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Speaker 1: Well, I know I'm a bit of a political nerd

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Speaker 1: and I'm certainly waiting to see exactly what goes on

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Speaker 1: in Parliament this week.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 1: Parliament resuming today, and of course we have a new

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister in Natasha Files, but she is usually the

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Speaker 1: Leader of Government Business and as I mentioned earlier, quite

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Speaker 1: the attack dog. I think it's a inside of parliament,

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Speaker 1: the one who stands up and calls those points of

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Speaker 1: order every couple of every few minutes sometimes. So how

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Speaker 1: is it all going to play out this week inside parliament? Well,

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Speaker 1: joining me on the line right now is the former

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly and also the

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Speaker 1: Independent member for goid Kezier Puric.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to Eukezia.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, and the acting Speaker, the deputy Speakers already

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Speaker 3: put everyone on a warning. I thought that was quick.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, what for what it just don't Well, things

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Speaker 3: got a bit rowdy, I think, Oh, I there is

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Speaker 3: some light moments. I mean, Chancy Peg is sitting in

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Speaker 3: the chair where the Lead of Government Business dips, so

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's a lead of governed Business for this week.

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Speaker 3: But whether that's a permanent role. I'm not sure. I

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Speaker 3: guess wrong. When the Chief Minister does the reshuffler, I

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Speaker 3: guess that kind of positions in the mix as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but he jumped to his feet to call a point

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Speaker 3: of order. Of course, the prospect is just roared with

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Speaker 3: laughter and a your first point of order? Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: a leader of government business. So it's got a bit

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Speaker 3: noisy there, and so the Speaker had to get everyone

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Speaker 3: under control again with the warning.

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Speaker 2: So Kensy, what do you reckon's going to happen? Is

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Speaker 2: he likely to take that role?

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Speaker 1: Because I know that ordinarily we all know that Natasha

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Speaker 1: Files is the leader of Government Business ordinarily prior to

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Speaker 1: becoming the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned a bit earlier, she.

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Speaker 1: Is always you know, I don't know that she's always

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Speaker 1: on the attack, but she's the person that stands up

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Speaker 1: every time there's a point of order and seems to

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Speaker 1: know all of her points of order.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a very it's an important job in any

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Speaker 3: parliament in our country. The lead of Government Business is

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Speaker 3: the person who coordinates the business of the day, of

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Speaker 3: the week, of the fortnight. So that's of course done

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Speaker 3: in consultation with the Chief minister the caucus. But that

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Speaker 3: person that has to ensure the smooth running of the

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Speaker 3: government business of the day, So they've got to be

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Speaker 3: on the ball. They've got to know their standing orders,

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Speaker 3: they've got to make sure everyone is where they should

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Speaker 3: be at the right time, you know who's speaking. Plus

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Speaker 3: that person then has to if need be, you know,

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Speaker 3: negotiate something with the opposition. For example, where if someone

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Speaker 3: has to go away or is absent from Parliament and

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Speaker 3: you have a thing called pairing where you know, you

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Speaker 3: cancel out to vote for each other, that has to

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Speaker 3: be done by the lead of gouvernment business. Or if

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Speaker 3: the government wants to change business on the day because

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Speaker 3: of some extraordinary arrangements, they'll need to go and talk

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Speaker 3: to the opposition leader live nociro. That's the person who

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Speaker 3: does it. So it's an important role. And my personal

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Speaker 3: view is Chance is very capable and probably knows the

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Speaker 3: standing orders better than anyone on his side, having been

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Speaker 3: in the role as deputy Speaker when I was a speaker.

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Speaker 3: So but I guess you just have to wait and

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Speaker 3: see with you know, because there has to be some

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Speaker 3: kind of reshuffle because.

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Speaker 1: You don't ordinarily go on but you don't ordinarily have

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Speaker 1: a chief Minister still the leader of government business or

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Speaker 1: still sort of.

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Speaker 2: She's not yeah, taking that attack, don't do it.

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Speaker 3: No, no, she won't be doing it if someone like

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Speaker 3: Chancey or perhaps someone else I don't know, but no, no,

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister does not do that job. That's a

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Speaker 3: completely separate job doing what the chief ministers have to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you reckon We're likely to see a bit

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Speaker 1: of a change in approach from the Chief Minister, the

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think we will.

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Speaker 2: I think we will.

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Speaker 3: Clearly Natasha Files has got her own style, She's got

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Speaker 3: her own leadership style, how she goes about engaging with

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Speaker 3: her colleagues. I will got short this day having to

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Speaker 3: think as to what her leadership style is, whether she's

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Speaker 3: collaborative or co or what. I think she's a bit

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Speaker 3: of both. But at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister has to say this is the way

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Speaker 3: we're going. Yeah, if there's a bit of uncertainty, but

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Speaker 3: I would tend to think that. You know, she's a

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Speaker 3: just gets on with the practicalities of the day, and

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Speaker 3: that can only be good for the chamber. I think

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Speaker 3: she'd be I think I personally think she'll be a

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Speaker 3: far better Chief Minister than the past one when it

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Speaker 3: comes to performance in the chamber. Now she's pretty good

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Speaker 3: perform when it comes to debating legislation and holding you know,

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Speaker 3: her team together and you know, taking it up to

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Speaker 3: the opposition if they're challenging them on something.

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Speaker 1: Gisi, I am going to have to get ready to

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Speaker 1: wrap up, but I want to ask you very quickly,

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Speaker 1: because I know that you, you know, you're a political.

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Speaker 2: Nerd like me, what do you think is going to happen?

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen this week?

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Speaker 1: Are we going to see a change in Deputy leader

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Speaker 1: and a change in some of those portfolios?

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Speaker 3: Not? Not, not today, tomorrow or Thursday. I think Caucus

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Speaker 3: will probably meet after the Parlament thinn because it'll be

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Speaker 3: too it'll be too uncertain and too much upheaval. Stick

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Speaker 3: with what we've got to get through the legislation this week,

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Speaker 3: because obviously some ministers have to get up and talk

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Speaker 3: specifically about legislation. And I suspect Caucus will meet on

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Speaker 3: Friday and there'll be announcing either that Friday or probably

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning, you know, the new cabinet going forward, because

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Speaker 3: bearing in mind Katie, whoever get to be the different

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Speaker 3: minister from what we've got currently, that's probably the ministers

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Speaker 3: that take them through to the next empty election. They

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Speaker 3: can't afford to put someone in and then ship that

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Speaker 3: was the wrong person. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: careful thinking going on, and no doubt there's a bit

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Speaker 3: of lobbying.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, you know, like you.

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Speaker 3: Know, a couple of new dogs that come up to

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Speaker 3: each other checking each other out, you know, whether the

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Speaker 3: friend or phone. You know. Well, but you're right. It

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Speaker 3: will be interesting to watch the performance in the Parliament today.

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Speaker 3: Sadly that the Speaker is still off cook with COVID

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Speaker 3: job out sitting in the chair. But they're online so

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Speaker 3: they're anticipating. I think it's not in the chamber.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kesier, please keep us up to date, keep us

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Speaker 1: up to date with the movements. Will be very interested

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Speaker 1: to hear how it all rolls out. Lovely to speak

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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you for having a chat today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you