Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reloaded podcast last week.
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Speaker 1: Act from a headline grabbing point of view? The hack
Speaker 1: producer from me says one hundred percent put him in.
Speaker 3: Welcome back guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris
Speaker 3: and on this podcast I go behind the scenes with
Speaker 3: the biggest players in television.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a
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Speaker 1: Know from a casting point of view what they need.
Speaker 3: And editors because that's what we do as editors where
Speaker 3: storytellers them. Not to forget some incredible executive producers who
Speaker 3: are making some of the best TV content in Australia.
Speaker 3: I have been on the program since the beginning and
Speaker 3: it's kind of in my DNA. So thanks for joining
Speaker 3: me each week and I hope the podcast continues to
Speaker 3: give you real insight into the magic of tee. Today
Speaker 3: on the podcast, I have Jackie Gillies from the Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of Melbourne. Jackie's been on the show since day one.
Speaker 3: She has weathered the storms, shined it up and shared
Speaker 3: her life story with the world. The show is back
Speaker 3: Sunday night on Fox Tail at eight thirty and then
Speaker 3: on Binge a couple of days later, so if you've
Speaker 3: missed the first episode of series five, then you need
Speaker 3: to go back and catch up on that as soon
Speaker 3: as possible. Jackie Gillies has been very open this season
Speaker 3: with her IVF struggles. She's really stepped it up to
Speaker 3: prove that she's the heart and soul behind the new series. Today,
Speaker 3: we unpack the drama that is before us, her thoughts
Speaker 3: on Gina and Lydia's exit from the show, which of
Speaker 3: the new Real Housewives she gets along with, and we
Speaker 3: talk about her loyal friendship with Janet. One of the
Speaker 3: biggest pot stirs of all time, This series promises to
Speaker 3: be one of the most unforgettable yet, with shocking twists
Speaker 3: and turns install for all the ladies, but with a sober,
Speaker 3: pregnant Jackie, don't expect her to be quiet.
Speaker 4: Is louder and brighter than ever.
Speaker 3: However, let's get started with this week's Midweek episode, I'd
Speaker 3: like to welcome Jackie Gillies to TV Reload.
Speaker 1: I think some of the arguments that happened this year
Speaker 1: really is about difference of opinions. I've seen it. I've
Speaker 1: never said that to someone. I've seen it written. It's
Speaker 1: not just only behavior, it's just don'ting who you are
Speaker 1: on every level. This situation has happened because somebody was
Speaker 1: unhappy about what you said to them. If there is
Speaker 1: a season six, I'm pretty sure that I'd be more
Speaker 1: than willing to come back. Shohne shine Shine to me
Speaker 1: means blessings to all and not to take on anyone's negativity.
Speaker 1: So that's where I feel like the problems probably started
Speaker 1: a rising with her and Angelie. This woman is naughtier
Speaker 1: than squirrel poop. When I started this show, the one
Speaker 1: thing I always said was that I was going to
Speaker 1: be absolutely authentic to who I am and really show
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 4: Hey, Jackie, how are we so well?
Speaker 1: Benjamin? Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to be here and have a conversation with you, my love.
Speaker 3: You know, congratulations on the first episode, and I can't
Speaker 3: believe it's taken us this long to get to series five.
Speaker 1: It's been about two years in the making, but because
Speaker 1: of COVID, right they had to shut down production. All
Speaker 1: productions were shut down when it came to Tellson except
Speaker 1: for some but primarily for the real housewise because of
Speaker 1: when we actually film we're so close together. So COVID
Speaker 1: shut down the production for a year and a half
Speaker 1: and on going two years later, here we are.
Speaker 3: Quick question to start with is how do you come
Speaker 3: up with these taglines? Because've got a pretty good tagline
Speaker 3: this year? Did you work that out or does someone
Speaker 3: help you with it?
Speaker 1: No, we come up with them. But what happens is
Speaker 1: sometimes people do get a bit of a help, like
Speaker 1: O looks to me, I'm mumbling. Does somebody mumble around you?
Speaker 1: Now getting psychic by this, Benjamin? If somebody gets nervous,
Speaker 1: who mumbles around you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: There could be lots of energies, Jackie. If I'm really
Speaker 3: honest with you, I.
Speaker 1: Feel it's connected to your dad that we'll get there later. AnyWho, Benjamin. So, yes,
Speaker 1: we do get help with our taglines, well some of
Speaker 1: the women do anyway, But you know, I like mine
Speaker 1: to be organic and something that actually reflects me. Watch
Speaker 1: out world, because I'm shining brighter than ever. I have
Speaker 1: to tell you I reckon that Roachie is the winner today.
Speaker 1: Like with her taglines, I don't like trouble unless I'm
Speaker 1: causing it.
Speaker 3: One of the good questions for you is what has
Speaker 3: changed for you with the Real Housewives since series one?
Speaker 3: Like how has it evolved for you?
Speaker 1: Obviously, my journeys have evolved. I think since doing season one,
Speaker 1: people have really seen me grow into my own and
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is wanting to become a mother,
Speaker 1: seeing that journey of that tug and pull of whether
Speaker 1: or not I'm ready to be a mother, and really
Speaker 1: showcasing my emotions during season one, two, three, and even
Speaker 1: four of where I was heading with motherhoods. So I
Speaker 1: feel the audience have come into it, Come on a
Speaker 1: journey with me with this. You don't realize how hard
Speaker 1: it is when you're trying IVF and you think am
Speaker 1: I going to get there? You know this is seven
Speaker 1: rounds in.
Speaker 4: The silver lining is that you can get pregnant.
