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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe.

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Speaker 2: It's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots.

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Speaker 1: Each week, I'll interview a different guest about their highs

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Speaker 1: as well as their lows, all in a bid to

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Speaker 1: inspire us to fearlessly fail. This episode is sponsored by

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Speaker 1: my car Tyron Auto. Today, I'm so excited I have

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Speaker 1: Jamie Block here, clinical psychologist, behavioral expert, and founder of

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Speaker 1: Mind Movers Psychology. Jamie, thanks for jumping on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me here.

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Speaker 1: I am really looking forward to unpacking grief and loss

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Speaker 1: with you. I know that sounds like a really heavy

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Speaker 1: thing to say say I'm really looking forward to this,

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Speaker 1: but in the it's specifically linked around natural disasters, So

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Yeah, no problem. I think that you know,

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Speaker 4: grief and loss is such a common thing that we

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Speaker 4: all have to go through. So whilst it might feel

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Speaker 4: like a heavy thing to discuss, I think a lot

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Speaker 4: of people get a lot from this today.

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Speaker 1: I think I think so, and you've just said so,

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Speaker 1: loss and grief is something that we all go through.

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Speaker 1: No one really gets to skip it, but I imagine we

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Speaker 1: all experience it and process it quite differently.

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Speaker 2: Can you help me unpack that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Whilst brief is this natural, complex emotional response, no two persons.

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Speaker 3: Grief is going to be similar.

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Speaker 4: And I think that this is where people kind of

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Speaker 4: get stuck because they might compare themselves to how other

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Speaker 4: people are processing things, especially in something like a natural disaster,

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Speaker 4: because it is so overt and obvious and you can

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Speaker 4: see how people are functioning. But it's not linear. It's

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Speaker 4: not going to be tracking a specific way. You know,

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Speaker 4: you might feel shock and then you might have denial,

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Speaker 4: Then you might feel angry, and then you might go.

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Speaker 3: Back to that shock, or you might then feel okay

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Speaker 4: There's just so many layers to this, and there's not

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Speaker 4: one way to grieve.

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Speaker 3: And it's more than just that you know, physical things

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Speaker 3: that we lose.

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Speaker 4: It's the safety, it's that security, it's the normalcy. So

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Speaker 4: there has this huge layered emotional aspect to it.

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Speaker 1: I was telling you when we first met that I

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Speaker 1: got to volunteer at the Byron. There was big Northern

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Speaker 1: Rivers Byron floods about two years ago, and the thing

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Speaker 1: I'd never experienced a natural disaster, ever lived through a

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Speaker 1: natural disaster before. But the thing that really kind of

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Speaker 1: like got to my heart was animals and animals being

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Speaker 1: like trapped under houses with floods. And in the end,

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Speaker 1: that was where I ended up being called to volunteer

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Speaker 1: because animals, to me, felt so hopeless and so I

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Speaker 1: guess especially as animal I know people listen to this

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Speaker 1: animal lovers, but I can only imagine like losing a

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Speaker 1: fairy friend would be so confronting, especially a natural disaster,

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Speaker 1: where you want your comfort, you want.

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Speaker 2: Your you know, your fairy bud. Is that something that's

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately it is.

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Speaker 4: And you know, when we're going through and we're in chaos,

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Speaker 4: we're feeling overwhelmed. We cling to and we want a

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Speaker 4: sense of normalcy, and those simple things like our pets

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Speaker 4: can really helps, you know, be an emotional anchor. They

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Speaker 4: provide that comfort, that companions there, that unconditional love, that

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Speaker 4: home comfort. You know, like even losing the ability to

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Speaker 4: don't have any power or not being able to you know,

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Speaker 4: get to your loved ones that are around the corner.

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Speaker 4: It's those really basic everyday home comforts, those things that

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Speaker 1: Totally, even for me, like this sounds really potentially entitled,

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Speaker 1: but like our local coffee shop, we all ended up

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Speaker 1: going volunteering and doing food stuff, but that meant everything

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Speaker 1: is this huge snowball kind of like effect. But I

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Speaker 1: do think there is this kind of like collective piece,

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Speaker 4: Think the most important thing is to remember that during

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Speaker 4: and those things can bring hope and that sense of

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Speaker 3: Situation because you see.

