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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Leanne Wood and I'm Susie Burrow and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Nutrition Couch, a weekly podcast from two of

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Speaker 1: austrays leading dietitians, bringing you everything that is new in

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Speaker 1: the world of nutrition, diets, and good food from the

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Speaker 1: Nutrition Couch. Today we are chatting honey, golden syrup, glucose, rice,

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Speaker 1: molt syrup.

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Speaker 2: True gul and sugar.

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Speaker 1: Is it really bad for us? Are some types better

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Speaker 1: than others? And how much is too much? Each day?

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Speaker 1: Today we take a closer look at the substance that

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Speaker 1: makes our life a whole lot sweeter and our client

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Speaker 1: case study is on bariatric surgery. We talk about the

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Speaker 1: dietary implications and nutritional implications to be aware of if

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Speaker 1: you've had one or if you're considering bariatric surgery. Our

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Speaker 1: product review is on a wonderful new veggie cauliflower rice

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Speaker 1: that we found and Susie, I know that you love

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Speaker 1: this one. And our listener question is on protein balls.

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Speaker 1: Are they healthy? Can we eat them each day? And

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Speaker 1: what makes us choose a better one? But to get

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Speaker 1: a started this week, thought I would give you guys

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Speaker 1: a little bumpy update. Susie, we are what are we

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Speaker 1: thirty two weeks heading into week thirty three. So guys,

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Speaker 1: we are getting on. It's summer. It's hot up in Brisbane.

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Speaker 1: I must admit I'm feeling a little bit puffy, Susie,

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Speaker 1: and a little bit breathless. Like I always thought, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to be that person that gets breathless or

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Speaker 1: get you know, that gets a bit puffy. But guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm here, We're there.

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Speaker 3: We're still got a month or two two to go.

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Speaker 2: I've got one word. I've got two words for you.

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Speaker 2: Beetroot juice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have heard that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So with twins, I was very puffy, understandably, and particularly

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Speaker 2: as my blood pressure started to go a little bit

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Speaker 2: up at the end just because of the enormous load,

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Speaker 2: I found beetroot juice really handy. So instead of a coffee,

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Speaker 2: which I sort of went off, I had a beettroot

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Speaker 2: juice each morning.

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Speaker 3: So I can tell you that.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a great excuse for a little

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Speaker 2: daily nap, to be honest, to put those legs up.

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Speaker 3: But again, you know you're up there. It is warm.

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt it's not the easiest hauling around

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Speaker 2: that bump at the moment. But you know, it's also

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Speaker 2: a really nice time. So rest while you can, my love,

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Speaker 2: rest why you can?

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I have to go find my blunder

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Speaker 1: and make up some beetroot juice. That sounds great, But

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Speaker 1: I still haven't packed my hospital bags. Everyone's like you

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Speaker 1: should do it early. I'm like, i'll get there, So listeners,

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Speaker 1: if you have any tips on what I should be

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Speaker 1: putting into my hospital bag, please send us a DM

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Speaker 1: and let me know. But Zuzie, what was the big

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Speaker 1: one or two recommendations you had for your hospital bag?

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Speaker 2: Well, tell you a silly story. I was like so excited,

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Speaker 2: you know, the first were the only babies, and I

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Speaker 2: packed like the kitchen sinkly and like I took a kettle.

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Speaker 2: I took so much stuff it was actually embarrassing. And

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Speaker 2: then I moved from a smaller room to a slightly

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Speaker 2: with it all because I was so embarrassed with how

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Speaker 2: much stuff I actually took. So I think go for

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Speaker 2: the sort of the lighter plan the hospitals have tea.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to take your own kettle. I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to be having, you know, my tea in

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Speaker 2: my own cup, Like just the most ridiculous thoughts. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think I found most helpful.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be in the hospital in my pajamas.

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Speaker 2: So I took these great dresses, which are just those

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Speaker 3: So a little strapless summer.

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Speaker 2: A flowy, loose dress to wear so when people come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, love it, love it. I have to go online jopping.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny that you mentioned a kettle because I

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Speaker 1: saw a video on TikTok and a guy had brought

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in the headspace that I'm like, hey, babe,

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Speaker 1: But it was so funny and it went viral. It

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Speaker 1: just thought, oh my goodness, like, there is no room

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Speaker 3: I love my fryer.

