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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to a special episode version variation of the pod.

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Speaker 1: It's the Birthday episode. Because this POD's coming out Monday,

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Speaker 1: we're Friday now recording this and Monday, the fourteenth of

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Speaker 1: September is my birthday, and Wednesday, the sixteenth of September

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Speaker 1: is the Bossco's birthday. Who I'm sitting opposite. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: So happy birthday. This is your birthday week this comes out.

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Speaker 1: So we decided to do a birthday episode where we

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Speaker 1: interview one another, kind of like quick fire, kind of

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Speaker 1: not quick fire, but questions sound good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds great.

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Speaker 1: So we've both written, spent some time in written questions

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Speaker 1: for another. We have no idea what the other person

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Speaker 1: has written. I don't know if yours are silly or serious.

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Speaker 2: I have no very serious.

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Speaker 1: So happy birthday week?

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Speaker 2: Boss? Have we birthday week? Are we going to start

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Speaker 2: by saying congratulations to you? First?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why you just signed a new book deal and you're

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Speaker 2: writing a new book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, book number eleven. Holy mackerel. I'm slightly I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited, but I'm also scared because this book

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Speaker 1: is like, it's not a recipe book like what I

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Speaker 1: normally write, and the word counter is hugely larger. And

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Speaker 1: I'm also full time studying an acting school. Some slightly

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Speaker 1: nervous as well, but it excited awesome. And I was

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Speaker 1: texting my mate Karina this morning and I said, what

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Speaker 1: I love about doing acting school whilst writing a manuscript

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Speaker 1: is that acting school has a very tough discipline to it,

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Speaker 1: almost militant. And they say to us all the time,

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Speaker 1: you're training for the Olympics, And I think it's nice

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Speaker 1: to have that discipline, yes, and workload, but to have

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Speaker 1: that discipline whilst writing a manuscript that you're kind of

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Speaker 1: the boss of, Like there's nobody. I mean, obviously the

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Speaker 1: publishers are going to hold me accountable, but like you're

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Speaker 1: the one that's got to get up in the morning

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Speaker 1: and write that book. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I know what you mean. I've been watching you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have you have a little writing nerd on it.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's good. That's very, very exciting. I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to read it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's your birthday this week's Sexy Legs. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So do you want me to start with it? No,

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Speaker 1: I would like you to say, it's my birthday today

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Speaker 1: technically on the Monday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, Ah, I don't even know where to start. Really,

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Speaker 2: you've got me, You've got me riled up this morning,

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Speaker 2: riled Well, I've got a few questions. Okay, do you

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Speaker 1: Well, technically you're the interviewer for the first half now,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm into and I'm the interviewee and then

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Speaker 1: we switch. Yeah, that's that was what we thought would

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Speaker 1: be cool for a birthday episode.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with the matter at hand, which is

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Speaker 2: we're still in lockdown. We are technically, and we're having

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Speaker 2: our birthdays, which we thought our friends would be able

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Speaker 2: to come up to talking, which they can't in our family.

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Speaker 2: So it's just you and me, which I don't mind

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Speaker 2: because I like spending time with you and we haven't

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Speaker 2: killed each other yet.

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Speaker 1: No, we fall probably more in love if we're honesty,

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Speaker 1: So I think we'll just start with what's been your

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Speaker 1: greatest ISO lesson and gift. The biggest gift of ISO

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Speaker 1: is that we are inky at Dad's holiday house. We

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Speaker 1: It was a very traumatic forty eight seventy two hours

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Speaker 1: Isn't it? And the Corona numbers were just going through

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Speaker 1: So the biggest gift has been like, we're in nature,

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Speaker 2: Okay, it feels nice to say that we're permanent talkie residents.

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Speaker 1: We know all the local spotsal as Boss calls it

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Speaker 1: when he's driving. Okay. That's another thing I'm grateful for

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Speaker 2: So even just simple stuff like going shopping and post office.

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Speaker 1: Totally to ride posting Lolla coffee.

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Speaker 1: So what takes five minutes in the car takes like

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Speaker 1: And anytime I want a chocolate, I'd have to walk

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Speaker 2: been your your nice ISO lessons slash gift. Change is

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Speaker 2: as a society, as people, we are quite resistant to change.

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Speaker 1: So, yes, it's like natural human behavior to love ritual

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Speaker 1: been a bit of a gypsy. I since beving out

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Speaker 2: How'd you learn to let go.

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Speaker 1: Of like a routine or a structure. I've never had one.