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Speaker 4: You know your neighbors, you know that local coffee shop person,

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Speaker 4: the people that you might have just been ships in

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Speaker 3: Know they become the people you cling to.

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Speaker 4: They become the hope, they become the resilience, and that community,

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Speaker 4: that sense of belonging, being able to give back and

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Speaker 4: support others who might have not have been so lucky.

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Speaker 4: Like in your experience, you could just move there and

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Speaker 4: then you know you were volunteering and helping people find

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Speaker 4: their animals. It's these things that really bring community together,

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Speaker 4: and it also gives you that sense of hope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And something that came through for me that I

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Speaker 1: didn't expect was like this sense of purpose of just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Northern River Rivers called the mud Army, and everybody essentially

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Speaker 1: just literally j They just rock up to their local

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Speaker 1: community hall. So there was one in like Bangalore, Nuruba,

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Speaker 1: and you just get told where to go. So you

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Speaker 1: get told okay, so and so needs water. These guys

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Speaker 1: it was so it was it was so nice being

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Speaker 1: part of although it was a tragic thing to be

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Speaker 1: and so as weird as this question is, is there

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Speaker 1: all where we feel like we're kind of working towards

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Speaker 4: A psychological level, where social beings social connection is so

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Speaker 4: essential to humanity. Like if we just look at COVID

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Speaker 4: so much was this loss of connection, this ability to

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Speaker 4: in these disasters, you know that human inherent social being

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Speaker 4: It's not just that I'm going to physically survive, it's

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Speaker 4: that emotional survival leaning on each other. And that's so

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Speaker 4: important to be able to talk to your friend, to

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Speaker 4: reduces feelings of isolation. It reminds us of our resilience,

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Speaker 4: It gives us a reason to just continue to keep going,

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Speaker 4: and community just goes beyond you know, that immediate after

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Speaker 4: you know, you imagine that in your experience, think of

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Speaker 4: all the memorials or the things that happened, even in

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Speaker 4: probably felt being in that community.

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Speaker 2: Completely. You're completely right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a weird kind of beautiful feeling,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. It's kind of like this weird

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Speaker 1: each other. And it's this It really made me realize

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Speaker 1: like having been a city girl moving to more of

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Speaker 1: felt like this sense of like we've got each other's back,

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Speaker 1: and you just touched on resilience and I think that, like,

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Speaker 1: resilience is such.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful value and peace. But like when you've

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Speaker 1: got it as a collective, how powerful is that you

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Speaker 1: can move mountains?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: It really is, And I think part of healing no

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Speaker 4: matter what brief or loss or how big or small

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Speaker 4: that might feel to us. We want to make meaning

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Speaker 3: A community helps us heal because we can.

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Speaker 4: Make meaning out of something that doesn't make any sense,

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Speaker 4: like a natural disaster, like why did this happen?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Why have all these horrible things happened? When we can

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Speaker 4: be together, when we can heal together and support another

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Speaker 4: and be outside of self, it really helps our extrinsic

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, big, and you touched on earlier, like you

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Speaker 1: this concept, but like survivor's guilt, so like potentially seeing

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 4: I think also the other thing that people forget is

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Speaker 4: that you don't have to be directly affected by a

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Speaker 4: that process. Watching someone's trauma is equal to ex experiencing

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Speaker 4: it yourself. And part of survivors guilt, especially to a

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Speaker 4: natural disaster, is you know, feeling or experiencing that you

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Speaker 4: have less of a loss than another person. I mean,

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Speaker 4: and bad about that. You know that survivor's guilt especially

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Speaker 4: is powerful. Someone feels that, you know, they could have

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Speaker 4: done more for a neighbor or for someone like I

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Speaker 4: should have you know, said hello to them on the weekend,

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Speaker 4: or I should have done this, And that can be

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Speaker 1: And is this when you were teaching me about this

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Speaker 1: last time we spoke about that secondhand survivor's guilt?

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Speaker 2: Is that what that is?

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Speaker 1: Because I did not know that was even a term

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Speaker 1: until you taught me, so, thank you.

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Speaker 2: But is that is that what you're referring to?