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Speaker 2: It's just so opposite to what you think it's going

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Speaker 2: So yeah, keep it simple is my tip. They can

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Speaker 2: will go a long way in making you look glam

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Speaker 2: and feel good straight after you've had your baby, amazing, amazing.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, to kick yourself this week? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Let's chat sugar. And I think probably the one or

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Speaker 1: I've made some wonderful changes, I'm doing so well, but

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Speaker 1: of people sort of go, you know, I stopped putting

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Speaker 1: what sugar in my tea and I've swapped to organic

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Speaker 1: I now put maple syrup on and it's organic maple syrup.

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Speaker 1: Not having that understanding that at the most basic level,

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Speaker 1: sugar equal sugar. And I think that's an important and

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Speaker 1: a quick conversation to have, Susie, that you know, just

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Speaker 1: slightly different effects on our blood sugar levels, but overall,

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Speaker 1: my basic sort of recommendation for my clients is generally

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Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing about sugar in recent years.

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Speaker 2: For probably the ten or fifteen years, it was all

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Speaker 3: Very very specific about sugar types.

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Speaker 2: There was also a lot of talk around fructose and

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Speaker 2: high fructose corn syrup, which we should say is is

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Speaker 2: There's a really big difference between naturally occurring sugars and

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Speaker 2: grams of added sugars per serve. So the TAKEO message

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Speaker 2: is scan your ingredient list, because all of those are

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Speaker 2: basically added sugars. Just because it isn't sucrose or table

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Speaker 2: that it's honey, it's still added sugar. And really all

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Speaker 2: lifestyle and exercise to really reap the full benefits. And

435
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Speaker 2: as I said, it's only ever my last resort when

436
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Speaker 2: it comes because I try and keep people eating and

437
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Speaker 2: enjoying their food in their life as long as I

438
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Speaker 2: can Before I would ever suggest or reckon in bariotric

439
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Speaker 2: surgery and I'm on.

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Speaker 1: The same page. And I would say most of the

441
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Speaker 1: clients that I used to see, I used to do

442
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Speaker 1: the pre screening barratic clinics and sort of follow them

443
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Speaker 1: through as well. We actually did some publicly funded barratric surgery,

444
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Speaker 1: which was a sort of a Queensland such Australia sort

445
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Speaker 1: of first, I believe many years ago at the hospital

446
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Speaker 1: I used to work at, and that was sort of

447
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Speaker 1: it was difficult because you know, when you're not really

448
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Speaker 1: paying for it, you're not as invested. So just the

449
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Speaker 1: follow up trying to get them to take their multi

450
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Speaker 1: vitamins was like just the amount of malnutrition I was

451
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Speaker 1: seeing post follow up SUSI was just it was horrendous.

452
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Speaker 1: But anyway, but you know, if some of them were

453
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Speaker 1: referred and they were young, and I am so absolutely

454
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Speaker 1: against anyone who is young, and I'm talking you know,

455
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Speaker 1: I was referred. I was saw a sixteen year old

456
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Speaker 1: or a seventeen year old. I saw a couple who

457
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Speaker 1: are around that eighteen to twenty year old mark. And

458
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, when you're that young, you should have tried

459
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Speaker 1: things for many, many years beforehand. I really don't think

460
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Speaker 1: that it's something that our teenagers should be doing at all.

461
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Speaker 1: I really do think that once your mobility is really impacted,

462
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Speaker 1: it can be helpful for some people. But there was

463
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Speaker 1: no real honest conversations around it. I think it was

464
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Speaker 1: something that the surgeon suggested and then the clients went, great,

465
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Speaker 1: this is a quick and easy fix. Amazing because the

466
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Speaker 1: amount of times I would see people and I'd say

467
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Speaker 1: to them, do you understand that you know, depending on

468
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Speaker 1: the type of barratric surgery you had, you may never

469
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Speaker 1: be able to eat steak again? Do you understand that

470
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Speaker 1: you may never be able to tolerate a piece of

471
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Speaker 1: bread again? Do you have that understanding? Do you understand

472
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Speaker 1: that you will have to take multivitamins for the rest

473
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Speaker 1: of your life and do blood tests for the rest

474
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Speaker 1: of your life depending on the type of barratic surgery

475
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Speaker 1: you have. So I think it's really important to be

476
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent informed. And as you said, we could

477
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Speaker 1: probably talk for days about barriotric surgery. But I have

478
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Speaker 1: had a wonderful dietitian who specializes in barratric surgery on

479
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Speaker 1: my podcast leand Ward Nutrition. So that's episode sixty six.

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Speaker 1: If you guys are considering it or you know I

481
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Speaker 1: have had it and wants more information. Episode sixty six

482
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Speaker 1: is on bariotric surgery on the Lean Ward Nutrition podcast.