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Speaker 1: I'm solid and jad our mutual friend and natural path

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Speaker 2: sleep patterns wouldn't allow it, boss, No, they would not.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. All right, Well, what would be now your

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's nice. That's a very nice answer, I think

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Speaker 1: have a career. Like I'm studying acting but I'm ten

437
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 1: years older than everyone in my class. And he's like, Okay,

438
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: you're afraid of death right now. You're afraid that your

439
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: life is going to pass you by and you're not

440
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: going to achieve what you want to set out to achieve.

441
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: And he's like, let's break this down. He's like, you're

442
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: an entertainer. You always will be, you always have been.

443
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: That's got no timeline on it. And he's like, let's

444
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: get really clear about what your dream is. And I

445
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: was like, my dream is to be like Jimmy Fallon

446
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, exactly, and the training you're doing is

447
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: going to completely help help you with that. And I

448
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: just saw this morning. Jimmy Fallon was in Almost Famous.

449
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: He acted as like the band's second manager, and I

450
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I've got to watch Almost

451
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: Famous again. But I think I think I get really

452
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: and this is where you said call you shit out.

453
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: I get a little bit single focused, and I'm like,

454
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: if I can't be the next Kate Blanchett, that's that's

455
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: not necessarily my goal. I think my goal is to

456
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: be an entertainer and that could mean acting, that could

457
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: mean TV presenting, And I think you've got to let

458
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: yourself breathe and keep your dreams broad That's what I've

459
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: found anyway.

460
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 2: And let it grow into like what it's meant to be.

461
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and keep doing the work. Like keep that's a

462
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: very actor thing to say, but like the more work

463
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: you do, the more discipline that you are with the craft,

464
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: the more opportunity that's comes. And I think as well,

465
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: work ethic is what people remember and then rebook you

466
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Speaker 1: on your work.

467
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, very very last question. Hope's directions dreams for

468
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: thirty five to thirty six?

469
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, wonderful.

470
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: Some surmising your next twelve months?

471
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Speaker 1: Well, I really want to do nature and you, Oh

472
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Speaker 1: do you do? I didn't mean that. I meant like

473
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: maybe later I met so cheeky. I meant hanging out

474
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: more nature with you. I really want to do some

475
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: time in bar and Bay. You and I know that

476
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: that's our happy place. I'm going to have to chase

477
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: a few career things overseas next year when it's a

478
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: little bit safer. So pursuing that this book will come

479
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: out next year, I'm really hoping for a global release,

480
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: which means we get to bring it out in Australia,

481
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: the UK, and the US, which is massive for me.

482
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 1: I've only been able to do that with one of

483
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: the other ten books, like so one's only ever made

484
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: it internationally. So to be really beautiful to see how

485
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: far this bad boy can go. And I think, just

486
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: like soak everything up. I have been saving my little

487
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: butt off. I'm hoping to buy a place. But at

488
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: the same time, it's such a funny time in the

489
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: world right now that I'm just happy watching it at

490
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: the moment and then I'll make my pounds. And I

491
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: think our one of our combined dreams is I think

492
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: we want to grow our family with a little puppuccino

493
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: in the next twelve months, don't we.

494
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you like that? Maybe a pack of dogs.

495
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we just need to figure out where our

496
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: base is. We've got a lot of travel coming up

497
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: when things lift, so there's no point buying a place

498
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: and getting a dog until we've got that grounding. So

499
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a lot of moving parts for

500
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: the next twelve months, and I'm okay with that. I

501
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: think that it will probably solidify the next twelve months,

502
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: will probably solidfy the next five years. So I think

503
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: it's a really exciting time for both of us.

504
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: Very exciting.

505
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Is that all your questions?

506
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Very nice. Well, I've got some different ones,

507
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: so I do the serious ones and now what are

508
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: you going to do?

509
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: So I've got some like quick rapid fire one. So

510
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: some are going to be more long winded, a little

511
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: bit like all of mine were. But some of them

512
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: are funny and just to kind.

513
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: Of get you in the zi, here we go go.

514
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: Fave animal dogs, dog as you are a dog a person.

515
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Safe word pineapples, which we said on our first ever day.

516
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: Do you know that it's the same safe word as

517
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake and Jessica B.

518
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: Also part of very funny.

519
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: Favorite music composer.

520
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: Ah, how long have we got for that?

521
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: Give me your top three?

522
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think mmm fuck, so many different categories,

523
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: but obviously like probably Hans m.

524
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Yep, he's famous for like parts of.

525
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: YEP. Historically I think maybe John Williams Star Wars, Harry Potter, Yeah, so,

526
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean historically he probably wrote some of the biggest

527
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: ones modern day producers composers, I'd probably say maybe even

528
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: like a Trent Rezner ais Ross from Nine Inch Nails.

