WEBVTT - THE REAL JACKIE GILLIES IS BACK! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.640 TV Reloaded podcast last week. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:08.000 Am I how would I describe a television set oh Man. 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.160 Act from a headline grabbing point of view? The hack 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.720 producer from me says one hundred percent put him in. 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.400 Welcome back guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.079 and on this podcast I go behind the scenes with 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.720 the biggest players in television. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.799 Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.400 lot of great television out there in Australia. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.000 But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.280 The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.560 had nothing to do with the news and casting agents they. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.000 Know from a casting point of view what they need. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.320 And editors because that's what we do as editors where 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.919 storytellers them. Not to forget some incredible executive producers who 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.959 are making some of the best TV content in Australia. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.400 I have been on the program since the beginning and 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.680 it's kind of in my DNA. So thanks for joining 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.400 me each week and I hope the podcast continues to 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:01.200 give you real insight into the magic of tee. Today 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.880 on the podcast, I have Jackie Gillies from the Real 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.600 Housewives of Melbourne. Jackie's been on the show since day one. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.600 She has weathered the storms, shined it up and shared 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.320 her life story with the world. The show is back 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.920 Sunday night on Fox Tail at eight thirty and then 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.199 on Binge a couple of days later, so if you've 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.200 missed the first episode of series five, then you need 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.920 to go back and catch up on that as soon 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.639 as possible. Jackie Gillies has been very open this season 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.000 with her IVF struggles. She's really stepped it up to 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.279 prove that she's the heart and soul behind the new series. Today, 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.080 we unpack the drama that is before us, her thoughts 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.160 on Gina and Lydia's exit from the show, which of 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.200 the new Real Housewives she gets along with, and we 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.240 talk about her loyal friendship with Janet. One of the 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.800 biggest pot stirs of all time, This series promises to 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.120 be one of the most unforgettable yet, with shocking twists 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.720 and turns install for all the ladies, but with a sober, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.560 pregnant Jackie, don't expect her to be quiet. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.040 Is louder and brighter than ever. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.080 However, let's get started with this week's Midweek episode, I'd 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.880 like to welcome Jackie Gillies to TV Reload. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.799 I think some of the arguments that happened this year 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.839 really is about difference of opinions. I've seen it. I've 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.119 never said that to someone. I've seen it written. It's 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.560 not just only behavior, it's just don'ting who you are 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.239 on every level. This situation has happened because somebody was 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.920 unhappy about what you said to them. If there is 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.359 a season six, I'm pretty sure that I'd be more 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.040 than willing to come back. Shohne shine Shine to me 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.919 means blessings to all and not to take on anyone's negativity. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.680 So that's where I feel like the problems probably started 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.760 a rising with her and Angelie. This woman is naughtier 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.040 than squirrel poop. When I started this show, the one 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.280 thing I always said was that I was going to 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.160 be absolutely authentic to who I am and really show 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:55.360 my life. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.160 Hey, Jackie, how are we so well? 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.560 Benjamin? Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.440 to be here and have a conversation with you, my love. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.200 You know, congratulations on the first episode, and I can't 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.680 believe it's taken us this long to get to series five. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.200 It's been about two years in the making, but because 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.799 of COVID, right they had to shut down production. All 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.680 productions were shut down when it came to Tellson except 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.560 for some but primarily for the real housewise because of 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.959 when we actually film we're so close together. So COVID 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.160 shut down the production for a year and a half 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.880 and on going two years later, here we are. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.639 Quick question to start with is how do you come 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.840 up with these taglines? Because've got a pretty good tagline 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.760 this year? Did you work that out or does someone 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:38.400 help you with it? 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.200 No, we come up with them. But what happens is 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.320 sometimes people do get a bit of a help, like 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.960 O looks to me, I'm mumbling. Does somebody mumble around you? 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.960 Now getting psychic by this, Benjamin? If somebody gets nervous, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.040 who mumbles around you? 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:51.360 Yeah? 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.320 There could be lots of energies, Jackie. If I'm really 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:55.120 honest with you, I. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.760 Feel it's connected to your dad that we'll get there later. AnyWho, Benjamin. So, yes, 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.960 we do get help with our taglines, well some of 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.119 the women do anyway, But you know, I like mine 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:10.360 to be organic and something that actually reflects me. Watch 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:17.680 out world, because I'm shining brighter than ever. I have 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.640 to tell you I reckon that Roachie is the winner today. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.479 Like with her taglines, I don't like trouble unless I'm 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:25.240 causing it. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.880 One of the good questions for you is what has 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.560 changed for you with the Real Housewives since series one? 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:32.760 Like how has it evolved for you? 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:38.320 Obviously, my journeys have evolved. I think since doing season one, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.840 people have really seen me grow into my own and 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.400 what I mean by that is wanting to become a mother, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.039 seeing that journey of that tug and pull of whether 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.880 or not I'm ready to be a mother, and really 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.440 showcasing my emotions during season one, two, three, and even 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.600 four of where I was heading with motherhoods. So I 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.240 feel the audience have come into it, Come on a 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.839 journey with me with this. You don't realize how hard 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.520 it is when you're trying IVF and you think am 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.400 I going to get there? You know this is seven 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:12.000 rounds in. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.440 The silver lining is that you can get pregnant. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.960 When I started this show, the one thing I always 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.800 said was that I was going to be absolutely authentic 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.720 to who I am and really show my life as 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.680 it is. And the one thing that the producers have 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.599 said over the years is, Jackie, you really feel like 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.880 the heart and soul of the show because you really 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.640 do open up about your struggles about whether it's you know, motherhood, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.200 or whether it's about your journey with being the psychic, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.680 you know, people not believing in all those things. So 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.920 I feel that this is something that the audience needed 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.680 to see. And now they're seeing my IVF struggles of 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:56.320 becoming a mother, So I feel like I'm really opening 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.800 myself up in a positive way that hopefully by starting 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.240 the conversation of IBF, it inspires women to talk about it. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.640 Well, you had me in tears episode one, and I 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.120 just thought it's so hard as well with reality television, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.080 because you know, it is about trust and being in 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.479 front of the cameras and being in front of the 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.080 producers and the other women that you're working with and 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.360 sharing your story authentically. Yeah, I think all of that 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.039 can be really hard to do. But I mean, already 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:25.520 on episode one, you have us there. 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.160 When I said yes to coming back for season five. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.560 The first time, I said no because I wasn't in 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.680 the right headspace. I had to be I had to 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.160 be in a positive frame of mind whilst doing IBF, 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.560 and I only thought I was going to do a 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:42.039 couple of rounds right. Never in my mind did I 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.119 ever think that this was going to take round after 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.479 round after round after round, going through the loss of 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:54.200 a child and then experiencing that. And really, I feel 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.720 like it was really important to share that people know 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.760 me as a psychic medium, and I've been doing readings 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.960 for seventeen years, and there's a lot of women out 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.560 there that don't talk about IVF or miscarriages because they're 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.960 ashamed or they're embarrassed. And I've seen that red handed 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.040 in doing psychic meeting and meetings for all these years. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.920 And I've also seen that a lot of women don't 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.480 even tell their parents or their siblings that they're going 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.040 through IVF because they don't want to be judged. So 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.240 I felt that it was very important for me to 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.960 share this journey, to open, like I said, open up 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.240 that conversation. And really, I know a lot of women 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.640 out there struggle with fertility, and I felt like I 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.680 had to be the voice and talk about it with 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.680 something deep inside my soul was like I have to 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.120 come back and talk about this. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.160 Was that the biggest selling point for you. Did you 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.200 feel like that was just a part of your mission 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.960 statement to tell that story for viewers around the world. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.640 One hundred percent. You know, I dreamt before I was 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.320 asked to come back for season five. So the season 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.640 four was asked to come back for any other Housewife 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.720 was and I had to give them an answer within 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.840 a week. And I was in Erica at the time, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.360 and I just started my second round of ive VF 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:04.720 and I said to Lisa, I said, I'm not in 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.960 the right headspace. I'm not coming back. I won't be 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.680 an asset to the team. And I have to be 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.800 honest with who I am. And if I'm not an asset, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.600 if I can't give them a hundred percent, then I'm 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.080 not going to do it. So when it came back 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.280 around and COVID and you know, a year and a 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.640 half later, I had already been through quite a few rounds, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.120 so I knew what I was undertaking, and I knew 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.440 how to balance those emotions and mormones. So I was 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.320 used to what goes on. But I had a dream, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.000 true story. I had a dream. And the next day 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.280 I told Bem what my dream was and my dream 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.720 was that I was filming The Real Housewives. I've got 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.760 a phone call that afternoon by Lisa Potash and I said, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.920 you're ringing me because you want me to come back 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.800 on the show, And she said yeah, and I said, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.440 I'm in. And I knew it was because I had 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.280 to showcase this. I really, I do believe that everything 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.800 happens for a reason, and part of that was this journey. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.560 You know, how did being pregnant affect filming? Did that 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.280 mean that you ended up becoming the sober one making 0:08:58.360 --> 0:08:59.840 sense while all the craziness went. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.200 You know what, it was really quite interesting to be 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.440 to be filming whilst not even having a drink. But 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.200 what people don't know is whilst I was filming The 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.840 Real Housewives and motherl season five and being pregnant, at 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.680 the same time, I was struggling with crippling, crippling sietkid 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.800 to the point that I had to wear flat shoes, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.440 couldn't wear heels. My doctor said, you cannot wear heels. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.080 It was like in tears, crying like that. I could 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.080 hardly move so and all the production knew what I 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.800 was dealing with, and I'd still turn up and just 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.400 put a smile on. You've got to do what you 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.960 have to do. But it wasn't easy for me. It 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.720 was a struggle emotionally with this sidey campaign that I've 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.360 never ever experienced in my life. It was debilitating sometimes 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.760 and so crippling. But in saying that, coming back to 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.760 the alcohol thing, it was actually interesting to see how 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.480 from the bird's eye view of some of this completely 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.400 and utterly sober and not having one dream. Oh, my 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.200 reactions are probably now that's not true because I I 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.040 still reacted. I still get passionate about things, So I 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.120 don't need to drink to be even louder, because that's 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.960 who I am. But it's just really interesting to see 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.760 how some of the other housewives drink too much and 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:11.720 how they act. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.880 Wasn't it beautiful though that Janet was like, I'm not 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.520 going to drink at this lunch that she was throwing. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.520 You know, that was a really nice idea, And I 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.679 thought to myself as I saw it, You're gonna have 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.240 to try and keep up with this, and I don't 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.359 think you're gonna. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.680 You know that we've had the conversation about that you're 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:29.400 doing over here. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.200 So JACKX, this is. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.160 The non alcoholic one. I don't want to make it 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.840 obvious that you're not drinking. Oh my god, not drinking 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.320 is I hate to say, it's so boring. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.160 Thank you, So. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.720 I'm coming out with you as I'm not drinking either. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.160 I said to her, girl, I appreciate you being the 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.600 best of you are. The girl by this is not 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.440 gonna laugh because it wouldn't last for me. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.000 But I love you. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.800 Worry somebody, I love you. I'll give it one crack, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.120 but no, I like and I like to have a 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.600 wine or two, you know, tequila. I mean, you're out 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.800 with the girls and you're shining it up and you're 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.200 at a dinner party and listen. If I have to 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.959 sometimes sit there and listen to some bullshit, I prefer 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.319 to do it with a nice glass of read. Wouldn't you? 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:18.880 Boys? 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.960 Were you sad to see Lydia and Gina not come 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:24.800 back to the show. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.600 I think Gina and Lydia absolutely bring something to the show, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.400 right because we're all cast for different reasons, and part 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.000 of that reasons are we bring something that's different and. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.520 There's dynamic and that the audience like, you can't have 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.400 everybody that's the same because if you do. There is 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.160 no show in saying that the dynamic is completely natally 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.240 changed when Lydia and Gina left the show. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.320 And yes, there are times that I go, oh, my god, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.560 Like I spoke to Jena the other day actually, and 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.240 I said, girl, I think you should come back, because 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.480 I actually miss Jena's energy. And listen, a lot of 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.480 people don't know that Gena and I have very similar 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.280 It's just that sometimes I don't agree with some of 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.680 the stuff that she says, and sometimes she doesn't agree 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.160 with some of the stuff that I say. But we're 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.040 both very European, and this is probably why we butt heads. Like, girl, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:10.880 I don't believe what you're saying, she shaut, I don'tbelieve 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.440 what you're saying. Well, well, then that's that. But the 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.000 thing about Lydia and Gina is that you could have 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.120 an argument or you have something and then a minute 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.600 lady kind of talking again. That's because they know the 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.760 program right, and I feel like some of the new 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.760 housewives that have come in they've probably struggled with that, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.559 and there's nothing wrong with that because they're newbies right 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.520 coming into something they're unaware of. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.640 Well, I guess does that make it a little bit 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.160 more stressful with these newbies coming in. I mean, they 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.920 don't understand probably the familiarity that you girls have had 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.959 over for established seasons of the show. Did the other 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.520 women feel stressed out by it? And did you try 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:49.520 and help them with that? Like? 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:50.480 What was that process? 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.000 Like I ever said to Janets and to Gamble right 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.280 in the beginning, I'm a person that will get to 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.959 know you independently off face value. I don't care if 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:03.080 you've had an argument this that person over here. If 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.440 somebody had an argument with Janet or Gamble's that's an 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.320 issue between you two. Rite. I'm getting to know you 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.560 because I want to get to know you. But what 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.800 I found, you know, there was times I gave them 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.640 great advice. I said, listen, I said, there's going to 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.600 be times that you're probably not going to like what 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.839 you see, but you've got to be authentic to who 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.160 you are. Don't try and be to yourself. Don't put 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.400 on bravado because the camera never lies, and if you 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.640 do that, you may come across that you don't like, right. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.200 And so sometimes I felt like there was a bit 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.760 of not wanting to share an opinion in case it 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.640 made them look a certain way where you've got Roachie 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.360 myself and gamble to just give it all. Right, this 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.880 is how I feel. I don't care what people think 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.840 of me because I know who I am and that's 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.040 what I'm believing. So I felt like that was tricky 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.240 at times. And the other thing that was really tricky 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.920 sometimes too, is I like all the women. Simone's beautiful, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.240 Angeliae's great, so is Kyler and and Cherry. They've got 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.559 their own kind of flare that they bring something really 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.560 quite amazing to the show. But when you get them together, Cherry, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.320 Angelie and Kyler, the problem was because of the new 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.199 girls that became really good friends. I felt like there 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:16.920 were times that it was hard to get to know 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.440 them independently because they were always so close. And sometimes 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.680 that's a detriment to a show when you're like, well, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.920 how's this going to work? Like if you're not going 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.200 to engage. And it's not saying that they're not really engaging, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.120 it's kind of I felt like they were retecting each 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.360 other in the event they didn't. I don't know, maybe 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.760 against the oldies a little bit, and that might come across, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.080 do you know what I mean? But I feel like 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.400 that came from a sense of maybe being anxious about 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:51.240 what this whole filming is like because they've never done 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.400 it before. And I can understand that as well. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.680 I think what is also a bit stranger for these 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.240 girls is the franchise of the Real Housewives has exploded, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.840 so yeah, I think for them there's a lot of 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.400 pressure to be what they think you need to be 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.880 to be a housewife instead of just going yes, I've 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.960 been cast for a reason, that's okay. I don't need 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.240 a million dollars, I don't need all of these things. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.280 I'm just going to be okay. I'm going to trust 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.120 the process where I think, yes, it's not just this 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.240 season of Melbourne. I think it's everywhere globally. Orange County 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.880 have had that, you know where They've got women renting 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.760 houses and renting clothing and it's like, mate, calm it down. 