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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show. As she

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Speaker 1: binds calls out a brand for ripping her off, Jessica

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Speaker 1: Wilson is forced to de I she purchased designs off

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Speaker 1: Ali Barber and Sammy Guggenheimer admits she stalks other influences.

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Speaker 1: But first, we must have had an influx of new listeners, Kate,

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Speaker 1: which is nice because we've had quite a few dms

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Speaker 1: where people have said, look, I'm confused. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that you guys were triplets. Why they're endless pregnancies? Can

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Speaker 1: you give us a bit of an explainer as to

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Speaker 1: what's going on. Perhaps we need to reinstate our old intro,

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Speaker 1: because in it we clearly state that we're identical triplets,

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Speaker 1: but we don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can gage, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a blast from the past. We got rid of

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Speaker 1: it because it was a bit cringe. But maybe we

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Speaker 1: need to have a new, fast paced intro. But the

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Speaker 1: reason why it seems like there's endless pregnancies going on

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Speaker 1: is because Amy, and I so our other co host, Amy,

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Speaker 1: who hasn't been on the show for a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks now. She gave birth six weeks ago, and Amy

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Speaker 1: and my pregnancies are nine weeks apart. And you are

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Speaker 1: Sophie and I am Sophie, And this is Kate on

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Speaker 1: the so co host Yeah. So I have a son

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Speaker 1: called Jack, who is nearly a year old. And it's

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Speaker 1: pretty confusing because we all study journalism together. We're all

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Speaker 1: thirty six years old. We all got married within a

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Speaker 1: year of each other. So you're probably lucky you weren't

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Speaker 1: around to hear about the endless wedding talk and endless

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Speaker 1: Hen's party talk that we had a couple of years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I mean to put a bit of differences out there.

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Speaker 1: I used to work in news at Channel seven, and

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Speaker 1: then I went into PR. Amy and I have our

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Speaker 1: own PR business. Kay, you've worked in sports public relations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I also studied journalism, but I moved more into

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Speaker 1: the marketing and PR space. So I worked at the

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Speaker 1: Adelaide thirty Six's and the Adelaide Thunderbirds and a few

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Speaker 1: different marketing companies, and then six years ago we decided

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Speaker 1: to do a podcast together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was because we'd actually all moved away from each

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Speaker 1: other for the first time, because we were all living

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Speaker 1: in a sharehouse together and then you know, became adults

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Speaker 1: and had to move out with our partners and such,

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Speaker 1: and me thought, well, this is a good opportunity for

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Speaker 1: us to have a joint project together. It was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a passion project, but it has become your

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Speaker 1: full time job now, Kate. Yeah, it's still so weird

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Speaker 1: when people ask me what do you do? Because I

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Speaker 1: get really awkward, particularly around older people that don't really

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Speaker 1: get podcasts. I've been filling out so many forms at

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Speaker 1: the hospital lately and it's like, what is your job title?

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Speaker 1: But I always just say publicist Because of my BRF firm,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's easier to explain that. But if

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Speaker 1: there's any other questions new listeners have slide into our DMS,

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Speaker 1: maybe we have to do a bit more of a

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Speaker 1: get to know us episode. I don't hate anyone? You do?

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Speaker 1: You do? I don't. It turns out Sammy Guggenheimer is

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Speaker 1: just like us. In a Q and A, she admitted

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Speaker 1: she stalks influences she doesn't like. Well, it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit more than that. Her roommate Lily threw her under

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Speaker 1: the bars and said that she hates some influences. Maybe

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Speaker 1: she's a listener of this podcast then, So it all

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Speaker 1: started when a follower asked Sammy who favorite influencer was.

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Speaker 1: Let's throw to what she said. I don't really watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of influences stuff that. My favorite influences are

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Speaker 1: probably Sofia and Chincia. Who else do I really like?

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Speaker 1: Alex l Who else do I like? Say?

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Speaker 2: Well, you don't like? Don't say that. Who's your favorite influences?

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Speaker 1: I don't hate anyone? You do you do? I don't.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people I stalk because I know

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Speaker 1: stuff about them. I don't stalk not I'm a baking art.

