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Speaker 1: us this morning the CLPS Marie Claire Boothby, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Mary Claire.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, and good morning to all the listeners.

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Speaker 1: Eva Laula from the ALP, A Minister for Planning, Infrastructure

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: We've got Keesi E.

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Speaker 1: Peric, the Independent member for Goid and good morning to

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Speaker 4: Morning, Katie, Morning wet Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And to be good morning to Thomas Morgan, who is

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Speaker 1: indeed the Northern Territory News political reporter.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Tom.

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Speaker 5: Morning Katy.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Now, I tell you what a week can be a

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Speaker 1: We've obviously got that cyclo and brewing which we're keeping

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Speaker 1: But I think that everybody around the world is watching

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Speaker 5: Oh it's really sad. And I think I'm twenty five,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, intently is.

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Speaker 6: I agree with Thomas absolutely. It's just it's frightening for

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Speaker 4: The interesting thing is they're coming into their summer months

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Speaker 5: Reflect on as the wider implication of if Putin gets

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Speaker 6: But you know, it is hard obviously with the mask

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Speaker 3: It's their choice. But I do think that you you know,

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Speaker 2: It comes back to the fact that we haven't seen

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Speaker 6: They will start to flow through. So I mean that's

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Speaker 6: So I'm around the mask mandate. I'm sure you know

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Speaker 5: So can there be a bit more notice than you

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Speaker 6: Oh well, as I said, I mean, I'm sure a

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Speaker 4: What I want clarity on is the consistencies or inconsistencies

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Speaker 4: but there's all these inconsistency. So the mask mandate goes,

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Speaker 1: And business generally as generally. The other part of this,

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Speaker 1: Northern Territorians, if you want to go to work and

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Speaker 1: So the you know, this is where I think we do.

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Speaker 1: And some may say, oh, well, who cares if you've

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Speaker 5: And the other thing as well with that press release

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we might take a very short break. You

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Speaker 3: Three point sixty. It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are indeed listening to the week that was Marie

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police Association that they are certainly throwing

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Speaker 3: Hoods are a last resort and.

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Speaker 1: Are implemented under strict guidelines for the safety of the

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Speaker 1: And I understand that, and I certainly respect John's perspective,

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Speaker 1: But it's also not an ideal situation to have a

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Speaker 4: Issue, Katie. Since that story broke, there is not a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm hearing what kids here saying because it's

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Speaker 6: Sorry I was going to say, I think all the

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Speaker 6: So all the conversations I've had as well say that, yes,

442
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Speaker 6: that people are concerned about the health and well being

443
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Speaker 6: of police officers.

444
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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: I just want to reflect though that I don't think

446
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Speaker 5: there's another police service in the country which uses spithoods.

447
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Speaker 5: So how can police services in other parts of the

448
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Speaker 5: country get by without them? Yet apparently they're a necessity

449
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Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory. I just want to ask that question.

450
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Speaker 4: They might not have the problems we have here in

451
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory life.

452
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Speaker 1: I want to take you to to something that Lisa Baylis,

453
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Speaker 1: the Vice president of the Northern Territory Police Association, said

454
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Speaker 1: on the show earlier in the week when it comes

455
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Speaker 1: to those communicable diseases and some of what the police

456
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Speaker 1: are obviously dealing with.

457
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to what she had to say.

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Speaker 1: Have we had any situations in the Northern Territory or

459
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Speaker 1: you know, are there reports even you know in Australia

460
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Speaker 1: at the moment of police officers being spat on it

461
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Speaker 1: and they'm actually you know, ending up with the communicable disease.

462
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Speaker 8: Actually there is in South Australia, there was a police

463
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Speaker 8: officer who when she was arresting a member of the public,

464
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Speaker 8: an offender, she was spat in in her face and

465
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Speaker 8: as a result of that she contracted her abise and

466
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Speaker 8: had ongoing problems with it. Every six eight weeks she

467
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Speaker 8: has an outbreak. It's a very serious case. It's inside

468
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Speaker 8: her mouth and down her throat.

