1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily Oh, this 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of September. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Lucy from tomorrow. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: If you're a New South Wales resident aged eighteen to 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: forty nine, and you've been taking the contraceptive pill for 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: two years, you'll be able to get it from a 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: trained pharmacist without looking into CUGP more than once a year. 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: And New South Wales is not alone. Most of the 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: country is now trialing similar approaches and extending it to 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: other medications like treatments for UTIs and exma. In today's 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: deep dive, we'll explain what's driven this push to give 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: pharmacists more power over everyday medications and what it means 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: for you. But first, Sarah, what's making headlines. 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: A joint statement from twelve countries, including Australia, has called 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: for an immediate twenty one day ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel. 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: The statement said the situation is quote intolerable and presents 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: an unacceptable risk of a broader regional escalation. This is 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: in nobody's interests neither of the people of Israel nor 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: the people of Lebanon. According to the Group of Nations, 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: a diplomatic settlement must be met that can quote enable 23 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: civilians on both sides of the border to return to 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: their homes in safety. 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: New data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: job vacancies are the lowest they've been in two years. 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: The ABS defines job vacancies as employee jobs that are 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: available for immediate filling, and uses this figure as an 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: indicator of unmet labor demand. According to the ABS, there 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: were three hundred and thirty thousand job vacancies in August 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, down by eighteen thousand from may. 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: New York City Mayor Eric Adams has become the first 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: sitting mayor to face criminal charges in the city's history. 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: The New York Times first reported that Adams had been indicted, 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: before he later confirmed that he was expecting to be 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: charged following a long running corruption investigation. It comes after 37 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: many senior staffers in his administration have resigned in recent weeks. 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: In a video after the New York Times report, Adams 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: said that any charges against him would be quote based 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: on lies and confirmed he would continue to lead as 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: mayor of the city. 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: And today's good news. Scientists have found a new species 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: of ghost shark that lives exclusively in waters of Australia 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: and New Zealand. Closely related to sharks and rays, ghost 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: sharks are an extremely rare type of fish found deep 46 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: in the ocean. While all ghost sharks around the world 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: were thought to be the same species, the newly discovered 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: Australasian narrow nosed spookfish is genetically different to its cousins. 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Doctor britt Finucci from New Zealand's National in Institute of 50 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: Water and Atmospheric Research led to the team who made 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: the discovery. Finucci gave the fish a scientific name, Harriota Avia. 52 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Avia means grandmother in Latin. The name was given in 53 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: honor of the research as late grandmother, who, she said, 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: quote proudly supported me through my career as a scientist. 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so, Lucy oral contraception aka the pill, We're just 56 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: going to call it the pill from here on in. 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: It's been available to Ossie's for sixty three years now, 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: so statistically most of us really don't know what adult 59 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: life is without the pill, and for most of that time, 60 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: accessing the pills being this matter of seeing the GP 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: every so often and getting a script, then getting that 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: script filled at the pharmacy. 63 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: But that is now changing. Talk to me about it. 64 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. That is now changing across the country, but 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: specifically from tomorrow in New South Wales. It's what I 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: would call the biggest development in our relationship with the 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: pill since it went on the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme, the BBS, 68 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: which subsidizes medications. That happened in nineteen seventy two. Before that, 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the pill was subject to a thirty percent luxury tax 70 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: and I think. 71 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: Got a luxury tax. Exactually, what a luxury? Your child? 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: What a luxury? 73 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: Well, at that time it really was a luxury. And 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: I think that shows you how our relationship with the 75 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: pill has changed, that it's become something that had a 76 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: hefty luxury tax to something that is such a necessity 77 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: that governments around the country are working to find ways 78 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: to make it easier and less complicated and more straightforward 79 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: and less of an issue to access. Is really what 80 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, taking up less time out of 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: our week really, so from tomorrow, certain people in New 82 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: South Wales, so if you're aged eighteen to forty nine 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: and you've been taking the pill for two years. You'll 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: only need to see your GP once a year to 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: get your prescription renewed, and the rest of the time 86 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: pharmacists those who carry out special training can dispense it 87 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: to you. 88 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: Okay, tak me through how this change came about, because 89 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, as you intimated earlier, there hasn't been that 90 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: much change in this area for quite a while now, 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: So how did this happen. 