Speaker 1: Hello, it's the gorgeous artsimone here.
Speaker 2: You may know me for my gorgeous face that's been
Speaker 2: sculpted by the gods, or a very good makeup rush.
Speaker 2: But sadly not everyone is as gorgeous as I am.
Speaker 2: But I am selflessly giving regular people a platform. It's
Speaker 2: not entirely true, though, because although they may look painfully regular,
Speaker 2: they're concealing something about themselves which makes them worthy of
Speaker 2: my time and yours. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: and neither do you, but we'll do some hard work
Speaker 2: to carve out the truth.
Speaker 1: Bring me my guess.
Speaker 3: My name's Ramin. I live in Melbourne. I was born
Speaker 3: in Sydney and lived in Iran from nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 3: to nineteen eighty one. I spend most of my time
Speaker 3: trying to solve problems and outside of my work, you're
Speaker 3: drawing and painting. But I'm concealing something about my profession,
Speaker 3: which I've done now for the best part of about
Speaker 3: two decades.
Speaker 1: Well, hello, how are you very well?
Speaker 2: How? I'm mysterious. So you're sitting in front of me.
Speaker 2: You're very smartly dressed. You nice pair of spectacles. I
Speaker 2: ask everyone, are they prescription or are they for fashion purposes?
Speaker 3: Definitely prescription, okay, And I took way too long getting them,
Speaker 3: realizing when I ran out of room with my iPhone
Speaker 3: my arm couldn't stretch any longer to read it.
Speaker 1: You could just increase the font starze.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Then, you're right.
Speaker 1: I haven't taught my mum that trick.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to let her know one day she's
Speaker 2: going to have one word per page and just take
Speaker 2: her a long time.
Speaker 3: But I was almost there.
Speaker 2: Well, you've got the glasses now, see you're fine. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So you're like drawing, like painting you what did you say?
Speaker 2: You're twenty two decades nearly two decads, two decades your profession,
Speaker 2: and that's what you're concealing from me today, your profession.
Speaker 1: That's what makes that's the interesting thing about you.
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm talking one of them.
Speaker 2: So I'm told, okay, what I'm going to do today
Speaker 2: is ask you three questions, and from the answers to
Speaker 2: those three questions, I have to work out what it
Speaker 2: is you're concealing from me here.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready?
Speaker 3: I'm very ready?
Speaker 2: Question number one, fifty years in the future. What do
Speaker 2: you think would be a new norm.
Speaker 3: I think that people will be looking at tailored engineering
Speaker 3: body solutions to disease.
Speaker 2: Tailored engineer body solutions to disease. Correct, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of words. Now I have to decode those words. Yes
Speaker 2: to disease, all right, tailored fashion nozas not in a fashion? Okay, disease.
Speaker 2: Question number two. If you were to pick one ninja turtle,
Speaker 2: which one would it be?
Speaker 3: I would so Leonardo Leonardo?
Speaker 1: What do you like about Leonardo?
Speaker 3: Leonardo is an artist, a sculptor, a scientist. Okay, engineer,
Speaker 3: big problem solver.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I like the fact that he did so many different things,
Speaker 3: so many varied and interesting things, all of them requiring
Speaker 3: great deal of ingenuity and curiosity.
Speaker 2: Okay, big brain. Okay, damn big brain. Disease twenty years
Speaker 2: leo artist, big brain. Coming back to that one.
Speaker 1: Okay. The final question I have for you is what's
Speaker 1: the motto you live by?
Speaker 3: One motto? I really one saying I realized it's not
Speaker 3: My saying is but off more than you can chew,
Speaker 3: and chew like hell, more.
Speaker 2: Than you can chew and okay, teeth, big brain with
Speaker 2: teeth disease twenty years art turtles Okay, turtles.
Speaker 3: Could command with anything.
Speaker 1: Now, I think it's clear as day, clear as day.
Speaker 2: I don't know much trying to think about this, because
Speaker 2: you really painted it beautifully for me.
Speaker 1: Yep, are you?
Speaker 2: I think you are a mad scientist who has engineered
Speaker 2: turtles with big brains and teeth to battle disease.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: It's not too far.
Speaker 1: Off the mark.
Speaker 3: I'm a plastic, reconstructive and cosmetic surgeon with a PhD
Speaker 3: in molecular biology of lymphatic vessels. I work with people
Speaker 3: who require reconstructive surgery for trauma or cancer, but also
Speaker 3: those who suffer the after effects of cancer. I often
Speaker 3: operate on those who've been looking for ascetic reasons for
Speaker 3: different types of surgery or cosmetic surgery that may not
Speaker 3: have gone as planned.
