1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Now Alice assault data is clear evidence of the effectiveness 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: of alcohol restrictions. That is, according to the People's Alcohol 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Action Coalition. They say that the latest Northern Territory Police 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: crime statistics revealed the benefit to Central Australia of the 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government's alcohol restrictions, which were introduced earlier this 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: year following a wave of alcohol fueled violence as well 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: as property damage in the second half of twenty twenty two. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line to talk more about 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: this is doctor John Boffer from the People's Alcohol Action 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Coalition in Alice Springs. Good morning to. 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: You, John, Good morning Caddy. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. John, tell 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: me what the recent data has shown since those alcohol 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: restrictions were introduced. 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: Look to make it really easy, Katie, what we've done. 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: All the Center Stowe Avers and Congress has done this 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: work and Pacy is thankful that this work has been done. 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Where they've grapped over time from two thousand and fifty 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: the monthly data and we've grafted in periods so people 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: can see what happened every month in the period after 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: the alcohol Stronger Futures reforms are removed. But also they 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: can see what was going on a monthly basis in 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 2: different periods. Now, when you do that, you see if 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: you look at the monthly average in the period of 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: the cessation of stronger futures compared to the monthly average 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: in the full twenty months after. For every March April, 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: there's a thirty seven percent reduction for domestic finance assaults. 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: But if you look at the peak months of two 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five assaults in a month, and you 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: look now we're around one hundred and fifteen assaults a month. 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: So from two hundred and fifty five at its peak, 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: two one hundred and fifteen is a per month is 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 2: a very gramatic reduction domestic finances salts. 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: It's massive. 35 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: Do the same thing and if you do the same 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: thing for propery offenses, because you know, some people are 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: more worried. Our major concern is into personal violence. Property 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: offenses also matter. But at our worst month, which is January, 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: we had eleven hundred and forty two property offenses in January. 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: We're now sitting at around five hundred a month. So 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: you know we've gone sin say three hundred a week 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: to one hundred a week for property offenses. So these 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: are dramatic and sustain improvements that we're seeing, but back 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: to levels that are still unacceptable. Yeah, no doubt about that. 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. As you were saying that, I was thinking, 46 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: oh goodness, man, it's still not great to have that 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: level of violence or that level of property offense. But 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: it's a huge reduction, isn't it, doctor Boffer. 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: It is a huge reduction. And really, I think this 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: whole experience now can be seen as a big wake 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: up call. So what happens if you turn to tap 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: the alcohol, tap back on or back up to full 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: level of supply in a region where we've got such 54 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: issues with poverty, inequality, unemployment, lack of education, early child 55 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: of trauma, You're going to see what we saw. So 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: we know that so we need Unfortunately, we need strong 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: supply reduction measures like we've got into the future while 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: we work on those underlying social delaminate And with this time, 59 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: we can't become complacent just because we've seen this speak 60 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: improvement doesn't mean ow everything's right now. The underlying issues 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: are still there. And if we want to move beyond 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: alcohol restrictions, which many people want to do, including business, 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: then we've got to address the unacceptable levels of poverty, 64 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: the unacceptable levels of unemployment, overcrowding, the educational issues which 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: are very large in Tens austral All those things need 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: to be addressed before we can start to say well, 67 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: we don't need supply reduction measures. And the other thing 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: Cardy that's really important is even within the Northern Territory, 69 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: cens Australia has a very differential problem when it comes 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: to alcohol. So the all caused alcoholic little hospitalization rate 71 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: in our springs is one hundred per thousand people per year. 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: That is many times higher than Darwin and it's twenty 73 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: times higher than the national language which is five per 74 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: thousand people per year. Yeah, but what people don't understand 75 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: is it's many times higher than the top end hospitalization 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: rate for alcohol. So we've got a differential problem. We 77 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: need special measures. We've now got them. These measures introduced 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: by the Chief Minister are dramatically effective and we need 79 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: them to stay. 80 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Boffer, are you concerned that the government is going 81 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: to get to the end of this month July? I 82 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: believe is when those restrictions end. Correct me if I'm wrong, 83 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: But are you concerned that they are going to look 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: at these stats and go, do you know what, I 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: think we can actually loosen things up a little bit. 