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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and of.

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Speaker 1: Course we've got doctor Yolanda Adams and you are the

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Kenny.

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Speaker 3: Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yolanda, we might go to you first. I know

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Speaker 4: First off, Yeah, I'm so excited to be a part

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I guess we know that at this

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Speaker 1: Everybody understands that some people are going to need to

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Speaker 3: That's just something we're.

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Speaker 5: Well, as you've said, we expect Territory Families to vacate

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Speaker 5: A building that is designated at our programs, education and

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Speaker 3: It's not an accommodation block.

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Speaker 5: Right you're referring to, occurred in May twenty twenty. The

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Speaker 3: It's ready to go.

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Speaker 5: It's not been ideal and it has slowed us down,

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Speaker 5: But that facility has been an eighteen month reconstruction project.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to have a significant change impact for us,

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Speaker 5: but it's part of a much bigger jigsaw puzzle CADI.

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Speaker 5: So the announcement last week was a whole range of

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Speaker 3: Now, when we.

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Speaker 5: Look at all of the jigsaw pieces and we put

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Speaker 5: We think the don Dale site can be converted to

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Speaker 1: How big an impact is that going to have? When

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Speaker 5: So our prison numbers have increased substantially in the last

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Speaker 5: The bit that I can't control, Katie, obviously is you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing, you know, it does seem

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Speaker 3: That's right, Katie.

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Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, the Dondale facility

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Speaker 2: It is going to have an impact.

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Speaker 3: It will have an impact on our budget.

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Speaker 5: But obviously we've been putting our case to government over

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Speaker 3: Services, and of course prisoners cost money to hold.

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Speaker 5: You know, we obviously have to pay for food, clothing

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Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: What you know, what are.

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Speaker 4: What we're really trying to achieve, Katie, is is having

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Speaker 2: Commissioner. How those numbers looking look?

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Speaker 3: Where always recruiting, Katie.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So if people want to come and get a

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Speaker 5: job with corrections, check out our Corrections careers website.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of opportunity, not just uniformed but.

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Speaker 5: Clinicians, so social workers, and also let's not forget our

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Speaker 5: community corrections, probation and parole offices. We have ten community

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Speaker 5: corrections offices around, sorry offices around the territory and about

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Speaker 5: two hundred community correction staff that do all sorts of

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Speaker 5: released from custody. It's a really great and rewarding career,

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Speaker 5: and all of that information is on our careers website.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you both coming into the studio for

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Speaker 1: US this morning. Corrections Commissioner Matthew Varley and new Deputy

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Orlanda Adams. Thank you, doctor Orlanda Adams. I should

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Speaker 1: say thank you so very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Kay, Thank you