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Speaker 1: Podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Now this next artist needs no introduction, but we're going

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Speaker 2: to give it one anyway. Dance Monkey broke the all

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Speaker 2: time record for the longest running number one ever on Spotify.

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Speaker 2: It also spent a record breaking twenty four weeks at

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Speaker 2: number one on the ARIA charts.

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Speaker 3: Saw Monkey.

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Speaker 2: She's a full time ARIA Award winner, an ex basker,

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Speaker 2: a basketball lover, and a dead set ossie superstar. She's

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Speaker 2: here to talk exclusively to the boys. Please welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show, Tones and I.

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Speaker 4: Hey, welcome the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, right, no worries.

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Speaker 3: Now do we go?

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Speaker 4: Do we go with Tones?

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Speaker 3: We've got?

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Speaker 4: I mean, your real name is Tony. I feel I

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Speaker 4: feel a little bit weird calling it Tones, but would

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Speaker 4: you prefer that? Mate?

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Speaker 3: Well, everyone calls me Tones forever, so that's kind of

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Speaker 3: why I'm Tones and I.

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Speaker 4: You're sticking with it, all right? Sound that sounds raz

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to break the trend. Hey, Tones. I

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Speaker 4: saw recently, Mate, that you bought a really delish pad

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Speaker 4: down on the Mornington Peninsula. I know you grew updown

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Speaker 4: in Mount Martha. Can you talk us through? I mean,

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Speaker 4: like just I saw photos of the place and I

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Speaker 4: was like, jeez. Tone seems like a really cool chick.

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Speaker 4: Did you do anything outrageous when you had the first

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Speaker 4: party there? Like did you go for the richie riche

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Speaker 4: quad bikes? Or given that you're from the peninsula, did

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Speaker 4: you put jet skis in the pool? I mean, what

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Speaker 4: happened there?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would like to say all of the above. However,

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Speaker 3: I have been quarantining so unfortunately. I think the main

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Speaker 3: thing that I've been doing is is like trying to

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Speaker 3: not see my friends, which is hard when you're on

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Speaker 3: a world tour and you come back to it and

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Speaker 3: you can't see anyone. But you know what's hitting up

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Speaker 3: after all of this, and we can have this discussion

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Speaker 3: again once that happens. Time to have trend too.

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Speaker 1: We'll only be impressed with the skis in the pool.

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Speaker 3: Times photo photo evidence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now times You've got a brand new song called

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Speaker 4: Can't Be Happy All the Time. I'll play a little

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Speaker 4: bit of it now. This is People can go and

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Speaker 4: check it out online. If I haven't heard it yet,

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Speaker 4: have listened to this.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's good in it and used to normally all right

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Speaker 5: tomorrow besides cauzy candy Happy, it's candy happy, hold.

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Speaker 1: It super.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful ballad.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 4: First of all, congratulations and just laughing seeing the range

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Speaker 4: that you've got, and it just kind of made me

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Speaker 4: think about, like, I know something that you've spoken before

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Speaker 4: about what's really tricky is the fame that you now

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Speaker 4: have and how hard that is to grapple with. And

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Speaker 4: my right question for you is that, like as a busker,

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Speaker 4: if you can see, if you could see yourself now,

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Speaker 4: this is probably all that you, you know, probably could

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Speaker 4: have dreamed of or hoped to be. But is there

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Speaker 4: is there anything about it that like that you would

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Speaker 4: change in terms of where you are now? And how

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Speaker 4: do you think that conversation would go with yourself with

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Speaker 4: the busker you, I mean, when you are a busker,

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Speaker 4: you kind of like, well fuck off mate, like you

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Speaker 4: made it stop winging or can you talk through.

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Speaker 3: That a little bit? I think that you know, I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't change anything in terms of my music because that

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Speaker 3: is who I am. And I think even though you know,

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Speaker 3: a dance monkey might have got got got overplayed and

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Speaker 3: become and you know, I've found out after releasing music

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Speaker 3: that I have a weirdly high pitched or weird voice,

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Speaker 3: which I never thought I did. You know before I

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Speaker 3: feel I feel like if I was to go back

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Speaker 3: now and change anything, it would be dis genuine to myself.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing that I would go back and

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Speaker 3: tell myself is to be prepared because anyone that, especially

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Speaker 3: someone that never intended to be famous. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: be a busker. I knew that, and that it happens.