469
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Speaker 1: So that was Lisa Bayless on the show a little

470
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Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week. And you know, look, I

471
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Speaker 1: think in an ideal world, we would certainly not be

472
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Speaker 1: worrying about the use of spithoods and we would not

473
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Speaker 1: be worrying about young children, you know, being locked up.

474
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not the world that we're living in

475
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Speaker 1: at this point in time. And I do think that

476
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Speaker 1: the you know, there may be other ways to be

477
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Speaker 1: able to, you know, to restrain a child.

478
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

479
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert in that area, but I

480
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Speaker 1: also feel as though since the Royal Commission, I would

481
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Speaker 1: think that the Northern Territory Police are absolutely using it

482
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Speaker 1: as a last resort given the fact that we have

483
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Speaker 1: you know, the whole all frontline services, everything to do

484
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Speaker 1: with the dealing of youths has gone through the microscope

485
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Speaker 1: as a result of that Royal commission. But eva, I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: is it something that is what's the Ofment's feeling on

487
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Speaker 1: this at the moment there?

488
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Speaker 6: So, I mean, like John Pattison said, and John obviously

489
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Speaker 6: has lots of interactions with Indigenous people across the territory.

490
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Speaker 6: So that's what Nicole Madison, the Minister for Police has said.

491
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Speaker 6: She has asked the police force to go and have

492
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Speaker 6: a look and are there other alternatives? Thomas was just

493
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Speaker 6: saying we're the only state that are the only state

494
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Speaker 6: or territory that continues to use them. I actually don't

495
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Speaker 6: know if that's correct. I think South Australia is legislated.

496
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Speaker 6: I don't think the other states have I mean whether

497
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Speaker 6: they use them or not, but don't have legislation in place.

498
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Speaker 6: But so Nicole has asked the police force and obviously

499
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Speaker 6: they've taken that on board to have a look at though, Yeah,

500
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Speaker 6: what else is there? What are the other alternatives? And

501
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Speaker 6: as I said, as a government, we when we came

502
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Speaker 6: in in twenty sixteen, we said spithoods and restraint chairs

503
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Speaker 6: weren't to be used in detention centers and then you know,

504
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Speaker 6: the real Royal Commission continued I think for about another

505
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Speaker 6: two years and that was obviously one of the recommendations

506
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Speaker 6: around detention centers. Already we're ahead of that around detention centers.

507
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Speaker 6: But also understand that detention centers are very different to

508
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Speaker 6: police cells. You know, I mean I spending thirty odd

509
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Speaker 6: years working in education, and you can, you know, some

510
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 6: children you can distract, you can, but when we know

511
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Speaker 6: when they're in going into a police cell or coming

512
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Speaker 6: getting picked up, yeah, they're highly agitated. So you know,

513
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Speaker 6: I think we all agree absolutely our police force have

514
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Speaker 6: done an amazing job, always do an amazing job. They

515
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Speaker 6: have to have their work health and safety protected. But

516
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Speaker 6: is there other ways and that's a sensible way, that's

517
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Speaker 6: a sensible way forward of having a look at this

518
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Speaker 6: and seeing what other options there are.

519
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Speaker 2: The other issue here is Katie, that the spit hooards

520
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: come and they needed by the police because there are

521
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Speaker 2: people in custody who are fighting and they're you know,

522
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Speaker 2: they're hurting themselves or they're spinning at other officers. But

523
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Speaker 2: the reason why they're in there is because we have

524
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Speaker 2: such a huge crime problem here in the little of

525
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Speaker 2: the territory, Like we've seen commercial break ins that are

526
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Speaker 2: up by thirty percent. If you think about the percentage

527
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Speaker 2: of that of course those people that ended up in custody,

528
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Speaker 2: and then there's that need for that conversation. So I

529
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Speaker 2: think we need to go back and say, well, what

530
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Speaker 2: is the what's the cause of the reason why our

531
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Speaker 2: crime is on such a huge trajectory up and.

532
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Speaker 6: Mary cleif you've got an answer, tell us, well there, look,

533
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Speaker 6: this is one of them looking for rances to around

534
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Speaker 6: that we're not doing. We haven't got our eyes closed.

