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Speaker 1: Now, as we know, Parliament is going to sit for

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Speaker 1: the first time next week with the new members of Parliament,

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Speaker 1: and for the first time we've got a member of

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Speaker 1: the Greens here in the Northern Territory Parliament. Cat macnamara

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Speaker 1: is the Greens member for Nightcliff and she joins me

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Speaker 1: in the studio. Good morning to you, Cat, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: lovely to have you in the studio. Nice to meet

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Speaker 1: you in persone. Thank you, thanks so much for your time. Now.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling after being elected? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Great, buzzing. I mean, it's a real like an absolute whirlwind.

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Speaker 2: I'm just sort of getting my head around what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And you know, but we sort of hit the ground running,

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Speaker 3: On for a while and yeah, but you know.

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Speaker 2: We've got the office open running, We're having constituents coming

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Speaker 2: in and chatting to us, so it's all happening.

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Speaker 1: So is the office still in the same spot as

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Speaker 1: where Natasha Files' office was, Yeah, same one. And that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing, I guess for that continuality for people

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Speaker 2: It's a really good spot because it really is open

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Speaker 2: up to communitlate the markets, so you know, every Sunday

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Speaker 2: people can come in, wonder in and say Hi.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's I mean, I'm lucky. It's a great spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so what's the feedback being from the electorate

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Speaker 2: So I'm actually kind of been blown away, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: but I've voted for you, and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: like I'm so excited to see change, Like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: And so what are your main priorities? I guess since

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Speaker 1: stepping into the role, and I guess finding your feet

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Like so to start off with, my real

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Speaker 3: priority is my electorate.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I talked to a lot dur in

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Speaker 2: the campaign about bringing the voices of my community into parliament.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people feeling like they hadn't

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Speaker 3: Telling me during the campaign. So there are some like really.

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Speaker 2: Tangible things like that, and obviously community safety and how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, it is so important, you know, to

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Speaker 1: So it's it is a good thing to get stuck into.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that Parliament's sitting next week. We heard

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's really rings alarm bells

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Speaker 2: And I know that there are so many people out

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Speaker 1: What do you say to those victims who, you know,

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Speaker 2: What do you say to them, Oh, it's awful. Everyone

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Speaker 2: to just get together and to fix some of these issues, right,

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Speaker 2: But I just the evidence is out there that this

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Speaker 2: You know, they if we want to be involving these

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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean I want to I want to

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Speaker 3: Because we can do something, it doesn't always mean that

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Speaker 2: And I want to make sure that the laws that

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Speaker 2: Best laws that are going to give the outcome that

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Speaker 3: How could we? Is there any ways that we could

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Speaker 1: Have you has the opposition given you I mean, sorry,

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Speaker 2: Idea that maybe the government wants to ram things through

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Speaker 3: One thing that almost everyone said.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a look at the ram Raid legislation

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Speaker 3: By the look of things, look known that that particular one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been hearing a lot the bayl amendments

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Speaker 3: I haven't so much looked at the ram Raid legislation.

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Speaker 1: So you would like to see those scrutiny committees reintroduced, definitely.

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Speaker 1: It's something we've spoken to Jerry would the former Independent

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Speaker 3: I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: I would hope so seeing as you know that they

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Speaker 2: You have government, opposition and cross benches sitting together on

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Speaker 1: There are still people messaging about the fact that your

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm just I think it's fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Kat Lovely to speak to you this morning. I really

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