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: Look, I'm really heartened by the fact that the government 87 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: have made it very clear they're going to keep looking 88 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: at the and if there's a continued improvement then the 89 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: restrictions will stay. So when they announced the three month 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: extension last time, that was done on the back of 91 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 2: a slight deterioration we're seen in March, and because things 92 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: got a little bit worse in March, there were the 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: naysays saying, oh, this is the beginning of the end. 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: The restrictions won't keep working. Well, April is a much 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: better month it can So there was a blip in March, 96 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: it's shown now over three months things have improved. We've 97 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: also got weekly data right up to the end of May, 98 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: so we know the improvements being sustained. It's not wearing 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: us and I think the commitment from government was if 100 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: the improvement's still there. And we heard from the police 101 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: just last week that May has been their best month 102 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: on record for the last four years. 103 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we'd heard the same through the week. We 104 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: had one of the acting Assistant commissioners on who had 105 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: said exactly that, and I think it's you know, it's 106 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: surprising for everybody to hear, but not when you actually 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: look at the level of work that's gone into those 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: restricts and some of the other services. Dr Boffert. There 109 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: might be some people listening who are thinking to themselves, well, 110 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: how can you be sure that it's the alcohol restrictions 111 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: which are working and not the surge in police and 112 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: the uptick of other services. 113 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: Oh look, I think we can be confident because the 114 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: restrictions began twenty fourth of January, and at that point 115 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: there's a sudden drop, a sudden drop in all the data, 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: including the Emensi Department of Tenants, so there were sixty 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: for January and December sixty domestic violence to tenancies per 118 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: week in the emense department suddenly drops two hundred thirty 119 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: and stays there. So there's this sudden change which happens 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: when the alcohol restrictions started, which is while we put 121 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: the data out using what we call the time series approach, 122 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 2: where we actually show you the point at which the 123 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: restrictions came and the immediate impact that that's had. So 124 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: we can be very confident that it's the alcohol restrictions 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: that have been the major contributor to this. But on 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: the other hand, but as well as that, other measures 127 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: are starting to be put in place. The extra police 128 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: have started to happen now, but not not straight away, 129 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: so that we've also we've now seen the new Luer 130 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 2: tip dintrol, which. 131 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: We've spoken to one of the young people. Yeah, and 132 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: we've spoken to one of the operators of the art 133 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: gallery in them All who told us that, you know, 134 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: those that lurea tipper patrol was having a phenomenal impact 135 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: and that it was a fantastic thing to have happened. 136 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: So it sounds, as you know, in addition to the 137 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: alcohol restrictions, that there are other things that are going 138 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: on which are having a really positive impact. Doctor Boffer. 139 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: I do want to ask, though, you know, what do 140 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: you think needs to happen here in terms of I 141 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: know you've sort of outlined it, but what do you 142 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: reckon needs to happen here? Because we are just a 143 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks away from those restrictions potentially lifting. The 144 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: government sort of haven't made any indication at this point 145 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: in time as to exactly what they're going to do. 146 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: I know you are certainly by the sounds of it, 147 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: hoping that they're going to be looking at this, and 148 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: one would hope that they do. But what do you 149 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: reckon needs to happen here? 150 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: Well, I understand there'll be a meeting of the Alcohol 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: Data Monitoring Group that the government set up soon, which 152 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: will give formal advice to the government. So I wasn't 153 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: expecting yet a decision on what will happen after July. 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: There's a process in train by which advice would be 155 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: given to government and then government will make a decision. Now, 156 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: Government clearly are waiting to see the data up to 157 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: the point at which the decision gets made. So I'm 158 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: hoping now that formal advice goes to government saying extend 159 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: the restrictions so that we've got them in place for 160 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: twelve months and then we keep looking at the data. Now, 161 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: if the data continues to show this sustained level of improvement, 162 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: then I think we're going to need to have these 163 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: restrictions even longer than that because the issues, the underlying 164 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: issues are going to take time to properly address. And 165 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: as I said before, if we turn the tap back on, 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: then we'll get the same same. 167 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Doctor, What do you say though to you know, like 168 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: I know that in the past, and we haven't heard 169 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: it quite so much in the last couple of weeks. 