Speaker 1: When I started this show, the one thing I always
Speaker 1: said was that I was going to be absolutely authentic
Speaker 1: to who I am and really show my life as
Speaker 1: it is. And the one thing that the producers have
Speaker 1: said over the years is, Jackie, you really feel like
Speaker 1: the heart and soul of the show because you really
Speaker 1: do open up about your struggles about whether it's you know, motherhood,
Speaker 1: or whether it's about your journey with being the psychic,
Speaker 1: you know, people not believing in all those things. So
Speaker 1: I feel that this is something that the audience needed
Speaker 1: to see. And now they're seeing my IVF struggles of
Speaker 1: becoming a mother, So I feel like I'm really opening
Speaker 1: myself up in a positive way that hopefully by starting
Speaker 1: the conversation of IBF, it inspires women to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Well, you had me in tears episode one, and I
Speaker 3: just thought it's so hard as well with reality television,
Speaker 3: because you know, it is about trust and being in
Speaker 3: front of the cameras and being in front of the
Speaker 3: producers and the other women that you're working with and
Speaker 3: sharing your story authentically. Yeah, I think all of that
Speaker 3: can be really hard to do. But I mean, already
Speaker 3: on episode one, you have us there.
Speaker 1: When I said yes to coming back for season five.
Speaker 1: The first time, I said no because I wasn't in
Speaker 1: the right headspace. I had to be I had to
Speaker 1: be in a positive frame of mind whilst doing IBF,
Speaker 1: and I only thought I was going to do a
Speaker 1: couple of rounds right. Never in my mind did I
Speaker 1: ever think that this was going to take round after
Speaker 1: round after round after round, going through the loss of
Speaker 1: a child and then experiencing that. And really, I feel
Speaker 1: like it was really important to share that people know
Speaker 1: me as a psychic medium, and I've been doing readings
Speaker 1: for seventeen years, and there's a lot of women out
Speaker 1: there that don't talk about IVF or miscarriages because they're
Speaker 1: ashamed or they're embarrassed. And I've seen that red handed
Speaker 1: in doing psychic meeting and meetings for all these years.
Speaker 1: And I've also seen that a lot of women don't
Speaker 1: even tell their parents or their siblings that they're going
Speaker 1: through IVF because they don't want to be judged. So
Speaker 1: I felt that it was very important for me to
Speaker 1: share this journey, to open, like I said, open up
Speaker 1: that conversation. And really, I know a lot of women
Speaker 1: out there struggle with fertility, and I felt like I
Speaker 1: had to be the voice and talk about it with
Speaker 1: something deep inside my soul was like I have to
Speaker 1: come back and talk about this.
Speaker 3: Was that the biggest selling point for you. Did you
Speaker 3: feel like that was just a part of your mission
Speaker 3: statement to tell that story for viewers around the world.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. You know, I dreamt before I was
Speaker 1: asked to come back for season five. So the season
Speaker 1: four was asked to come back for any other Housewife
Speaker 1: was and I had to give them an answer within
Speaker 1: a week. And I was in Erica at the time,
Speaker 1: and I just started my second round of ive VF
Speaker 1: and I said to Lisa, I said, I'm not in
Speaker 1: the right headspace. I'm not coming back. I won't be
Speaker 1: an asset to the team. And I have to be
Speaker 1: honest with who I am. And if I'm not an asset,
Speaker 1: if I can't give them a hundred percent, then I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do it. So when it came back
Speaker 1: around and COVID and you know, a year and a
Speaker 1: half later, I had already been through quite a few rounds,
Speaker 1: so I knew what I was undertaking, and I knew
Speaker 1: how to balance those emotions and mormones. So I was
Speaker 1: used to what goes on. But I had a dream,
Speaker 1: true story. I had a dream. And the next day
Speaker 1: I told Bem what my dream was and my dream
Speaker 1: was that I was filming The Real Housewives. I've got
Speaker 1: a phone call that afternoon by Lisa Potash and I said,
Speaker 1: you're ringing me because you want me to come back
Speaker 1: on the show, And she said yeah, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm in. And I knew it was because I had
Speaker 1: to showcase this. I really, I do believe that everything
Speaker 1: happens for a reason, and part of that was this journey.
Speaker 3: You know, how did being pregnant affect filming? Did that
Speaker 3: mean that you ended up becoming the sober one making
Speaker 3: sense while all the craziness went.
Speaker 1: You know what, it was really quite interesting to be
Speaker 1: to be filming whilst not even having a drink. But
Speaker 1: what people don't know is whilst I was filming The
Speaker 1: Real Housewives and motherl season five and being pregnant, at
Speaker 1: the same time, I was struggling with crippling, crippling sietkid
Speaker 1: to the point that I had to wear flat shoes,
Speaker 1: couldn't wear heels. My doctor said, you cannot wear heels.
Speaker 1: It was like in tears, crying like that. I could
Speaker 1: hardly move so and all the production knew what I
Speaker 1: was dealing with, and I'd still turn up and just
Speaker 1: put a smile on. You've got to do what you
Speaker 1: have to do. But it wasn't easy for me. It
Speaker 1: was a struggle emotionally with this sidey campaign that I've
Speaker 1: never ever experienced in my life. It was debilitating sometimes
Speaker 1: and so crippling. But in saying that, coming back to
Speaker 1: the alcohol thing, it was actually interesting to see how
Speaker 1: from the bird's eye view of some of this completely
Speaker 1: and utterly sober and not having one dream. Oh, my
Speaker 1: reactions are probably now that's not true because I I
Speaker 1: still reacted. I still get passionate about things, So I
Speaker 1: don't need to drink to be even louder, because that's
Speaker 1: who I am. But it's just really interesting to see
Speaker 1: how some of the other housewives drink too much and
Speaker 1: how they act.