529
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: They do a lot of movie scores as well. Or fuck.

530
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean Prince Yeah, well that isn't your nickname, little Prince,

531
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: because you look like him your way about the same day?

532
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, yeah, Prince, God, you really got me on

533
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: the spot here.

534
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Well this will lead into the next one, so hopefully

535
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: your brain's firing on the I.

536
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: Mean, like Paul McCartney, any Beatles, George Harrison.

537
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: They're not composers though, are they? Well?

538
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: I think you could call them like composers as well.

539
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Okay, favorite movie soundtrack, Ah, I'm better at this game

540
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: than you, aren't I Yeah, I love soundtracks.

541
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, how can I possibly just say one.

542
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: Because I write to soundtracks. That helps me in my manuscript,

543
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: so I'm like, it's in my brain, right.

544
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. More recently, I would definitely say

545
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: potentially maybe like The Joker, Oh, Hilda Good and the Daughter, yeah,

546
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: I think.

547
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: Which then leads into Cigario.

548
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: Cecario and then also Chernobyl incredible. I think, yeah, so dark,

549
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: I mean The Dark Knight Hans Zimmer, but then also

550
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: Inception Hans Zimmer. But then I mean just the theme

551
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: to fucking Superman.

552
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: That's John Williams.

553
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Williams. And I'm like, well that that has

554
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: to be there. Ah yeah, that's that's way, way, way

555
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: too hard to know.

556
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: You did good?

557
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Social Network? Who's that by Trent Resident Atticus Ross? Yeah?

558
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah like that.

559
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: So we were listening to the soundtracktor Once Upon a

560
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Time in Hollywood Today and that was awesome.

561
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, your questions are too hard. This

562
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: would be a whole podcast on just like movie scores.

563
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: Fave movie. I know the answer to.

564
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: This, I think favor like okay, so growing up, I

565
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: would have to say it was maybe Greece, Yes, it

566
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: was probably my favorite. I reckon I spent There was

567
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: one whole summer in particular where we watched it on repeat.

568
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: You and your sisters, my sisters and like friends of

569
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: the family, Like we're actually like on holidays down like

570
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: the coast somewhere.

571
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: And do you have a beach house in Ryde growing?

572
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah we did? Yeah, yeah, probably Greece. What I always

573
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: love the Karate Kid movie and and also another favorite

574
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: was The Three Amigos, of course, with Chevy Chase and Steve,

575
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: Martin and Martin Shaw.

576
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, who I got to meet?

577
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: You got to meet Martin Shaw. I'm a bit jealous

578
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: of that, isn't it. Martin short short, so short.

579
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, he co hosted a show that I

580
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: did a health segment on one day, and so I

581
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: got I got him to eat earthworms.

582
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: That's funny. So I probably couldn't. I can't give like

583
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: a favorite movie of all time, but growing up, they're

584
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: probably the ones that I watch the most.

585
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: What about now, like, just what's your favorite the moment?

586
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer.

587
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: To this, The Gentleman.

588
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love The Gentleman.

589
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Richie so good in the last twelve months.

590
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: I think that's probably.

591
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: Which carry which actors your favorite on that because it's

592
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: so hard to pick a favor.

593
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: No, I can't. I can't.

594
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: They're all so integral. I'm still gonna say Colin Farrell.

595
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty incredible.

596
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Great answers, favorite actor.

597
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god. These are the hardest questions ever, because

598
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: I don't watch movies like you do. I don't watch

599
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: them for actors. I don't watch them for I watch

600
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: them for sound.

601
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: And but that's okay. You love you love a Leo,

602
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: you love her?

603
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, do you know what? Right? I really

604
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: like those older female actors. So what's her name? Like

605
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: Judy Dench now that plays in Bond, she's a dame.

606
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: Like I really like watching those that.

607
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: That era of actor though, was like Sir Patrick Stewart,

608
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewart, Anthony Hopkins. That is like the Ian McAll

609
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: ye gandalfal Yeah, they're like the O G.

610
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say that I like that older

611
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: generation of of actors. So yeah, like a Judy Dench

612
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I suppose not

613
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: the typical answer for that, but.

614
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, worst kiss? Can you remember it?

615
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Worst kiss?

616
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: He remembers it all?

617
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, I've had a lot of bad on Have

618
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: you really I've had plenty of bad ones. Look, I

619
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: think I think it would have been like one when

620
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: I was I mean like probably very young, like sixteen seventeen,

621
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: Braces or yeah, probably Yeah.

622
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Did you get caught in the braces?