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Speaker 1: I love it that the room mate was dishing all

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Speaker 1: of the dirt. Oh she was really sticking the knife

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Speaker 1: in there, and you could tell Sammy was like, shut up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are some obvious ones that we know

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Speaker 1: she has beef with, like Sofa Dofer and as we

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Speaker 1: discussed last week, the speculation that her and Easy Armitage

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Speaker 1: are no longer longer friends, but they did put their

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Speaker 1: podcast out together again, so they've squashed that there's also

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Speaker 1: a rumor she doesn't like Kerry Gribble. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: outside of the square though. Remember last year at Australian

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Speaker 1: Fashion Week, Sammy was spotted with Olivia Rogers ex Morgan Waterhouse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was quite weird because Sammy and Olivia they

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Speaker 1: look quite similar. Yeah, they're most beautiful girls, which is

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Speaker 1: quite ironic because Olivia seems to date guys that look

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Speaker 1: like her ex husband Justin McGinn's. I mean, both Morgan

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Speaker 1: she stalks Olivia Rogers because she knows stuff about her

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Speaker 1: people on her stalking list. I mean, we all have

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Speaker 1: a stalking rotation, don't we. And the funniest thing about

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Speaker 1: stalking rotations when you're stalking normal people is that the

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Speaker 1: normal people become celebrities to you. Oh and then when

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Speaker 1: they put their account on private, I feel so robbed.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hang on, what am I going to do?

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Speaker 1: What are they up to? I just think that private

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Speaker 1: accounts should not be allowed because they mean for children.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, we have a finced. I have

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Speaker 1: had a finster ever since I got into journalism because

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Speaker 1: in class we were all told in order to get information,

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Speaker 1: you need to have fake Instagram account. Yeah, do we

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Speaker 1: think that Samy's got a burner account? Oh, she totally

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Speaker 1: have a finster. I wonder how much effort she's put

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Speaker 1: into the finster though, because she is stalking influences. The

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Speaker 1: likelihood of them actually seeing the finster and saying, who

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Speaker 1: the fuck is this weirdo that keeps looking at my

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Speaker 1: stuff is very low. It's more when you are having

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Speaker 1: a stalk of everyday people that you can't really get

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Speaker 1: away with having a bit of a question pop up. See.

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Speaker 1: I think you can always get away with having really

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Speaker 1: with everyone because it could be anyone. Yeah, but some

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Speaker 1: people don't get many views on their stories, and then

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Speaker 1: it's so obvious when there's just some random fucking picture

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Speaker 1: that like a sunset that keeps popping up. Hey, that

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Speaker 1: is the profile picture of our finsters, so don't give

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Speaker 1: it away. I have to go and change it. I

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Speaker 1: actually haven't had access to our finster for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so funny. The name of it. I

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Speaker 1: won't say what it is because people will find it,

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Speaker 1: finster to try and direct positive commentary. And we found

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Speaker 1: our nana's best friends, which I didn't know. Well, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that we used to, like back back back

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Speaker 1: My friends recently he's had a fake hinge a count

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Speaker 1: made of him. And it was funny because at this

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Speaker 1: dinner we were talking about who in their right mind

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the same then, Like I mean also like

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Speaker 1: I wasn't tricking anyone into dating this. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it's just to look at other people's pages. I think

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Speaker 1: if you're cat fishing people. That's scare you anyway. Back then,

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Speaker 1: Sammy Kuginheimer, it feels like this is Confessions. I'm just

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Speaker 1: getting to know our deepest dark and secrets this episode. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: in terms of Sammy, on her public profile, she actually

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Speaker 1: Sarah's Day, Shanny Grimman, Tammy Hermbrojade Tunci, Sky Wheatley, Steph

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Speaker 2: Someone had warned me, so I didn't waste my time,

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Speaker 2: my airtime, I didn't get my audience involved, because it

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Speaker 1: As she bids, has issued a warning to her fellow influencers,

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Speaker 1: don't work with a certain Sea Moss brand. The og

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Speaker 1: fitness influencer put the brand on blast after they didn't

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Speaker 1: it didn't take her audience long cake to guess who

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Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, one brand's name kept popping up time

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Speaker 1: in the video she said that she wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: was fairly obvious who she was talking about, because she's

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Speaker 1: previously created content for them which people could easily find. Well,

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Speaker 1: but it's defamatory if people are gonna identify who it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's the truth defense. So the controversial company is owned

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Speaker 1: by former Maths contestant Brett Vitilio, but we will dive

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Speaker 1: into that a little bit later. For now, Sophie, what

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Speaker 1: do you know about ce mos? I see all these

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Speaker 1: influencers starting their morning routines by essentially taking a spoonful

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of influencers spooking it recently. It

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Speaker 1: seems to be the new superfood that we're putting into

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Speaker 1: our smoothies. I mean, it looks disgusted. Really, I have

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Speaker 1: jar like that. Ah Well, in the video ash bindshed

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Speaker 1: for this brand. I mean, it just seems to have