92 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: I'll talk about New South Wales specifically first and then 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: we'll get to the rest of the country later. But 94 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: the first we heard of this idea in New South 95 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Wales where we are is right before the state election 96 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: last year. So February twenty twenty three, the then coalition 97 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: government led by Dominic Perrote made an election promise to 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: trial allowing quote pharmacists to renew prescriptions for the contraceptive pill. 99 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: So that's really the first we heard of it at 100 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: this state level. The coalition did go on to lose 101 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: that election, but the idea stuck around and in September 102 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: last year, the new government, the Labor government, announced almost 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: one thousand pharmacies were eligible to dispense the pill without 104 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: a prescription to those aged eighteen to thirty five, again 105 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: with that same caveat of if you've been prescribed it 106 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: in the last two years. That trial which lasted a 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: year so September to September where we are now, women 108 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: only paid the cost of the medication. 109 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so they weren't paying any other costs, for example, 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: that they would have been with a GP previously. What 111 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: was the reasoning that the government gave for this trial, 112 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: Because it's interesting that this is one of those moments 113 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: where there does seem to be this bipartisan support. It 114 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: was first floaded as an idea by the former liberal 115 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Premier Dom Perrote, but carried through by Labor Premier Chris Mins. 116 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: What are they saying is the reason behind this? 117 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: So when Perrote announced this election promise, he said it 118 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: was partly motivated by quote, making it easier and quicker 119 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: for people, particularly women, to access important prescription medications and treatments. 120 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: So making it easier to access. But governments don't tend 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: to do things just because it will make our lives easier. 122 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: They have to have other reasons. And another really important 123 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: reason that they gave was reducing strain on GPS over 124 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. The Royal Australian College of 125 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: General Practitioners RACGP that the peak body for GPS has 126 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: really repeatedly flagged gps are overworked and burnt out. 127 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: And we've spoken about that so many times on this 128 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: podcast before we've spoken to GPS so are saying, you know, 129 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: they just don't have enough hours in the day to 130 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: get the work done exactly. 131 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: That's on top of the difficulty that lots of TDA 132 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: readers and listeners have also told us that they've had 133 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: difficulty finding gps who bulk bill, they have difficulty getting 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: into see a doctor when they need to. So that really, 135 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, it makes sense if GPS are saying we're 136 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: having trouble getting to see everyone, and people are saying 137 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: we're having trouble getting into see doctors. So that's also 138 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: particularly true for people in regional and rural areas. According 139 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: to a government report last month, people in those areas 140 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: face a significant shortfall of GPS in the coming years. 141 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: It's only going to get worse year on year. 142 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: Okay, And so then was the logic that if a 143 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: woman doesn't have to go to her GP every so 144 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: often to get that script renewed, but rather could do 145 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: it at the pharmacy. That that would free up the 146 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: GP for other work. Is that what was the logic? 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: That was the logic? 148 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Yes, And that it also would make it easier for 149 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: rural and regional people to quote get the help they 150 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: need without having to drive a long way to see 151 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: a GP who maybe doesn't have an appointment for three weeks. 152 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And so those are the reasons why the 153 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: Government of the day and the previous coalition government both. 154 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: Thought that this was a good idea. 155 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: What about the other side, what are some of the 156 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: downfalls perhaps of this sort of policy. 157 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: So despite this being pitched as something that will help GPS, 158 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: the RACGP actually opposed this trial when it was first announced. 159 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: They suggested there wasn't enough information about how patients would 160 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: be kept safe. Another peak body, the Australian Medical Association, 161 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: which represents all doctors, not just GPS, campaigned against the 162 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: trial and others like it in other states, saying it 163 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: quote put patients at risk. 164 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: I know that one of the other ideas that I'd 165 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: heard was that you know, this is also revenue that's 166 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: then not going to GPS. Because those appointments are drying 167 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: up that some gps are complaining about the fact that 168 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: they then won't be able to, you know, have those 169 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: regular appointments that created some sort of revenue for their 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: practices exactly. 171 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: So those are some of the concerns about this trial specifically. 