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Speaker 1: Jerzy and Amanda gem Nation a.

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Speaker 2: Big fan of the former Wallaby turned Federal MP David Pocock.

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Speaker 1: He said some.

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Speaker 2: Interesting things recently in relation to two assaults on women

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Speaker 2: who are out on running tracks in Canberra and the

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Speaker 2: police message that told women to stay vigilant I saw

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Speaker 2: on David's socials on the weekend he uploaded this.

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Speaker 3: This is one for all the blokes out there. I'm interested.

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Speaker 3: When you're running, what are you thinking about? Are listening

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Speaker 3: out trying to work out what birds calling? Or are

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Speaker 3: you a fellow Queenslander filthy about state of origin? I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Are you thinking about the Roman Empire? Maybe

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Speaker 3: one of the things I think you're probably not thinking

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Speaker 3: about is getting sexually assaulted? And I think it's such

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Speaker 3: bullshit that we live in a country where so many

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Speaker 3: women are worried about that are thinking about that when

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Speaker 3: they're out for a run.

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Speaker 1: We've got to do better.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we solve this, but I know

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Speaker 3: as men, one thing we can do is actually talk

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Speaker 3: to our mates about it.

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Speaker 1: True. David joins us right now.

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Speaker 4: Hi, David, Morning Jones and Amanda, what was it.

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Speaker 2: About this police message that particularly got under your skin?

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Speaker 4: My wife and I've talked about the just the difference

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Speaker 4: in our experience, you know, over the years, where I'm

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Speaker 4: very happy to duck out at night for a run,

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Speaker 4: not something most women feel comfortable doing. And then we've,

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Speaker 4: as you said, we've had two women in two months

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Speaker 4: here in Canberra assaulted whilst up running. And I've got

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Speaker 4: a few women in my office who love, love running.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, we were talking about in the office and

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Speaker 4: how do you actually try and get more men into

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Speaker 4: this conversation. It's often talked about as a women's issue,

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Speaker 4: but it can't be left to women to solve This

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Speaker 4: requires all of us. And you know, I think when

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Speaker 4: something requires cultural change, that us to start with conversations

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Speaker 4: and drawing more people into it.

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Speaker 1: And even chatting about it. I see it pretty every morning.

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Speaker 5: She has run when I'm leaving for work at four

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Speaker 5: in the morning, and I always feel, are you all right?

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Speaker 1: I always worry about her safe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think that's that's the reality. And

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of blokes just don't. We just

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Speaker 4: we just haven't had to think like that. We're not

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Speaker 4: thinking about or how to hold my keys when I'm

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Speaker 4: walking to my car at night. And you know, I

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Speaker 4: think if we want to change that, that is going

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Speaker 4: to take both cultural change and then some practical measures.

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Speaker 4: You say, here in camera, people love running around the lake.

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Speaker 4: It's really poorly lit. That's something that a lot of

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Speaker 4: women have been saying for a while. Now, put some

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Speaker 4: decent lighting up so we can we can actually not

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Speaker 4: run in the dark. So I think, yeah, we can

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Speaker 4: both work on the cultural change side of things as

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Speaker 4: well as practical measures. And then you know, law enforcement

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Speaker 4: saying after something like this while women just stay vigilant.

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Speaker 4: You can see why they're saying it, but it does

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Speaker 4: come off as not the right message to be sending.

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Speaker 2: You said, men talk to your mate. We all think

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Speaker 2: that men who have friends think that their mates would

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Speaker 2: never be like this. And yet I saw a terrible statistic.

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Speaker 2: This is from the AUSTRALIANSHU to family studies. They estimate

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Speaker 2: that more than one in three Australian men have used

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Speaker 2: intimate partner violence in their lifetime. And these are the

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Speaker 2: ones who are admitting to it. That's horrifying.

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Speaker 4: It is. It's a very sobering statistic, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that is the reality of this situation when

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Speaker 4: it comes to sexual violence, family and domestic violence. Is

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Speaker 4: that we as a society, we've liked to paint these

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Speaker 4: people as monsters. But these are our mates, you know,

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Speaker 4: these are people that we know who yeah, just just

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Speaker 4: have a really warped sense of what it is to

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Speaker 4: be a man. And you know, I think one of

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Speaker 4: the things our society and we talk a lot about

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Speaker 4: toxic masculinity. I think one of the things we need

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Speaker 4: to be talking more about is what is positive masculinity?

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Speaker 4: Where are the positive male role models? What does it

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Speaker 4: actually mean to be a man and to use your

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Speaker 4: strength to actually protect people, not to use it to

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Speaker 4: abuse your partner. So yeah, I think we clearly have

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Speaker 4: a long way to go as a as a society,

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Speaker 4: but I think we all have a have a role

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Speaker 4: to play well.

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Speaker 5: And we're talking about it and that's a big part

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Speaker 5: of it as well. And it's it's pause for thought

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Speaker 5: and when you post stuff like that, you actually think

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 1: Are right?

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Speaker 5: And someone listening to this might think, you know what,

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Speaker 5: if I see a girl walking down the raiding yoga pants,

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna yell at it or I'm just I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to do anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to live my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and talk to your mate.

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Speaker 1: Well, David, it's great to talk to you. What's going

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Speaker 1: on in Parliament today?

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Speaker 5: Anything anything going over the table that where you can

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Speaker 5: break for us Jones.

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Speaker 4: The parliament's not sitting to end of July. The new

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Speaker 4: labor government have given themselves a very sweet long holiday

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Speaker 4: before we get back into It's a little bit it's

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Speaker 4: a little bit frustrating given the challenges we're facing as

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Speaker 4: a country. But you know, that's that's the reality until July.

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Speaker 1: That's like Scomo times.

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Speaker 5: You's having a break where here we're working.

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Speaker 1: David's working. You're working, you're working on your reak, you're

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Speaker 1: out there running.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, yeah, the work doesn't stop, but you Parliament

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Speaker 4: won't sit for a while.

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Speaker 2: But David, thank you. I'd like to get you back

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Speaker 2: on to talk about all the stuff you say about

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Speaker 2: our gas reserves and where we are with that.

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Speaker 1: That's about that, some hot air about that.

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Speaker 4: Thanks you, thank you, cheers, thank you for co