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Speaker 4: It is and it's just that reality that you know

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Speaker 4: because you're feeling guilty or mine, I be feeling traumatized

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Speaker 4: mean that you don't care about other people's suffering or

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Speaker 3: Is worse or not worse than another person.

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Speaker 1: That was actually one of the most Like we'd go

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Speaker 1: if somebody is going through something that is stressful, grief

445
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Speaker 1: loss and like it can be loss of a pet,

446
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: like animals are little love bugs, you know, and so like,

447
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: what can we do to support ourselves?

448
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Speaker 4: Look, I think the first thing is, you know what

449
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Speaker 4: you said, taking care of yourself. But a lot of

450
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 4: people feel like they don't know how to do that,

451
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 4: you know, because we're so busy, as you said, there's

452
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Speaker 4: so many things going on with might have lost our

453
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Speaker 4: ability to sell soothe or to self care, Like you know,

454
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Speaker 4: when we're little, we might have our comforters or our

455
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Speaker 4: little items. It's easier to know what to do. But

456
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 4: when we're older, we kind of lose touch with that.

457
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Speaker 4: So it's really important to go to the back to

458
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Speaker 4: the basics. What makes you feel safe? What helps you,

459
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Speaker 4: you know, feel secure, what helps you process? When you're processing,

460
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 4: you want to be in an environment where you're allowing

461
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Speaker 4: your feelings to just be allowing yourself to feel so

462
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Speaker 4: you need to be able to have an environment, whether

463
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Speaker 4: it's like going to the beach and sitting and watching

464
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Speaker 4: the waves, or having a bath, or sitting in your

465
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Speaker 4: room or calling a loved one. You need to have

466
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Speaker 4: your ritual, your process that helps you connect back to

467
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Speaker 4: that sense of safety and that sense of soothing so

468
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Speaker 4: you can sit with yourself in your emotions, allow them

469
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Speaker 4: to be, not judge them, just be like, oh, you know,

470
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Speaker 4: that's that feeling of loss, or that's that feeling of sadness,

471
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Speaker 4: and allowing it to have space inside of you. Because

472
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Speaker 4: if you swallow your feelings and you just keep pushing forward,

473
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Speaker 4: they're not going anywhere. It's like stagnant water. It molds

474
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Speaker 4: and festers inside of you and it's going to come

475
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Speaker 4: out in other areas. So if there's one thing people

476
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Speaker 4: get from this message todays, I want you, no matter

477
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Speaker 4: what you're experiencing, to learn to sit with your big

478
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Speaker 4: feelings because.

479
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Speaker 3: You need to. They're not scary. They're there to help you.

480
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Speaker 4: They're there to help you grow and to help you

481
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Speaker 4: work out what's going on. Remember, feelings are just signals

482
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Speaker 4: from our body of how of what we need. You know,

483
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Speaker 4: just like a car that shines. You know that petrol

484
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Speaker 4: any petrol. You know that sadness is just telling you

485
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Speaker 4: that you're feeling a sense of loss, It lost something important.

486
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Speaker 4: Honor that, honor what that important thing is. Find something

487
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Speaker 4: to help you process that feeling. Feelings are not the enemy.

488
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Speaker 4: They're actually what help us heal.

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Speaker 1: That's so it's actually really empowering to hear that as somebody.

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Speaker 1: I'm thirty nine now, but I spent my twenties emotionally eating.

491
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Speaker 2: My feelings, and it took a lot of work.

492
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Speaker 1: And a lot of mental health work to be like, actually,

493
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Speaker 1: if I just sit with this really uncomfortable thing right

494
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Speaker 1: now and like embrace feeling uncomfortable or feeling grief or

495
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Speaker 1: sadness or loss or self.

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Speaker 2: Doubt or fear or you know, like or rejection a big.

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Speaker 1: One living in la as an actor, and I just

498
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Speaker 1: it's so much nicer to sit with that discomfort and

499
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Speaker 1: let it almost like move through you, because you almost

500
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Speaker 1: it's almost like each time you do that, you get

501
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Speaker 1: a little gift at the end of it, whether it's

502
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Speaker 1: like a little bit of understanding or a little bit

503
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Speaker 1: of like, oh, you know, okay, the reason why that

504
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Speaker 1: failure happened is because I wasn't skilled enough for this.