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Speaker 3: It's not what everyone thinks, you know, It's not just

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Speaker 3: playing sold at festivals and you know, meeting fans and stuff.

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Speaker 3: There's so much more to it. And you really got

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Speaker 3: to have to get a hold of your mental health

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Speaker 3: and remember that anything that you can pull out the

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Speaker 3: other side from good or bad, it's such a good

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Speaker 3: way to tell yourself in the future that you've done

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Speaker 3: that before and you can carry on. And the song

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Speaker 3: is a lot about that. It is about it's not

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Speaker 3: being what you expected and you're not always going to

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Speaker 3: be happening and you're not always going to be like

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Speaker 3: this is the life. And I think people that want

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Speaker 3: to be famous and the only reason to do things

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Speaker 3: around and like that's just not me. I love and

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Speaker 3: am so humbled by my fans, but you know, this,

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Speaker 3: this whole thing. I never intended this to happen, and

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Speaker 3: it kind of took me on a whirlwind. And all

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Speaker 3: I can really do is take your day at a time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, hey times, I saw your live Instagram chat

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Speaker 1: with Nick Nadanui AFL football. Are you made for Ni

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Speaker 1: NADAUI hadn't ha did that workout? Sorry?

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Speaker 4: Can I just ask that?

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Speaker 3: He actually messaged me and I said, look, I really

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Speaker 3: want to have a chat. And I was like, oh

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Speaker 3: my god, yes of course, Like, you know, it's so

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Speaker 3: funny because you know, I've never done a live and

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Speaker 3: I'm actually quite nervous to do a live and I

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Speaker 3: was trying to work myself up to doing just alive

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Speaker 3: in general. And then he asked me for a chat,

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Speaker 3: and I told my team. I was like, I want

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Speaker 3: to do this chat, Like I want to do this

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Speaker 3: at like I've been doing this. Yeah, And my everyone

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Speaker 3: in my household are like a FL fanatics, like absolute fanatics.

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Speaker 3: That's why my friends are in the background, right, my

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Speaker 3: friends in the background. Here's a funny story. I said,

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Speaker 3: you want to sit in the back and say good ay,

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Speaker 3: So they're in the back. Little did I know they're

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Speaker 3: getting messages from our mate saying shink kings. So when

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Speaker 3: I turned around after the interview, there was like kick

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Speaker 3: bb cans they're trying to have a sinking Kinney competition

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Speaker 3: in the background. And then Nick nat knew we messaged

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Speaker 3: me and he's like, don't worry. My mates were behind

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Speaker 3: the camera naked as well, trying to get me.

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Speaker 4: This conversation.

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Speaker 3: And then there was so much going on everywhere around.

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Speaker 4: Us, So that is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the things is obviously less exciting, less

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Speaker 1: exciting than Nick that I knew his mates naked and

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Speaker 1: your mate drinking BBS. One thing you talked to Nick

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Speaker 1: that about was you know, if you want something bad

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Speaker 1: enough in life, if you really want it, then then

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Speaker 1: just do it. It's it seems like really simple advice,

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Speaker 1: but I think it was actually really profound when I

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Speaker 1: heard it. Can I ask you, though, just about the

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Speaker 1: negative voice that's in everyone's head, that voice that's saying, nah,

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Speaker 1: you're not good enough for it won't be you, And

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Speaker 1: how maybe you overcame that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always thought that about myself and even and

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, and this is something I

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Speaker 3: haven't really said, but I've thought about a lot. I

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Speaker 3: think Plunder in the Grass all the way up to

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Speaker 3: after my first tour, after my second tour, I'd say,

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Speaker 3: even to the start of Lame Way, which was just

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Speaker 3: wasn't a good enough act to play a festival. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not good enough. Why do people want me to

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Speaker 3: play these festivals? You know? I was like, I need

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Speaker 3: to get a band, I need to get a DJ.

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Speaker 3: I didn't end up doing any of that stuff. I

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Speaker 3: just still play as I would on the street, but like,

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Speaker 3: I still think that about a lot of things on allan.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just I feel like I'm not good

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Speaker 3: enough to be here. And it happens all the time,

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Speaker 3: and it's not until you say to yourself going out

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Speaker 3: onto this stage, I still have doubts that I'm going

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Speaker 3: to try and prove to myself I can and then

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Speaker 3: you do those things and then you feel better. But

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Speaker 3: the reason I gave such simple advice is because the

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Speaker 3: only thing I remember thinking is I want to do

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Speaker 3: this so bad that the crippling depression I'm going to

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Speaker 3: than failing. So I had to do it, and that's

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Speaker 3: pretty much what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great.