483
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Speaker 1: But I think for me, it was the nutrient deficiencies

484
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Speaker 1: I was seeing post surgery, the fact that they couldn't

485
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Speaker 1: get in enough protein. So yes, they may have lost

486
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty kilos, but guess what happens, guys when you

487
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Speaker 1: lose twenty thirty forty kilos half of your body weight.

488
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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how much significant loose skin?

489
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Speaker 1: Like you almost need another surgery to get rid of

490
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Speaker 1: that excess skin. And I would see, just from the

491
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Speaker 1: psychological aspects of it, SUSI. They would come in and

492
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Speaker 1: they'd say, I've lost forty kilos and that's great, but

493
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Speaker 1: I'm more depressed than ever because of all this loose skin.

494
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Speaker 1: And they you know, they were wearing these you know,

495
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Speaker 1: they weren't wearing the strapless dresses on the strapless shirts,

496
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Speaker 1: so they thought they would be able to wear after

497
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Speaker 1: losing twenty thirty forty kilos. So I always, you know,

498
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Speaker 1: you and me a being of the opinion that the

499
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Speaker 1: slower the weight loss the better because you know, you

500
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Speaker 1: don't end up with that excessive amount of loose skin.

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Speaker 1: I think losing twenty thirty kilos over forty four or

502
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Speaker 1: five years is wonderful because you can kind of tone

503
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Speaker 1: and the muscle on the body can kind of get

504
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Speaker 1: used to that and adapt to that over time. But

505
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty forty kilos in three six months, you're going

506
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Speaker 1: to have a hell of a lot of excess skin.

507
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Speaker 1: So some of the body image issues that go with

508
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Speaker 1: that as well. You know, as you said, clients weren't happy.

509
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Speaker 1: They were they were more unhappy after losing thirty forty

510
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Speaker 1: kilos than they were plus thirty forty kilos. So I

511
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Speaker 1: think the long term follow up from a dietitian absolutely,

512
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Speaker 1: and from a psychologist absolutely, and even just you know,

513
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Speaker 1: if you look at the guidelines to bariatric surgery, you

514
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Speaker 1: should be under the care of both a dietitian and

515
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Speaker 1: a psychologist. And many of the clients that we were

516
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Speaker 1: seeing just weren't. And it was sad a lot of them.

517
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Speaker 1: You know, some of them were probably funded by the client,

518
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Speaker 1: but through surgeons as well, and they just didn't have

519
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Speaker 1: that dietitian or that psychology input which would have helped

520
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Speaker 1: them have that understanding and appreciation of how difficult this

521
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Speaker 1: journey can be for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a really good point, because I

523
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Speaker 2: would find that the people who had signed up to

524
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Speaker 2: it very very quickly because they'd had sort of an

525
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Speaker 2: information night and it all seemed fantastic, and they hadn't

526
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Speaker 2: really considered it over a long period of time. And

527
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Speaker 2: so you get some dietetic support generally, but that may

528
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Speaker 2: only be five sessions. So after three, six, twelve months,

529
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Speaker 2: unless you proactively continue to see a dietitian or as

530
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Speaker 2: you said, a lot don't use the psychologists. For me,

531
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Speaker 2: it's such a big life decision. I would want someone

532
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Speaker 2: to be considering it for several years intensely before they

533
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Speaker 2: made that decision. So pronounced is the results. And just

534
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Speaker 2: last week I had a client. She's only in her

535
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Speaker 2: twenties now. Admittedly she had battled significant weight issues right

536
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Speaker 2: through her teenage years, but after having it and being

537
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Speaker 2: down with severe PCOS right down to sixty kilos, having

538
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Speaker 2: lost sixty kilos, it's now creeping up again and we're

539
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Speaker 2: having to do exactly the same dietetic intervention that we

540
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Speaker 2: always have. So it's definitely not a quick fix. It's

541
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Speaker 2: something that really needs to be considered over a long

542
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Speaker 2: period of time. Absolutely, you'll be seeing a dietician regularly

543
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Speaker 2: for basically the rest of your life.

544
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Speaker 3: I'm like you. I saw a huge number of.

