1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Here at Too Good Sports. We would like to acknowledge 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land on which we record 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: this podcast. There were innerie people. This land was never seated, 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: always was always will be hi there, welcome to do 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: good sports. It's sports news told differently as always. I'm 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: Georgie Tanei. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: And I'm a very nasal abby jelmy. I'm not well. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: I know I usually have some baritone to my voice, 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: but at the moment it is next level. But we've 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: got Georgie in a bubble and the topic this week 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: is too important that I could not be here, Yes, 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: because we are going to tackle something Georgie that, honestly, 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: I've never been more nervous about a topic that we 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: are going to take on on this podcast. I think 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: it's something that we've created a platform to be able 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: to speak openly about how we feel without worrying how 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: a particular audience may take us. And by particular I 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: say male audience, if I'm honest. And what's unfolded in 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: the past week in my code, in the code that 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: I follow and have followed since being a kid in 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: AFL has been pretty distressing, yes, and awful, horrible, And 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: I think that the fact that we have a platform 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: to talk about it and also share our own experiences 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: as women in sport is really important. 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is one. It is a topic that 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: we are not taking lightly. We know that people are 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: going to come at us, but it would Yeah, what's new, 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: what's new? We have been working, living, loving the sports 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: space since we were born, really, and it's just another 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: example of the world telling us that sport is not 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: for us, it's not for girls, it's not for women. 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: And so therefore this is our response. However, we need 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: to get a good sport in there. We need something 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: to get and we're going to get up and about. 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: We'll get there, gw wes, We'll get This is one 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: of my favorite stories and it genuinely is. He's one 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: of the best characters in And I was lucky enough 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: to mce an event where Harry Coffee, who was a 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: winner of the court Field Cup on the weekend on 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: Duke Dicessa and it wasn't the favorite he discharged home, 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: but it was actually at the VC for Ronald McDonald 42 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: house and he got up and he told his story. 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,559 Speaker 2: So this is a kid that has suffered from cystic vibrosis, 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: his whole life was in and out of Royal Children's 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: Hospital and it deeply affects his lungs. Yes, so important 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: for a jockey, important for a jockey in general fitness. 47 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: And so his parents and his dad's a trainer, were 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: told that he would never be a jockey, it would 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: never be available for him, but also that they wouldn't 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: have him for long. That's the quote that he was 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: unlikely to get to adulthood. He himself was told that 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: he would never be a dad and that these things 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't be available to him because of the advancements we've 54 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: seen in the treatment of cystic vibrosis. This wonderful country 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: character who all these trainers said no to, but he 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: just kept trying, just one one of the biggest races 57 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: in the country on the weekend, his wife Taylor. He 58 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: speaks so lovingly about his wife Taylor and his son Thomas, 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: because he was able to be a dad and yeah, 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: it's just this amazing story of perseverance and his character. 61 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: Like he's so funny and so self deprecating about the 62 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: fact that he had an interview with Richo after the race. 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: He goes not bad for a bloke with half a 64 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: lump because in really and just has never shied away 65 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 2: from his story, has never tried to dull what those 66 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: illnesses really have been, what his recovery has been. And 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: we know what jockey's put themselves through in terms of 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: the stress on their body. And I'm sure there are 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: a million times where he thought this isn't worth it, 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: or this can't be the best thing for me or 71 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: my health. But there was just something special that's so wholesome. 72 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: It is, it's such a wholesome story. Well, I just 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: I Yeah, it's the best of sport. It is the 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: best of sport. It is the best of sport. I 75 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: also have a good sport today. Yeah, we're making up 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: for the bad sports coming coming. But I have a 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: good sport too. 78 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: And it is a big congratulations pad on the back 79 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: to the Papua New Guinea and rugby league team because 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: we are in international rugby league season. Yes, the NRL 81 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: is done with Penwrith Panthers. Well done. 82 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: Ah, it sound like a woman who was to get 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: as far away from the Broncos as possible. 