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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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Speaker 1: now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the eighth of May.

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Speaker 1: I'm Zara Seidler, I'm Sam Kazlowski.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, you might have known that there was

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Speaker 2: a federal election here in Australia's I know. At that election,

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Speaker 2: you might also know that Labour won a significant majority,

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Speaker 2: while the Coalition had their standing in Parliament weakened considerably. Now,

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Speaker 2: whilst most of the media's attention has been on how

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Speaker 2: the major parties fared, in today's podcast, we're going to

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Speaker 2: shift focus a bit and talk about the biggest minor

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Speaker 2: party in Australia's Parliament, the Greens, and what their results

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Speaker 2: look like over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Before we jump into how the Greens did this year's

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Speaker 3: are I think it's so helpful to look at a

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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of chat about the Greens in

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Speaker 3: the Parliament that's just been Yeah, give me a sense

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Speaker 3: of the last term. Yeah, in terms of how the

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Speaker 3: Greens were placed in Australian politics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: That is a good place to start because I guess

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Speaker 2: what you end the last term of parliament with is

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Speaker 2: what you enter the election season with. So let's just

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Speaker 2: break it down quickly. Basically, what you need to know

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Speaker 2: is that the Greens had a really good election in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. They labeled their success at that election

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Speaker 3: Do you think we should agree that politics should introduce

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Speaker 3: some more creative you know, describing words than green slide,

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Speaker 2: Of movement of the earth. I've never actually thought about

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Speaker 1: And how they electure media.

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Speaker 2: So basically, again, as I said, really good election in

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Speaker 2: And so the Greens had quite a major role in

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Speaker 3: And leading up to the election, the party's leader, Adam

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Speaker 3: you know, they were really enthused by where they were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So on a policy front, I think it's difficult to,

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Speaker 2: it was pushed a lot on social media was their

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Speaker 3: We'll be back with the rest of the deep dive

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Speaker 3: after a quick message from our sponsor. And so that's

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Speaker 3: some of the contexts that built up to Saturday's vote.

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Speaker 3: Then Australians go to the polls. How did the Greens go?

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Speaker 2: I think the answer is basically that it was a

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Speaker 2: mixed bag for the Greens. The TLDR is that they

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Speaker 2: So according to the Australian Electoral Commission's results, the Greens

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Speaker 3: Okay, so best case scenario, they're going to come out

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Speaker 2: That's what it's looking like. Yeah. And when it comes

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Speaker 3: Which is a complicated idea actually make countersuity. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're totally right thinking you'd expect that

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Speaker 2: Under the preferential system, the candidate the finishes third will

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Speaker 3: And that's a really interesting new dynamic to some of

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Speaker 3: and that's the seat that was held by Adam Band.

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Speaker 2: Yes was being the operative term there.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday afternoon we found out that analysts are projecting,

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Speaker 2: He's held the seat of Melbourne since twenty ten and

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty remarkable election that there are two leaders

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to fact check myself live,

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Speaker 1: It's pretty rare.

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Speaker 3: And I think the Greens will be trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be a shock.

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Speaker 2: To them, definitely, and I mean it's clearly not the

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Speaker 3: I guess there is a little bit of good news

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is. There is better news for them where

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Speaker 2: the Senate this time around. Or that's what Adam Bant

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Speaker 2: and I know that this caveat is so boring. Counting continues,

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Speaker 2: things change. We don't know the overall composition of the House,

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Speaker 2: we do know though, is that the Greens perhaps did

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Speaker 3: It was interesting to hear some of the comments made

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Speaker 3: He was talking to Triple j's Dave Markesy yesterday for

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Speaker 3: spoke about the emotional side of that. But one thing

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Speaker 3: away from the Greens, he answered with that two party

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Speaker 3: phenomenon that you were talking about before, that when the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party and Liberal Party combined in their preferences and

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Speaker 3: much they didn't want the Greens to win. That that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely one to keep an eye on, and certainly

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