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Speaker 2: Daily She is the editor. Emma Gillespie is here. Johnny Depp.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Johnny Depp is back in the headlines. He's done

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Speaker 4: this extensive sit down interview with The Sunday Times. It

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Speaker 4: apparently went for four hours and the actor consumed a

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Speaker 4: broad range of drinks with.

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Speaker 5: Journalists Jonathan Dean.

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Speaker 4: They started with Uproll, they moved onto red Wine, so

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Speaker 4: basically they proceeded to get more and more drunk over

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Speaker 4: the course of the four hours, and it shows. It

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Speaker 4: is a rambling interview. The magazine the paper describes it

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Speaker 4: as much. But in case you need a quick refresher,

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Speaker 4: Johnny Depp has kind of been, i suppose, in the

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Speaker 4: shadows or on the fringes of pop culture ever since

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Speaker 4: he garnered all this global attention for these trials with

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Speaker 4: and the Herd his ex wife. So they got married

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Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. There's a thirteen year age gap there.

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Speaker 4: Heard took him to court in the UK. She successfully

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Speaker 4: won a trial there because there was a defamation conversation

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Speaker 4: she'd written an op iRED the son in the UK

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Speaker 4: called him a wife beat up, but the judge found

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Speaker 4: that the great majority of alleged assaults of Misheard by

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Speaker 4: Depp had been proved, so she won that. Then there

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Speaker 4: was a second trial in the US. This is probably

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Speaker 4: the one you're more familiar.

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Speaker 3: D Yeah, it's funny that very highly publicized.

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Speaker 4: Took place in twenty twenty two. It was streamed live

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Speaker 4: on YouTube. It was this whole circus the whole world

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Speaker 4: watched where essentially Johnny Depp won that defamation case and

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Speaker 4: it discredited Amber Heard. So it's fifty to fifty in

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Speaker 4: terms of his wins and losses in the court.

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Speaker 5: Since then, he's lost work.

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Speaker 4: He was dropped from the Fantastic Beasts Harry Potter franchise films,

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Speaker 4: his agent dropped him, and he's done this interview where

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Speaker 4: he says that he is a crash test or was

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Speaker 4: a crash test dummy for the Me too movement. It's

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Speaker 4: an interesting one because during the defamation trial he accused

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Speaker 4: Amber Heard of seeking popularity and fame on the me

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Speaker 4: too wave. Now he's kind of saying that it was

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Speaker 4: all pre that and.

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Speaker 5: He was a victorist. One exactly.

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Speaker 4: He said it had gone far enough in terms of

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Speaker 4: the trial, and that he knew he'd have to semi

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Speaker 4: and viscerate himself. Everyone was saying it'll go away, but

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Speaker 4: I can't trust that. He said, the fiction pawned around

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Speaker 4: the globe. It wouldn't go away, And if I didn't

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Speaker 4: try to represent the truth, it would be like I'd

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Speaker 4: actually committed the acts I was accused of. So he

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Speaker 4: said he wasn't nervous about the trial, that he told

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Speaker 4: the truth the entire time. He did have a lot

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Speaker 4: to say about feeling betrayed by his friends and colleagues

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Speaker 4: in the industry.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, what kind of choice do they have?

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Speaker 4: It was very damning the allegations now, the way he

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Speaker 4: treated Amber heard. Whether or not it's true, who knows.

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Speaker 4: One court says it is, one court says it isn't.

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Speaker 4: But he seems to really be on this. I guess,

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Speaker 4: comeback only this trail to sort of prove his innocence.

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Speaker 1: That he had and all that new wave of young

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Speaker 1: men saying you know that rise above what the women

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Speaker 1: in a way.

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Speaker 3: So all that Andrew Tates stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there'll be a whole lot of people who will

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Speaker 1: and woman too, who will support him through all of this?

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Speaker 5: Yes, and who did?

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Speaker 4: And I mean public sentiment at the time of that

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Speaker 4: US trial really heavily swayed in Johnny Depp's favor.

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Speaker 1: And as we were just saying, the social media was

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Speaker 1: flooded with bots, and as you say, you said to

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Speaker 1: me just off air, Emma, that this was well documented

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Speaker 1: that the Saudi's funded these bots that were pro Johnny

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Speaker 1: depth through all the social media.

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Speaker 5: Fascinating.

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Speaker 4: There's been all these investigations in the years since. There's

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Speaker 4: a great podcast as a documentary all about this calculated

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Speaker 4: effort to program social media accounts, fake accounts, to flood

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Speaker 4: the Internet with all this hatred and vilification of Amber Herd.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not suggesting that there's not some really toxic,

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Speaker 4: abusive behavior possibly on both sides in that relationship, but

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Speaker 4: it was very, very dominated by this pro Johnny Depp

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Speaker 4: anti Amber heard sentiment.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's always continued to work.

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Speaker 4: He never lost his door campaign, you know that part. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 4: he never lost that job. He's directed a film that's

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Speaker 4: about to come out. He's in an action movie with

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Speaker 4: Penelope Cruise that's coming out late this year early next year.

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Speaker 5: But he said that he lives in London and he's

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Speaker 5: essentially a.

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Speaker 4: Recluse, that he's shy, that he tries wearing hats or

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Speaker 4: he's grown a beard, but he feels like he has

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Speaker 4: to hide in public, so he just stays home watching YouTube,

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Speaker 4: right right, Poor Johnny, Poor Johnny.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Amber heard what she does.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing she's done.

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Speaker 4: Shit.

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Speaker 3: The industry really turned on her and.

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Speaker 5: She had no money.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she won two million in the first case,

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Speaker 4: but then the costs that she had to pay in

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Speaker 4: the second case, she was o viscerated there. She moved

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Speaker 4: to Madrid in twenty twenty three. She's raising his kid

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Speaker 4: there and she's pretty much fallen out of.

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Speaker 3: The She's still also donning a beard when she leaves

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Speaker 3: the house.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but no hats.

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Speaker 3: Good hair.

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Speaker 5: Before we go, though, I have a TV show.

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Speaker 2: Completely when you have a TV show.

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Speaker 4: No, sorry, I want to recommend to TV. I'm absolutely

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Speaker 4: obsessed with the show on stand. It's called This City

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Speaker 4: Is Ours. It's like Underbelly, but set in Liverpool.

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Speaker 3: In the UK.

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Speaker 4: So it's this organized crime family. A kind of blood

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Speaker 4: is thicker than water tail. It's so good and there's

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Speaker 4: also some very delicious kind of Liverpuglian accents. So you'll

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Speaker 4: walk around the house trying to do your best impression,

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Speaker 4: but I'm not good at us.

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Speaker 3: What's it called.

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Speaker 5: It's called This City is Ours? Understand it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: If anyone watches it and wants to talk to me

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Speaker 4: about it, I am available.

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Speaker 5: It's so so.

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Speaker 2: My people right now can call Emma and talk about

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Speaker 2: the show. Sean Bean's in it, who's Swan Bean?

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Speaker 5: Ned Stark from Your Thrones? And a bunch of other

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Speaker 5: kind of like, oh, they look a little bit familiar,

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Speaker 5: but who guess. It's an amazing show.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say this for the record of

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Speaker 2: man's it didn't write anything.

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Speaker 3: I did. Look at that this city is ours?

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Speaker 4: She wrote it.

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Speaker 2: You did too.

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Speaker 5: The city is ours much like this city Sydney is yours.

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Speaker 3: It's ours with less accents.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Emma. Mgsp from The Daily Os