623
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I just remember being like a very

624
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: stiff jaw of the girl.

625
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we this is you're going to

626
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: get sew anger. I'm not so angry, you're going to laugh.

627
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: But do you remember when we were actually doing the

628
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: deed boss and your nose ring got caught on the

629
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: inside of my nose and it like blareded everything. Yeah,

630
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: way to kill a boode.

631
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: I know, Sorry about that. Now I have to take

632
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: my piercings out.

633
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: You too, don't you normally?

634
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of the time. Yeah, I think it would

635
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: have been at a very young age. Yeah, probably sixteen seventeen.

636
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember the name?

637
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: Nah? Nah?

638
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I still remember my real first bad, bad kiss, like

639
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: so bad but again Braces at the movies, realizing I

640
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: didn't like him and he just went in for the

641
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: kill and I felt so bad, and I was like, okay.

642
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everyone has a few of them. Yeah,

643
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: but trying to think nah, no, I definitely can't remember names.

644
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm bad with names anyway, I.

645
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Promise I've got some serious questions here.

646
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: But I like the funny ones. These are better.

647
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: If you could be born in any era, what would

648
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: it be?

649
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe seventies?

650
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Because you love disco and Studio fifty four. Yeah, I

651
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: thought you'd say that you just love disco, don't you. Yeah,

652
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I love disco. What's your favorite disco track?

653
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't be like one. There's no such

654
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: there's no such thing. I will I will probably put

655
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: maybe I'll talk in a bit more general terms because

656
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Speaker 2: I don't have maybe like one favorite disco track, but

657
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: I would definitely say I mean nar Rogers was a

658
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: guitarist in chic and he also produced so many amazing records,

659
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: and he played on so many amazing records. So anything

660
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: that maybe Nil Rogers did Georgia Marauder, so he and

661
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: he produced Donna Summer I Feel Love, which was a

662
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: very very classic, you know, disco record. I've been listening

663
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: to a lot of like change, like Luther Van Ross lately. Yeah. Anyway,

664
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: so yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't say favorite disco record,

665
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: but they're like maybe two.

666
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: But you love the you love the whole studio fifty four?

667
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you like I mean, incredible music, dancing all night,

668
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: drug sex, probably a little bit of nudity, you know,

669
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: sign you up sexual fluidity.

670
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

671
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think. I think it was a

672
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: time that people just started letting go and enjoying the music.

673
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: And disco music turned into house music, which is pretty

674
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: much you know what my life is, and inspired me

675
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: to be a producer and a writer.

676
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: And what was the song we were listening to last

677
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: weekend when I got really drunken spewed? I don't remember

678
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: the White Horse song?

679
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, if You're burn That was like eighties, so

680
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: that was just, you know, just passed like that disco.

681
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: I love how you had no reaction when I said

682
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: I got really drunk and spewed.

683
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: Ah, you're not the first girlfriend to get drunk. And

684
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: I hadn't eaten enough, boss, I hadn't et enough at all. Yeah,

685
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: that's bad, bad.

686
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: Next question, if I gave you one hundred bucks right now,

687
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: what would you do with it?

688
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Hundred bucks? Probably buy you something with it? Would you? Yeah,

689
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: buy a record? Or nah? I don't know. I money

690
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: is just energy comes and goes.

691
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I taught you that.

692
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: I've always known that, Okay, Okay, Yeah, I would definitely,

693
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: I'd probably buy you something. I feel very guilty in

694
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 2: receiving money from people, do you. Yeah, it's a weird.

695
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: I'm bad at receiving gifts, receiving money like okay, yeah,

696
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: that's fair. So yeah, I'd probably look at it as

697
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: I will spend that money back on you. If you

698
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: gave me one hundred dollars, what.

699
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: About fifty to fifty? Nah, or me a bunch of tulips. Yeah,

700
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I do something we can enjoy together. Yeah,

701
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: book a massage together, book a massage something like that's

702
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: not nice.

703
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 2: That's nice.

704
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: Okay. So I do have some of the same questions

705
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: as you. Just y, I didn't copy. They're on my notes.

706
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: That's biggest gift adviso, biggest gift of ice. So I

707
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: think number one has been healing. Mm hmm. It's given

708
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: me the time to I think, rest, reset, reset, and

709
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: obviously rest my nervous system quite a lot. So obviously,

710
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: you know, I do struggle with anxiety at times, and

711
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: this has just really removed a lot of those external

712
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: factors that trigger it as really just allowed my body

713
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: to kind of heal and get back to a nice

714
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: little homeostasis. Yes, which has been I think my biggest gift,

715
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: but yeah, time, you know, peace calm, although that's mixed

716
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: in with fear about Corona. The general feeling is that

717
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: I am and.