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look very nice, but it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: very nutritionally. Rich In saying that at this stage, there's

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Speaker 1: actually not a lot of scientific evidence that's supports the

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Speaker 1: health benefits that are being spraud No way, no way.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can see how the partnership aligns with

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Speaker 1: Ashy Bien. She's all about health and fitness. It's very

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Speaker 1: on brand for her. Yeah. It was actually back in

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Speaker 1: So she created an Instagram reel promoting the semos, and

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Speaker 1: she claims that she went above and beyond. She chucked

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Speaker 1: in a couple of stories and TikTok shout outs for

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Speaker 1: free very dinnerous, and the brand was meant to pay

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Speaker 1: her for her work in August twenty twenty four. However,

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Speaker 1: she says that she is still waiting to be paid.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty bad if this is true, Whilst this brand

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Speaker 1: was messing Ashy around, she said, she started to get

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Speaker 1: complaints from her followers who said that they hadn't received

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Speaker 1: their orders, So, she said she followed it up with

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Speaker 1: the brand, and they claimed that they were struggling to

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Speaker 1: her promotion. Al I've actually added this in like, hey,

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Speaker 1: future brands who want to work with me, I actually

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Speaker 1: she got over a hundred complaints about people that had

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Speaker 1: she said to become tired of being the middle person.

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Speaker 1: sells photo albums, baby books, and gifts. And on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: she was busy getting ready to launch her new line

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Speaker 1: of peel and stick albums, which I have to say

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Speaker 1: looked pretty cool. So what does a peel and stick album? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's like an old school photo album where you peel

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Speaker 1: back the plastic and you stick your photos down, and

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Speaker 1: then she's got these cute stickers that you can bring

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Speaker 1: to life a holiday photo that's now called a peel

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Speaker 1: and stick album. That's what she's marketing it as. So

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Speaker 1: that made me think of like a sticker book for kids. Well,

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Speaker 1: it kind of is like that, because she's selling these

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Speaker 1: colorful stickers that bring the photos to life. Anyway, it's

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Speaker 1: a scrapbooking for people that don't have time to put

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Speaker 1: all of the effort in. It's kind a lazy scrap cat.

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Speaker 1: I like the idea. So she showed herself on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: sitting in front of her laptop. She had stacks of

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Speaker 1: stickers out in front of her, and she conceded that

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Speaker 1: she was exhausted but ready to launch that night. Now,

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Speaker 1: in what wasn't the best timing for Jessica, a few

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Speaker 1: hours before her product were set to launch, a super

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Speaker 1: sleuth uncovered photo albums bearing the exact same design selling

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Speaker 1: on Ali Barber for a fraction of the cost. Now.

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Speaker 1: Ali Barber is, of course a wholesale marketplace which is

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Speaker 1: known for drop shipping products sourced from China, and it

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Speaker 1: connects buyers with large networks of manufacturers and suppliers who

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Speaker 1: offer items at a very competitive price. It is ideal

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Speaker 1: for buyers looking to purchase large quantities of products at

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Speaker 1: a lower cost, and over the years, drop shipping and

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Speaker 1: e commerce brands have become influencers. Bread and butter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say that a lot of influencers have

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Speaker 1: made a name for themselves by selling cheap products, particularly

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Speaker 1: some of the more low level influencers by just spooking

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Speaker 1: any old crap on their Instagram. Now, what seems to

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Speaker 1: have shocked a lot of people was the disparity in

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Speaker 1: price with Jessica's albums and the ones on Ali Barber.

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Speaker 1: So on Ali Barber, the albums were sold for just

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Speaker 1: two to three dollars apiece if you ordered a minimum

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Speaker 1: of three hundred albums, whereas on jessica website Bloomstore, her

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Speaker 1: albums were listed as seventy four to ninety five. Now

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Speaker 1: was a bit awkward because the super sleuth in question

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Speaker 1: actually uploaded the screenshot to our Facebook community and accused

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Speaker 1: Jessica of purchasing the designs from Ali Barber and simply

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Speaker 1: slapping her brand name on top. The anonymous user wrote

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Speaker 1: thoughts on influencers, alleging they designed something that was purchased

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Speaker 1: from Ali Barber and then sold for seventy five dollars

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Speaker 1: a pop. Now, this thread went off in our Facebook

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Speaker 1: group and it got a lot of people talking about

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty champagne flute saga. This is probably one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite stories we've ever covered on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and OG listeners will remember that Olivia White was caught

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Speaker 1: out selling Ali Barber glasses that she was passing off

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Speaker 1: as her own design, and she spoke a lot about

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Speaker 1: how the glasses represented her mum's figure, and then of

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Speaker 1: course it came out that they were actually created on

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Speaker 1: Ali Barber with a huge markup it was quite nice

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Speaker 1: because one listener said they actually discovered our podcasts through

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Speaker 1: that segment. It is a favorite of mine as well well. Now.