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: You're literally going to another country twenty twenty five. It's 85 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: gonna be our year, Okay, it's gonna be our year. 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four certainly wasn't that. But if we focus 87 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: on the international running of rugby league, which is happening 88 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: right now. Yes, the Kangaroo has been playing, Yes New 89 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Zealand's been playing. But PNNG had an historic win against 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Fiji in Fiji over the weekend, twenty two points to 91 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: ten for the Kummels. And this is huge because there 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: is a very very very very very very strong chance, 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: I think it's already been confirmed in certain circles that 94 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: Papua New Guinea will have a team added to the NRL. 95 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: There are all kinds of geopolitical reasons for that, but 96 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: no one can deny just how much love this country 97 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: has for that sport and that code, in particular rugby 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: league players. If they go to tour Papua New Guinea, 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: they are treated like god. It's like cricket in India, right, 100 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: it is, it is, It's a religion for them. So 101 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: this is wonderful and the celebrations, the vision of that 102 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: in Papua New Guinea is really really heartwarming, so wholesome 103 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: and heartwarming. To start us off in this episode are 104 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: two good sports. 105 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: Now we're gonna get into a topic that change that tone. 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: This could really go anywhere, and it's coming up. 107 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: Jeremy, do you know what I miss off seasons where 108 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: you actually don't hear about the sports? And then I thought, 109 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: you know what, I haven't been able to miss those, 110 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, I haven't had to experience that feeling for 111 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: a while because they don't exist. They don't exist constantly. 112 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: We are drawn back into the world of a code 113 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: that should be on holiday, but alas we are never 114 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: able to enjoy a moment's rest because what happened and 115 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: what came to light last week, the report started flooding 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: in about an incident that had occurred at a GWS 117 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: Giant's Wacky Wednesday post season event on the eighteenth of September. Now, 118 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: this was after their semi final loss to Brisbane in 119 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: the AFL Finals. It happened at a function that took 120 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: place in a private room of a pub in Woollomeloo. 121 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: Now it emerged in the days later that a complaint 122 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: was made by a bartender at the pub after having 123 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: watched CCTV footage of activities that were happening in that 124 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: pub in Woollommeloo. The players, quite a few of them 125 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: had decided to partake in a theme of the party, 126 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: which was called Troubled Couples. We're going to get into 127 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: just how troubled that theme is in a bit, but basically, 128 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: the players were caught wearing various costumes depicting athletes and 129 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: celebrities in certain scenes and skits. This is what happened 130 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: according to the AFL, and this is the AFL CEO 131 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Andrew Dillon explaining exactly what went down in that private 132 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: function and the AFL's response to it. 133 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: The AFL investigation confirmed the following breach is what players 134 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: of AFL Rule two point three. A player Josh Fay 135 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: dressed as a former NRL player and Jake Riccarty as 136 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: a taxi driver. In the course of the skit, fa 137 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: simulated inappropriate acts on a sex doll. McCarty was not 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: involved in that part of the skit. Toby McMullan and 139 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: Cooper Hamilton simulated the September eleventh terrorist attack on the 140 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: World Trade Center in costume related to that event. Harvey 141 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: Thomas dressed as a particular professional sports and Joe font 142 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: Is a girl acting inappropriately during their skin. Connor Eyden 143 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: and Lockie Whitfield enacted a scene from the movie Jango 144 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: Unchained characterizing slavery. The behavior and the disrespect the players 145 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: have demonstrated this event do not uphold any of the 146 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: values of the AFL or the Giants, and the behavior 147 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: is not acceptable in any setting at any time. There 148 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: is nothing funny or clever about these actions, and we 149 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: are not, as a code and competition prepared to accept 150 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: these behaviors. We're also very disappointed that none of the 151 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: leaders sanction sought to stop the. 152 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: Behavior, so speculation about what had actually happened at this 153 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: private function was rife. Yes, from when the story broke 154 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: on the Tuesday to on the Thursday when Andrew Dillon 155 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: made his statement and also handed down the sanctions. So 156 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: thirteen current and former GWS players were sanctioned, and it's 157 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: important to note that not all of the playing group 158 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: chose to attend. 