545
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Speaker 2: Micronutrient deficiencies and quite elevated bloods because of over supplementation,

546
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Speaker 2: and I just think, you know what, sometimes there are

547
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Speaker 2: still options out there, and as technology and medical advance,

548
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Speaker 2: pharmacological advances occur as well. So I'm sort of less

549
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Speaker 2: and less convinced the longer I work, particularly having worked

550
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Speaker 2: in it firsthand. It's quite alarming some of the things

551
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Speaker 2: that she go on. And some of the people who

552
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Speaker 2: you would argue are quite COUNTI indicated for this surgery,

553
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Speaker 2: but you know, mentioned by the GP, and off they

554
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Speaker 2: go and within a couple of months I've had half

555
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Speaker 2: their stomach removed. And I think it's a big, big decision,

556
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Speaker 2: and you really want to consider it as a life

557
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Speaker 2: changing one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And for me, because I used to work heavily

559
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Speaker 1: in surgical you know, an ico and that sort of

560
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Speaker 1: thing in the hospital, the amount of cancer patients that

561
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Speaker 1: I saw, that's something that was always at the back

562
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Speaker 1: of my mind, like when you've only got you know,

563
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Speaker 1: a third of your stomach or half your stomach all less,

564
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Speaker 1: what happens if something does you know, terrible, does happen

565
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Speaker 1: in the future. We have really high nutrient requirements, like

566
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Speaker 1: you do get cancer or something, how is your body

567
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Speaker 1: able to keep up with those really high nutrient requirements.

568
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Speaker 1: You'll be on liquid supplements basically for the rest of

569
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Speaker 1: your life. So you get to think long term as well,

570
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Speaker 1: like how am I going to cope with this? If

571
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Speaker 1: you know a lot older struggling to get in some

572
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Speaker 1: nutrients as well, and pregnancy as well, that's a whole

573
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Speaker 1: other battle if you know you've only got half a

574
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Speaker 1: stomach trying to get in the actual nutrients are required

575
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Speaker 1: to support a healthy pregnancy. But it's not that I'm

576
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Speaker 1: against it. I think it does work well for a

577
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Speaker 1: lot of people. But as you said, we need the

578
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Speaker 1: proper types of interventions because you know, some of the

579
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Speaker 1: nutrient deficiencies are just absolutely enormous, and you can absolutely

580
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Speaker 1: cheat the system as well, like we've seen everything. I

581
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Speaker 1: used to have patients blending up chicken nuggets, just drinking

582
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Speaker 1: McDonald's thick shakes, to get the calories in, which is

583
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Speaker 1: you know, you might think, oh, I'll never do that,

584
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Speaker 1: but you know you can get pretty death spread sometimes

585
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Speaker 1: people can. So you know, we've seen it all. We've

586
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Speaker 1: seen people just having ice cream for breakfast because you know,

587
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Speaker 1: they're on a free flow of diet for the first

588
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks post surgery, and they didn't like the

589
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Speaker 1: skim milk or they didn't like the protein powder that

590
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Speaker 1: was recommended, so they just thought that'd have some ice

591
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Speaker 1: cream or custard for a couple of weeks, and then

592
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Speaker 1: they're wondering why their weight's not coming down as it should.

593
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Speaker 1: So I think that there are a lot of ways

594
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Speaker 1: to I guess like cheat the system in that way,

595
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Speaker 1: but I think for a lot of people, it's really

596
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Speaker 1: that long term consideration, that input of psychology, I really

597
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Speaker 1: do find is the biggest thing for so many people.

598
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Speaker 1: Because you can't out exercise a bad diet, you can't

599
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Speaker 1: use surgical intervention for a bad diet. It will always, always,

600
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Speaker 1: always catch up with you long term. And as you said,

601
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Speaker 1: we've seen it all. We've seen people lose half their

602
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Speaker 1: body weight and years later they started to stack it

603
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Speaker 1: back on and again because they never got down to

604
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Speaker 1: the root causes of the emotional eating and the binge

605
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Speaker 1: eating and the using food for comfort, and those things

606
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Speaker 1: will always be there unless you get on top of

607
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Speaker 1: it first. So, you know, spend some time, spend even

608
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Speaker 1: years if you need to, going through the proper channels,

609
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Speaker 1: working with a psychologist, getting to the bottom of these issues,

610
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Speaker 1: working with the dietician to establish a great healthy baseline

611
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Speaker 1: first before you then go and get you know, some

612
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Speaker 1: sort of surgery or something like that, because it is

613
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Speaker 1: irreversible and you can't change your mind once you've got it,

614
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Speaker 1: and there are a lot of health implications that can

615
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Speaker 1: come with it as well. Sure, you might be twenty

616
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Speaker 1: thirty kilos down, but if you're then superma nourished and

617
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Speaker 1: your hair's falling out and you have a ton of

618
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: loose skin and you can't eat, you you know, you

619
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Speaker 1: can't go out for your favorite steak dinner because you

620
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Speaker 1: just can't tolerate that. Is that the way that you

621
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Speaker 1: want to live your life is probably just an important

622
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Speaker 1: question that I would pose to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Considering it one hundred percent, I couldn't agree more. I

624
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Speaker 2: think it's a massive decision don't take it light harder

625
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Speaker 2: And if you think it's an excuse to not exercise

626
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Speaker 2: and not so worry about your diet, you couldn't be

627
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Speaker 2: further from the truth. If anything, people who have had

628
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Speaker 2: barriergic surgery have to work hard as hard as they

629
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Speaker 2: ever have to keep it off long term, just as

630
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Speaker 2: the rest of us do. So it's definitely not a quick,

631
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Speaker 2: fixed solution.