505
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Speaker 1: I'm going to skill up or I'm going to get

506
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Speaker 1: help next time in a scenario like that.

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Speaker 2: And it's actually kind.

508
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Speaker 1: Of a weird way to build your toolkit of things

509
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Speaker 1: that help serve you so that you get to grow

510
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Speaker 1: and learn from those discomforts.

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Speaker 2: Would you agree?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I call it the lose loose cycle. It's like you're going,

514
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Speaker 4: you know, life gives us pain.

515
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Speaker 3: We can't avoid pain.

516
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Speaker 4: Pain happens, But then when we add the layers of suffering,

517
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Speaker 4: we just we're already in this lose feeling and then

518
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Speaker 4: we just lose more because we're not processing or we're

519
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Speaker 4: not sitting with when in reality, you know, when we're

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Speaker 4: willing to be in our feelings, that's when the beauty happens.

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Speaker 4: You know, for example, with that fear of rejection, which

522
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Speaker 4: I love, in order to be successful, you have to

523
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Speaker 4: accept that failure as part of that process. Like I

524
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Speaker 4: might be successful, I might fail, but if you choose

525
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Speaker 4: not to do something, you one hundred percent fail. So

526
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Speaker 4: why not just try? Yeah, you know, or why not

527
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Speaker 4: just sit in that feeling? You know what, Like you

528
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Speaker 4: only have to lose when you don't process, or you

529
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Speaker 4: don't express, or you don't talk, or you don't do

530
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Speaker 4: that thing that you were thinking of doing.

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Speaker 1: Oh mate, yes, yes, you preach into the choir, right,

532
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Speaker 1: I am such a I just I think that as

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Speaker 1: soon as you feel the feels, but also like get

534
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Speaker 1: the support to feel the feels if you need, Like

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Speaker 1: I personally like the support and the non buy opinion.

536
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: And they're like, because I'm a hamster wheel girly, like,

537
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Speaker 1: I'll jump on that hamster.

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Speaker 2: Wheel and ruminate and ruminate and ruminate.

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Speaker 1: And so like for me having the tools to be like, yes,

540
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Speaker 1: to sit with it, but to process it and be like, Okay,

541
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Speaker 1: that really crappy thing happened because I might have been

542
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Speaker 1: a bit naive in that scenario or oh yeah, I

543
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Speaker 1: didn't get that acting job because I'm brunette now and

544
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: they wanted a blonde and that's actually not a big deal.

545
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Speaker 1: Cool like, and I think like having those tools to

546
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Speaker 1: understand what's going on as because I think we can

547
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Speaker 1: do this thing, we build it up in our heads

548
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Speaker 1: as like something's wrong with me, it's a weird thing

549
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: us humans do my and I could talk to about

550
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Speaker 1: this all right long, but question around like supporting others,

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Speaker 1: Like if you've got a friend that's going through something,

552
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Speaker 1: and like, that's how I found therapy talk therapy with

553
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Speaker 1: a psychologist. Was that someone saw me go through a

554
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Speaker 1: breakup that I just couldn't get over.

555
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Speaker 2: I couldn't move past it.

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Speaker 1: And a friend was like, I got to go and

557
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Speaker 1: get some help, mate, and I was like, no, it

558
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: means there's something wrong with me. I had that kind

559
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: of like weird stigma around. It never looks back. I

560
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Speaker 1: go every two weeks. Now Jamie, it's nine years later.

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Speaker 3: It's the best or to add quickly. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That on that talk of when we were talking about

563
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Speaker 4: as sitting in your feelings, some people, especially in grief

564
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Speaker 4: and loss, sit too much in their feelings and they

565
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: can't move out of that stagnant feeling. It's important to

566
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: be able to just be able to go back to

567
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Speaker 4: the basics and just you know, get out of bed,

568
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Speaker 4: brush your hair, get ready for the day, brush your teeth.

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Speaker 4: It's those small things, just like we were talking about

570
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Speaker 4: in natural disasters, just doing one little thing always is

571
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Speaker 4: going to set you back up on that getting back

572
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Speaker 4: out their trade. But in terms of what you're saying,

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Speaker 4: I think the best advice I can give people is

574
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Speaker 4: that you have to meet people where they're at and

575
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: where their next step is, not where you think they

576
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 4: should be and where their next step should be in

577
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: your mind, because everyone in life is on their own journey.