Speaker 1: That's a big brain's.
Speaker 2: So Ramon isn't creating an army of turtles with big
Speaker 2: teeth fighting disease? No? No, no, he is a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I could have a free consultation here today.
Speaker 2: You don't mind listening, do you?
Speaker 1: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're here with women and you are a
Speaker 2: lot of things a big brain holder. But one of
Speaker 2: those things you do is cosmetic surgery. Plastic surgery. Can
Speaker 2: you actually, let's at the top line, plastic surgery and
Speaker 2: that can be cosmetic or it can be reconstructive.
Speaker 1: Has that divvy up.
Speaker 3: Plastic surgery is a really broad specialty. Essentially, the focus
Speaker 3: is on what we say is form and function, So
Speaker 3: the form of a body part and the function of
Speaker 3: a body part. So if you want to walk down
Speaker 3: the street and you have a part of your limb
Speaker 3: missing or facial injury or something like that, and people
Speaker 3: are interacting with it, it inhibits your ability to communicate, you
Speaker 3: feel self conscious. So the two actually blend into one another.
Speaker 3: For example, in pediatric plastic surgery, when we're helping with
Speaker 3: patients who are born with a congenital difference, a lot
Speaker 3: of it is about them being able to get into
Speaker 3: school and to start their journey socializing and learning without
Speaker 3: being teased or bullied or whatever. So it might be,
Speaker 3: for example, the pinning back of the ears that's not functional,
Speaker 3: it doesn't help the hearing, but it does help the
Speaker 3: asthetic appearance. In turn, that helps them to integrate into
Speaker 3: their classroom and society, so that they're not constantly starting
Speaker 3: behind the ape ball.
Speaker 2: So if you're going in for an operation, for example,
Speaker 2: and you need something fixed, yes, is it true that
Speaker 2: like plastic surgery itself.
Speaker 1: Is like an optional extra?
Speaker 3: Like? Is that how it shouldn't be? But there was
Speaker 3: a time when one of the health funds they said
Speaker 3: we're just funding the cancer cutout and the reconstruction's cosmetic,
Speaker 3: and that was a pretty dark time for patients. The
Speaker 3: Australian Society Plastic Surgeon was extremely angry about that, and
Speaker 3: we did have a lot of representation to Healthiness is
Speaker 3: saying that's unethical to say that we'll cut out the cancer,
Speaker 3: but we won't reconstruct it. And in the end people
Speaker 3: saw the light.
Speaker 2: My mum, for example, has had lots of skin catcers
Speaker 2: in her life. She had it on her lip and
Speaker 2: they had to cut a whole trunk out of her lip,
Speaker 2: and they could a plastic surgeon wasn't She couldn't afford
Speaker 2: for plastic surgeon to fix it, and ever since then
Speaker 2: she wrote me in photos she doesn't like people for
Speaker 2: people to see her because she's got this big scar
Speaker 2: in the middle of her face.
Speaker 3: Really, in this day and age in Australia, you shouldn't
Speaker 3: be not able to access a plastic surgeon through the
Speaker 3: public hospital system. The good news is, I guess she
Speaker 3: could definitely see someone and look at getting that restored
Speaker 3: or improved.
Speaker 2: She calls herself the bride of Chucky, the poor doll.
Speaker 2: So do you do elective surgery like an electric cosmetics surgery?
Speaker 2: Has there any ever been a circumstance where someone comes
Speaker 2: to you and you go, I'm not doing that. I
Speaker 2: can't do that, Like, is there anything? Is that a common?
Speaker 3: They're very, very common to have patients who come in
Speaker 3: with a preconception and it's become a lot worse in
Speaker 3: the age of social media, it must be said, and
Speaker 3: reality TV and these things. People often come with an
Speaker 3: expectation that may not be relevant to them. They'll come
Speaker 3: in with some form of surgery that they desire was
Speaker 3: just simply is impossible. They'll come with a photograph of
Speaker 3: a celebrity which has a completely different bone structure, age,
Speaker 3: health status, and then want something done that's actually not
Speaker 3: A probably isn't achievable, but B is risky, and C
Speaker 3: has a very high risk of them being completely dissatisfied,
Speaker 3: because what does happen. This condition, called body dysmorphic disorder,
Speaker 3: is that patients often can't see themselves as you and
Speaker 3: I might see them walking along the street. There's a
Speaker 3: there's a distortion, and that's a very complex there's a
Speaker 3: there's an overlay of lots of social and developmental issues
Speaker 3: where they teased and I would suggest that if the
Speaker 3: outside observer came along and met her, they probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: notice it, but to her, she's fixated on it. Yes,
Speaker 3: and that's that's something where we have to as plastic surgeons,
Speaker 3: be very careful.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, how do you then
Speaker 2: choose what is valid and what isn't?