632
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Speaker 1: And then moving on, Susie to our product of the week.

633
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Speaker 1: I saw these birds Eye ones I think when they

634
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Speaker 1: first came out a few weeks ago. It's really excited

635
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Speaker 1: at texting straight to you. A couple of different ones

636
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Speaker 1: in the range, and we picked one of the It's

637
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Speaker 1: not as good as some of the other ones. But

638
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Speaker 1: we're looking at the Bird's Eye couliflower rice today. And

639
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Speaker 1: you tried this on you said it was delicious. I'm

640
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: sure the boys loved it as well. We picked the

641
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Speaker 1: couliflower rice mixed mushroom and peer rosotto one. So do

642
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Speaker 1: you want to talk our listeners through it. I think

643
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Speaker 1: that just the standard plane Bird's Eye cauliflower rice is

644
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Speaker 1: actually really good and from memory has a five star

645
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: health rating. This one's got a four star health rating.

646
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Speaker 1: Which if you guys listened to our podcast a few

647
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, we did chat through the health Star ratings.

648
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Speaker 1: But there is quite a few ingredients in this one

649
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Speaker 1: which makes it maybe not as great as the plain

650
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: version of it. But as you said, it is quite tasty,

651
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: isn't it, so maybe the trade off is worth it. Well.

652
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: These veggie rices have been available from Bird's Eye for

653
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: a while now that I think there's a brocoli one,

654
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: there's a sweet potato one, there's a pure cauliflower one,

655
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: and whilst they're not inexpensive, they are very convenient because

656
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: of course, if you have to take a whole cauliflower

657
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: and blitz it in the food processor to be a

658
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: substitute or a low carb substitute for rice, it could

659
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: be quite messy and time consuming. So I am a

660
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: big fan of them. But what tickle my fancy was

661
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: when I saw a mushroom risotto. And also there's a

662
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: fried rice one that had recently been released, and I

663
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: got it at Coal's last week to try it. Because

664
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: I love rosotto. It's probably my favorite Italian dish, but

665
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: because it's so dense in carbohydrate, and to get a

666
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 2: good risotto is actually quite hard. There's an art to risotto,

667
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: you know you've.

668
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: Really got to have.

669
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: I would only really have it if I was going

670
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: to a really great Italian restaurant and knew that it.

671
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Was going to have one one cheese exactly exactly the cream,

672
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: or it's not a good resotto.

673
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So seeing this one. This is the veggi rice

674
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: collie rice mixed rosso and pea, and so I tried

675
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: it on the weekend with a friend of mine. Now,

676
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: to start with, I only have seen it at coal

677
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: so far, So if you're shopping at Woollies, I haven't

678
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: seen it there yet. And the ingredient enlist is actually

679
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: pretty cleanly and like it's forty percent coliflower, so it's

680
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: advertised to seventy percent less carb than regular rice based rosotto.

681
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: It's got eleven percent mushroom, onion, different types of MUSHes.

682
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: But it does have cream in it.

683
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: This one because when I looked at the nutritionals, it

684
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: actually looked.

685
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: Quite high in fat.

686
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Now it's a five hundred grand bag and they're saying

687
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: it's only two serves, which makes it quite a big serve.

688
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: And it comes in at six point eight grams of

689
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: protein over three hundred calories per serve, but it came

690
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: in at seventeen grams of fat and eight point three

691
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: of which was saturated, which is recently high for a

692
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: side dish or a veggie based dish, twelve point three

693
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: grams of carbohydrate, obviously significantly less than a rice based variety,

694
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: four point five grams of sugars per serve, nine point

695
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: eight grams of dietary fiber.

696
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: Which is actually huge. That's the veggie benefits.

697
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 2: But it was delicious, so my friend made it up.