578
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: And for some people, you know, it might take them

579
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Speaker 4: ten fifty twenty years to get to therapy, or they

580
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 4: may never go to therapy. They may still be on

581
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Speaker 4: own that hamster will and we might feel frustrated if

582
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Speaker 4: we're kind of enlightened people that have been going to

583
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Speaker 4: therapy and see it as this coaching thing, which is great.

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Speaker 4: You know, someone that's going to support you being up

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Speaker 4: to them and being the best you can be. But

586
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Speaker 4: if you have that loved one who is maybe old

587
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: school or who sees therapy as this there's something wrong

588
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: with me, you just have to meet them where they're at.

589
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: Maybe it's sending them an Instagram account that has some

590
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: cool message in it. Maybe they need to go do

591
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: their own work. Maybe it's going to do a breath

592
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: workshop or going to serve more whatever thing that they need.

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Speaker 3: That tool to support them. That's okay as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love Yeah, I think you're right, and I

595
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Speaker 1: think as well, but I wonder if you find this

596
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Speaker 1: as well. But like being in the health and wellness space,

597
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: there are obviously so many different modalities that can look

598
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Speaker 1: after our mental health or like you've mentioned a few times,

599
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Speaker 1: self soothing, and that can look different for different people, right,

600
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Speaker 1: And it's just it's cool because like it's not a

601
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Speaker 1: one shoe fits all kind of scenario like I imagine,

602
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: because where all nuanced different human beings.

603
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Speaker 2: It's like what works for you.

604
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: Jamie might be different for me, and vice versa. And

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Speaker 1: it's kind of I love that you say meeting people

606
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Speaker 1: where they're at, because it's easy once you've had a

607
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Speaker 1: good result with something, say, for example, breath work or meditation,

608
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Speaker 1: for you to then be like quick, go do this thing.

609
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Speaker 1: And so it's like, hang on, but that might look

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Speaker 1: different for someone else or feel different for someone else.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I like that advice around, you know, meet

612
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Speaker 1: people with where they're at, coming to do Yeah, I know, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm a triple virgo mate, so like I'm a big

614
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Speaker 1: believer in, like this thing works, go do it. I

615
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Speaker 1: guess coming back to natural disasters, I guess I want

616
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Speaker 1: to know, like, and I think you I've totally touched

617
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Speaker 1: on this, but in these times of need, when it

618
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Speaker 1: does feel like the chips are down, is it just like,

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Speaker 1: I guess what I want to know is like what people

620
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Speaker 1: need in a real simple form, Is it just that

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Speaker 1: feeling of security, connection, community?

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Speaker 3: It is as simple as that.

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Speaker 4: Once you you know, like when you're in obviously a crisis,

624
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Speaker 4: even at the aftermath, so once you know you've gone

625
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: and you know, done the cleanups and everything like that,

626
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: it's really important to find meaning.

627
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Speaker 3: And we find meaning through supporting others.

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Speaker 4: Just as you just said, you're this triple virgo and

629
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Speaker 4: you want to be like, go do this, go do this.

630
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Speaker 4: You're doing that because you're an empathetic, caring person and

631
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: you want other people not to suffer, and you want

632
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Speaker 4: them to instead of going the route from A to

633
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Speaker 4: Z that you probably did, you want them to just

634
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Speaker 4: go A to B. So you're trying to help them,

635
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Speaker 4: you know. So the most important thing that we can

636
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Speaker 4: do is to support other people, being part of initiatives,

637
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: being part of the community. That is what helps our resilience,

638
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: that's what helps our hope. It's that connectedness, that togetherness

639
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: that give them back, like there is no better feeling

640
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: than being able to use your experience and help someone else.

641
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Speaker 3: And that's probably why you've created this podcast.

642
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, you've just nailed my motto for

643
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: the like what I want for the pod.

644
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Speaker 1: I have to ask you because the reason this chat

645
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: is happening is thanks to My Car Today. They've got

646
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Speaker 1: an incredible initiative. Can you share a little bit around it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

648
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: Of course, My Car has this amazing initiative which they

649
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: call the Charges and.