Speaker 1: How does your scale go all?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Now, I understand essentially people pleading their case to you,
Speaker 2: being like, this is what it's doing for me, this
Speaker 2: is why it would be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's a mixture. There's certainly there's
Speaker 3: screening tools. Sometimes you when you talk to patients, you
Speaker 3: can't actually tell what they're seeing from inside their heads.
Speaker 3: So there are screening tools to understand if they are
Speaker 3: suffering from this condition or have it a touch of
Speaker 3: this condition called body dysmorphia, But often it's a matter
Speaker 3: of just spending that time getting to know patients and
Speaker 3: discussing with them. And if you actually sit down with people,
Speaker 3: sometimes what they thought was the main problem isn't actually
Speaker 3: the main problem. So an example that I could give
Speaker 3: you is that patients will come along and they have,
Speaker 3: because of breastfeeding as a mother, or age or weight alteration,
Speaker 3: they have breasts that they feel hang down too low,
Speaker 3: and they come in for that being corrected. And the
Speaker 3: lazy thing to do is just stick a breasting plant
Speaker 3: into it. Doesn't actually address the problem. What they might
Speaker 3: need is a breastlift or a breast reduction or something
Speaker 3: slightly more nuanced. But you know, if I see a
Speaker 3: patient and they want something done tomorrow, it's almost like
Speaker 3: there's a pressure to do it or I'll go elsewhere.
Speaker 2: I think I can relate to you on a very
Speaker 2: minor level in terms of I for years was a
Speaker 2: makeup artist, and I did a lot of drag makeup
Speaker 2: for people, and I would get shown pictures of like
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old glamorized face tuned drag queen by
Speaker 2: like a fifty year old man and be like, your
Speaker 2: face doesn't look like that. If I put that makeup
Speaker 2: on you, you wouldn't look like that. I can do that
Speaker 2: makeup on you, but you're going to be very upset
Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror. And it's really interesting
Speaker 2: that you have to kind of let people down from
Speaker 2: these expectations without seeming like the bad guy. I really
Speaker 2: want to help you. We can get somewhere, but you're
Speaker 2: never going to get to that. And that's okay because
Speaker 2: we can make you beautiful in your own right, but
Speaker 2: to get the person over that side, it's always a
Speaker 2: little bit difficult.
Speaker 3: Well, that's very perceptive because I think that's exactly what
Speaker 3: it is. I think it's almost identical, except that instead
Speaker 3: of using a bit more permanent rushes, well, no, it's
Speaker 3: instead of using brushes and makeup, it's just using a
Speaker 3: scalpel blade. And so some people call plastic surgery psychology
Speaker 3: with a knife. Yeah, but really that's a little bit
Speaker 3: glib as a statement, because it's more like trying to
Speaker 3: negotiate and navigate each person's individual psychology. And sometimes it's
Speaker 3: reassuring people to say, look your arms, your breasts, your eyes,
Speaker 3: your nostrils, your legs. There is a variation between what
Speaker 3: is normal between two sides of anything.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm legally blind in one eye, so like, I struggle
Speaker 2: with one side of my face and I constantly have
Speaker 2: to take photos of my face and flip it so
Speaker 2: I can see the other side properly, and every time
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my God, is that what I look like?
Speaker 1: Bloody hell.
Speaker 3: But I think that's really important for people to understand
Speaker 3: that it's okay to vary from the normal quote unquote,
Speaker 3: because the normal is set by people who are actually
Speaker 3: chasing the symmetry and things, which actually, if you look
Speaker 3: at nature, nature itself doesn't do symmetry.
Speaker 2: And it is funny because if you do make someone
Speaker 2: look exactly symmetrical, they look weird, they look done.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and some people like that.