159 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: Yes, and as far as we know, staff were there 160 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: earlier in the day but not present. 161 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: Josh Fay was suspended for four matches for simulating the 162 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: acts with the sex doll, and what is being referred 163 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: to there is a rape case. They acted out a 164 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: rape case of which he was dressed as Jared Hayne, 165 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: who after six years being convicted twice and then acquitted 166 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: and serving jail time for this very well known case 167 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: where the woman in that circumstance again was represented by 168 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: a sex dollp and the act was performed for comedy value. 169 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: Five players that dressed up were then received two week bands, 170 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: including Cooper Hamilton who now no longer plays for the Giants, 171 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: so I don't know how he's meant to serve that band. 172 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: And the rest was five thousand dollar fines to the 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: leadership group, and Toby Green in particular had been speculated 174 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: in the lead up to that announcement to potentially have 175 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: received twenty thousand dollars for his lack of leadership shown 176 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: He dressed up as Raygun obviously wasn't part of these 177 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: offensive skits, but the we are didn't stop it. The 178 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: Giants were aware that this happened. The Giants, the club, 179 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: the institution and took no action, as in they were 180 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: made aware, as you said, by staff at the pub 181 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: and said nothing illegal had happened and that it was 182 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: a private function and had happened behind closed doors. The 183 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: AFL have absolutely copped it from the larger AFL fan 184 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: base for how heavy handed they believed that these sanctions. 185 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: Are some fans even I mean prior yes, to us 186 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: learning exactly what went down in that room. We're calling 187 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: for the GWS giants players involved to consider legal action, 188 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: taking legal action out against the AFL for how heavy 189 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: handed they had been. 190 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: And Dane Swann, former Collingwood great and also a Brownlow medallist, 191 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: it has to be said, took to social media to say, 192 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: you have to kind of hope these GWS boys have 193 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: sacrificed a live go to or something at the pub 194 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: because these punishments are ridiculous for what's being told right now. 195 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: And what's being told right now is dress up, laughing 196 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: at rape, yes, underage women and relationships, terrorism victims being 197 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: the butt of a joke, and also racism. 198 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, because this was it was important to note this 199 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: was all speculated. A lot of those different skits and 200 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: scenarios were speculated before we had confirmation. 201 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: And we thought, surely not. 202 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: I thought there's no way that can all be. 203 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: And Dane went on to say, also the bartender who 204 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: ratted on them deserves jail time all time. Disgusting thing 205 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: to do at a private event. So the disgusting thing 206 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: to do at a private event is to say, hey, 207 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: I find this inappropriate, not the actions itself, and it 208 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: is important we really summarized Andrew Dillon's statement there. Yes, 209 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: he did thank the person that came forward for calling 210 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: it out. Yeah, which he should have because, oh, Georgie, 211 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 2: the impact of this and the ripple effect of this 212 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: idea that so long as boys can be boys behind 213 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 2: closed doors and we can't take a joke anymore. They 214 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: didn't mean for it to be public. When are they 215 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: ever going to be allowed to blow off some steam? 216 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Is can't be perfect all the. 217 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: Time, jokes about rape and terrorism and racism in any 218 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: context where that is not funny. It is twenty twenty four, 219 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: and it is technically a work function because staff had 220 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: previously been there throughout the day. 221 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: I laugh because I'm so uncomfortable at the reality of 222 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: this incident that has happened. Because I've been trying to think, Jelemy, 223 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be I've been trying to wrestle with 224 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: the idea about why this case, these giants players acting 225 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: the way they did has hit me more than others, 226 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: because you know, this is not the first time. This 227 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: is not the first time that codes have let us down. 228 