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Speaker 1: In response to the Super Sleuths screenshots, one listener wrote

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Speaker 1: will epically fail, just like Olivia White's custom wineglasses, whilst

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Speaker 1: another said slapping a logo on an Ali Barber special

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Speaker 1: is not designing. I mean, she is one of the

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Speaker 1: laziest influences going around, so I'm not surprised. I just

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Speaker 1: feel bad for people who spend seventy five dollars on

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Speaker 1: a supposed original design bit hash. I mean, I do

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Speaker 1: want to point out that there is much more to

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Speaker 1: this story, because these were merely unfounded allegations, which Jessica

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Speaker 1: has since come out swinging again. So hours out from

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Speaker 1: her launch, Jessica was quick to respond to the allegations.

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Speaker 1: She wrote, it's come to my attention that a photo

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Speaker 1: of our new Peel and Stick album is circulating alongside

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Speaker 1: an Ali Barber listing with claims that I've bought pre

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Speaker 1: made designs and pass them off as my own. I

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Speaker 1: want to be completely transparent and clear that is not

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Speaker 1: what happened. She continued, saying that she created the designs

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Speaker 1: in collaboration with Studio Nu, which is the same creative

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Speaker 1: team she's been working with for years. She confirmed she

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Speaker 1: had receipts, date stamped concept drafts, mood boards, and communications

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Speaker 1: which show the process of bringing the photo album collection

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Speaker 1: to life. She continued saying the designs were imagined, revised

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Speaker 1: and finalized with intention, and that she was incredibly proud

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Speaker 1: of the work they did. She then explained why the

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Speaker 1: same designs were currently being featured on Ali Barber. She wrote, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it appears that the manufacturer we work with has used

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Speaker 1: our designs to promote themselves on Ali Barber. I was

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Speaker 1: unaware this was happening and will be following up with

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Speaker 1: them immediately. She admitted that that part was on her

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Speaker 1: and she should have known to protect the designs, and

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Speaker 1: she is learning from it. She finished by saying she

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Speaker 1: wants her followers to know that she pours her heart

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Speaker 1: into every product that they create and that every phrase

518
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Speaker 1: and colourway is carefully considered. She conceded that the timing

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Speaker 1: was heartbreaking, with the news coming just as she was

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Speaker 1: preparing to launch. This would be absolutely awful. Jessica did

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Speaker 1: as promise CHAF Screenshots of her correspondence with her graphic

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Speaker 1: designer Studio and You for some background, boutique business based

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Speaker 1: in Townsville and has four designers on the team, which

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Speaker 1: is quite interesting because sometimes when you hear the influencers

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Speaker 1: are working with graphic designers, you assume that maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a company based in another country that's very cheap. This

527
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: is clearly a boutique agency that she has a connection

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Speaker 1: with and a long standing partnership with. Yeah, so, she

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Speaker 1: uploaded an email showing Studio and You emailed her the

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Speaker 1: initial draft of the designs in mid November last year.

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Speaker 1: She then shared a WhatsApp conversation from the fifth of

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Speaker 1: February where the designer said she had emailed her the

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Speaker 1: new artwork, as well as subsequent messages showing screenshots of

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Speaker 1: the designs as they were evolving. Yeah. So, she did

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Speaker 1: bring all the receipts, and she added at the end,

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Speaker 1: that's all from me on this. I've shared the facts

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Speaker 1: and the process. I hope it clears things up. This

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Speaker 1: brand means the world to me, and I'll always protect

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Speaker 1: the work we put into it. Now I'm shifting my

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Speaker 1: energy back into what really matters. Celebrating a launch I'm

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Speaker 1: incredibly proud of Thank you for being here, for supporting

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Speaker 1: small business, and for choosing Bloom to help you tell

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Speaker 1: your stories. I instantly felt really sorry for Jessica because

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Speaker 1: this is clearly a young mum who has poured her

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Speaker 1: heart and soul into a small business for three years now,

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Speaker 1: and it's quite clear that she has a relationship with

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Speaker 1: a genuine graphic design team that she's been working with

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Speaker 1: for years, and she didn't just rip these designs off

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Speaker 1: Ali Barber in saying that, I'm surprised that the design

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Speaker 1: team didn't tell her to copyright the designs. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is surprising that they didn't do more to copyright these designs.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like the manufacturer took advantage in this situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how it's legal for them to do so.