718
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: It's forced us into living together for the first time.

719
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which has been noise.

720
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been six months, probably longer, yeah, maybe more.

721
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, ween, Yeah, it's been my biggest gift, but yeah,

722
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: time patients focus all that kind of stuff.

723
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: And how does thirty five feel?

724
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: Feels fine, feels no different. I don't feel thirty five.

725
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: I don't even feel thirty. I feel like a child still.

726
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: On our first date, he's like, I look like I'm

727
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: like twenty seven.

728
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: Donot Like three people this week have still said They're like,

729
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: you definitely don't look thirty five, and I'm like, well,

730
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: thank you.

731
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm so self self deprecating. I'm like, oh look, shit,

732
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: bus well.

733
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: I did a podcast. My old high school teacher like

734
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: hit me up on Instagram and was like, do you

735
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: want to come on my podcast? And I was like, yeah,

736
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: for sure, and he even said he goes you still,

737
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: you know, and he was my homeroom teacher for years

738
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: in school, and you know, we did remain in contact

739
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 2: a couple of years pro school and then obviously lost

740
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: contact over the last I suppose ten. But he's like,

741
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: you still look young. He goes, you're still look you know,

742
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: you're in your mid mid twenties.

743
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh, what a gift.

744
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: I know, a bit of a beardo today in long hair.

745
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, I don't feel I don't feel

746
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: thirty five. I definitely don't feel Yeah, I suppose adult enough.

747
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Yes, so whereas I feel like turning thirty five, there's

748
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: a bit there's a bit of pressure to be adult,

749
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: but you don't have that obviously.

750
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: I feel the pressure, but I don't really give a

751
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: fuck anymore.

752
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I have this weird thing in my mind. I feel

753
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: like thirty seven. You're like, yes, I've nailed. Like I

754
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: think something happens at thirty seven. I think thirty five

755
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: is like oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god,

756
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: oh god. Oh got like, oh my goodness, I'm not

757
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: my young thirties. I'm not early thirties anymore. Because early

758
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: thirties you still can kind of like go under the

759
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: guise of I'm sorting shit out. I think you're sorting

760
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: a shit out your whole life.

761
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, yeah, I think I think for

762
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: like music world, produce a world and stuff like that.

763
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I think that it's okay to be in those mid

764
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: to later thirties, and I think that's where it mostly happens.

765
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: Well, even at drama school researching writers like I'll do

766
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: a play and most of the writers all make it

767
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: in their late thirties. Yeah, so they will struggle, struggle,

768
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: struggle from early twenties. I think it's a creatives thing.

769
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: I think Hugh Jackman got his first big role late thirty. Like,

771
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: I think it's not creatives. It's almost like to be

772
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: a good creative you need life experience, Yeah, you do.

773
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: You need to understand yourself. You need to be able

774
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: to walk into a room and know that you are

775
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: meant to be there and you've got to get through

776
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: all your insecurity to get to that spot. And it's

777
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: just not going to happen in your twenties. And yeah,

778
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: most I think Tennessee Williams wrote Streetcar named Desire, which

779
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: is arguably one of his most famous successful players of

780
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: all time.

781
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: I think he was late thirties. Yeah, I think the

782
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: ones that make it in their twenties don't get past

783
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: their twenties and they kind of just fade out or

784
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: maybe do other things or give up and you know,

785
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: make a big chunk of money in their twenties and

786
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: then just never do anything else, but then run out

787
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: of money and then have to go back to some

788
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: sort of I will.

789
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: Say, in my twenties, I bought out a best selling book,

790
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: and then I had a couple of books that were shit,

791
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: not shit, beautiful books, but didn't sell well. And so

792
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: in my mind, you know, me, very a type were

793
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: failures in the selling and financial sense and inshutively, even me,

794
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, it feels right to be working on a book,

795
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: taking three years off by the time this next book

796
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: comes out, and then bringing a book out and like

797
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: standing the test of time and writing a completely different topic.

798
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: It feels intuitively like, oh yeah, I had to get

799
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: through that time of being the same as everyone else

800
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: and not selling loads of books and being a best seller.

801
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: I had to get through that uncomfortable time of not

802
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: being the most popular olthrider in the world. Does that

803
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: make sense?

804
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: World Australia. That's goad.

805
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: Biggest regret.

806
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: I've actually been thinking about this a lot, to be honest.

807
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, not putting a ring on it sooner with Lola

808
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: joking joking, biggest regret.