535
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Speaker 6: We're not trying to stop it. A good day would

536
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Speaker 6: be a great day without crime. So if you have solutions,

537
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Speaker 6: most police tell us.

538
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Speaker 2: Continues to tell everybody that there's a record spend on

539
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Speaker 2: police to be able to counter crime, and it clearly

540
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Speaker 2: money doesn't solve crime because the outcomes are just not

541
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Speaker 2: there too.

542
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Speaker 1: There was a discussion that we've had with the Chamber

543
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Speaker 1: of Commerce earlier in the week, and I know that

544
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Speaker 1: they spoke to the Northern Territory News as well, really

545
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Speaker 1: calling for you know, for the Northern Territory government to

546
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Speaker 1: further support regional businesses as those statistics had shown that

547
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Speaker 1: commercial break ins. Well, in Alice Springs those commercial break

548
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Speaker 1: ins went up eighty two point one point one percent.

549
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Speaker 1: We that around the territory the commercial break ins went up.

550
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Speaker 1: We've even got a situation now today, I believe it's

551
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Speaker 1: in the paper with the Allice Springstown councilor Michael Little

552
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Speaker 1: calling for a pause on the CAFL, the Country League

553
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Speaker 1: because of the chaos that.

554
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Speaker 3: It brings to the town.

555
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Speaker 1: And you know, we've spoken quite a bit about the

556
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Speaker 1: different issues up here in the top end, certainly you

557
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Speaker 1: know in Palmerston, in the rural area right around the place.

558
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Speaker 3: But in central Australia right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a situation where you've got

560
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Speaker 1: a bloke who I'm sure loves his footy like we

561
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Speaker 1: all do, saying hang on, maybe we need to have

562
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Speaker 1: a bit of a pause here at the moment, you know.

563
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Speaker 3: And also the Chamber of Commerce coming out.

564
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Speaker 1: This follows on from the Lord or the Mayor of

565
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs a couple of weeks ago writing to you know,

566
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Speaker 1: to politicians from all around the nation and other leaders

567
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Speaker 1: just calling for that help. It's a really like it's

568
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Speaker 1: a difficult scenario and situation right now in central.

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Speaker 5: Australia, not just in Central Australia though. I was watching

570
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Speaker 5: Channel nine News last night and Tylias IV the crime

571
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Speaker 5: reporter at nine, had an excellent story that I believe

572
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Speaker 5: Joe Hersey home that had heartbreaking between between tenants had

573
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Speaker 5: just been completely trashed. You know. It's it's such a

574
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Speaker 5: such a widespread problem and I don't think there's a

575
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Speaker 5: simple solution to it. I don't think any one government

576
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Speaker 5: can fix it. But it's also I think an indictment

577
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Speaker 5: of failures of successive governments to get on top of

578
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Speaker 5: the issue and to create real change in the space

579
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Speaker 5: and to help young people not fall into the cycle

580
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Speaker 5: of crime and you violence.

581
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Speaker 1: But I think the real the difficult part at this

582
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Speaker 1: point is we've spoken about this before, is we all

583
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Speaker 1: understand that there needs to be some real change, like

584
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Speaker 1: from young people growing up and that you know that

585
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Speaker 1: that generational change. We've heard that on numerous occasions from

586
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Speaker 1: the Labor Party. But right now as well, there needs

587
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Speaker 1: to be some kind of stop gap for you know,

588
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Speaker 1: for people. There needs to be that assistance for some

589
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: of those businesses that are living through this and going

590
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Speaker 1: through week by week and having a debilitating impact on them.

591
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Speaker 1: We also spoke to the independent member for Oura lu

592
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Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley earlier in the week and she is

593
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Speaker 1: seriously concerned. And obviously I've got to be very careful

594
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Speaker 1: about what we say here, but she is seriously concerned

595
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: then as well, once we see the outcome of the

596
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Roll trial handed down, no matter how it goes, how

597
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: that could play.

598
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Speaker 3: Out in Central Australia.