Speaker 3: Wasn't it beautiful though that Janet was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to drink at this lunch that she was throwing.
Speaker 3: You know, that was a really nice idea, And I
Speaker 3: thought to myself as I saw it, You're gonna have
Speaker 3: to try and keep up with this, and I don't
Speaker 3: think you're gonna.
Speaker 5: You know that we've had the conversation about that you're
Speaker 5: doing over here.
Speaker 4: So JACKX, this is.
Speaker 5: The non alcoholic one. I don't want to make it
Speaker 5: obvious that you're not drinking. Oh my god, not drinking
Speaker 5: is I hate to say, it's so boring.
Speaker 1: Thank you, So.
Speaker 5: I'm coming out with you as I'm not drinking either.
Speaker 1: I said to her, girl, I appreciate you being the
Speaker 1: best of you are. The girl by this is not
Speaker 1: gonna laugh because it wouldn't last for me.
Speaker 4: But I love you.
Speaker 1: Worry somebody, I love you. I'll give it one crack,
Speaker 1: but no, I like and I like to have a
Speaker 1: wine or two, you know, tequila. I mean, you're out
Speaker 1: with the girls and you're shining it up and you're
Speaker 1: at a dinner party and listen. If I have to
Speaker 1: sometimes sit there and listen to some bullshit, I prefer
Speaker 1: to do it with a nice glass of read. Wouldn't you?
Speaker 4: Boys?
Speaker 3: Were you sad to see Lydia and Gina not come
Speaker 3: back to the show.
Speaker 1: I think Gina and Lydia absolutely bring something to the show,
Speaker 1: right because we're all cast for different reasons, and part
Speaker 1: of that reasons are we bring something that's different and.
Speaker 2: There's dynamic and that the audience like, you can't have
Speaker 2: everybody that's the same because if you do. There is
Speaker 2: no show in saying that the dynamic is completely natally
Speaker 2: changed when Lydia and Gina left the show.
Speaker 1: And yes, there are times that I go, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: Like I spoke to Jena the other day actually, and
Speaker 1: I said, girl, I think you should come back, because
Speaker 1: I actually miss Jena's energy. And listen, a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know that Gena and I have very similar
Speaker 1: It's just that sometimes I don't agree with some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that she says, and sometimes she doesn't agree
Speaker 1: with some of the stuff that I say. But we're
Speaker 1: both very European, and this is probably why we butt heads. Like, girl,
Speaker 1: I don't believe what you're saying, she shaut, I don'tbelieve
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Well, well, then that's that. But the
Speaker 1: thing about Lydia and Gina is that you could have
Speaker 1: an argument or you have something and then a minute
Speaker 1: lady kind of talking again. That's because they know the
Speaker 1: program right, and I feel like some of the new
Speaker 1: housewives that have come in they've probably struggled with that,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that because they're newbies right
Speaker 1: coming into something they're unaware of.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess does that make it a little bit
Speaker 3: more stressful with these newbies coming in. I mean, they
Speaker 3: don't understand probably the familiarity that you girls have had
Speaker 3: over for established seasons of the show. Did the other
Speaker 3: women feel stressed out by it? And did you try
Speaker 3: and help them with that? Like?
Speaker 4: What was that process?
Speaker 1: Like I ever said to Janets and to Gamble right
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I'm a person that will get to
Speaker 1: know you independently off face value. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you've had an argument this that person over here. If
Speaker 1: somebody had an argument with Janet or Gamble's that's an
Speaker 1: issue between you two. Rite. I'm getting to know you
Speaker 1: because I want to get to know you. But what
Speaker 1: I found, you know, there was times I gave them
Speaker 1: great advice. I said, listen, I said, there's going to
Speaker 1: be times that you're probably not going to like what
Speaker 1: you see, but you've got to be authentic to who
Speaker 1: you are. Don't try and be to yourself. Don't put
Speaker 1: on bravado because the camera never lies, and if you
Speaker 1: do that, you may come across that you don't like, right.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes I felt like there was a bit
Speaker 1: of not wanting to share an opinion in case it
Speaker 1: made them look a certain way where you've got Roachie
Speaker 1: myself and gamble to just give it all. Right, this
Speaker 1: is how I feel. I don't care what people think
Speaker 1: of me because I know who I am and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm believing. So I felt like that was tricky
Speaker 1: at times. And the other thing that was really tricky
Speaker 1: sometimes too, is I like all the women. Simone's beautiful,
Speaker 1: Angeliae's great, so is Kyler and and Cherry. They've got
Speaker 1: their own kind of flare that they bring something really
Speaker 1: quite amazing to the show. But when you get them together, Cherry,
Speaker 1: Angelie and Kyler, the problem was because of the new
Speaker 1: girls that became really good friends. I felt like there
Speaker 1: were times that it was hard to get to know
Speaker 1: them independently because they were always so close. And sometimes
Speaker 1: that's a detriment to a show when you're like, well,
Speaker 1: how's this going to work? Like if you're not going
Speaker 1: to engage. And it's not saying that they're not really engaging,
Speaker 1: it's kind of I felt like they were retecting each
Speaker 1: other in the event they didn't. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: against the oldies a little bit, and that might come across,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? But I feel like
Speaker 1: that came from a sense of maybe being anxious about
Speaker 1: what this whole filming is like because they've never done
Speaker 1: it before. And I can understand that as well.