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: This is not the first time that teams have let 229 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: us down. This is certainly not the first time normal 230 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: bit the last, that players have let us down. But 231 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: it is because it is a greater mirror. Footy in 232 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: general is a mirror to society. So what we are 233 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: seeing from those boys and what they deem to be 234 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: funny and an inconsequential skit is essentially society once again 235 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: saying or telling us that sport's not for us, sport 236 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: is not for women. You actually aren't welcome here unless 237 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: you want to be the butt of the joke. 238 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: And the layers of planning that went into that joke, 239 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: I cannot. This wasn't just get up and reenact. It 240 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: was set as a theme. Yep. When no one thought, 241 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 2: hey guys, this do we think this is problematic? They 242 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: then went out and particularly the Jared Hanes supposed reenactment 243 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: for mine, where the taxi driver I can't. This has 244 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: been in court for six years. Only ever in an 245 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: incident where a party believed they were raped and the 246 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: woman was represented by a sex doll, and at no 247 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: point during the purchasing of outfits. 248 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: The planning planning has a blowing. 249 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: Up someone thought, gee, this is a bit off. This 250 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: is not okay. And the reason why the ripple effect 251 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: is terrifying, and I'm not exaggerating it is terrifying for me, 252 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: is that at the moment, there's a Respect Victoria campaign 253 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: about calling it out and there is a line in 254 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: there that says not all disrespect ends with violence, but 255 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: all violence against women starts with disrespect. We live in 256 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: a culture in Australia where there is a spike of 257 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: violence against women around the AFL Grand Final, around the 258 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: NRL Grand Final, and around state of origin. That's facts. 259 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: And if they say well this was behind closed doors, 260 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: do you know where women in this country are the 261 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: least safe in their home? And this idea that it 262 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: is funny for a group of men to get together 263 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: and it's not just women that were victimized through this, 264 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: it's minorities as a rule. Yes that this is still funny. 265 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: I actually can't copy it. And the thing that just 266 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: made me sick to my stomach is again, I consume 267 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: a lot of this. It is my job, and the 268 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: talkback callers throughout the week, and even listening to male 269 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: colleagues of mine that took a strong stance on radio 270 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: saying this isn't funny, this isn't okay, genuinely saying we're 271 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: looking at the text line now and the messages coming through, 272 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: I've got to be honest, are scary. 273 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Yes, And that's what I want to pick up on 274 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: because I have had a lot of conversations over the 275 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: past week with people that I would deem to be 276 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: very emotionally intelligent, yes, about how you have to let 277 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: guys have a safe space that they can be this, 278 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: they can be this part of themselves. That's why, that's 279 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: why it's funny. Get a new sense of humor, get 280 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: a new sense of humor, and let's just see if 281 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: anything changes, because we've been doing your sense of humor 282 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: forever and women keep dying, minorities keep getting targeted, Like, 283 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: let's let's change something. If you're doing exactly the same 284 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: thing that I believe is the definition of insanity. 285 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: But also, you can't joke about anything anymore. No, sorry, sorry, 286 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: you actually can't joke about rape. Yes, sorry, I'm like 287 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: fucking unfortunate. There's nothing else in the world that you 288 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: can like about. 289 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: And for people who say you're right, jellmy to point 290 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: out that this is a private function. Well, color me 291 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: freaking offended, because what do you mean are you meaning 292 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: to tell me? And I was even in someone's home. 293 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't in someone's home. You're in a priory, never staff, 294 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: you were in a public place. You're in a public place. 295 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: And dare I say if you are in your private 296 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: you're in a private space or whatever you want to say? 297 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: Does that mean that you're being your truest version of yourself? 298 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: Total? 