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.240 Just be you. I'm one hundred percent with you. Listen. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.520 I don't care, and people know this about me. I 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.240 don't care where you come from. I don't care what 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.040 your social status is like. Just be you. I mean, listen, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.120 I'm from Newcastle. My dad came to this country with 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.960 not a dollar in his wallet. So for me and 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.920 I went to a state school, I didn't have the 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.000 privilege of going to a private school, and I certainly 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.640 didn't have the privilege of growing up with lots and 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.240 lots of money. No, like, you know, if I want 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.400 a new shoes, I have to wait. I wasn't privileged 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.320 in that situation, as privileged with love and privileged with 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.360 parents that always tell me to do the right things 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.160 by people, and be honest to who you are and 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.560 treat everybody with the way with respect or the way 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.400 that you want to be treated. So I think coming 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.560 into this show, you're right. I feel like there was 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.240 maybe a couple of times where some people thought, this 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.240 is I've got to act a certain way or I've 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.600 going to be a certain way. But what I'm like 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.160 about you is the person that you are authentically, that's 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.080 me personally, And how is that going to translate with 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.600 the viewers? Because if you was very smart. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:35.920 But you know also that you know. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.840 Real Housewives of Melbourne was a really interesting first season 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.600 and then I think what we learned out of that 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.080 was you can be a good person or you could 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.200 be a bad person, but as long as you own it, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.400 that's what resonates with the audience. In some ways, Gina's 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.520 behavior in the first series could be dissected as being 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.640 not okay, but then she was a fan favorite because 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:56.640 she just owned it. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.040 No, but I agree with you. I think it's not 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.880 just only behavior, it's just don'ting who you are on 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.160 every level. I mean, the good thing about the New 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.760 Housewives is they bring a fresh energy, a new energy, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.560 and something that's really really beautiful. And what I mean 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.080 by that is you actually get to see us getting 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.480 to know these housewives in real time, so it kind 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.000 of freshens it up, and it freshens up new energy 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.680 and new dynamics. How we're all going to connect. And 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.000 let me tell you, like hah, there are some days 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.000 that I go, oh my god, did that just really happen? 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.760 But I can't confirm or deny that my bestie Genet 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.920 Roach may be in the thick. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.760 Of it always. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.200 I think some of the arguments that happen this year 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.320 really is about difference of opinion and perspective. Right, you 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.600 have your view on something and I have my view 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.480 on something, and maybe my view doesn't meet up with 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.720 your view, So what does that mean? Does that mean 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:47.800 that I'm not telling the truth. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.360 No, doesn't I say that to people all the time. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.239 I'm like, two people go into a room and they 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.360 witness something, and they leave and they both have completely 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.680 retellings of what they saw and who's got the truth. 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.560 So don't get bog down in the detail of trying 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.240 to work out who's right and wrong. Respect each other 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.280 and respect that there's a difference of an opinion. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:07.520 Yeah, I agree with that. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.119 Those people that go on a witch hunt try to 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.399 prove to you that their opinion is right. That is 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.399 a mousehole with no cheese down it, you know what 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:13.720 I mean. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.199 Now, I agree with you, and I think that at 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.000 the end of the day, it doesn't matter even if 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.960 you're trying to prove something that person that you may 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.359 not have got along with, just in life in general, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.400 that'll always show their true colors. It will always come 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.400 out in the end. It always does, Benjamin always. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.479 I agree with him. I think we're in agreement on 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.680 that one. Can we go back to when the show 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.280 was first cast. There were so many rumors out there 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.840 and I couldn't find the actual answer to this today. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.040 But when the producers were setting out to cast this show, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:43.760 they weren't sure if it was going to be in 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.719 Sydney or whether it was going to be in Melbourne. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.960 Were you on the cards whether it was going to 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.520 be in Sydney or Melbourne. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.679