172 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: Of course, we. 173 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Should mention that there are and continue to be concerns 174 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: about the pill itself. Yeah, TDA listeners have told us 175 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: many times before about things like Migrain's, hormonal imbalances or 176 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: mental ill health that they traced back to taking the pill. 177 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: New South Wales Health's website notes that low risk pills, 178 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: the kind that can be dispensed under this trial that's 179 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: been made permanent, which can contain quote only small amounts 180 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: of estrogen, have been linked to a low risk of 181 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: blood clots and stroke. 182 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: Okay, And so with all of that said, with you know, 183 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: the risks of the pill obviously identified, but also the 184 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: fore and against about trial, we now know that the 185 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: government has moved to make it permanent. So if I 186 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: am someone who tomorrow Saturday want to go and get 187 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: the pill, what does that look like? 188 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: So you need to have been taking it for two 189 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: years and you need to find a pharmacy that has 190 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: a pharmacist that's taken the government's training to be able 191 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: to dispense the pill. If someone has been prescribed a 192 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: certain type of contraception by a doctor, a pharmacist won't 193 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: be able to change the kind that you're taking. 194 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: Okay. 195 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: So if I have been on a certain pill for 196 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: a year and a half and I want to change that, 197 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: I'd still need to go back to the GP to 198 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: get that script changed, yes, okay, And so then how 199 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: often would I then have to go to the GP 200 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: if not for that scenario? 201 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: So every twelve months, once a year is how often 202 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: you'd be going back to the GP to renew your 203 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: overall script. Then when you go to the pharmacist, now 204 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: that the trial has been made permanent, you'll be paying 205 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: what the government expects to be around twenty to thirty 206 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: dollars for a consultation with a pharmacist, and then you'll 207 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: also be paying for the medication. 208 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: What have pharmacists said about this? 209 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: I think I probably know the answer, but you know 210 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: now knowing as well that they will be paid for 211 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: that consultation as well, now that the trial is over. 212 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: What have we heard from the pharmacists themselves. 213 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Pharmacists are in favor of the trial being made permanent. 214 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: The Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, which is the industry's peak 215 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: professional body, supported the measure. It's nytoth Wales's president, Luke 216 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: Kelly called it quote an important step kind of cementing 217 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: the role of community pharmacies in providing support to patients. 218 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: Now, Lucy, we've been speaking about the pills specifically because 219 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: you know there is this big announcement from tomorrow. But 220 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: I have read and heard about not just the pill 221 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: being accessible in these sorts of scenarios. What do we 222 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: know about the other medications that people can access in 223 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: this sort of way going through the pharmacy rather than 224 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: through a GP. 225 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: You're right, the pill is not the only one. Under 226 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: a similar pro New South Wales, pharmacists who've completed a 227 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: special training can dispense medication for uncomplicated UTIs to women 228 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: who are eighteen to sixty five who haven't had one recently. 229 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: Interesting and under another trial, trained pharmacists can dispense some 230 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: medications to some people without a prescription for skin conditions 231 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: including exma and impetaigo. 232 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: Okay, and there's New South Wales because I think we've 233 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: only spoken about New South Wales so far, is that 234 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: the only state or territory where these trials are taking place. 235 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: So across the country, states and territories are undergoing trials 236 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: or have made these things permanent. In Wa, it's women 237 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 1: aged eighteen to thirty nine who can get a resupply 238 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: of the pill without seeing a GP more than once 239 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: a year. In South Australia, the same applies for those 240 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: aged seventeen to forty. In Tazi, for women aged sixteen 241 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: to fifty if you've taken it for two years. In 242 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: the Act, there's an ongoing trial for those aged eighteen 243 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: to thirty five, and a trial in Victoria for those 244 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: aged sixteen to fifty actually wraps up next month. Many 245 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: of those states also have similar programs for UTIs and 246 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: skin conditions, like New South Wales. Really leading the charge 247 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: here is Queensland, where a trial is underway allowing pharmacists 248 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: to prescribe, not just dispense, the pill to women and 249 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: girls older than sixteen. The state government said this is 250 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: aimed at making it easier for women in rural and 251 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: regional areas to manage their reproductive health. It is still 252 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: a trial, so we'll have to wait and see what 253 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: the results are. 254 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: Lucie, thank you so much for joining us on today's pod, 255 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: and thank you for listening to another week of The 256 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: Daily Os. 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