698
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: Now we made it into four serves. I think two

699
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: is a large serve. I wouldn't actually probably have that

700
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: much in it, As I said to my friend, who

701
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: enjoys cooking as well, I would probably add extra veggies

702
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: to it. You could easily add spinach to that. It

703
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: would work really well. With extra piece. You could really

704
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: bulk it up. But the good news is if you

705
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: are a little bit more mindful of fat, even though

706
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: that's not that much overall, like a piece of meat

707
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: won't be that much less because of the cream in it.

708
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: It's sort of quite high and saturated fat. But there

709
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: is a another one of fried rice variety which is

710
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: nowhere nearest hind fat, because that's just basically utilizing some

711
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: of the Asian flavors through some extra veggies. And my

712
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: friend cooked it with an egg on top, so they

713
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: did it like a fried egg through it nas it

714
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: going and it was a really delicious dish. So I

715
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: think occasionally the mushroom rosoto one is still a really

716
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: good choice. It's delicious, it's much lower in carbohydrate. It

717
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: really had a good flavory, and for a processed food,

718
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: because of course people are saying, oh, why would you

719
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: encourage people to eat a processed food, Because I think

720
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: it's a great way to increase vegetable consumption.

721
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: It's incredibly convenient.

722
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: It's going to be a million times better than a

723
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: rosotta that you buy from a takeaway shop.

724
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: And it tastes great.

725
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: And as I said, the fried rice variety, all the

726
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: plain ones are brilliant. They're great additions, well done to birds,

727
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: so I'm a massive fan. I think they're a great

728
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: way for people to eat a whole lot more veggies.

729
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: Like almost ten grams of dietary fiber perserve like that's outstanding,

730
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: So they're well worth a look and I really really

731
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: liked it. I'm going to be adding it, but as

732
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: I said, I would make it last four serves just

733
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: because of that sort of fat content is relatively high.

734
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: What I would do is I would buy the bag

735
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: of the playing Caulifly rice and mix that through it

736
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: to bulk it out a little bit and bring down

737
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: that calorie load. And then I'd add some quality protein

738
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: to that as well. So what we know is really

739
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: important for metabolism and lean muscle maintenance long term, and

740
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: even just fullness and satisfaction from a meal, So I'd

741
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: add some grilled tofu or a bit of fish or

742
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: some chicken or something like that to the dish to

743
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: really sort of complete that meal. And as you said,

744
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: it's a quick and easy dish, isn't it's really high

745
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: diet through fibers, super highd veggies. It tastes good, and

746
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: we can sort of balance that out just by adding

747
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: a couple of extra things to it. So I buy

748
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: a bag of there's a bag of the plain Colie

749
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: rice and a bit of quality protein, and as you said,

750
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: maybe just add a couple of extra veggies to bulk

751
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: it out, and I think You've got yourself a really,

752
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: really wonderful and tasty Friday night kind of quick and

753
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: easy meal.

754
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: It was so quick to make, and I had the

755
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: parmesan out ready to add it because I said to

756
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: my friend, I will add you know what, we didn't

757
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: need to It was really creamy without it, so we

758
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: didn't have to add extra fat for any flavor. But

759
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: it was literally ready in five minutes, so the convenience

760
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: factor was second to none, and it was five point fifty.

761
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: It's got a cheese mix in there as well. Yes,

762
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: it's got cream and a cheese mix in it, which

763
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: I think helps.

764
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: Which is why it's got a bit of fat to

765
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: it doesn't have a calcium on there, so I'm not

766
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: sure how much we're getting from that, but you're right.

767
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: If you even added the four dollar veggie rice, it's

768
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: still a ten dollars or less meal, and then if

769
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: you added a little bit.

770
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: Of extra protein.

771
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: So very cost effective and very very tasty, and if

772
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: you're a bit more mindful of fat, seek out the

773
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: fried rice variety.

774
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: But big thumbs up from me, I'm a big fan. Yeah.

775
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: I definitely like it as well, because I just do

776
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: not have time to blead my own cauliflower rice these days.

777
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: And as you said, it cours everywhere, so I'd much

778
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: rather just buy it back from the frozen section.

779
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more r. I almost broke my blend

780
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: to trying to make my own cauliflower rice. It was

781
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: like flying everywhere.

782
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: It was hard. I was like, this is way too different,

783
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: all right.