299 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: So am I to believe that your personality is someone 300 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: who is happy to say that re enacting a rape 301 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: case or all the elements within that is funny, is fine. 302 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: And we mentioned Georgie the flow on effect of this. 303 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: We've both worked in sport, and we started out in 304 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: sport as very young women. Yes, and the people that say, 305 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: let boys be boys, this is funny. All that sort 306 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: of stuff are our audience there, and particularly when you 307 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: work specifically in sport, they're the people sitting on their 308 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: couch watching. And when I was twenty two or twenty three, 309 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: I forget. Now it's been a long time. I read 310 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: my first ever bulletin for Fox Sports News. I'd done 311 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: two degrees to get to that point. I'd moved into State. 312 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: I'd followed sport my whole life, and I was so 313 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: proud of myself and really excited for that opportunity. I 314 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: then got back to my desk, where part of my 315 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: role at the time was also to monitor the social 316 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: media account of Fox Sports, and I had a tweet 317 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: deck up. And those that have tweet deck know that 318 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: you have your personally, you have all these different accounts 319 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: so that you can keep track of what's happening in sports. 320 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: Me and I'd received a direct message to my personal account, 321 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: which at this point I wasn't even really a public 322 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: figure in any way, shape or form, and I opened 323 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: it and there was a dick pic I wish I 324 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: could think of a more a photo of male genitalia 325 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: again twenty two or twenty three, And I was just 326 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: doing my job, and that for me was the beginning 327 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: of more than a decade of realizing that if I'm 328 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: going to be a woman in sport, this is stuff 329 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: that I'm just going to have to tolerate. There was no 330 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: way to report that to my boss as being because 331 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: I didn't want them to go, oh, well, she's going 332 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: to be fair weather or this is going to be 333 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: hard work because this is what she's just going to 334 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: have to tolerate. I've received messages my entire career about 335 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: how I look, if I'm wearing enough, if I'm wearing 336 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: too much. Wearing too much is always what I get. 337 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: You're approved where less, even with this podcast. A few 338 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: weeks ago, Look, Laura and I did a topic on 339 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: where the AFL Grand Finals should be and I argued 340 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 2: that it should stay at the MCG and somebody thought 341 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: I was arguing against them, And there's line at the 342 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: end was stick to sports, you know, And I just go, 343 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: if I was a bloke, you're not saying stick to sports. 344 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: You know. 345 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: It's because I'm like, I couldn't have followed this my 346 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: whole life. I've worked in it for a better part 347 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: of a decade. It's because I'm a chick. And the 348 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: comments that come in your direct messages as a woman 349 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 2: in sport are always gendered. Always, it's always shut up, 350 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: you stupid bitch, Yes, always bitch. And I watch Pioneers, 351 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: You're Kelly Underwood's these these women that have weather all 352 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: of this shit in order to be in sport that 353 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: they it doesn't matter what they're doing, they're going to 354 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: copy it because of their gender anyway, and then something 355 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: like this happens and this loud, seemingly loud majority go 356 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: g the AFL heavy handed. You saw a tweet that said. 357 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I saw a comment on the AFL's 358 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: official sanctions post. I think it was saying Kim Jong 359 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: Dylan so comparing Andrew Dillon to the dictator of North 360 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: Korea because of their stance, because how could you possibly 361 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: think that a four game suspension for Josh Fay was 362 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: going to be adequate? That's crazy, You've lost your mind. 363 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: And we are like, this is just a snapshot of 364 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: some of the comments on social media that happened after 365 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: that press conference, so we knew everything that had happened 366 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: in that room. At this point, this bloke Dylan and 367 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: the AFL are giving football a name and not the players. 368 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: The AFL has gone completely woke in capitals, so pathetic. 369 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: They should be allowed to privately celebrate the end of 370 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: their season in private. Okay, well we've already discussed what 371 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: that private means. Well, it was a private function and 372 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: it should be left at that private. The AFL is 373 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: making it public, not the players, And then what a 374 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: joke the AFL has become what a joke, what a joke, 375 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: how funny it is to take women seriously to dare 376 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: I say, not degrade women, because that's what this is. 377 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: And jell me. Your experience has been shared by so many, 378 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: it's so common. 