, that makes complete sense.

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Speaker 1: They are, of course also physical circumstances that have affected

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Speaker 3: Look, it's starting to change, and there are actually some

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Speaker 1: We are scientists at heart, and NEVO is the impact

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Speaker 3: You're adjusting the way you move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that wild?

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Speaker 3: It is? And then when it becomes a safety issue,

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Speaker 1: they'd be in them next week. They'd call in NASA

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Speaker 1: like do you know what I mean, They'd get it solved.

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Speaker 2: It, it'd be done.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't be having this conversation. But that is maybe

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Speaker 1: being me being a little bit too critical, because there

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Speaker 1: is something called Project ACL, which is a new three

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Speaker 1: year research initiative on ACL injury prevention that will apply

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Speaker 1: its findings across women's football globally. So there is work

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Speaker 1: being done in this space to try and limit this

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Speaker 1: damage and stop the frequency of this such long term injuries.

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Speaker 3: And there's been a lot of talk about that from

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Speaker 3: a FIFA angle, from a UAFER angle this season, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's still so much difference in what we're doing in Australia,

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Speaker 3: the data we collect here, the questions we ask here,

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Speaker 3: what they're doing in New Zealand just across the ditch,

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Speaker 3: the data they're collecting there, what they're doing in Europe.

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Speaker 3: And so I think if we can consolidate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no one should gate keep. Do not gate keep

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Speaker 2: the data.

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Speaker 3: We want to share this, We want to share this research.

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Speaker 3: We want to share this information. And even if at

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Speaker 3: a club level the doctors and the physios at that

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Speaker 3: particular club aren't asking the right questions, there should be

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Speaker 3: a goddamn hotline. Yeah, these players can ring because they

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Speaker 3: want to share this information. They want to they want

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Speaker 3: to be a part of the solution. Yep.

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Speaker 1: And even just talking about like when it comes to

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Speaker 1: your rehab, right, what helps, what doesn't help? Just a

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Speaker 1: little light at the end of the tunnel. You're week

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Speaker 1: one into a fifty two week comeback, Like, it's a

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Speaker 1: debilitating injury physically and mentally, and it needs needs to

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Speaker 1: be sorted out.

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Speaker 3: Even in terms of their return as well. George to

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Speaker 3: sport because obviously it takes a while to get that

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Speaker 3: faith back in your body, to get your speed back

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Speaker 3: to where it was before. But you also often see

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Speaker 3: calf or hammy injuries quite quickly in players' returns, and

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Speaker 3: obviously sometimes that hamstring graft is used and you can

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Speaker 3: create a bit of an imbalance, but you lose muscle

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Speaker 3: mass in your calf as well, and that takes time.

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Speaker 3: So even that support system within the player's network themselves

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Speaker 3: to talk about how that looks, the time that it takes.

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Speaker 3: When you actually felt like you had gotten back to

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Speaker 3: that performance level that you were at before you did

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Speaker 3: your ACL support within that network at that time in

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Speaker 3: recovery would be really great as well.

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Speaker 1: Remember when it was the Women's World Cup and Sam

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Speaker 1: Koh had the most talked about calf on the planet

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Speaker 1: and now, unfortunately for us, she has the most talked

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Speaker 1: about me. But she will be back is the important

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Speaker 1: thing to say. She will be back, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say she's going to be better than ever, don't

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Speaker 1: don't you disagreed?

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Speaker 2: Evo, I can't handle it right now.

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Speaker 3: See, I was trying to think, George, when we were

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Speaker 3: talking about having this conversation about any positive like any

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Speaker 3: upsides and despite that fact that, yeah, like often players

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Speaker 3: talk about not feeling normal for at least eighteen months

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Speaker 3: post injury, and it takes time your body getting used

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Speaker 3: to those new biomechanics. But I think sometimes players say

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Speaker 3: on reflection afterwards that it actually gives their bodies a period.

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Speaker 2: Of rest that they've never had.