809
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: I have been thinking about this a lot, And if

810
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: maybe you would have asked me a couple of years ago,

811
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: I would have given you a big long list of things.

812
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: But genuinely, I don't have any regrets now, And you know,

813
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: I was even thinking about it of you know, some

814
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: like Instagram memories came up and you know, obviously triggered

815
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: memories of like my ex girlfriend, ex relationships, relationships, and

816
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, I almost started thinking I should have ended

817
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: those relationships sooner, or I shouldn't have been so upset,

818
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, over arguments or been affected by that person.

819
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: But then I look at my life now with you

820
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: being in talkie, and I know that I wouldn't have

821
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: had this if I didn't experience that, So I don't

822
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: regret any of that.

823
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Same with me. I totally know what you mean. And

824
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: I actually had this discussion in my therapist when I

825
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: was freaking out about age, and I was like, I

826
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: don't have any regrets in my life and I love

827
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: living this way yeah, and I don't. But I also

828
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: don't want to look back at say forty five and

829
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: not be able to have a kid because I've waited

830
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: too late. Now, I was like, I don't want to

831
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: have that regret, and he's like, let's calm the f down, Lawla.

832
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: And I think it's a super power to not have regrets,

833
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: live your life to your values, to take the failures

834
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: as amazing gifts. Like I was just saying about the books,

835
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: how good that they didn't do so well, because it's

836
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: allowed me to be so grateful for this opportunity and

837
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: to give it my all, like not get complacent. Same

838
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: with you with relationships, Like, yes, you were in some

839
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: toxic relationships as was I, but there've been these wonderful

840
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: gifts that have probably taught you so much about yourself.

841
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: They led you to therapy, led me to therapy.

842
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think just like another point on

843
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: that as well, is not that I don't have regrets

844
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: of not doing it younger, but I do think back

845
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: and I was like, and I think, oh, fuck, I

846
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: really should have worked harder, or I should have learned

847
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: more or spent more time doing this or that or

848
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: making music or whatever. It is, And yes, I would

849
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: tell my younger self, go work harder, put more of

850
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: yourself into it. But at the same time, I don't

851
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: think I would have been ready then. I don't think

852
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: I would have had the intelligence or the emotional intelligence

853
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: to do it at a younger age. So again, I

854
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: am sort of kind of grateful that I, you know,

855
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: went on that journey and ended up where I am now.

856
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, totally, totally like and if I think, imagine

857
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: if you were twenty one and someone's like, work harder,

858
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: you'd be.

859
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, get ft. Yeah I wasn't like at twenty one. Look,

860
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 2: I was always a hard worker. I was you know,

861
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: always doing shit. I was always out, I was always

862
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: in the studio, I was always working. But yeah, my

863
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: priorities weren't one hundred percent.

864
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: But how good that you had. Like I always say

865
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: to people, I'm so glad that I had my party face. Yeah,

866
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: so glad that because that party phase is when I

867
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: learned makeup artistry. It was that time when I learned

868
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: to love music. Even though I was a shocking DJ,

869
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: I fell in love with music and realized that that

870
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: was also something that like, that's a passion that is

871
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: of yours, but I can appreciate it so much as well,

872
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: like these all And if I wasn't partying, I would

873
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: have been djaying, do you know what I mean? Like,

874
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I think all these things along the way are wonderful gifts,

875
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: and it's interesting when you look back, you can almost

876
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: clink them together. Yeah, and they've helped you, like used

877
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: to be a really heavy smoker. So you obviously have

878
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: that addictive behavior personality, as do I with my eating

879
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: disorder history. But also that same addictive behavior is the

880
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: drive that you need for your work.

881
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So it's just a sessive addictive.

882
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we both have, I believe.

883
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: Mind you, I haven't smoked for over three years. Congratulate.

884
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: I've never seen you smoke.

885
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ever, well, I had a memory today on my

886
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: Instagram and that was three years, like three years ago,

887
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: and I wasn't smoking then, So I think that I

888
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: And that was September twenty seventeen, and I think I

889
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 2: must have quit in like April or May.

890
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: Didn't you go to America and then come back and

891
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: fully quit?

892
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

893
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: So you went for Coachella that year, which is always April,

894
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: isn't it?

895
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.

896
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, as soon as you got back, I think

897
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: you went cold Turkey, didn't you.

898
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Well I was cutting down before, yeah, because I was

899
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: freaking out about not being able to smoke for fourteen

900
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: hours on the plane. Yeah, so I like, purposely, would

901
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, get up and not smoke and go for

902
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: a run and delay that first cigarette for as long

903
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: as possible? Yeah, and then yeah, so by the time

904
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: I kind of got back, yeah, it was definitely a

905
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: little bit easier. But yeah, I went cold Turkey when

906
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: I got back.