Speaker 3: I think what is also a bit stranger for these
Speaker 3: girls is the franchise of the Real Housewives has exploded,
Speaker 3: so yeah, I think for them there's a lot of
Speaker 3: pressure to be what they think you need to be
Speaker 3: to be a housewife instead of just going yes, I've
Speaker 3: been cast for a reason, that's okay. I don't need
Speaker 3: a million dollars, I don't need all of these things.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be okay. I'm going to trust
Speaker 3: the process where I think, yes, it's not just this
Speaker 3: season of Melbourne. I think it's everywhere globally. Orange County
Speaker 3: have had that, you know where They've got women renting
Speaker 3: houses and renting clothing and it's like, mate, calm it down.
Speaker 1: Just be you. I'm one hundred percent with you. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't care, and people know this about me. I
Speaker 1: don't care where you come from. I don't care what
Speaker 1: your social status is like. Just be you. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm from Newcastle. My dad came to this country with
Speaker 1: not a dollar in his wallet. So for me and
Speaker 1: I went to a state school, I didn't have the
Speaker 1: privilege of going to a private school, and I certainly
Speaker 1: didn't have the privilege of growing up with lots and
Speaker 1: lots of money. No, like, you know, if I want
Speaker 1: a new shoes, I have to wait. I wasn't privileged
Speaker 1: in that situation, as privileged with love and privileged with
Speaker 1: parents that always tell me to do the right things
Speaker 1: by people, and be honest to who you are and
Speaker 1: treat everybody with the way with respect or the way
Speaker 1: that you want to be treated. So I think coming
Speaker 1: into this show, you're right. I feel like there was
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of times where some people thought, this
Speaker 1: is I've got to act a certain way or I've
Speaker 1: going to be a certain way. But what I'm like
Speaker 1: about you is the person that you are authentically, that's
Speaker 1: me personally, And how is that going to translate with
Speaker 1: the viewers? Because if you was very smart.
Speaker 4: But you know also that you know.
Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Melbourne was a really interesting first season
Speaker 3: and then I think what we learned out of that
Speaker 3: was you can be a good person or you could
Speaker 3: be a bad person, but as long as you own it,
Speaker 3: that's what resonates with the audience. In some ways, Gina's
Speaker 3: behavior in the first series could be dissected as being
Speaker 3: not okay, but then she was a fan favorite because
Speaker 3: she just owned it.
Speaker 1: No, but I agree with you. I think it's not
Speaker 1: just only behavior, it's just don'ting who you are on
Speaker 1: every level. I mean, the good thing about the New
Speaker 1: Housewives is they bring a fresh energy, a new energy,
Speaker 1: and something that's really really beautiful. And what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is you actually get to see us getting
Speaker 1: to know these housewives in real time, so it kind
Speaker 1: of freshens it up, and it freshens up new energy
Speaker 1: and new dynamics. How we're all going to connect. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you, like hah, there are some days
Speaker 1: that I go, oh my god, did that just really happen?
Speaker 1: But I can't confirm or deny that my bestie Genet
Speaker 1: Roach may be in the thick.
Speaker 4: Of it always.
Speaker 1: I think some of the arguments that happen this year
Speaker 1: really is about difference of opinion and perspective. Right, you
Speaker 1: have your view on something and I have my view
Speaker 1: on something, and maybe my view doesn't meet up with
Speaker 1: your view, So what does that mean? Does that mean
Speaker 1: that I'm not telling the truth.
Speaker 3: No, doesn't I say that to people all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, two people go into a room and they
Speaker 3: witness something, and they leave and they both have completely
Speaker 3: retellings of what they saw and who's got the truth.
Speaker 3: So don't get bog down in the detail of trying
Speaker 3: to work out who's right and wrong. Respect each other
Speaker 3: and respect that there's a difference of an opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Those people that go on a witch hunt try to
Speaker 3: prove to you that their opinion is right. That is
Speaker 3: a mousehole with no cheese down it, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Now, I agree with you, and I think that at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it doesn't matter even if
Speaker 1: you're trying to prove something that person that you may
Speaker 1: not have got along with, just in life in general,
Speaker 1: that'll always show their true colors. It will always come
Speaker 1: out in the end. It always does, Benjamin always.
Speaker 3: I agree with him. I think we're in agreement on
Speaker 3: that one. Can we go back to when the show
Speaker 3: was first cast. There were so many rumors out there
Speaker 3: and I couldn't find the actual answer to this today.
Speaker 3: But when the producers were setting out to cast this show,
Speaker 3: they weren't sure if it was going to be in
Speaker 3: Sydney or whether it was going to be in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Were you on the cards whether it was going to
Speaker 3: be in Sydney or Melbourne.
Speaker 1: No, I was always attached to Melbourn. How Melbourne came
Speaker 1: up for me, right is that Ben was doing music.
Speaker 1: We're writing an album. We're coming to Melbourne anyway, and
Speaker 1: we're coming in there for six months and we're just
Speaker 1: going to see how it goes, because when gets in
Speaker 1: the studio it's all over. There could be six months
Speaker 1: to a year thing, so we'll come in to Melbourne anyways.
Speaker 1: When I was asked to do The Housewives, I was
Speaker 1: already coming to Melbourne prior to being asked on the show.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like that's how it built up. And
Speaker 1: Bet and I just because I grew up in Newcastle
Speaker 1: or anybody that knows this, we don't stay in the
Speaker 1: one spot for very long. We get bored very easily,
Speaker 1: so either here La Europe, Sydney, Melbourne and Byron that's
Speaker 1: our other second home too, so we're never in one spot.
Speaker 1: And now with COVID listen, I could be in Newcastle
Speaker 1: for six months and then I can go to Sydney
Speaker 1: for three months and then I can go to Byron
Speaker 1: for two Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You're the real housewife of the Globe. You know.
Speaker 1: Our residence obviously is in Melbourne. But since having this
Speaker 1: baby and doing IBF, I used an IBF Newcastle doctor
Speaker 1: because when I came out of the jungle, I needed
Speaker 1: a break and I wanted to be around family because
Speaker 1: my sister had some children and I hadn't met them.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I need to be in this
Speaker 1: space around my family, and now that I'm giving birth,
Speaker 1: I wanted to stick with the IBF doctor that I
Speaker 1: was doing for two years.
Speaker 3: How's Ben gone with this? Because I can imagine my partner,
Speaker 3: whose name is Ben as well. I've got a lot
Speaker 3: of Ben's in my life. He would probably struggle with
Speaker 3: me doing a show like this. What does Ben think
Speaker 3: give you back on the Housewives?
Speaker 5: Do you know what?
Speaker 1: The one thing that I've got going for me that
Speaker 1: I think the other women do not is that Ben's
Speaker 1: been in this industry from the age of thirteen and
Speaker 1: a half, right, so he understands it. He's lived in
Speaker 1: this industry longer, in the music industry longer than he's
Speaker 1: actually lived a normal life. So for me, I was
Speaker 1: very blessed that I had a man that completely and
Speaker 1: ataly supported me on every single level. And he is
Speaker 1: a very secure man. He's not insecure, so if the
Speaker 1: limelight's not on men, he doesn't crack it where I've
Speaker 1: noticed over the seasons that troubles in relationships with some
Speaker 1: of these women have happened because the men like it's
Speaker 1: not about them anymore, it's about their partners, right. So
Speaker 1: I'm blessed that Ben's not because of the person he
Speaker 1: is is secure and who he is, and he allows
Speaker 1: me to be who I am without judgment, and he
Speaker 1: supports everything that I do. If he didn't support it,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't be able to do
Speaker 1: something that he doesn't support because it would put such
Speaker 1: a strain not just on our relationship but on me.
Speaker 1: How would I be able to do a show if
Speaker 1: my husband's not into it. You've got to sit down
Speaker 1: and talk to your family about it, because it's not
Speaker 1: just you that's in the process of doing a show
Speaker 1: like this. Ben's in it too. So I can't just
Speaker 1: be selfish and go I'm just going to do it
Speaker 1: and no worries to you. You know, that's what a
Speaker 1: relationship is. You communicate and you talk about it. Ben's
Speaker 1: never ever anything I've ever wanted to do in life.
Speaker 1: He's supported and championed everything.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been in your husband's audience buying his CDs
Speaker 3: since I'm the same age as your husband. I'll never
Speaker 3: forget Frogstom coming out. And I remember once you were
Speaker 3: even commented early on after I think it was starting
Speaker 3: off with season two, people kept asking if Daniel John's
Speaker 3: watched the show?
Speaker 4: Is he still watching it?
Speaker 1: He said, he loves this shit. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: know too. I mean, well, we don't know now because
Speaker 1: of season four and five nothing's happened. But of course
Speaker 1: even Chris Chris join you. I'm really like we see
Speaker 1: each other all the time. We're I'm back in New Week.
Speaker 1: All the boys are very supportive of what each other do.
Speaker 1: Like does. What I've found since doing this show is
Speaker 1: the love and support that I've always received, not only
Speaker 1: from my family but also my friends that have public refile. So,
Speaker 1: like Jackie, just go for it. Who cares what anyone thinks,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're enjoying the show, just do it,
Speaker 1: and I do enjoy the show.
Speaker 4: You can see that.
Speaker 3: I think it's very authentic and it comes across that way,
Speaker 3: and I think that's why is still there.
Speaker 4: Will you do more?
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a soft reboot of the franchise,
Speaker 3: and you know you're just about to have twins. But
Speaker 3: I reckon that Brian Walsh is going to roll into
Speaker 3: a six series pretty quickly. It's shaping up to be
Speaker 3: a pretty amazing series.
Speaker 4: Would you come back and do more?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I think I would, and I'll tell you why, because
Speaker 1: I feel like my journey hasn't ended yet. You have
Speaker 1: the twins, then we don't see Jagg anymore. I haven't
Speaker 1: met well. I'd want to share that journey of motherhood
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's still a lot more to
Speaker 1: explore with my journey. I actually enjoy filming the housewise,
Speaker 1: I really do so for me. If the enjoyment stopped,
Speaker 1: then I'd stop.
Speaker 3: Did you reach out to Teddy Mellencamp, who did was
Speaker 3: pregnant for a whole series of the Real Housewives of
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills and ask for any advice?
Speaker 1: No, not Teddy. I didn't reach out to Teddy. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really funny, interesting. Sometimes Lisa Renner and I've gotten
Speaker 1: on Twitter and we've had like some conversations and she's
Speaker 1: she just cracks me up. And the other girl that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm mates with is and I actually have her
Speaker 1: on my podcast is actually from the Real Housewives of Potomac,
Speaker 1: actually Harby, So she's just had two children and we've
Speaker 1: talked about that and how it was for her being pregnant,
Speaker 1: giving birth, bringing the children on, and she goes, it's
Speaker 1: actually been a wonderful experience because all the ladies just
Speaker 1: love and adore children. You know, they're all mothers that
Speaker 1: they understand it. If there is a season six, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that I'd be more than willing to come
Speaker 1: back unless unless something else happened.
Speaker 4: Well, how's your podcast going? Shine it Up?
Speaker 1: It's going really well. We did a Shine Up live
Speaker 1: podcast on the show of The Real Housewives and Mother
Speaker 1: season season five, and as you can see on my
Speaker 1: social media, my very first guest was none other than
Speaker 1: Julia Morris. She was a hoop. And my podcast is
Speaker 1: about motivation and inspiration and my journey and spirituality. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm heading towards and showing people how to listen
Speaker 1: to their intuition and also giving vibes like psychic vibes
Speaker 1: as well, but also showing people how your life's purpose
Speaker 1: goes in ways that sometimes are unexpected. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of people that I know that have public profiles
Speaker 1: that have come on my show for the first season.
Speaker 1: People don't understand that they've worked hard to get to
Speaker 1: where they've got to. It hasn't been all easy, and
Speaker 1: I want to just share how that began and how
Speaker 1: they're intuition and guided them there. They'd had these little
Speaker 1: aha moments. Did you ever have that where before you
Speaker 1: did this? You have these vibes when you're younger of
Speaker 1: where you wanted to go right, and then you look
Speaker 1: back and go, oh my god. Like I actually used
Speaker 1: to have these thoughts and I didn't really listen to it,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of guided me to where I am today,
Speaker 1: right and my experiences. So mine's very much about everything
Speaker 1: that I'm passionate about, which is spirituality, manifestation, and just
Speaker 1: really living the best version of yourself. By I listened
Speaker 1: to your intuition.
Speaker 4: Well one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And you know, some seasons of the Real Housewives, your
Speaker 3: psychic abilities play a bigger role than others. Will we
Speaker 3: see a lot more of your readings and your psychic abilities.
Speaker 1: In series five, I give a cast member of psychic
Speaker 1: medium reading. I also, if you don't know this season
Speaker 1: one and season I think it was three or four,
Speaker 1: which has been recorded, I actually say that I'm going
Speaker 1: to have twins. So that was like it came out
Speaker 1: that I was having twins. It was very much like
Speaker 1: the producers like, oh, they are like Jax, like you
Speaker 1: said out in season one, and I said, I always
Speaker 1: have this in and knowing right my intuition, I'm very
Speaker 1: strong my thoughts and what I hear when I hear
Speaker 1: from the other side. And what's really interesting is when
Speaker 1: you actually see my journey throughout this season. I had
Speaker 1: this dream when I was at the what I was
Speaker 1: starting to lose faith a bit about becoming a mother
Speaker 1: and my grandmother that lived in Croatia, my Bubba, she
Speaker 1: came to me in a dream and said, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have twins. And it was like something deep within my
Speaker 1: soul new was knowing that this will happen. But it's
Speaker 1: just funny how like I said at seven in season
Speaker 1: one and season three, it's not funny. It's the universe
Speaker 1: talking to me and I was listening. But that still
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that just because I'm psychic that I see
Speaker 1: everything for me. People go, oh my god, you're psyched,
Speaker 1: so you should say everything for yourself. That's not how
Speaker 1: it works, because if it works like that, then what
Speaker 1: the hell am I doing living? Because we're supposed to
Speaker 1: evolve as human beings, right, giving everything about your own life?
Speaker 3: Interesting that I always watched the show and I think
Speaker 3: to myself, I wonder if you can foresee some of
Speaker 3: the drama that's happening. I mean, there's already tension bubbling
Speaker 3: away behind the scenes and on social media between Angelae
Speaker 3: and Janet, which has been a little bit interesting to watch.
Speaker 3: Can you foresee some of that happening?
Speaker 1: I will tell you in season four of The Real
Speaker 1: Housewives Melbourne True Story, you could ask Janet this massive dream.
Speaker 1: I was in New York. I remember I had this
Speaker 1: dream and I wrung her up. It was about five
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning our time. She's like, Jack's, what's
Speaker 1: going on? And I said, I had this dream And
Speaker 1: I told her I'm not going to tell you what
Speaker 1: cast members it was. I told her exactly that a
Speaker 1: story was going to be conjured up and I said
Speaker 1: who the person was going to start it? And she
Speaker 1: goes what I And I said, how this was going
Speaker 1: to unfold? And it did and she just freaked out.
Speaker 1: As we were filming season four, things had started to
Speaker 1: unfold the way I dreamt it. So yes, and I
Speaker 1: said that I've got to just be be prepared for that,
Speaker 1: because the thing is, when she puts something out there, right,
Speaker 1: don't think of an elephant. Then you think of an elephant, right,
Speaker 1: So that's what I was dealing with, you know. Me
Speaker 1: and Rochie got into a bit of a hit of
Speaker 1: moment because it was that whole thing. Okay, I'll just
Speaker 1: say it where Lydia said off, you know, she had
Speaker 1: said all these things about you, but it was made up,
Speaker 1: like it was all just made up for the show,
Speaker 1: right from her end. But even though she says, you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I know what I dreamed and I know
Speaker 1: what I said to Roachie. And this was six months
Speaker 1: before we even started feeling the show, So yes, I
Speaker 1: do see things that happened. And as for Angelaie, you're
Speaker 1: asking about Angelae and Janet, what's really interesting about that
Speaker 1: is I felt like because I got along with Angeline
Speaker 1: and I thought she was real hurt. To be fair,
Speaker 1: but it was really interesting to see why Janet got
Speaker 1: left thick with Angeline because the only really problem she
Speaker 1: had was with another housewife, but it wasn't with Angelie
Speaker 1: or anybody else. So it's kind of for me a
Speaker 1: bit like why would you have an issue with Roachi
Speaker 1: or because what I know is Roachie to this day
Speaker 1: says she doesn't have an issue with Angeline. She doesn't
Speaker 1: have an issue her issues only because of something that's
Speaker 1: happened on set from somebody else that has said something.