599
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Speaker 1: And like I said, we need to be very careful

600
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Speaker 1: with those comments around that, but I think that that

601
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Speaker 1: is also something that is on everybody's minds right now, Katie.

602
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Speaker 4: I think we need to keep some things in perspective.

603
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: And you know, we're talking about the young people. As

604
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: we say, which presume he's under eighteen, The percentage of

605
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: the people creating this problem and committing the crimes is small, yep.

606
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: Compared there's thousands, thousands of young people out there who

607
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: are just normal doing great stuff, normal people going about

608
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 4: their business with their families, their loved ones, their mates,

609
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: their cares, grandpa's whatever, whomever. So we're talking about us

610
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Speaker 4: a certain percentage of people. I don't know what it is,

611
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: but we know it's small. I mean, I've been told

612
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: by authorities that it's about thirty families in the darn

613
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: area that they know, they know them, they know the families,

614
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: I should say, and the ones that are potentially going

615
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: to create create problems and are creating problems. And yet

616
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 4: it takes up so much bloody space and time and

617
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: discussion and resources for a small percentage of people who

618
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 4: are creating the problems in our society up here elsewhere

619
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: in the territory. And I just think we've got to maybe,

620
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: you know, people talk about tough love and all this

621
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Speaker 4: sort of stuff. It's not going anywhere fast, and it's

622
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Speaker 4: unless there's some tough measures taken. I get it. Half

623
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: the young people probably got faz D and all that

624
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: sort of stuff, and that in itself is another social

625
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: and social and a problem in our society. But you know,

626
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: I just reflect back on the time I was on

627
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Speaker 4: a select committee that looked into youth suicide and also

628
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 4: into fas D. And when we went to Alice Springs,

629
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Speaker 4: there are about twenty groups dealing with youth in that town.

630
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Speaker 4: They didn't talk to each other. There were people when

631
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Speaker 4: we met in in Tenant Creed and we invited people.

632
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: The committee invited people to come and talk to the

633
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: committee about whichever was when we were talking about some

634
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: of them didn't even know each other. We're doing what

635
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: they were doing in regards to.

636
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: You, so Spead, Territory families has such an important role

637
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: to play.

638
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: There's bigger issues out there. The crime is a big issue,

639
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: but there are other issues out there that are detracting

640
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: from the problem that. You know, when we talk about

641
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: coordination and engagement and communication, you know, some of those

642
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: foundation stones need to be made stronger and better such

643
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: that we can build upon and you know, try and

644
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: sort out these young people and not so young people.

645
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Speaker 2: Like you said, if there's thirty families in the top

646
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: end like you just mentioned, and that's thirty families whatever

647
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: it is, you've got territory families there that are there

648
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: to protect the children and work with the families to

649
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: make sure that they're going to be okay. And if

650
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: they're not handling twenty or thirty families, then that is

651
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: something that is failing dismally. It needs to be looked at.

652
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 2: And I just feel like this government always buries its

653
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: head in the sand. It reverts back and blames everybody else,

654
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: and it's just we don't see any improvement. In fact,

655
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: we know that the statistics are getting worse and worse.

656
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: Well, our springs if the eighty two percent in Christian

657
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: whatever commercial And you know when.

658
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: You walk around the territory, no matter where you go,

659
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: people will talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Good lad, you know with all the bloody security screens everywhere.

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Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, well, and people are just running a

662
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Speaker 2: mark that they don't seem to care about the authorities.

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Speaker 2: Whatever we are doing now is failing and we have

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Speaker 2: to absolutely do different things.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, I can assure you that government isn't

666
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Speaker 6: turning a blind eye or have their head in the sand.

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Speaker 6: Government is working very hard to continue to address these issues.