784
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: So for our final segment of the show, this is

785
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: a listener question. We have had a lot as well there,

786
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: so there's some common themes come up, and we thought

787
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: it was a really good one to talk about because

788
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: it was about protein balls. And in our pre show discussion,

789
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: you said to me, I think their energy balls, and

790
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: I think that sums it up really really well. So

791
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: we're talking about sort of the products that you find

792
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: often in the health food section. You buy them individually,

793
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: sometimes at service stations, and they are sold just protein

794
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: or energy balls, and so the question is are they

795
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: actually healthy? And I'll start by saying that I don't

796
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: generally buy protein balls, even though I've got some recipes

797
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: on my Instagram and I know people love them, because

798
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: I just find they're so high in calories for such

799
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: a small volume of food that they're not how I

800
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: choose to use my calories. So they come in generally

801
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: between at least two hundred calories, if not up to

802
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: three hundred because generally speakingly and they're made using dates

803
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: and some sort of sugar to bind them, and some

804
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: fats and nuts, and the combination, whilst is very healthy,

805
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: is very very calorie dense. So I know they're popular,

806
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: but I sort of only tend to use them with

807
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: really really active people, sometimes teenagers in their lunch box

808
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: or my athletes, because it really is close to a

809
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: meal in a relatively small serve of food.

810
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I've seen them up to four hundred plus calories as well,

811
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: so I don't really turn them protein balls. I turn

812
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: them energy balls or energy bombs, some of the you know,

813
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: the worst ones.

814
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: She said.

815
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't generally recommend them for my clients. I'm much

816
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: more of a fan of if you want something, you know,

817
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: a healthy bake treat or something like that, I'm much

818
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: more of a fan of either thing that you want

819
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: the most. I'd rather you had a little bit of

820
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: proper brownie than trying to bake these energy balls. And

821
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: the question from the listener was how healthy are they

822
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: and can we eat them every day? So I, despite

823
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: being healthy ingredients in the majority of them, like dates

824
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: and nuts and seeds and peanut butter. As you mentioned,

825
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: occasionally they mix a little bit of protein powder through

826
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: them as well. I wouldn't call them a daily edition

827
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: if your goal is fat loss, if you're super active,

828
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: you're wanting to gain weight or muscle, or even just

829
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: maintain your weight, and you're very, very active, and yeah,

830
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: they could be a great addition for you to have

831
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: every single day. But I think for the large majority

832
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: of our listeners, from what you guys are telling us,

833
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: the goal is fat loss, and so I really don't

834
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: think that these are appropriate. As you mentioned, Suzi, they're

835
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: just kind of energy bombs. I mean they're done in

836
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: two or three buds and there's like three four hundred

837
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: calories and you're like, okay, well what now, I'm still hungry.

838
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: So for me, they don't they're not feeling.

839
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: There's not much protein in them. Often you knowl as

840
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: low as six scraps three grams, sometimes low off, like

841
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: if I was looking at a protein supplement, you know,

842
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm looking at like ten, fifteen, twenty grams. And sometimes

843
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: you look at them and you're right, they're actually not

844
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: overly high in protein. So again it's quite misleading because

845
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: to make quite a high protein ball, you have to

846
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: add a lot because you can't just add nuts because

847
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: you're adding heaps of fat, so that bumps the calories up.

848
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: So you have to add a lot of protein powder.

849
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: Now, protein powder is a pure concentrate doesn't taste great,

850
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: so then to get a tasting great, you've got to

851
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: add all the sugars. So it's kind of fighting this

852
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: battle of when you're trying to get the protein up

853
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: around at least ten fifteen grams, it's a lot of

854
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: protein powder, which also makes them really expensive. So you know,

855
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: maybe you know a long time ago now on the

856
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: Nutrition Couch podcast, we spoke about peanut butter paste and

857
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: perhaps if you're making your own, you could use that.

858
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: And you will see on the recipes I have on

859
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: my Instagram page. I've got quite a few protein balls there.

860
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: They're not overly high in protein. Again, I think they're

861
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: ranging from five to six grams. But I really am

862
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: quite specific with how many dates and things I use

863
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: to try and keep the calories down, and I tend

864
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: to use essences for sweetness other than the sugar. But yeah,

865
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: it's really really challenging. They're absolutely energy balls. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: great for teenagers or active people and not so great

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Speaker 2: for the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I sort of still consider them quote unquote

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Speaker 1: a treat, even though it's not like we're bulking them

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Speaker 1: out with chocolate or candy, or it's not ice cream

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Speaker 1: or anything. I sort of think that, you know, those

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Speaker 1: things are better off eaten in their whole forms, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, a small handful of nuts, or one or

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Speaker 1: two whole module dates, or like a teaspin of peanut

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Speaker 1: butter on some celery is a much better alternative because

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Speaker 1: you're getting the volume from the food versus when you're

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Speaker 1: blending it all down. It's like juice, Like you could

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Speaker 1: easily have a cup of orange juice, which is about

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: four or five oranges blended, but you couldn't sit down

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Speaker 1: and eat four or five oranges. Your body would be like, nah,

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Speaker 1: I'm done, tap out after like two orang juicese because

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Speaker 1: that volume is there from the food. Same with energy bulls.

