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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Joins and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: I was reading about over the weekend. LRL boss Peter

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Speaker 2: Velandis said consideration would be given to stripping Jared Haynes

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Speaker 2: of his dally M medals following his rape conviction. At

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Speaker 2: the time of reading that, I thought, well, you can't

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Speaker 2: really erase history. But then I was reading another article

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Speaker 2: and it pointed out if you had, say, you know

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Speaker 2: one of those boards, the trophy boards, and it's got

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Speaker 2: all the dally M winners, and then in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and nine and twenty fourteen, well, I remember one year

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Speaker 2: JT with Jared Haynes. But if you just put the

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Speaker 2: asterixers there and the young man looked at and said, well,

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Speaker 2: why is an asterix there? For two thousand and nine

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, you would then be obliged to explain what

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Speaker 2: actually happened. And this article goes to point out that

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Speaker 2: that would go a long way instead of having all

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Speaker 2: these how to respect women videos that they seem to

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Speaker 2: spend thousands and thousands of dollars of. If you sit

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Speaker 2: there and put up there and say, well, yes, the

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Speaker 2: reason the asterix is there because this guy raped a woman.

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Speaker 2: I went to prison and went to prison for it,

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Speaker 2: and also his supporters the behavior THO, that was disgrace.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is going on with these guys? Blind

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Speaker 2: Freddie could see that she did not issue consent and

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Speaker 2: it's not about no matter how much she said she

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Speaker 2: was up for it in the Instagram messages to Jared Haynes,

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Speaker 2: she said no. And that's been well documented and these

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Speaker 2: guys can't see that.

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Speaker 1: That was so awful to watch their response to her

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Speaker 1: and how hard it's been for her to come forward,

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Speaker 1: how brave she is, and you wonder why women don't

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Speaker 1: do it more. She gets treated like that outside the court.

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Speaker 1: It was horrific. And all those enablers that have been

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Speaker 1: around him, What a big mistake that's been for him.

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Speaker 1: That's a big problem. No one's told him no, and

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Speaker 1: then she did. And look now he's off to court

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Speaker 1: and now he's off to prison playing Devil's advocate. I

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Speaker 1: think that's an amazing thing to put the asterisk, and

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Speaker 1: so people go, oh, yeah, that's that guy. But where

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Speaker 1: do you draw the line. Is it someone who goes

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Speaker 1: to prison, someone who besmirches the game?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Is this a line in the sands?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. True, and it is long that big debate.

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Speaker 1: Do you judge in this on a board of football awards?

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Speaker 1: Do you judge the man or the footballer? I agree

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Speaker 1: that his name should be struck off or amended somehow,

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Speaker 1: but it's an interesting debate.

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Speaker 2: It's like a soldier in the army and there's much

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Speaker 2: to do about Ben Robert Smith at the moment. And

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Speaker 2: we spoke to Ben Rose with Smith and I was

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Speaker 2: really just impressed with him as a person. And there's

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Speaker 2: what's happening now with the allegations that he's defending himself about.

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Speaker 1: That's different that he's broken the army rules. Yes, as

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Speaker 1: a footballer. Jared Haynes hasn't broken football as rules. He's

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Speaker 1: broken society's rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But you're all accountable at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day. It doesn't matter who you are, You're going

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Speaker 2: to be accountable. And how many people tell you how

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Speaker 2: great you are, there's going to be some point in

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Speaker 2: time someone's going to say in your little group of friends,

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Speaker 2: hey mate.

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Speaker 1: And modern footballers, a big part of the money that

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Speaker 1: they earn is a pr role to be good role

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Speaker 1: models for society and good role models for future players

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Speaker 1: and for clubs. And for sponsors, and that's obviously not

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Speaker 1: happening here.

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Speaker 2: Have a good look at yourself, no matter who you are.

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Speaker 2: Jonesy and Amanda's Gamnation