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Speaker 6: We know they are complex and difficult in Northern Territory

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Speaker 6: and we you know, we talk about this often on

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Speaker 6: this show. But one good positive thing is the multi

671
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Speaker 6: agency coordination teams that the maxt and Marie Claire, you

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Speaker 6: should be aware of them. In Parmesan. Selena Dolts Serena Dalton,

673
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Speaker 6: who is an important person in Parmesan who is involved

674
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Speaker 6: with lots of young people in Parmesan. She chairs that

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Speaker 6: group and they bring together education, health, police, territory families,

676
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Speaker 6: the ngngos and they work with families kids that have

677
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Speaker 6: been identified and coordinating the response around that. So there

678
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Speaker 6: are positive things. Those MAX committees are across the territory,

679
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Speaker 6: So there are things in place that when government continues

680
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Speaker 6: to work hard to address the issue of crime, no

681
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Speaker 6: one wants to see crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well look, I hope that they may start to

683
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Speaker 1: make a real impact for the people of Valae Springs

684
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Speaker 1: and also right around the territory. We're going to have

685
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Speaker 1: to take a very short break. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine. It is the week

687
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Speaker 1: that was. It is the week that was. Of course

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Speaker 1: we've got Murray, Claire boothby Evil, Aula Kesy appearic and

689
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Speaker 1: Tom Morgan in the studio and we know that's well.

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Speaker 1: The Australian Electoral Commission is in a live discussion with

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Speaker 1: the Country Liberal Party about its registration. Now, Tom, this

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Speaker 1: is a story that you've broken this morning. Talk us

693
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Speaker 1: through exactly what the situation is here.

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Speaker 5: So this is the Australian Electoral Commission. So there's rules

695
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 5: that the Parliament passed last year which stipulate that you

696
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Speaker 5: have to have either fifteen hundred members as a party

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Speaker 5: or a sitting party momentarian in Canberra to qualify as

698
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 5: a party at the federal level. Now COLP, after Sam

699
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 5: McMahon resigned, have lost their parliamentarian. There's now the question

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Speaker 5: of whether they have fifteen hundred members or not. And

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Speaker 5: obviously Labor came out a few weeks ago and said

702
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Speaker 5: we don't believe that the COLP have that many members.

703
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Speaker 3: Keep the booting basically, yeah, it was a.

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Speaker 5: Bit of a kicking my lead down moment. But now

705
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Speaker 5: the AEC has sort of said sort of said, well,

706
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Speaker 5: we've written to the CLP and asked them what the

707
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Speaker 5: situation is. I don't believe it's as gone as far

708
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Speaker 5: as an audit yet, right, but I imagine that if the

709
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Speaker 5: CLP can't say, well confidently that we have fifteen hundred members,

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Speaker 5: that will be when the AAC launch an audit.

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Speaker 1: Dian, I guess the you know, only time will tell

712
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Speaker 1: what the ramifications of that are. And when you look

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Speaker 1: at the at the federal election, it could be sort

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Speaker 1: of ramifications.

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Speaker 4: It will see quite quickly.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the COLP are under any threat at

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Speaker 5: the territory level. I believe that the CLP, you know,

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Speaker 5: we'll stay in the anti parliament but the ramification if

719
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Speaker 5: they do get you know, de registered as a federal

720
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Speaker 5: party will be that just Enterprise, Damian Ryan and Tina

721
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Speaker 5: McFarlane will have to run as well. They won't have

722
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Speaker 5: the COLP Country Liberal brand under their name on the ballot,

723
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Speaker 5: which means they're effectively independence. It may harm them in

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Speaker 5: the sense that they may not necessarily have the brand recognition,

725
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Speaker 5: but also they will.

726
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Speaker 6: Be below the line on the ballot paper for the Senate,

727
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Speaker 6: so that is difficult then just to number one, two,

728
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Speaker 6: three across the top or they'll have to go and

729
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Speaker 6: look for them for the.

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Speaker 1: Party'll be I think what'll be interesting as well then

731
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Speaker 1: is to see whether the National Party or the Liberal

732
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Speaker 1: Party then on the federal scale sort of are they

733
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Speaker 1: able to step in and go well, no, we want

734
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Speaker 1: just Enterprice running for us as a Liberal or we

735
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Speaker 1: want you know whoever running for us is whatever.