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Speaker 1: You could probably eat ten to feel full, versus you

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Speaker 1: couldn't eat like three or four cups of nuts, three

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Speaker 1: or four dates, a couple of tablespoons of peanut butter,

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Speaker 1: and a couple of scoops of protein powder which went

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Speaker 1: into the ten protein balls that you would eat just

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Speaker 1: to feel full. So I'm much more of a fan

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Speaker 1: of volume dense eating, which I know you are too, Susie.

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Speaker 1: So I generally don't recommend these my clients at all,

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Speaker 1: as you said, unless they're actively trying to gain weight,

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Speaker 1: they are malnourished, or their energy or activity requirements are

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Speaker 1: super super high. I am much more a fan of

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Speaker 1: eating the food separately for the volume.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're expensive as well, like they retail it. You know,

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Speaker 2: two dollars on sale, but up to four or five

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00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: dollars per serve, Like that's really reasonably expensive food. And

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Speaker 2: so if someone as I said, if someone likes them, maybe,

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Speaker 2: and we're seeing more and more of them even in

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Speaker 2: the main music bus section, But very rarely do they

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: have much protein in them, I find, and the ones

902
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: that do are quite high in calories because they're made

903
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Speaker 2: with the nutspread and things like that. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit of enjoy them as an occasional

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Speaker 2: trade or if you're really on the run and need

906
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: something quick and easy at the service station, but it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't definitely be on my regular supermarket list or as

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00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: products I'm recommending to clients a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I saw this great infographic the other day on

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Speaker 1: it must have been a few weeks or months ago now,

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Speaker 1: on a dietitian's account, and she said, this is my

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Speaker 1: version of Nature's protein ball. And she had a protein

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Speaker 1: ball would about three four hundred calories with maybe four

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Speaker 1: grams of protein in it, and on the right side

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Speaker 1: of the screen she compared it to an egg and

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Speaker 1: she's like, this is Nature's protein more, you know, seventy calories,

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Speaker 1: six grams of protein, Like just wonderful. And I thought

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better myself, Like that's you know,

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Speaker 1: I would much rather have a baled egg and some

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Speaker 1: veggie sticks with hummus or a tub of yogurt with

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Speaker 1: a piece of fruit as a really great quality snack.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be lower calorie, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: higher protein than some of these energy bombs that you know,

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Speaker 1: they're marketed it is super healthy and super high protein,

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Speaker 1: when in reality they're really not. And also, I think

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Speaker 1: we've just gone a little bit protein crazy as well,

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Speaker 1: haven't we. We just most of us, if we're getting

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Speaker 1: quality protein in our main meals, we just don't need

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Speaker 1: that much in our snacks either. We should really be

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Speaker 1: focusing on volume and trying to get in adequate serves

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Speaker 1: of vegetables and fruits and that sort of thing, and

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Speaker 1: you know, a small handful of nuts every day, like

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Speaker 1: try to get in those recommendations rather than try to

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Speaker 1: make everything super fancy and delicious tasting like.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I know that would have been Paula Norris,

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Speaker 2: the Moving Dieticians. She does some great infographics if you

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Speaker 2: don't follow her, but I did see that too, and

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Speaker 2: it's very smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right. Sometimes simple is the best way to

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Speaker 3: go wonerful.

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Speaker 1: So Susie again, that brings us to the end of

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Speaker 1: another episode for the Nutrition Couch for another week. So

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Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook sites up live. We are at the

947
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: Nutrition Couch podcast. We have a running a very large

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Speaker 1: proteet at the moment, Susie with our listener questions, the

949
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Speaker 1: product reviews you guys have sent us so many, so

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Speaker 1: please don't be offenditive. We haven't got to yours. There

951
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: is a very very long list and we are slowly

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00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: working our way through it, but feel free to send

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00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: us questions and that sort of thing. But a quick reminder,

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Speaker 1: we can't give any clinical advice over Instagram. If you

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00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: send us your weight and ask us to work out

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Speaker 1: your calories, very sorry, we can't do that. That's definitely

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Speaker 1: where you need the help of a dietitian one on one,

958
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: but more than happy to take your recommendations for topics

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00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: that will discuss listener questions, product reviews and that sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. So again, thank you for tuning in. We

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Speaker 1: will catch you guys, same time, same place next Sunday morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. See you next week.