Speaker 1: So it's like, has that kind of made their relationship
Speaker 1: not strong because other people have interfered without letting them
Speaker 1: get to know each other one on one. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, Benjamin. So if you've got close
Speaker 1: mates and you don't like somebody, then sometimes that can
Speaker 1: have a bit of an influence about the way you
Speaker 1: see somebody where that won't happen with me. Do you
Speaker 1: say you don't like someone Rochie, I don't care. I'm
Speaker 1: going to get to know them on my own accord
Speaker 1: and vice versa. There's been people over the seasons that
Speaker 1: I haven't really clicked with, and she's still best mates
Speaker 1: with it. But I'm not going to judge her on
Speaker 1: that because that's her connection with that person. So that's
Speaker 1: where I feel like the problem has probably started arising
Speaker 1: with her and Angelie because other people are involved in
Speaker 1: this whole commentary of stuff that goes on throughout the season.
Speaker 3: Well, there are rumors that Angeline is not even going
Speaker 3: to come back for the reunion, and I hear the
Speaker 3: reunions upon you you're about to film it, Well.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. You're going to have
Speaker 1: to ask the production team you don't and tell off
Speaker 1: that that's a pig usion.
Speaker 3: Is Alex Perry coming back? Or is Joel Creesy going
Speaker 3: to take his job? A lot of people talking about
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: You don't know, do you know what? When it comes
Speaker 1: to REEM, we don't know anything about the reem and
Speaker 1: we do not know who's going to be coming back
Speaker 1: for it. We don't know anything about that. They don't
Speaker 1: tell us that, and I reckon that I'll tell us
Speaker 1: that for a reason because they want to be able
Speaker 1: to have that organicness of what's going on in the hood.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's a pip call. That's another
Speaker 1: pip question and a Fox steal question.
Speaker 4: If you could have one former housewife back.
Speaker 1: Who would that be Gina?
Speaker 4: It would be Gina.
Speaker 3: And when you said to Gina, because you mentioned this earlier,
Speaker 3: would you come back, did she sound like she was
Speaker 3: open to it.
Speaker 1: You'll have to listen to my podcast with that one.
Speaker 4: I'm not giving you an exclusive.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's something you'll have to listen to. I
Speaker 1: can't confirm or deny that.
Speaker 3: What about photo gate, I'm now asking all these questions
Speaker 3: in quick succession photogames.
Speaker 1: All saying about photogate is women should support women and
Speaker 1: there should be no negativity about the way cheek came
Speaker 1: off looking. That was ridiculous. I just find I find
Speaker 1: that just shameful. I just feel like women should support
Speaker 1: women and that wasn't cool.
Speaker 4: Good way to have, a good way to say it.
Speaker 1: And then every truth though, Ben, you know, and.
Speaker 3: Which housewife of the new ones did you connect with them?
Speaker 3: There's Cherry, Simone, Angelie, Kyla. Can you say one of
Speaker 3: them that you connected with more than the other?
Speaker 1: Probably Simone and Cherry. Cherry's quite spiritual, Kyla had a
Speaker 1: little lass with it. Evid Angelie I like, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I got to know them better. Those two
Speaker 1: better on a deeper level, and Simone we got along
Speaker 1: right off for that. Simone and I and Cherry and
Speaker 1: I really connected on a spiritual level.
Speaker 3: I think I met all of them at the launch
Speaker 3: and I just thought they were all just like in
Speaker 3: the first series, it just felt like they were really
Speaker 3: cast well. It felt like they took the time to
Speaker 3: go and find these women to fall into a slot
Speaker 3: that not to replace a Gina, not to replace Oldia,
Speaker 3: but to create a new person, you know. And I
Speaker 3: thought all the women. I had a good chat with
Speaker 3: Simone and I thought that she was just she was
Speaker 3: just beautiful. And the interesting reason I bring that up
Speaker 3: with you is that I was there for the media
Speaker 3: launch for series one, so before you'd even started any filming.
Speaker 3: I was there at that launch and I interviewed all
Speaker 3: of the housewives, and I remember there was just this
Speaker 3: amazing buzz. There was this buzz brewing about the show,
Speaker 3: and then you went on to shoot it and it
Speaker 3: was phenomenal. I have been to a few of the
Speaker 3: other launchers, but I reckon this season to me, had
Speaker 3: that same buzz like you had series one.
Speaker 4: It was like, I.
Speaker 1: Lovely you saying that, and I'll tell you why, because
Speaker 1: from your perspective, right, sometimes when you're in it, like
Speaker 1: you know, you're in Big Brother, so you don't like
Speaker 1: you don't when you feelm me, you don't really know
Speaker 1: what's going on, right, But from somebody else's perspective, when
Speaker 1: you hear that, it makes you go, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I felt that too. I felt like the energy
Speaker 1: was like new and fresh and dynamic, and it's going
Speaker 1: to be explosive because you've got to bring these new
Speaker 1: with the old, right, So bringing that connectability is I
Speaker 1: feel like, will be the thumb ride for the audience
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: One of my questions was asking all the women had
Speaker 3: they watched Housewives or what preparation had they done to
Speaker 3: be on the show in the first series, and Gina went, now,
Speaker 3: I haven't watched a single episode. She goes, I watched
Speaker 3: Mob Wives though, and I was like, Mob Wives, no wonder,
Speaker 3: no wonder. She ended up being the way she was
Speaker 3: on the show. She obviously watched.
Speaker 1: You know that, I watched Mob Wives two and her
Speaker 1: partner at the time Jan he gets YouTube belonging mod
Speaker 1: He actually said you and Gina belong in Bloody mod Wives.
Speaker 1: I said, I'd actually do good in Mobwives, trust me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think as well YouTube from the first
Speaker 3: season and you especially again now you get the idea
Speaker 3: of the drama and the warmth and the humor and
Speaker 3: right on. It's just and it's why the season works
Speaker 3: so well in Melbourne and it maybe didn't work as
Speaker 3: well in Sydney. You girls all seem to get the
Speaker 3: balance right, and that's important.