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Speaker 4: From my memory recollection, the COLP has particular arrangements with

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Speaker 4: both the major parties, or both the Liberals and the Nationals,

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Speaker 4: and that's why when there was two seal people elected,

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Speaker 4: one would Nigel Sculling would sit with the Nationals and

740
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Speaker 4: the lower House person would sit with the liberals type

741
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Speaker 4: of thing. So I personally don't think they will do

742
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Speaker 4: that if they do lose their branding and those people

743
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Speaker 4: have to run as you know, independence effectively. You know,

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Speaker 4: there's to my way of thinking, there's ways around it

745
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Speaker 4: with coloring and things of that nature that will still

746
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Speaker 4: hang on to some of their branding. But the bottom

747
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Speaker 4: line is the senator just in the Price will get elected,

748
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Speaker 4: you know, whether she's called SEALP or not, because that's

749
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Speaker 4: the way people vote in the Senate. But it can

750
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Speaker 4: have serious impacts on people from the party running in

751
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Speaker 4: the House of Reps. Dam In Ryan Fillingyaria right.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be a meet point

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Speaker 2: actually because the party president has already said that the

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Speaker 2: CELP is fully compliant across the territory and federally, that

755
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Speaker 2: we do have an association with the nuts and sit

756
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Speaker 2: with them and we'll be running our candidates at the

757
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Speaker 2: next election.

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Speaker 3: So is there fifteen hundred members.

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Speaker 2: I don't have all the details of art, but we

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Speaker 2: the party president has always said we're fully compliant.

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Speaker 4: What was the word that you used there.

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Speaker 5: My association is that something that under the legislation is

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Speaker 5: actually recognized.

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Speaker 4: Like the president is quite confident that's the case.

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Speaker 2: So if there happens to be a review or they're

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Speaker 2: in talks, then obviously all of that will come out.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's a meat point. I reckon we

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Speaker 4: need to look at the legislation. I mean, I hear

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Speaker 4: what Thomas is asked, whether this, as I've said, the

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Speaker 4: association with the National Party and the Liberal Party, is

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Speaker 4: that sufficient under the federal legislation. I mean, the CLP

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Speaker 4: this is just a collateral damage that the legislation was

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Speaker 4: planned to get rid of those pesky minor parties in

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Speaker 4: the Senate because they're the ones that have the balance

775
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Speaker 4: of power, whether it be Paul and Hansen's party or

776
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Speaker 4: the Party Party, Party Party or the Automobile Association Party,

777
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Speaker 4: and they have you know, they've got elected and they've

778
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Speaker 4: held the balance of power and mucked up the government's agenda.

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Speaker 4: So the CLP is collateral damage. They're not one of

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Speaker 4: the pesky parties. Now they've got to deal with the consequences.

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Speaker 4: So it'll be what is in the legislation, whether the

782
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Speaker 4: association with the federal parties sufficient.

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Speaker 3: Well, regardless they're in campaign mode.

784
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there was an interesting scenario that played out

785
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Speaker 6: this week, which is, as I said, I think plays

786
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Speaker 6: to how much disarray the SELP is in. So Barnaby

787
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Speaker 6: Joyce made an announcement the out Back Way, so the

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Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty four million for the Northern Territory,

789
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Speaker 6: well under the land Use Agreement, of the land Transport

790
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Speaker 6: Agreement in the Northern Territory that the federal government has,

791
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Speaker 6: it's eighty twenty and I've spoken about that often. So

792
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Speaker 6: eighty percent is federally funded, twenty percent Northern Territory. So

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Speaker 6: Barnaby made an announcement around the out Back Way where

794
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Speaker 6: he will expect the Northern Territory or under our land

795
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Speaker 6: Use Agreement, our land Transport Agreement, that we'll have to

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Speaker 6: pay about twenty five million. So the media event was

797
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Speaker 6: in on the out Backway, the Planet Highway. I didn't

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Speaker 6: get an invite to that, and my name wasn't actually

799
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Speaker 6: on the release either, so there was Keith Pitts and

800
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Speaker 6: also Barnaby's name.

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Speaker 3: So despite needing twenty million for yeah, that.