379 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 2: It's so not isolated that we don't complain about it. 380 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: Tragic, and I think that that has been the most 381 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: telling thing. And why we've both been so affected by 382 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: this story over the week is because remember when Michelle 383 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: Obama said, when they go low, you go high. I'm 384 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: fucking exhausted, I'm so tired. I'm not so tired of 385 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: going high all the time when our voice is it's 386 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: meant to be silenced in the systems that already are 387 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: in place. 388 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: And it says behind closed doors, we're not welcome in 389 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: sport where the butt of the joke. 390 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And for me, what makes this even more 391 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: poignant and even more pointed right now is that the 392 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: GWS giants have an aflwdam. 393 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: They had a whole round earlier in the year about 394 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: domestic violence. 395 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: They stood in a circle and said we need to 396 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: be better, call things out. Enough is enough. 397 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: So it was on the fourth of May where they 398 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: linked arms and this is the quote that the Giants 399 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: posted to their social media. When it comes to violence 400 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: against women, the only acceptable figure is zero. We have 401 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: a collective responsibility to call it out and say you 402 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: can prevent it against women, against your daughters, mothers, sisters, 403 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: friends and colleagues. And in the lead up to that game, 404 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: the Giants shared to their own social media our Watch 405 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: CEO Patti Kinnersley addressing the group speaking about what societal 406 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: expectations are of the players, and we'll take a listen. 407 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: You all know, we all know what the expectation is 408 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 4: on AFL and AFLW players to be role models, Like 409 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: the community expects an enormous amount of you. There's so 410 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 4: much pressure on you to do everything right all the time. 411 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: And in this situation when we're talking about violence against women, 412 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 4: there's this kind of real challenge of we want you 413 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 4: as an industry, and your team wants you, and your 414 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 4: teammates want you to be tough in and under for 415 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 4: the ball back into the pack, put your life on 416 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 4: the line for your buddies. And that's a real that's 417 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 4: one version of what we want you to be. But 418 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: then you step off the field and the community asks 419 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 4: you to be the type of young men and men 420 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: who are really good partners, have really respect for relationships, 421 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: and sometimes that those things can feel tricky to navigate. 422 00:23:54,040 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: Whole industry of athletes, particularly during the AFL season, a 423 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: whole group of men standing together and saying we're coming 424 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 4: together and saying we're not happy with what's happening in 425 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: violence against women in this country. We stand together and 426 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: we're going to do our bit. That's really important. And I, personally, 427 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: as a person who's been a leader in this space 428 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 4: for a long time, no, it matters. 429 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that my expectations that people don't make 430 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: jokes about rape, terrorism, slavery was so off kilter. But hey, 431 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: I'd expect that from a four year old. So I 432 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what to say. 433 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: I mean, I do understand that they live in a 434 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: world where they are forever criticized. They are public figures. 435 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 2: There are some things that attract scrutiny when you are 436 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: a professional athlete of any variety that other people just 437 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: get away with. As in we thought about this earlier 438 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: with Sam kerr Yes and her incident of throwing up 439 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: in the cab and you know, being a little bit 440 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 2: abusive to not a little bit abusive. She called a 441 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: police officer a white bastard and that made international news. Yes, 442 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: so there are criticisms that come your way, but this 443 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: idea that we're expecting so much of adults in any 444 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: other context, I would lose my job. 445 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Can you imagine for anyone there who's like, if you're 446 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: still on the fence about this and being like, oh, 447 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean I think that players need to be able 448 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: to let off some kind of stem. 449 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: Or missing Football's just such a big overreaction to the 450 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: huge AFL have to and they have. We've seen it 451 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: in the last twelve months, draw a line in the 452 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: sand to say this stuff's not okay. 453 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: But it's virtue signaling no, but we are. 454 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: But we saw it with homosexual slurs throughout the year, 455 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: where usually they'd be allowed to just go on. The 456 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: sanctions actually became increasingly severe as the season went on 457 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: because basically, with the AFL standing up going this isn't 458 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: acceptable anymore. And I think that what a lot of 459 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: people are saying, and what the AFLPA came out and 460 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: said after Andrew Dillon made that his statement was this 461 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: culture God, I hate using that word. Is something that's 462 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 2: been allowed to exist within AFL clubs and within sport 463 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: for generations. 