Speaker 3: So I mentioned that I lived in Iran as a child,
Speaker 3: and in Iran there's a huge rhinoplasty industry. Okay, so
Speaker 3: there's a lot of rhinoplastis done and there's a status
Speaker 3: symbol around the run plasty. So people whereas a lot
Speaker 3: of patients here will hide away for the postop recovery
Speaker 3: because it's a sign that I've got money to afford
Speaker 3: a rhinoplasty. People walk around with the bandages on their nose,
Speaker 3: even if they haven't had a rhinoplasty.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: So I noticed that when I travel there. But there
Speaker 3: are places in each capital city here, Melbourne and Sydney
Speaker 3: where people definitely want to look done. Yes, parts of
Speaker 3: the West Coast of the United States as well, in
Speaker 3: different different jurisdictions, and people want to look done. So
Speaker 3: I say to them, that's fine, but I'm not your guy, yes,
Speaker 3: because I want to be doing a surgery that the
Speaker 3: person who meets you for the first time doesn't say
Speaker 3: what's wrong with your eyes? They just think, or even
Speaker 3: people to know you, they say, oh, you look refreshed. Yes.
Speaker 2: So I'm deep in the queer community. I'm surrounded by
Speaker 2: a lot of trans friends, and one thing they need
Speaker 2: in their gender affirmation is not need, but a lot
Speaker 2: of them require is surgery to make them feel more
Speaker 2: comfortable in their skin. But a big trend that's been
Speaker 2: happening is they're all flying either to Bang Kong or
Speaker 2: to Turkey or to hear or there. I believe it's
Speaker 2: just a budget thing because it's so expensive and I
Speaker 2: can not even imagine. But have you had to deal
Speaker 2: with many cases because one of my friends. For example,
Speaker 2: she went over to Bangkok. She was getting excess skin
Speaker 2: removed because she'd lost a lot of weight and she'd
Speaker 2: been saving up. I was so excited and she got
Speaker 2: severely infected. She was stuck over there for months and
Speaker 2: then had to come home. She couldn't work and work
Speaker 2: for so long. Have you had to deal with many
Speaker 2: cases from what's happened overseas? And what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the glamorization of we'll just go on a holiday.
Speaker 1: It's a package.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's going to get their hair transplant done.
Speaker 2: This that like, Oh I just book a one stop trip.
Speaker 2: They pick up from the airport. It's lovely, but is
Speaker 2: it well, Look.
Speaker 3: It's a massive industry and if complications occurre and a
Speaker 3: small percentage of people, how do you manage them. That's
Speaker 3: the most important thing about surgery. When you're choosing your surgeon,
Speaker 3: you need to feel comfortable that if there's something that
Speaker 3: goes wrong, they will be there to guide you through.
Speaker 3: They won't abandon you push you off to someone else.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't charge, it shouldn't cost anything if that happens,
Speaker 3: and so it's about being there to look after the issues.
Speaker 3: The trouble with medical tourism is once you have literally
Speaker 3: walked out that door, you're not their problem anymore. Patients
Speaker 3: I talk to can't get in touch again, they can't
Speaker 3: get someone to look at them, and they're on their
Speaker 3: own in a foreign country.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it seems like they even just chuck you
Speaker 2: straight like almost straight back on the plane. One more consultation,
Speaker 2: which is really dangerous, Yeah, because of the risk of
Speaker 2: DVTs bleeding and fluid leakage.
Speaker 3: Being at altitude. Because the pressure blood pressure stays the same,
Speaker 3: the cabin pressure goes down, so your blood pressure relatively
Speaker 3: is higher, So if you're going to bleed, that's the
Speaker 3: time you're going to bleed, and they put you on
Speaker 3: the plane and an off your shoot. Now, maybe just
Speaker 3: say ninety percent of people have no problems, that's great,
Speaker 3: But if you're one of the ten percent, it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what the success rate is elsewhere. You're on your own,
Speaker 3: and as your friend would, I suspect a test. It's
Speaker 3: a pretty lonely, harrowing place when there's nowhere to turn.
Speaker 3: If you're in a foreign country where you don't have
Speaker 3: an insurance system or reciprocation of rights, which a lot
Speaker 3: of those places you mentioned do not suddenly if you're
Speaker 3: having a big problem, it's on your travel insurance. Now
Speaker 3: do they even cover that stuff. A lot of them
Speaker 3: have exclusions for medical tourism. When you come back, you
Speaker 3: then either are in the public system some health if
Speaker 3: you have private insurance, they will exclude those sort of things.
Speaker 3: So it really it's a false economy. By the time
Speaker 3: you add in a trip, accommodation, medications, transport to and
Speaker 3: from the airport, and then all those risks on top,
Speaker 3: it's actually not cheaper to go to those destinations which
Speaker 3: ostensibly you're right, they packed them, so this is what
Speaker 3: you can do. The other thing they're doing is they're
Speaker 3: doing what we shouldn't be doing. One of the adages
Speaker 3: of plastic surgery is you should stage every operation, never
Speaker 3: do today what could be honorably left to do tomorrow.
Speaker 3: If you're doing say a whole body post weight loss,
Speaker 3: there might be arms, breastlift.
Speaker 1: Tummy tucket, fire, bang, bang, bang bang.
Speaker 3: They'll do sixteen seventeen hour operations, which are really dangerous.
Speaker 2: And the thing that scared me too is some of
Speaker 2: these people don't know I've gone. They have their consultation,
Speaker 2: like the same day they arrive, you have their consultation
Speaker 2: and then get cut open instantly.
Speaker 3: Horrific.
Speaker 2: I can understand the mentality to imagine if you were
Speaker 2: there and you're like, actually, I'm not sure about this,
Speaker 2: but I'm in a different country. I've already spent this money.
Speaker 2: I've told everyone I'm coming here to do this, so
Speaker 2: you just go ahead with it, which is.
Speaker 3: Well, you feel forced into us. Yeah, and if you talk.
Speaker 2: To especially when there's a language barrier on top of
Speaker 2: that as well.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent they're like, well, I've spent the money,
Speaker 3: now I'm sort of obliged to do it. But I
Speaker 3: think the big thing is that if you look at
Speaker 3: someone who's trained for ten or eighteen or twenty years
Speaker 3: to do something, and then you've had someone who's trained
Speaker 3: for six months or a year to do the same thing,
Speaker 3: you might be fine, right, if you're lucky, you might
Speaker 3: be fine. But what if you're one of that percentage
Speaker 3: of people who isn't fine? What happens? Then that's a
Speaker 3: question each person should be asking. I mean, the very
Speaker 3: simple thing is people should be asking, what are your qualifications?
Speaker 3: Are you actually a surgeon? You'd be surprised that some
Speaker 3: people in Australia who are allowed to trade as surgeons
Speaker 3: are not actually trained through the College of Surgeons. Really, yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of people are surprised by that. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of times I see people who say, well,
Speaker 3: I just assumed if they called themselves a surgeon, they
Speaker 3: were a plastic surgeon completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in your career, have you had to try and
Speaker 2: rectifie some hack jobs from overseas or local or is
Speaker 2: it happening everywhere?
Speaker 1: The hacked aratraumatic of me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it may be something where there's
Speaker 3: been a mishap that's inverted an unavoidable or there's something
Speaker 3: that is due to not being familiar and not being trained.
Speaker 3: About thirty percent of the work I do is where
Speaker 3: someone's had an operation before that you're not happy with. Now, look,
Speaker 3: patients might not be happy with my operation and they
Speaker 3: might go elsewhere. I wouldn't know about it. But the
Speaker 3: thing is the doors always open. I've had a few
Speaker 3: patients who had rhyino plasts in Turkey. Yes, I had
Speaker 3: unfortunate lady who I just said to look, I can't
Speaker 3: fix that. And the sad thing is she shows the
Speaker 3: before picture and she said, I just want this little
Speaker 3: hump gone.
Speaker 1: And she looked.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty nose, and now it looks like
Speaker 3: someone who's had a severe accident or something's happened. It's
Speaker 3: entirely collapsed. She can't breathe through it, and she hates
Speaker 3: it to the point that she still goes around wearing
Speaker 3: a COVID mask. Now she can't show herself in her eyes,
Speaker 3: she can't show herself in public. And she's gone back
Speaker 3: for two or three operations and now she comes in.
Speaker 3: The trouble is that the structure of the nose, the cartilage,
Speaker 3: is all collapsed in so the skin shrinks. So it's
Speaker 3: not just a matter of if you put the cart ledge back.
Speaker 3: You can take rib graphs sometimes, but the skin, once
Speaker 3: it's shrunk down, the pocket's shrunk, you can't put those
Speaker 3: in anymore unless you do something like import skin using
Speaker 3: microsurgery from the hand or from the forehead to replace
Speaker 3: that skin and start again. But the trouble is that's
Speaker 3: a huge operation. There's scars, and a lot of the
Speaker 3: things that have done overseas aren't what we would see
Speaker 3: is very regulated in terms of the standards know that.