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Speaker 1: A number of business owners in our group did take

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Speaker 1: the time to point out that manufacturers on Ali Barber

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Speaker 1: often use photos of products that they have created to

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Speaker 1: promote the work that they've done. So sometimes they will

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Speaker 1: ask the customer if they can use the product image

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Speaker 1: in their listings, but other times they will just go

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Speaker 1: ahead and use it unless the customer has explicitly said

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Speaker 1: so so in this case, it seems like Jessica and

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Speaker 1: her graphic designer should have said, under no circumstances are

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Speaker 1: you to use our images. I mean, I can see

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Speaker 1: how this super sluth jumped to the initial conclusion and

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Speaker 1: how people ran with it, because influencers really do get

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Speaker 1: a bad rap for slapping their name on any old

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Speaker 1: drop shipping company and charging big bucks for it. In

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Speaker 1: terms of this situation, it's very unfortunate. It does seem

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Speaker 1: like Jessica was working with a manufacturer that does stuff

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Speaker 1: for Ali Barbaba. So I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: confusion around Ali Barber as a platform itself, because whenever

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Speaker 1: you hear the word Ali Barber, it has a very

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Speaker 1: negative connotation. I think people automatically assume that a business

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Speaker 1: must not be legit if they do their orders through

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Speaker 1: Ali Barber, when in reality, it is a legitimate platform

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Speaker 1: that connects a lot of businesses with manufacturers, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time small businesses work with Ali Barber

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Speaker 1: because that's all that they can afford. There also seems

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of confusion around pricing on platforms

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Speaker 1: like Ali Barber, because you know, you see this post

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Speaker 1: from the super Sluth and you think, oh wow, like

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Speaker 1: I could just jump on Ali Barber and get the

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Speaker 1: same photo opt for two to three dollars. But the

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Speaker 1: reality is, in order to get it for that price,

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Speaker 1: you've got to buy three hundred of them. So the

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Speaker 1: average customer isn't going to be doing that. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I suppose it just demonstrates the markup that people are

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Speaker 1: able to put on these products. Yeah. But that's also

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00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: where there's some confusion because a lot of business owners

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Speaker 1: have come out and said that there are so many

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Speaker 1: hidden costs when it comes to all of the importation taxes,

592
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: any customizations you need, there's clearance, fees, shippings, there's warehousing,

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Speaker 1: also all the branding and marketing that goes into promoting

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Speaker 1: the product. So I don't think it's as clear cut

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Speaker 1: as saying, oh, this album was cost two dollars to

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Speaker 1: make feel really bad for Jessica because the timing was

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00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible, and that's why I wanted to clear things

598
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Speaker 1: up on the podcast. There was a broader conversation afterwards

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Speaker 1: in our group as to whether this was all orchestrated

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Speaker 1: to try and destroy her launch. I mean, it seems

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Speaker 1: to be a common occurrence these days that as soon

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Speaker 1: as an influencer launches a brand, people go and do

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Speaker 1: their research into it. We saw it on the moly

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Speaker 1: May documentary. I mean there were terrible reviews about the

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Speaker 1: she was using. People started to pick about where it

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Speaker 1: was made. I mean, even before she launched, there was

607
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: a TikToker who looked into her ABN and all of

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00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the background details just to pick what the business was

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Speaker 1: actually going to be, because at the time there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of question marks as to what she was

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Speaker 1: actually launching. I would be so scared if I was

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Speaker 1: an influencer launching a brand in twenty twenty five, because

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Speaker 1: the scrutiny is so intense. Oh, it really is, and

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Speaker 1: everyone just wants to prove, Oh they're not doing it sustainably,

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00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: it's not good enough, there's not enough sizes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to act all innocent in this because

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Speaker 1: we have had quite a few segments diving into some

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Speaker 1: complaints about influencer brands, which have all been substantiated.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, there's a time and place for it,

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Speaker 1: but it just seems because of that, there's been some

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Speaker 1: bad stories every time it influencer launches a brand. We

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Speaker 1: just think the worst that it mustn't be a good thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think it came from a lot of people

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00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: almost wanting to believe the worst in this brand and

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00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: the worst in the influencer in question. Well that's where

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Speaker 1: we're going to leave things today. If you do enjoy

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Speaker 1: the podcast, we would love it if you can make

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Speaker 1: sure that you are subscribed on Apple, Spotify and leave

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Speaker 1: us a five star review. This podcast was recorded on

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Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains.

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Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present,