802
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Speaker 6: Some sage they're going to be asking for our twenty

803
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Speaker 6: five minus and to complete the road, I didn't get

804
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Speaker 6: an invite at all. It was actually on Barnaby's letterhead,

805
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: and so I called it out during the week saying

806
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 6: this actually then is an election commitment, this is money

807
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: that needs to be in this year's budget, then if

808
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 6: you've got it on letterhead. But at the event, Leaf

809
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Speaker 6: and Okaria, the leader of the opposition, wasn't at that event.

810
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Speaker 6: Josh Burgo and none of the Central Australian members were there.

811
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Speaker 6: But the two CLP candidates were there at the media event.

812
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Speaker 6: So to me it was well, the election hasn't been called,

813
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Speaker 6: why are the CLP candidates at this event? And then

814
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Speaker 6: why didn't I get an invitation or at least have

815
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Speaker 6: my name on the letterhead on the media release and

816
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Speaker 6: have we get called out often whatever?

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

818
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Speaker 6: If I'm opening a bridge, if I'm opening a road,

819
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Speaker 6: sometimes I get in trouble because people go, this road's

820
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Speaker 6: been gone, have been open for weeks and months. Why

821
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Speaker 6: haven't you announced it? Because I haven't been able to

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Speaker 6: get the federal member there. You know, I can drop

823
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Speaker 6: a drop of a hat go and open the Subtle

824
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Speaker 6: Creek bridge, for example, but we have to wait there's

825
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Speaker 6: a federal member there and tee up that before we're

826
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Speaker 6: allowed to do a media event without them because they're

827
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Speaker 6: putting in eighty percent. So the reciprocity is I should

828
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Speaker 6: have been there, or I could have had at least

829
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Speaker 6: had Chancey Pat there or a member for Central Australia there.

830
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Speaker 6: I didn't, so to me it was an interesting one.

831
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Speaker 6: I think they stuffed up. But also it's interesting that

832
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Speaker 6: Lee didn't get an invite to it either.

833
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Speaker 2: True there were local members from the CLP at that event.

834
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Speaker 7: I won't at the event because that you didn't get invited.

835
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Speaker 2: Government money then.

836
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Speaker 1: Is no, it's either an election commitment or it's in

837
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Speaker 1: the budget. If it's an election commitment, well don't put

838
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Speaker 1: it on the letterhead and don't make it official. If

839
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Speaker 1: it's a budget commitment, well you go it's actually fair enough.

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Speaker 3: It's fair enough then that.

841
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Speaker 1: If you're also expecting that money from the from the

842
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government.

843
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Speaker 5: Has Barnaby Joyce actually said to you that they're expecting

844
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Speaker 5: you to pay twenty percent of that road or and

845
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Speaker 5: would you complain if they paid for one hundred percent

846
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: of it and you didn't have to.

847
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Speaker 6: I would love them to pay one hundred percent of

848
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Speaker 6: any row.

849
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Speaker 4: So maybe that's why.

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Speaker 6: You went, I know, no, No, you can't, Thomas. Our

851
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 6: governments can't as well. Sometimes we do see the LMP.

852
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 6: They can't just give a money without an agreement, so

853
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 6: there has to be there is a land transport agreement

854
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 6: and that's how it works. But you know, I would

855
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 6: love Barnaby Joyce to give us one hundred percent and

856
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Speaker 6: does not have to pay twenty five million. There's plenty

857
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Speaker 6: of other things we can spend twenty five million on.

858
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Speaker 6: But anyway, I just thought it was an interesting scenario.

859
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Speaker 6: And as I said, I know Mary Claire is saying

860
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Speaker 6: that the CLP might have been invited. They weren't at

861
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Speaker 6: the media event. People go on go on the Facebook

862
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Speaker 6: page and have a look on the Facebook.

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Speaker 4: Very quickly, Minister just said that, you know the government

864
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Speaker 4: doesn't give money without an agreement. Well, I gave twelve

865
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Speaker 4: billion dollars to the turf Club without there was a

866
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Speaker 4: grand agreement, a grand agree. Fur hours.

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Speaker 3: We are going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to point nine three sixty. It is

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Speaker 3: the week that was. Well, we are just about ready

870
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Speaker 3: to wrap up for the week that was.