464 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, their language is pretty hard. They're like, we have 465 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: not worked hard enough to change that. 466 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: Actually, let's read that. We've got the statement. Now, this 467 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: is part of the statement made by the AFLPA, And 468 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 2: before they get into this particular exert of the statement 469 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: that we're going to read, they do say that they 470 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 2: think that the investigation didn't take due or fair course, 471 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: that the players were basically handed down sanctions and given 472 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: a really short turnaround time to accept it, that there 473 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: wren't support people. So the AFLPA, while they agreed that 474 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: the actions were reprehensible and that there needed to be consequences, 475 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: have since come out and said what sort of process 476 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: is in place for this? How are we meant to 477 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: make sure that this is fair and reasonable? 478 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and hopefully put out so it doesn't happen again. Yes, 479 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: I feel like a crazy person that I need to 480 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: say these words, but here we are. So this is 481 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: part of the station from AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh. As 482 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: an industry, we've had too many cultural issues and we've 483 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: not worked hard enough to set and role model the 484 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: standards expected. This does not excuse individual choices and decisions, 485 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: but they are not made in a vacuum. For many years, 486 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: the industry has walked past this type of behavior and 487 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: accepted it as part of footy culture. I'm just going 488 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: to read that again. For many years, the industry has 489 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: walked past this type of behavior and accepted it as 490 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: part of footy culture. This is the culture that we 491 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: are all now responsible for. We include players, clubs, the AFL, 492 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: and the AFLPA in this. For more than twelve months, 493 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: the AFLPA has been trying to work with the AFL 494 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: to establish a joint committee as agreed in last year's CBA, 495 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: the Collective Bargaining Agreement inclusive of players, experts and industry people, 496 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: to address these issues proactively and improve our industry. This 497 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: is yet to happen. I think if to go back 498 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: to can you imagine if the women's team did this? 499 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: They wouldn't one. They wouldn't obviously, but can you imagine 500 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the type of fans who have been yelling at us, 501 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: being like, let them have a break. Can you imagine 502 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: what they would be then saying to the marquee players 503 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: of the GWS Giants. 504 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: Now every AFL team has an AFLW team attached, and 505 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: I wonder how uncomfortable it is for the AFLW players 506 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: who made a statement about this and how distressing it was. 507 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: Well, this is part of their statement because I do 508 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: want to touch on it. I think it's really important 509 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: because lots of the players from the Giants team have 510 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: gone on the record this week saying that they have 511 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: been really affected by what's happened. Of course, of course 512 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: with their brother team, one big happy family there at 513 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: the Giants. So this is from the AFLW captain, Rebecca Beeson. 514 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: It is important that we make it known that we 515 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: were deeply hurt and angered when learning of the behavior 516 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: that occur playing the game We love gives us a 517 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: platform to speak to the community, fans and young people. 518 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: As the AFLW playing group, we feel it is our 519 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: great It is of great importance to stress that the 520 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: behavior that included references to gender based violence is completely 521 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: unacceptable under any circumstances. The values of respect, diversity and 522 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: inclusion are as important off the field as they are 523 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: on it. We look forward to the afl playing group 524 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: learning from this incident and as a club. We are 525 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: united in ensuring everyone feels safe within our game. They 526 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 1: have so much work to do that men's team in 527 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: order to rebuild this trust. 528 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: I think, well, you know what, the one thing I 529 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: will say is my experience with the Giants and their 530 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: leaders is they've always been respectful. I agree, that's been 531 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: my and in particular, Toby Green's a delightful person. So 532 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: I think that we can go so far as to 533 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: really and I think the AFL PA put it really well. 534 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 2: This is a societal and a cultural issue, and we 535 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: are persecuting a small group of people that yes, have 536 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: made a horrendous, disgraceful, disgusting misjudgment. But we have to 537 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: call out this behavior loudly as a society in order 538 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: to affect any change. And speaking of change, throughout the 539 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: AFL season this year, the AFL as an institution brought 540 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: out a diversity clause for media in the way that 541 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: we cover sport, and even that received this big, woke, 542 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: loud background. And again the fact that women still represent 543 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: diversity when we're fifty percent of the population gets me. 544 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: For me, women don't watch school. 545 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: But but we also get you know, a conversation between 546 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: two white men on radio, one of them being Andrew Dillon, 547 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: where the host is essentially saying, but what about all 548 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: the middle aged white blokes that we have at this 549 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 2: network that call sport? 550 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: What about them? And Andrew Dillon, the. 551 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: Poor bloke is left there going we're not saying that 552 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: we're anti white men that have played sport. We're saying 553 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: we're at a stage where if we don't introduce a policy, 554 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 2: there's been no shift of the dial of representations of 555 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: minorities on air, so that when this stuff happens and 556 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: I listen to the radio and I turn on the TV, 557 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: it is not men talking about it. Yes, yes, because 558 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: that was the bit for me is I was like, 559 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: I want like someone be like I am filthy about this. 560 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: I want someone to go, I'm so angry about this. 561 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you should be too. 562 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: And instead that's the conversation sort of deviated wider into 563 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: well this will end. Mad mondays dress ups are a 564 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: bit silly anyway, You're missing the point. 565 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's that because the point has. 566 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: Never affected you, and it's never made you feel like 567 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: you're not welcome here. You've never felt it. 568 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: Do you think that Andrew Dillon has handled this well. 569 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm such an advocate for him and his leadership. 570 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's done this very very well. 571 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: I think it was very important that they went into 572 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: such detail about what went down in that room. Yep, 573 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: because of all the speculation that was happening. Do you 574 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: think people learn from this? 575 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: Who knows? 576 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard not to be cynical, it really 577 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: really is. But hey, we're calling for change, so we 578 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: have to therefore believe in it. 579 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: And if the institution itself, the AFL are calling it 580 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: out and saying we don't stand for it anymore, that's 581 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: the start. 582 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: And I just want to take some time to just 583 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: give a little note to our female sports fans, our 584 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: female listeners, and just a reminder that sport is for you. 585 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: You cannot get keep sport. That was the whole reason 586 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: why Gelemy and I wanted to create this platform too. 587 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: Good sports and sport is for everyone to enjoy, for 588 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: everyone to love. So once again, when they go low, 589 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: stay high. 590 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 2: And we definitely at two good sports have made this 591 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 2: about gender, but there was also two other minorities, yes, 592 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: that were really awfully attacked in this in victims of 593 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: terrorism and also people that are ethnic in terms of 594 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: the Django Unchain skit, and we certainly don't want to 595 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: glaze over how painful that would have been for them, 596 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: but this is how it affected us. 597 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh, deep breaths. It feels like deep breath, deep breath. 598 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: We realize that this has been a really heavy episode 599 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: of Two Good Sports. We think that it has had 600 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: to be. But because of that, we have a quick, 601 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: just a quick little fun fact, jelly take it away. 602 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 2: Jokes about rape, terrorism, and race are not funny. 603 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: That's it. You can always follow two Good Sports on 604 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: Instagram at two Good Sports Podcasts. We'll catch you next week, 605 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: but until then, be a good sport.