Speaker 3: In some countries they call it the dolls nose, which
Speaker 3: is like that, yeah, now you definitely get sued in
Speaker 3: Australia if you did that. It's it's completely wrong to
Speaker 3: do that. But they come back with this because that's
Speaker 3: the local perception of what's attracted.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what it's going to say.
Speaker 2: It's like, is there some surgeons where you go in
Speaker 2: for something they're like, well no, they take the term
Speaker 2: artists a bit too far and they go, well, this
Speaker 2: is what I do and this is what this is
Speaker 2: what's best for you.
Speaker 1: That is that what happens. Look it shouldn't because it's like,
Speaker 1: do they.
Speaker 2: When you're a surgeon, do you essentially have a cv
Speaker 2: of surgeries you've done, like I did this and did this.
Speaker 1: Especially I guess now.
Speaker 2: In this social media world where surgeons are doing live
Speaker 2: surgeries on TikTok and they're putting their Instagram accounts and
Speaker 2: they want to show their work, is there more are
Speaker 2: they more pushed to be like all right, well I'm
Speaker 2: going to do this because this is what I.
Speaker 1: Want to show off. You know.
Speaker 3: I think it's what people sometimes, you know, the old
Speaker 3: saying if all you have is a hammer the whole
Speaker 3: world looks like a nail. Yes, sometimes people are rather
Speaker 3: than what I mentioned, tailoring the solutions to what the
Speaker 3: patients need. Yes, it's tailoring what they give the patient
Speaker 3: to what they can do.
Speaker 1: Get true.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about for a second for trends
Speaker 2: in cosmetic surgery. So I feel like for a long
Speaker 2: time was all the ladies want of their boobs done?
Speaker 2: And then I feel like the Kardashians happened and everyone
Speaker 2: wanted hips and bum and all of that. What have
Speaker 2: you seen over the years in terms of the trends
Speaker 2: of what's in and what's out.
Speaker 3: I think probably two things I've seen that have really changed.
Speaker 3: One is that look of being natural versus looking done,
Speaker 3: and that varies but goes in fits and starts, depending
Speaker 3: on things like the Kardashians. Now, one thing I've noticed
Speaker 3: in the last probably five years is breasts have changed
Speaker 3: in what people believe. There was a time when you know,
Speaker 3: if you look back in the sort of images of
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties and things huge breasts, I mean enormous
Speaker 3: implants that were clearly too big for that patient were trendy. Yes,
Speaker 3: and more and more now I'm noticing that people are
Speaker 3: coming in and they're saying, I want those implants out
Speaker 3: and I don't want anything back in What can you
Speaker 3: do for me?
Speaker 1: And that was that'd be full reconstructive as well.
Speaker 3: Well, that's it's a problem because what happens is you
Speaker 3: take out the implants and then they sag. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: the trouble is that the patients asleep, so they never
Speaker 3: see how much sag has been generated by taking out
Speaker 3: the implant, and they just see what you end up with,
Speaker 3: which is never as good as if they'd had nothing done.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to get creative. Yep, okay, because you
Speaker 2: know it was it was boobs, it was butts.
Speaker 1: What do you think is going to.
Speaker 2: Be the next hot ticket surgery that everyone's going to
Speaker 2: be knocking on your door or going, can I please
Speaker 2: have this? I'd say, what I reckon? I'm going to
Speaker 2: put my money on toe removal. I don't need to
Speaker 2: be balanced, but I could fit into a lot more
Speaker 2: shoes if I have these pes guitars.
Speaker 3: That's very interesting that you say that, because.
Speaker 1: No one's asked you to remove their toes before.
Speaker 2: Have they My.
Speaker 3: Favorite operation, just a secret, the favorite one to do.
Speaker 3: If I were doing a technical operation is what we
Speaker 3: call a tota hand transfer, and so is that what
Speaker 3: it's so someone if someone yeah, exactly what sounds like?
Speaker 3: You take the second toe and it surprisingly makes a
Speaker 3: really good digit on the hand. So the toe to
Speaker 3: hand transfer.
Speaker 1: What about an extra digit on the hand?
Speaker 3: I was up in Queensland with my family and the
Speaker 3: colas have two thumbs. Well, I was thinking how useful
Speaker 3: that onto something that useless? Second toe and give another thumb.
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Speaker 2: having an extra digit if you know what I mean.
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