170 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: But what do you say, you know, to those that 171 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: say they don't want race based policy when it comes 172 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: to alcohol, and to those that maybe think that these is. 173 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I'd say is that the two 174 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: takeaway three days and the reduction in total takeaway hours 175 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Thursday Fridays for the whole town, yep, it's 176 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: not race based at all, it's everyone. And that those 177 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: restrictions have probably been the most important addition we've had, 178 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: more than the stronger future restrictions. But the second thing, 179 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: when it does come to the component of districtions that 180 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: are race based, which is the stronger future substrictions, they 181 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: enjoy significant support from average organizations, aboriginal leaders. And there 182 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: is a process in train now where there will be 183 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: a consultation with communities about alcohol management plans. There will 184 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: be an opportunity for communities to vote on that aspect 185 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: of THEIRS frictions going forward as to whether they say 186 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: where they don't stay. But remember in CeNSE, Australia, for 187 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: more than twenty five years, remote communities have declared themselves 188 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: dry under Northern Churchard legislation, and there's been a very 189 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: strong realization from Average and leaders over a very long 190 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: period of time that there needs to be very effective 191 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: alcohol supply reduction measures in place. So let's just see 192 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: where those consultations go. There's a lot of support from 193 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: Average and leaders, Average and communities for very strong alcohol 194 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: supply reduction measures because people see just the impact that 195 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: it has in making this town a much better place 196 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 2: to live and Alice things is really back to being 197 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: a really good place to live and work, and we 198 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: need to get that message out. 199 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: And are you finding as a result, you know, because 200 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: I know you and I have spoken before as well 201 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: about you know, about the lack of GPS, these struggles 202 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: to try and fill some of the different jobs in 203 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: Alice Springs, particularly in the you know, in the health sector, 204 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: are finding that you're sort of starting to see a 205 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: bit of a surge of people heading back to the 206 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: red center. 207 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: Well, look we are with nurse ins thank goodness, in 208 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: the last four weeks. Recently, we're still getting though too 209 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: many people who accept the job and then bring up 210 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: and say, oh, look, my family. Timely not to come 211 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: because other Springs are too violent now for non Averaginal people, 212 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: this town is about as safe as Melbourne and Sydney, 213 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: and we need to get that message out there so 214 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: that the stark reality is the disadvantage and the crime 215 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: is largely within the average on community and that needs 216 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: to be said potentially more loudly than it does. So 217 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: we've got to get on them to address the social 218 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 2: determinants of the issues within the average on communities of 219 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: central Australia. But for non average On people they should 220 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: not feel in any way now unsafe coming to Ella Springs. 221 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: We're back to where we were in twenty twenty one, 222 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty one we didn't have staff concerned 223 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: about coming here. So we've got to get the message 224 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: out that this is a We really have got a 225 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: lot of work to do to get on top of 226 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: these underlying issues, and we need health professionals and we 227 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: need teachers and we need other other workers to come 228 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: to someenras Australia and not be put off by the 229 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: bad period that we went through leading up to Christmas 230 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: last year. 231 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: Well, doctor John Boffer, I always appreciate your time. I'm 232 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: sure we'll probably talk in the coming days and weeks, 233 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: depending on what happens with these alcohol restrictions. But I 234 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: think that it is really good to see those different 235 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: sort of that data laid out really nice and simply 236 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: for people to be able to see for themselves as 237 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: well the impact that the restrictions are having. 238 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. It's great, Katy, and we're very 239 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: optimistic going forward with the additional investment and the real 240 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: focus from average organizations and government on getting to the 241 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: underlying issues that this time we won't become complacent and 242 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: we'll stay committed to the task until we make a 243 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: real difference. 244 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor John Boffer really appreciates your time this morning. 245 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for chatting with us. 246 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.