650
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: Essentially it's to help communities in need.

651
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Speaker 4: In my car, tin Auto is launching a trial called

652
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Speaker 4: the My Car Chargers, and the initiative is about helping

653
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Speaker 4: people in communities that have no power with electric vehicles

654
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Speaker 4: that can use their power to help charge things like

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Speaker 4: a phone and a kettle to give people that sense

656
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: of normalcy and give back to community and help them

657
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: feel that sense of safety and connection.

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Speaker 3: Again, how cool, Like I.

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Speaker 1: Said, that was one of the most common things that

660
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Speaker 1: people ask for. They just needed power us they could

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Speaker 1: charge their phone or like heat up some water and

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Speaker 1: you forget about it, like baby's.

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Speaker 2: Bottles need to be warm.

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Speaker 1: Little little just little things that it's so powerful and

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Speaker 1: what a great initiative, especially when we need like, the

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Speaker 1: big thing that I've learned from today's chatter is we need, yes,

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Speaker 1: that connection, yes that community, but we also need to

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Speaker 1: feel safe and secure. And I think that that would

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Speaker 1: bring a sense of like helping with nearly all three

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Speaker 1: of the big things that we need, don't you reckon?

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Speaker 3: It does?

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Speaker 4: And if you think about even just like the basicsity

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Speaker 4: sort of babies and children, you know, they're new to

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Speaker 4: the world. They have been untouched by judgment and in

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Speaker 4: a criticism and all the things that we all experience

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Speaker 4: as adults. The basic need of a baby is a

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Speaker 4: sense of safety, and we get that through connection. We

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Speaker 4: get that through feeling a sense of normalcy and routine.

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Speaker 4: And how do we get that after a natural disaster.

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Speaker 4: We'll just base things like being able to access power,

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Speaker 4: to charge your phone, call a loved one, have a

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Speaker 4: cup of tea, you know, being able to warm that

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Speaker 4: baby's bottle. All these things are so important. They're little

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Speaker 4: steps towards healing. And it's not going to be the

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Speaker 4: only thing that's going to help support a community and healing,

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Speaker 4: but it's a step forward and it's going to help

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Speaker 4: people get back to normal.

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Speaker 1: Scene final question for you, dear friend, what's your like,

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Speaker 1: what's your dream? You're already doing amazing stuff out in

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Speaker 1: the world, and you've been such a dream to research.

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Speaker 2: What's the dream for Jamie?

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Speaker 3: The dream for me?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I created my personal Instagram account at

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Speaker 4: my mover's side, and I just want to give back

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Speaker 4: to the community. I can see that, you know, as

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Speaker 4: I said too, so many people would never go to therapy,

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Speaker 4: and I wanted to bring therapy to parents and to

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Speaker 4: help families and to support them through all different.

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Speaker 3: Types of crises.

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Speaker 4: And that's my dream, to be able to give back,

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Speaker 4: to help people read something, hear something it just sparks

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Speaker 4: something inside of them that will send them down their

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Speaker 4: own journey of self reflection and change and to realize

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Speaker 4: that we're not all perfect and that we are all

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Speaker 4: on a journey, and that it's just about growing and

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Speaker 4: learning and learning to love ourselves and then learn to

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Speaker 4: love others and to give back.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jamie, you've been a beautiful pod guest today. I

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Speaker 1: hope you do more pods or start your own something cool.

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Speaker 1: I think for maybe one of the other You're beautiful

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Speaker 1: to interview and just answered so beautifully. But also you

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Speaker 1: taught me loads, and I'm already like drinking the cool agg.

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Speaker 1: I love mental health and I love therapy, and I

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Speaker 1: just think it's so I call it my superpower to

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Speaker 1: be honest, and so uperpower, isn't it. It's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: for me, so important. So thank you for sharing so

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Speaker 1: much of yourself and your knowledge today. Big thank you

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Speaker 1: to my car, tire and Auto for making this happen.

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Speaker 2: And for connecting you and me. I feel like I've

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Speaker 2: made a mate today, So thank you very.

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Speaker 3: Much, definitely, and I hope that I can be on

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Speaker 3: again sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Thanks mate.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank you to our.

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Speaker 1: Guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at

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