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Speaker 4: And the ugly cousin of achievement is judgment. Isn't it

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Speaker 4: that you If you don't, yeah, absolutely, then you hate

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Speaker 4: yourself for not quite getting there. That's as a real

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Speaker 4: demon I've got as well. Mate, I want to talk

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Speaker 4: to you sorry times. Can I just ask? I've got depression.

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Speaker 4: I have to tap out of the show all the time,

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Speaker 4: and I really struggle getting in here and sometimes turning

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Speaker 4: Are you like at the moment, are you sort of

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Speaker 4: boutting a few demons at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 4: With this new tune and everything, well, I mean I wrote.

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Speaker 3: The tune in August last year when I was really

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Speaker 3: I was just so not happy about any of it.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't even want to post on social media,

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Speaker 3: And I was like, am I in high school again?

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Speaker 3: And I think that that comes from a preconceived idea

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Speaker 3: not like you was so mixed up with we actually

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Speaker 3: want to cause this person to go into a deep depression.

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Speaker 3: And that's a huge thing and I had to overcome

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Speaker 3: that and I have. The only thing I'm struggling with

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Speaker 3: right now is not playing these shows I've played live

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Speaker 3: since I like for the last five years, either I've

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Speaker 3: pubbed every week or busting on the street every day.

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Speaker 3: Were now going on this world tour and now I'm

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Speaker 3: And I want to play those live stream things on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: but it's pretty hard. I've never done that before, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm trying to, but it makes me nervous

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Speaker 3: and I want to show my fans that I'm still

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Speaker 3: here and to be positive, but I don't even know

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Speaker 3: how to do all that stuff. I'm a looper. I

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Speaker 3: don't even know how to like use a computer when

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Speaker 3: it comes to recording and stuff like. I've been very

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Speaker 3: much just like acousticly trained.

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Speaker 4: You have the girl a loop and some drum pads

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Speaker 4: and put on that's where you want to meet. I

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Speaker 4: was reading about how you write your songs, which you know,

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Speaker 4: talking about betting yourself up and self judgment and stuff,

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Speaker 4: and you sing from a different perspective every time. And

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Speaker 4: people may not realize this, but dance Monkey is about you,

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Speaker 4: and you're all the dance monkey in that song, and

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Speaker 4: you're singing about you from not your perspective, and I thought,

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Speaker 4: I thought, I found that really interesting because I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you know this, but you know the song

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Speaker 4: the Winner Takes It All?

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Speaker 3: This song.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that song was sung by Agnatha, But the

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Speaker 4: really interesting part about it, similar to your songwriting, is

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Speaker 4: that she's singing about herself. She's going through this breakup

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Speaker 4: with Bjorn, another band member in Abba, but he wrote

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Speaker 4: Can you talk a little bit about how that process

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, my first EP, you know, you know, Jan

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Speaker 3: Sung is about me, but it's turned into this kind

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Speaker 3: But originally you know that was busting on the street

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Speaker 4: Like I was listening to it again and I was like, like,

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Speaker 4: this is sad, like you singing about you saying you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of those it is about me

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Speaker 3: No one wanted to hear about the stories behind the songs.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they did a lot of time they just like

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Speaker 3: go for them. And that's kind of what I wrote about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Bad Child's not about you either. Then

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Speaker 3: Bad Child is actually a song that I said wasn't

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Speaker 3: reach out and say that that feels like it's about there.

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Speaker 3: So I had to give that honesty. So I changed

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Speaker 3: my mind and said, like, you know, honestly, it is

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: That's I commend that.

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Speaker 4: That's super brave mate, that thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: And you're doing that through changing your perspective and songwriting

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Speaker 4: is first of all genius, but also like, thanks so

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Speaker 4: much for being so raw and honest with us on

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Speaker 4: the show this afternoon. It's been a pleasure to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I thanks you too, guys.

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Speaker 4: No worries at all. Man, I thought that jet ski

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Speaker 4: party down to that mansion in Martha something.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have to body get a jet skip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you're hearing. Find us on Instagram

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Speaker 4: and Facebook. Schwill and Woody