907
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: Yes, So it'd be from may be well over three years.

908
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: I love the question you asked me about a woman

909
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: that's thirty five, you know, wanting some guidance, What would

910
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: you give it to a man who's thirty five and

911
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: maybe needs a little bit of support or as you

912
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: use the word hopelessness, like they're feeling hopeless, Like, what

913
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: advice would you give?

914
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: First of all, I'll say, drop the expectation. So being

915
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: a man, we have our own expectations, you know, to

916
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: be the provider, to be the father figure, to you know,

917
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: have our shit together, provide for a woman, provide for

918
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: a family like these old antiquated kind of did equator

919
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: like that was, you know that we were brought up with.

920
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, our fathers went to work, our mothers stayed home.

921
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: Obviously not every family, of generalizing, but your family though

922
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 2: my family, and I would say, to be honest, ninety

923
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: percent of my friends that I grew up.

924
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: With really not mine.

925
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I would say that majority of my friends and

926
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: family for a certain amount of time, you know, their

927
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: fathers worked and their mothers stayed home.

928
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: And your sisters are doing that with they're doing.

929
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 2: That yeah, I mean still got babies. Yeah, so, but yeah,

930
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: so I would say, for a man, drop that expectation.

931
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: You don't need to be you know, you don't need

932
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: to be married, you don't need to be in a relationship,

933
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: you don't need to do anything. You can still be

934
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: discovering your career or working on your dream or starting

935
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: a new business. And if you do meet somebody, great,

936
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: you know, but don't base your whole life on that.

937
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: You know. Definitely when I met you, I wasn't I

938
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: wasn't looking for a relationship. I wasn't looking for a person.

939
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't two fold bus Yeah, I know, but you know,

940
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: but I was really at that point where I was like,

941
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on myself and anyone that comes along needs

942
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: to fit into my trajectory, you know, and same for me,

943
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: I need to fit in with their trajectory and whatever

944
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: they want to do. So yeah, you kind of fit

945
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: into you know, mine, where we don't have that life

946
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: of hey, We're going to be together for two years

947
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to propose, and then you know,

948
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: we're going to get married and then you know, a

949
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: year later we're going to have our first kid. Like never,

950
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm never going to do that. That's not going to

951
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: be my life and it's not going to be yours,

952
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: And just yet be okay with that that If your

953
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: life looks a little bit different, then that's that's totally fine.

954
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think as a male, we have our

955
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: own set of pressures and expectations and I think just

956
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: let them go. Be okay with your feelings and emotions.

957
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: You know, we're not these like rigid robots anymore that

958
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, males were. You can have feelings, you can cry,

959
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: you can you know, nuzzle into your partners, you know,

960
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: nook and just be like, I feel fucking shit today,

961
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 2: and just you know, it's okay to have a therapist

962
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: it's okay to talk about your feelings. And if you

963
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: talk about your feelings with your mates, your male friends,

964
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: you will find that they will open up about theirs,

965
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: and you'll know that you're not alone and that you

966
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: can all talk about, you know, your struggles, because yeah,

967
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean even my best friends. You know, when I

968
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: started really like two years ago, when I had like

969
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: that proper episode of panic and anxiety and all that

970
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. You know, once I open up to

971
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 2: all my friends about that, you know, they were able

972
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: to open up about their own struggles with their own

973
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: mental health. And yeah, I really enjoyed that, and it

974
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: brought me quite closer to my friends, and I suppose

975
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 2: to help them in a way.

976
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: And I think, Boss, we're both answering that question about

977
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: advice to someone aboutur age coming from the perspective of

978
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: two creatives that have made a very clear choice to

979
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: chase our dreams and that that is like the thing

980
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: that lights us up and feels like it ignites our hearts.

981
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: And so we've chosen to chase that a lot of

982
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: people don't. And that's also okay, yeah, of course, but yeah,

983
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: that that's why for us we've had to process that

984
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: we've picked out dreams to focus on that and then

985
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: push building a family back to a little bit later.

986
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: But we've also had very clear discussions and open, honest

987
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: conversations about that as well. To get to this stage

988
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: of going we are going to not live to the

989
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: status quo. We're not going to be doing what society

990
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: expects us to be doing. Like even we joke, I

991
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: wind boss up and be like, do you want to

992
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: marry me? And we're like, we would, both of us

993
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: say it'd be like barefoot in a forest or barefought

994
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: in Byron Bay, and like twenty people like I think,

995
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: I think you and I we're not the norm, and

996
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: I love that about us, and I love that about you.