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Speaker 3: That they've never had because they are playing a quantity

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Speaker 3: of games and of minutes that they've never played before,

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Speaker 3: so that enforced rest both mentally and physically. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: the long term hopefully positive that after that rest you

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Speaker 3: do act come back a better version of yourself, maybe

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Speaker 3: as a human as well as as a footballer, and

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Speaker 3: maybe your longevity in the game is increased as well,

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Speaker 3: because at that period in your peak, in your prime,

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Speaker 3: you've actually rested.

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Speaker 1: What I've taken away from that is that Sam is

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Speaker 1: going to play until she's eighty, and when she returns

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Speaker 1: to the football pitch in twenty twenty five, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the most Sam care of all time.

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Speaker 3: I that's exactly what I meant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so you heard it here first, Nevo. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it's time for a fun fancy.

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Speaker 2: That is the correct reaction for fun fact time.

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Speaker 1: Now you, Nevo are, of course our football nostro damas

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Speaker 1: you know everything about it, So I'm trying to stump

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Speaker 1: you here. Oh, I mean, I guess you've heard of

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Speaker 1: the Giant club Juventus.

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Speaker 3: You've as I have, continue, Did.

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Speaker 1: You know that the Italian giant is known for their

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Speaker 1: famous black and white stripes on their football shirts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that they originally played in pink shirts with

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Speaker 1: a black tie.

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Speaker 3: Yah? What yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Huh like an actual black tie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, let me continue reading.

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Speaker 3: And because I've gone to like business work shirt and tie,

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. Sorry, let's

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Speaker 3: recap pink shirt, black black.

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Speaker 2: Pink shirt, pink shirt, black tie.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen oh three, the club looked to replace those

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Speaker 1: shirts because the pink color was fading after they were

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Speaker 1: washing it.

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Speaker 3: They were washing do you know what football shirts they

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Speaker 3: washed a fair bit? Yeah? Well you scrimping on that.

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Speaker 1: You got to do it, You got to factor it in.

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Speaker 1: So you'ven just asked one of their English players, John

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Speaker 1: Savage at the time, if he knew anyone in England

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Speaker 1: who could supply new football shirts for that team. And

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Speaker 1: it just so happened that old mate John had a

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Speaker 1: mate who was a nots County supporter and they wore

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Speaker 1: black and white stripes, so we shipped out a bunch

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Speaker 1: of them to turn Inventus have won black and white

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Speaker 1: ever since.

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Speaker 3: Hey, do you know what I love? Though you still

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Speaker 3: do see the pink pop up occasionally. Yeah, in there

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Speaker 3: are way strips like so you still there's that ode

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Speaker 3: to their history there? Which is is that?

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Speaker 2: Is that what it is Nevo? Or have they just

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Speaker 2: put it in the wash?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? With red bed sheets, the red towel on again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you say history, I say accident?

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Speaker 3: Do you know? On the note, can we give Joe

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Speaker 3: Montemuro a little mention please? Former coach of Juventus women's side.

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Speaker 3: He was in town this weekend coaching the A League

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Speaker 3: Women's All Stars team. Of course he was, and he

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Speaker 3: has one of those incredible tactical footballing brains that you

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Speaker 3: just love sitting with him, hearing him dissect a game,

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Speaker 3: describing what he is seeing and how it's playing out

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Speaker 3: and why there is space there? Not just so there

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Speaker 3: is space there? But why where did it come from?

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Speaker 3: Why is that gap there?

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Speaker 2: It's not a fluky they meant that?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Neva.

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Speaker 3: So good to actually be here together, I.

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Speaker 2: Know I've loved every second of it. Hopefully you have

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Speaker 2: as well listening along.

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Speaker 1: I'm really thankful and grateful that Neva and I have

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Speaker 1: been able to solve the epidemic that is the ACL injury.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, You're welcome, You're welcome everyone who knows what

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Speaker 1: We're going to be solved next week, but until then,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to Two Good Sports.

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Speaker 2: It's been an iHeart production.

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Speaker 2: Until next week, be a good sport