Speaker 1: I do think it's important. I mean, you can't just
Speaker 1: be sitting around arguing all day long, because what's the
Speaker 1: point about. Yes, you can have drama, but you've also
Speaker 1: got to bring the element of who you are and
Speaker 1: the authenticity of who you are and what you're actually
Speaker 1: going through. So for me, I do know that what
Speaker 1: I brought to the table this season, like every other season,
Speaker 1: is very raw, very truthful, and very much Mike's experience
Speaker 1: of what I was experiencing. And I feel like Melbourne
Speaker 1: Housewives compared to Sydney, has that with all the seasons.
Speaker 1: You know, Jenna's father passing away, the roach, you're talking
Speaker 1: about her beautiful son, like, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: They're all stories that connect to the audience, and that's
Speaker 1: what makes the audience want to keep watching outside of arguments.
Speaker 3: But also it's aspirational, and I think that's one of
Speaker 3: the things you need the most in a show like this,
Speaker 3: is for you to be inspiring and for us as
Speaker 3: an audience to connect to you in a way that's
Speaker 3: in an aspirational element. And I think that's a large
Speaker 3: part of it as well. I think that there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people that want to be like you, want
Speaker 3: to learn from you, and I think that's why when
Speaker 3: we talk about finishing this interview today, we bring it
Speaker 3: back to the start of you being so earnest and
Speaker 3: sharing your IVF story.
Speaker 4: That is the very foundation of this show.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And I also believe that the casting. The
Speaker 1: casting is a big thing, right, Like you've got to
Speaker 1: get the casting right, you know, the years If you
Speaker 1: look at all the households, I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: New York and big fan of all of them, Atlanta,
Speaker 1: O C. Jersey. The ones that stick out and even
Speaker 1: if you don't like them that are still there, it's
Speaker 1: because of their connection with the other cast members, Like
Speaker 1: you look at Sonia Ramona, they might argue to the
Speaker 1: cows come home. But when you stick them together, there's
Speaker 1: a real genuine friendship and love that you can feel it.
Speaker 1: But sometimes with the new comes in, it's like you
Speaker 1: can feel the disharmony of it's not so organic. Is
Speaker 1: how I want to word that?
Speaker 4: Well, Jackson said, very well. There.
Speaker 3: My last question that I ask all of my guests
Speaker 3: before they go is what's an amazing story from behind
Speaker 3: the scenes that we're as an audience might appreciate. Something
Speaker 3: that maybe happened while you're filming Series five that probably
Speaker 3: won't end up on air, but might be just a
Speaker 3: fund story.
Speaker 1: After we film, we actually get together and we have
Speaker 1: I mean I did this year. But they'll have shots
Speaker 1: to ta quila, they'll keep drinking, some of them go
Speaker 1: for a cigarette, and like after we stopped filming, like
Speaker 1: even when we had our way trip, you know they
Speaker 1: were sitting there drinking cocktails or two or three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. So you don't see that, right, And
Speaker 1: there's sometimes a real rapport around the women after filming
Speaker 1: that you don't get to see, and so it's kind
Speaker 1: of like letting steam off after you just let's steam off.
Speaker 1: So I feel like if people saw that side, I mean,
Speaker 1: so I saw that side because you said anyway. But
Speaker 1: it's really fun and when you have your going away trips,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're some of the best trips because
Speaker 1: you're all together, you're enjoying each other's company, You're you know,
Speaker 1: in the nice, warm heat wherever we are is there.
Speaker 3: What's the biggest resolution or what's the biggest you know?
Speaker 3: I heard one happened to two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 3: where Gina and Sally there was a resolution to the.
Speaker 1: Reunion and everybody was dancing around the hotel rooms. That
Speaker 1: was great because they were all in the good energy,
Speaker 1: shining up, having a drink. Yeah, I love you. So
Speaker 1: there was a resolution there which was really lovely, and
Speaker 1: I think even Roachie posted the video of us kicking it.
Speaker 1: There's even a time in Dubai actually where this strip
Speaker 1: of guy. But he's hot, good looking dude, he was Roachie.
Speaker 1: She gets up on the table and I'm like, dann it,
Speaker 1: he's not straight. He told us he's gave me he's hot.
Speaker 1: He's a chop, right. She's dancing at the table like
Speaker 1: and they've got those hookers. You know those hooker things
Speaker 1: you smoke, Yeah, because that's what they all do over
Speaker 1: in Dubai. And everyone's making these hookers that have that
Speaker 1: have like different flavors. And I remember, obviously they're giving
Speaker 1: him this a crack. I don't even smoke anyway, but
Speaker 1: I thought I'll give this a crack and it was
Speaker 1: all raspberry. And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm so curling.
Speaker 1: She's up there dancing and I'm like, Roachie.
Speaker 2: He is gay and he is not in.
Speaker 1: Dancing.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, I reckon that there could be a show on
Speaker 3: the show, so anything that happens behind the scenes a
Speaker 3: Reican people would chew up. But the finished product is
Speaker 3: quite amazing. You have been amazing. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for being able to be here today and share these stories.
Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone that's listening to Tivy Reload today will
Speaker 3: will love this.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just want to say it's an honor
Speaker 1: for me to come on your show because you take
Speaker 1: time out and you do your research and you do
Speaker 1: all these things behind the scenes. And thank you for
Speaker 1: not just supporting the Real Housewives Melbour, but also supporting
Speaker 1: the story of what's of what the truth is, you
Speaker 1: know me, Yeah, sharing the IVF journey and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I really do been