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Speaker 1: But before we do eva very quickly, I did get

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Speaker 1: a question earlier in the week from Bill. He called

873
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Speaker 1: through and he wanted to know about this new legislation

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Speaker 1: that was bought in over Christmas that's apparently going to

875
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Speaker 1: bring territory houses in line with the National Code.

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Speaker 3: He was wondering he'd heard that all.

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Speaker 1: Elevated houses needed a toilet bathroom facilities downstairs as well

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Speaker 1: as upstairs, and aldo also needed ramps on the outer

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Speaker 1: of the building.

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Speaker 3: Eva, what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So there's the Australian Building and Construction Board, which

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Speaker 6: is a board that's basically owned by all ministers across Australia.

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Speaker 6: They developed the National Construction Code, which tells builders the

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Speaker 6: code or what they have to build to. And last

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Speaker 6: year and there was considerable debate about it, but the

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Speaker 6: code was updated and it brought in and this is

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Speaker 6: for the future. It's not retrospective that if you have

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Speaker 6: an upstairs house that you have to have a bathroom

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Speaker 6: on the ground floor. But also so if you don't,

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Speaker 6: I mean you have to have an entrance that is

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Speaker 6: accessible for somebody with a disability on the ground floor.

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Speaker 6: If you have the old style or an upstairs home,

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Speaker 6: you don't have you don't have to have a ramp

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Speaker 6: to get upstairs.

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Speaker 4: That's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't be able to do that. So for an

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Speaker 6: upstairs home, they have to have a bathroom downstairs. For

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Speaker 6: a ground floor home, you have to have an entrance

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Speaker 6: that can be accessible for someone in a wheelchair. And

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Speaker 6: the reason for this is one we're seeing Australia's population

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Speaker 6: age and so it is and if you have to

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Speaker 6: retro fit houses to make them accessible, it is very expensive.

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Speaker 6: So it is about in the future, you know people

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Speaker 6: with a wheelie that they will be able to get

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Speaker 6: into their house. But there are also absolute exemptions of

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Speaker 6: course for the territory style homes. So an upstairs house

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Speaker 6: in the territory, you'd have to have a bathroom downstairs,

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Speaker 6: which I also understand if you're going to have a

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Speaker 6: party and you have no bathroom downstairs and you've got

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Speaker 6: a friend that visits that needs to go to the

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Speaker 6: toilet obviously, and most upstairs homes have that bathroom laundry area.

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Speaker 1: We might even see whether we're able to get you

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Speaker 1: on at some point next week for a further chat

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Speaker 1: about that, because.

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Speaker 4: It's important because yeah, houses, I mean I live in one.

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Speaker 4: I'm only it's four foot ten off the ground, So

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Speaker 4: what if it's still on stills? So what if you

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Speaker 4: had houses that weren't quite the full height of the

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Speaker 4: olden da Dahen houses and it's only halfway So just

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Speaker 4: terrifications definitely yeah, exemptions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely worth a further discussion. I reckon now before

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Speaker 1: we get ready to wrap up Tom Understond, we've got

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Speaker 1: some some listeners in Brisbane today. Your family's having a listeners.

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Speaker 4: Morgan and Anna has been a very good boy, a

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Speaker 4: careful mine. Enemy doesn't go out like keep bad company.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's a good boy, anything like that.

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Speaker 4: Well look and also.

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Speaker 1: Very quickly, also very quickly, I did just get a

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Speaker 1: photo of Billian at that media So there you go.

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Speaker 6: Yes, apologies to Billyan, but I wonder why why did

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Speaker 6: he get an invite specially local matter.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, we are going to have to run around

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Speaker 4: mister Lusus Morgan special.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up Mary Clear

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Speaker 1: boothby thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Than Eva Laula, thank you so much for your time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: absolutely stay safe. You to get ready to wrap up

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Speaker 1: Keysy if you're in Tom Morgan, thank you.

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Speaker 4: And native plants seal at French Pass markets this morning,

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Speaker 4: well tomorrow morning, if people into native plants time to plant.

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Speaker 3: We will certainly keep an eye on that. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone,