WEBVTT - The Ashy Bines Sea-Moss Saga 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.840 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.680 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.920 Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show. As she 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.320 binds calls out a brand for ripping her off, Jessica 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.160 Wilson is forced to de I she purchased designs off 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.280 Ali Barber and Sammy Guggenheimer admits she stalks other influences. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.760 But first, we must have had an influx of new listeners, Kate, 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.360 which is nice because we've had quite a few dms 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.440 where people have said, look, I'm confused. I didn't realize 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.120 that you guys were triplets. Why they're endless pregnancies? Can 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.280 you give us a bit of an explainer as to 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.960 what's going on. Perhaps we need to reinstate our old intro, 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.840 because in it we clearly state that we're identical triplets, 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.560 but we don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can gage, Oh, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.000 that's a blast from the past. We got rid of 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.600 it because it was a bit cringe. But maybe we 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.040 need to have a new, fast paced intro. But the 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.120 reason why it seems like there's endless pregnancies going on 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.200 is because Amy, and I so our other co host, Amy, 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.360 who hasn't been on the show for a couple of 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.760 weeks now. She gave birth six weeks ago, and Amy 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.200 and my pregnancies are nine weeks apart. And you are 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.520 Sophie and I am Sophie, And this is Kate on 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.720 the so co host Yeah. So I have a son 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.920 called Jack, who is nearly a year old. And it's 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.479 pretty confusing because we all study journalism together. We're all 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.840 thirty six years old. We all got married within a 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.520 year of each other. So you're probably lucky you weren't 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.840 around to hear about the endless wedding talk and endless 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.440 Hen's party talk that we had a couple of years ago. Yeah, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.400 but I mean to put a bit of differences out there. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.920 I used to work in news at Channel seven, and 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:37.640 then I went into PR. Amy and I have our 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:42.560 own PR business. Kay, you've worked in sports public relations. Yeah, 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.000 so I also studied journalism, but I moved more into 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.520 the marketing and PR space. So I worked at the 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.240 Adelaide thirty Six's and the Adelaide Thunderbirds and a few 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.440 different marketing companies, and then six years ago we decided 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:55.680 to do a podcast together. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:56.320 Yeah. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.840 It was because we'd actually all moved away from each 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.120 other for the first time, because we were all living 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.160 in a sharehouse together and then you know, became adults 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:05.680 and had to move out with our partners and such, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.000 and me thought, well, this is a good opportunity for 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.120 us to have a joint project together. It was a 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.040 bit of a passion project, but it has become your 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.440 full time job now, Kate. Yeah, it's still so weird 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.320 when people ask me what do you do? Because I 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.679 get really awkward, particularly around older people that don't really 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.720 get podcasts. I've been filling out so many forms at 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.360 the hospital lately and it's like, what is your job title? 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.280 But I always just say publicist Because of my BRF firm, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.600 I feel like it's easier to explain that. But if 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.920 there's any other questions new listeners have slide into our DMS, 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.360 maybe we have to do a bit more of a 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.400 get to know us episode. I don't hate anyone? You do? 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:44.000 You do? I don't. It turns out Sammy Guggenheimer is 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.360 just like us. In a Q and A, she admitted 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.800 she stalks influences she doesn't like. Well, it's a little 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.760 bit more than that. Her roommate Lily threw her under 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.760 the bars and said that she hates some influences. Maybe 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.000 she's a listener of this podcast then, So it all 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.760 started when a follower asked Sammy who favorite influencer was. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.120 Let's throw to what she said. I don't really watch 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.919 a lot of influences stuff that. My favorite influences are 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.960 probably Sofia and Chincia. Who else do I really like? 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.359 Alex l Who else do I like? Say? 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:28.160 Well, you don't like? Don't say that. Who's your favorite influences? 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:35.720 I don't hate anyone? You do you do? I don't. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.720 There's a lot of people I stalk because I know 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.960 stuff about them. I don't stalk not I'm a baking art. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.240 I love it that the room mate was dishing all 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.600 of the dirt. Oh she was really sticking the knife 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.440 in there, and you could tell Sammy was like, shut up. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.240 I mean, there are some obvious ones that we know 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.960 she has beef with, like Sofa Dofer and as we 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.560 discussed last week, the speculation that her and Easy Armitage 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.800 are no longer longer friends, but they did put their 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.920 podcast out together again, so they've squashed that there's also 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.040 a rumor she doesn't like Kerry Gribble. I was thinking 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.200 outside of the square though. Remember last year at Australian 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.960 Fashion Week, Sammy was spotted with Olivia Rogers ex Morgan Waterhouse. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.920 Yeah that was quite weird because Sammy and Olivia they 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.760 look quite similar. Yeah, they're most beautiful girls, which is 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.800 quite ironic because Olivia seems to date guys that look 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.119 like her ex husband Justin McGinn's. I mean, both Morgan 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.000 and Olivia seem to have a time. I wonder if 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.560 she stalks Olivia Rogers because she knows stuff about her 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.120 h I mean, I feel like there's probably a few 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.000 people on her stalking list. I mean, we all have 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.080 a stalking rotation, don't we. And the funniest thing about 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.159 stalking rotations when you're stalking normal people is that the 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.960 normal people become celebrities to you. Oh and then when 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.640 they put their account on private, I feel so robbed. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.039 I'm like, hang on, what am I going to do? 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.280 What are they up to? I just think that private 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.239 accounts should not be allowed because they mean for children. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.400 But the thing is, we have a finced. I have 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.280 had a finster ever since I got into journalism because 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.320 in class we were all told in order to get information, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.599 you need to have fake Instagram account. Yeah, do we 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.200 think that Samy's got a burner account? Oh, she totally 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.120 have a finster. I wonder how much effort she's put 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.880 into the finster though, because she is stalking influences. The 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.640 likelihood of them actually seeing the finster and saying, who 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.240 the fuck is this weirdo that keeps looking at my 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.920 stuff is very low. It's more when you are having 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.200 a stalk of everyday people that you can't really get 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.920 away with having a bit of a question pop up. See. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.800 I think you can always get away with having really 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.359 with everyone because it could be anyone. Yeah, but some 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.240 people don't get many views on their stories, and then 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.200 it's so obvious when there's just some random fucking picture 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.400 that like a sunset that keeps popping up. Hey, that 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.640 is the profile picture of our finsters, so don't give 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.080 it away. I have to go and change it. I 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.440 actually haven't had access to our finster for quite some time. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.760 But yeah, it's so funny. The name of it. I 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.840 won't say what it is because people will find it, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.200 but it's actually a name that we used to use 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.000 when I worked at the Thunderbirds because we had a 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.599 finster to try and direct positive commentary. And we found 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.360 out later that it's actually the name of one of 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.960 our nana's best friends, which I didn't know. Well, I 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.200 didn't know that we used to, like back back back 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.400 in the day, we used to have a Facebook finster 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.440 and that was quite a sophisticated one because in order 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.839 to have a Facebook finster you had to have quite 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.120 a number of photo I still feel bad about that 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.520 because essentially what we did was we found someone in 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.599 a different countries Facebook page and just copied all of 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.159 their photos across, which is terrible when you think about it. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.680 My friends recently he's had a fake hinge a count 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.680 made of him. And it was funny because at this 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.719 dinner we were talking about who in their right mind 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.520 would ever do that and still someone's photos, And I 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.440 was sitting there thinking, oh God, I did that like 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.719 fifteen years ago. I know, it's terrible. I feel like 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.640 it wasn't the same then, Like I mean also like 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.280 I wasn't tricking anyone into dating this. Yeah, I think 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.160 it's just to look at other people's pages. I think 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.480 if you're cat fishing people. That's scare you anyway. Back then, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.839 Sammy Kuginheimer, it feels like this is Confessions. I'm just 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.680 getting to know our deepest dark and secrets this episode. Yeah. Well, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.559 in terms of Sammy, on her public profile, she actually 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.200 follows a lot of ogs and influencers, So she's got 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.560 Sarah's Day, Shanny Grimman, Tammy Hermbrojade Tunci, Sky Wheatley, Steph 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.560 class Smith, and a bunch of others. So who knows, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.560 she may just be looking at these people's accounts on 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.280 her own. I hate following them. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.600 Someone had warned me, so I didn't waste my time, 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.400 my airtime, I didn't get my audience involved, because it 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.240 has been an absolute nightmare. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.080 As she bids, has issued a warning to her fellow influencers, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.680 don't work with a certain Sea Moss brand. The og 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.960 fitness influencer put the brand on blast after they didn't 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.000 pay her for the content she created for them. While 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.880 as she refrained from naming the company in her TikTok, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.480 it didn't take her audience long cake to guess who 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.440 it was. Yeah, one brand's name kept popping up time 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.440 and time again, and that was moss x Daily. So 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.440 in the video she said that she wasn't going to 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.400 name the company in order to protect herself, yet she 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.320 allowed people to go ham in the comments. It also 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.000 was fairly obvious who she was talking about, because she's 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.600 previously created content for them which people could easily find. Well, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.240 she said, people are gonna work it out. I mean 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.800 the weird thing is she still has the content up. Yeah, 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.320 but it's defamatory if people are gonna identify who it is. Yeah, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.880 there's the truth defense. So the controversial company is owned 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.680 by former Maths contestant Brett Vitilio, but we will dive 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.120 into that a little bit later. For now, Sophie, what 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.320 do you know about ce mos? I see all these 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.680 influencers starting their morning routines by essentially taking a spoonful 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.160 of something that looks completely inedible and a weird texture 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.800 and then basically pulling a face and saying how gross 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.160 it tastes, but they feel so much better for doing so. Yeah, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.720 there's been a lot of influencers spooking it recently. It 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.280 seems to be the new superfood that we're putting into 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.720 our smoothies. I mean, it looks disgusted. Really, I have 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.320 just seen people taking spoonfuls and eating it by the 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.080 jar like that. Ah Well, in the video ash bindshed 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.320 she put it into a smoothie during her promotional video 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.320 for this brand. I mean, it just seems to have 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.800 popped up out of nowhere to me. As you said, 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.280 it doesn't look very nice, but it's supposed to be 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:58.080 very nutritionally. Rich In saying that at this stage, there's 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.720 actually not a lot of scientific evidence that's supports the 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.480 health benefits that are being spraud No way, no way. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.040 I mean I can see how the partnership aligns with 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.520 Ashy Bien. She's all about health and fitness. It's very 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.360 on brand for her. Yeah. It was actually back in 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.120 July last year though, that she worked with the brand. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.640 So she created an Instagram reel promoting the semos, and 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.839 she claims that she went above and beyond. She chucked 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.080 in a couple of stories and TikTok shout outs for 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.880 free very dinnerous, and the brand was meant to pay 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.680 her for her work in August twenty twenty four. However, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.560 she says that she is still waiting to be paid. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.320 It's pretty bad if this is true, Whilst this brand 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.840 was messing Ashy around, she said, she started to get 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.160 complaints from her followers who said that they hadn't received 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.800 their orders, So, she said she followed it up with 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.920 the brand, and they claimed that they were struggling to 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.520 keep up with the influx of orders that came from 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.960 her promotion. Al I've actually added this in like, hey, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.840 future brands who want to work with me, I actually 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.240 sell a lot of stuff. To be fair, she said 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.160 she got over a hundred complaints about people that had 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.720 purchased the product and not received it, and she said 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.360 she said to become tired of being the middle person. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.160 It's bad for her brand that she's spooking something which 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.959 hasn't arrived. No, it was terrible. Here's more of what she. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.320 Said, trying to keep everyone happy and figure out what 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.760 was going on. I didn't want you guys to feel frustrated, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.400 but I felt like part responsible because I had promoted 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.439 the brand and sent you guys to buy this product 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.439 because I recommended it and I trusted it, And yeah, frustrating. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.080 It's unclear what Ash based this trust on, because what 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.960 became apparent is she did no research into this brand, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.720 and she really didn't help the situation by saying normally 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.080 she doesn't have to research the brand of the owner. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.000 I think this is a pretty good lesson for her. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.280 I mean, she's an OG influencer. She's been doing a 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.240 lot of brand deals for years now. I'm surprised that 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.079 this is the first time this has happened to it. Well, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.880 she just made it sound like she just takes any 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.880 deals for money. Really, I mean, it was only when 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.680 the brand didn't pay her that she began to do 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.480 her research, and that's when she discovered a bunch of 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.040 negative reviews on TikTok and Google. Or if she had 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.160 done her due diligence earlier, she would have quickly discovered 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.719 that this brand was not one that she would want 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.000 to align herself with. Because Kay, as you touched on 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.600 at the start of the segment, this Semos brand is 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.480 owned by a former Maths contestant called Brett Now. He 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.000 appeared on the show in twenty twenty two and he 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.080 was married to Tamara, and the couple didn't last long. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.480 He was later linked to fellow contestant Ella Ding and 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.160 he now dates Australian model and actor Taylor Davies. It 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.160 was a real blaster in the past, because I watched 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.760 this series and it's clear that Tamara is not happy 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.840 with him, because she was jumping in on Ashy Bynes's 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.040 comment saying what a bad guy he is. We'll go 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.480 into that a little bit later. Yeah, well he started 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.000 this Seamos business. After maths and the company states that 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.360 they're not just a Seamos company, they're a passionate movement 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:49.040 aimed at revolutionizing the seamoss industry in Australia and beyond. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.520 That term movement should have been a big enough red flag. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.240 Despite the bold claims, Brett has constantly been forced to 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.440 address complaints that customers aren't receiving their orders. He often 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.280 jumps on his Instagram stories and tells his four hundred 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.760 plus thousand followers that they're coming, just you need to 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.440 wait for them. Just be patient everyone. I've taken your money. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.920 Your orders are a few months late, but they're on 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.280 their way now. Despite his attempts to keep his customers happy, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.559 in March, New South Wales, Fair Trading issued a public 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.160 warning about the brand after receiving forty five complaints about 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.839 the products since January twenty twenty four, so the concerns 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:32.800 included spoiled products, missing orders, substantial delays and unfilled charity donations. Now, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.920 the brand's also been accused of going off the grid 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.840 when consumers raise concerns. In terms of the charity claim, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.959 moss x Daily claims to donate a portion of each 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.160 sale to a charity called One Dollar One Dream. But 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.920 when you dig a bit deeper, the charity is actually 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.079 operated by Brett himself. Yeah, so he claims that the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.000 charity gives back to the community that helps him harvest 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.920 the sea moss and team or less. According to New 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.000 South Wales Fair Trading, to date it has not been substanted. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.320 Actual added that the funds have been transferred from the 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.760 business to the charity. The Daily Telegraph also did some 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.880 digging and they discovered the charity also isn't registered with 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.760 the Australian Charities and Not for Profits Commission. I just 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.760 can't get my head around the fact that he owns 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.760 the charity that his brand is supposedly donating money too. Yeah. Now, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.439 when the publication questioned Brett about the status of the 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.520 charity in March, he claimed his charity isn't required to 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.360 be registered because it's not an Australian charity or brand, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.800 and that's because he's saying that the charity operates overseas, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.079 so essentially he doesn't have to abide by Australian laws. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:34.920 And he went on to say that his charity has 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.240 supported hundreds of Third World harvesting families. Now New South 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.800 Wales fair Trading has urged anyone who has dealt with 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.800 moss x Daily and is not satisfied to lodge a 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.040 complaint with them. It has had a flow on effect 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.960 for the brand, thankfully, because you currently cannot buy from 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.040 moss x Daily, so when you visit their website, you're 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.920 greeted with a message that says we're sorry. We're currently 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.640 sold out and not taking on any new orders until 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.880 the thirtieth of May twenty twenty five, So this Friday 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.160 until we catch up on our backlog. Sign up below 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.480 to be the first to know on our drop date. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.080 I mean, I don't think they're going to have too 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.160 many issues with that. Now back to Ashi, she claimed 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.800 she went public with the news about moss ex Daily 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.400 to warn other content creators not to fall victim like 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.840 she did. Are we buying it? Because it seems like 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.440 she had no other option, considering so many of her 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.200 followers had issues with the brand, even though as she 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.320 was fairly naive entering into this partnership, she and her 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.840 team are sophisticated enough to know that they need to 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.479 distance themselves publicly from this brand, so there's no confusion 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.280 over what her role was. Yes, she did a paid 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.000 partnership post with them and did a couple of extra freebies. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.240 She and her team want people to know that she 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.080 isn'tffiliated with this brand in anyway. I think she realized 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.360 if she stayed quiet, the story would negatively flip onto her. However, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.720 by coming out and saying that she's also a victim 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.720 of this brand, she's removed any blame or responsibility her 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.240 followers could have thrown at her. I think the timing 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.880 is pretty interesting because it's it also nearly been a 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.520 year since she worked with the brand, so maybe she's 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.640 just been waiting to see if she got paid, but 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.680 realizes now that there's no chance, particularly after New South 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.080 Wales was trading put that warning out. I'd love to 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.000 know how much they owed her. I know a couple 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.920 of weeks ago we spoke about an episode as she 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.320 did where she revealed some secrets and what her pricing 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.120 used to be. And she said that she used to 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.080 get paid between fifteen to ten thousand dollars for a post. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.600 She's reckoned, she's chasing that sort of money up. Oh yeah, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.560 I reckon you'd be right with that figure. I mean, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.080 this is very damaging for ash Bindes's influencing career because 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.320 she's admitted that she took on a brand deal about 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.320 a brand that she knew nothing about. She's broken down 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.920 the fourth wall now and spoken to her followers about 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.480 this failed brand deal, and in turn, she's just damaged 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.400 that trust that she had between her and her audience. Yeah, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.000 but do you think that she's trying to save face. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:52.760 Maybe she did know about this brand, but she just 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.800 wanted to take the money and take the risk with it. No, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.200 I think she genuinely didn't know about the brand. I 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.360 think she just didn't do any research because she probably thought, oh, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.120 it's a health related brand, C Moss. It kind of 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.080 fits in with what I'm all about. Yeah, do you 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.840 think influencers have a responsibility to actually research what they're spreaking? 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.760 I definitely think so. I mean, this is a multi 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.720 million billion dollar industry at the end of the day, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.080 most successful influencers have their own brand managers who essentially 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.080 set up these deals for them. It's the brand manager's 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.760 job to look into the deal and the brand behind it. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:25.880 Well. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.800 I think there's an onus on the influencer though to 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.680 approve it, because a lot of influencers go on about 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.600 how I only work with brands that I love, and 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.960 they preach all about that, But in terms of actually binds, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.880 it's clear that she's just happy to take on any 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.760 brand do and that's why I'm surprised that she's actually 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.560 come out and said it. Yeah, but I also think 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.520 the responsibility lies with the brand manager as well, because 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.280 they're taking cut of the deal as well, and it 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.640 wouldn't be hard for them to google or do a 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.160 quick TikTok search to make sure that the brand is 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.200 actually fulfilling its orders and that there's no complaints about 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.440 the brand. Yeah, I mean the fact that they couldn't 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.600 even google it. There was actually a really hilarious exchange 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.760 between Ashy and one of her followers on TikTok that 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.080 cracked me up. So someone wrote, is there any way 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.440 you can get lawyers involved? Because it was a contract 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.119 This is why I don't just purchase off just because 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.080 influencers say it's good. We need to do research. No 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.920 offense to you personally, I mean anyone that person gets 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.480 paid to say they like the product. And as she replied, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.640 I love influencers recommendations as it's so personal. I don't 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.800 follow anyone I don't trust. And then the person replied, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.000 but you've just admitted that you didn't do any research. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.359 I think it's difficult to trust when this stuff happens 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.600 a lot, And then Ashi replied, I researched via their website, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.439 but never in my ten years did I feel the 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.000 need to do a deep dive into the owner or 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.760 Google review my lesson to learn. But the products I 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.080 did love and website looked amazing. So but what research 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:44.480 did you do? 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:44.720 Then? 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.600 You just looked at the website and saw a bit 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.199 of a flashy photo of last night. Yeah, as I 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.440 referenced a little bit earlier in this segment, So if 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.159 it seems like Brett has left a lasting impression on Tamara, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.159 his math's ex wife. So she also chimed in in 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.040 Ashi's comments section, saying, imagine a reality TV show matching 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.000 you with this guy. And making you the villain for 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.840 seeing him for the fraud he is. And as she 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.720 bines replied, I didn't even know he was on there. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.240 That's insane. So she clearly did not know much about 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.480 this brand or who owns it. Look, I think whenever 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.119 we hear an influencers say I've done my own research, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:18.760 we've got to take that with a grain of salt. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.480 I need to prep for the launch. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:21.720 Start. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.960 We've got one launch. The new albums are going up. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.879 I need to organize the email that's going to go 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.320 out at seven to just let people know it's live. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.360 Jessica Wilson has been forced to deny she purchased designs 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.560 off Ali Barber in the lead up to her latest 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.000 product launch. The mummy blogger turned a small business owner 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.600 was set to release her new line of photo albums 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.520 when a super sleuth discovered Ali Barber was selling the 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.840 exact same design for a fraction of the cost. So, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.640 before we get into it, who is Jessica Wilson. Well, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.000