997
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's good that you spoke to that.

998
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: And I think the only reason why I've really been

999
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: able to navigate these last six months is because of

1000
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: the work that I have done on myself. Yeah, in

1001
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: the last couple of.

1002
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: Years pays off. It's life changing.

1003
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And you don't know what life is going

1004
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: to throw at you, so do the work now because

1005
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: at some point in life, like life does throw some

1006
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: shit at you. Yeah, you know, it's it is inevitable

1007
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: that something is going to happen in your life that

1008
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: you will have to face and deal with, so you

1009
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: might as well do the pre work instead of getting

1010
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: fucked up and doing you know, having to then go

1011
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: and deal with it and all that kind of shit.

1012
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: This is going to sound like a really weird analogy

1013
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: to give, but I remember when I was eighteen, and

1014
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: this is a Wendy Life quote. She bought me my

1015
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: first car. Harriet was my first car when I was eighteen.

1016
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: It was a bronze nineteen eighty five Hundre Record and

1017
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: she said, I'm giving you this car. The insurance is

1018
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: going to run out pretty soon, though that's your only responsibility,

1019
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: and of course, being an egotistical eighteen year old, I

1020
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: forgot to renew my insurance and it was just third party.

1021
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: It was just to cover if anyway. Course, lo and behold.

1022
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: I was in a three car smash and although I

1023
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: wasn't at fault, I still had to go to legal

1024
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: aid because the driver that was at fault tried to

1025
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: blame me and we hit a big Telstravan So any

1026
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: big company like that is big dollars and I had

1027
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: to go to mums like Mum said to me, you're

1028
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: on your own, and so I had to go to

1029
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: legal Aid. I remember I got a train out to

1030
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: spring Vale, sat down Legal Aid Center and they were

1031
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: really wonderful and really I still had to pay a

1032
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: shit ton of money at that age and borrow money

1033
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: and what not to pay it all off. But they

1034
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: lessened it for me dramatically. And Mum said to me,

1035
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: it's not a matter of if you have a car crash.

1036
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: It's a matter of when you need to have insurance.

1037
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: And I feel like to put it into a good

1038
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: analogy for therapy. It's not a matter of if something

1039
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: shit's going to happen to me, it's a matter of

1040
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: when and if you're doing the therapy, it's like the insurance.

1041
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: You're covering yourself and preparing yourself for when that hiccup,

1042
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: that life hiccup happens, so that you can kind of go, oh,

1043
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: this feels really shit. Let me process it, because I've

1044
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: on the psychological work to be able to get through

1045
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: this and not let it break me.

1046
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love it. Yeah.

1047
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: My final question for you is if you could look

1048
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: into a crystal ball five years from now, how does

1049
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: that feel look? How could. I mean, we obviously don't

1050
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: know the answer to it, but how is it a Grammy?

1051
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: Maybe start with an Aria.

1052
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: An Aria grammy. I think you do a music a

1053
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: movie score.

1054
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: I think I will.

1055
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: I think you would create a beautiful When we first

1056
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: started dating, dumb you made that amazing like sigur Ross

1057
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: inspired song that you called Lola. Yeah, and then you

1058
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: gave it to another girl, Influenzer for some other Yeah.

1059
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: You never let me your song, but that had that

1060
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: kind of music score feel to it, movie score. Sorry,

1061
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: I keep saying music.

1062
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'd love to do that. I've got

1063
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: I mean, still so many dreams and things that I

1064
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: want to do, still so much music to write. I'm

1065
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: not so really worried about what it looks like because

1066
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: I think it would just pan out as long as

1067
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 2: I'm happy. I think that's with the LB. With the LB,

1068
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: of course. Yeah, that's the only real thing that I'm

1069
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: you know, I'm worried about is just as long as

1070
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: I'm happy and healthy and feeling good. I think that's

1071
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: the That's the main thing, you know. I think I've

1072
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: spent too many years feeling like shit or putting this

1073
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: pressure on myself for whatever it is, or being disappointed

1074
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: if I haven't, you know, hit that certain goal at

1075
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: that certain time. Yeah. So I think that the next

1076
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: five years would just be yeah, just me still writing, producing.

1077
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: I'd love to do a movie. I'd love to do

1078
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: like a big, you know, big production of even TV

1079
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: show something like that.

1080
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we'll just wait for me

1081
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: to get my big break on TV or a film,

1082
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: and you can do their score.

1083
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: It'd have to be something dark though, you know my

1084
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: music's pretty dark. Oh, this is true. And just keep

1085
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: keep writing producing. That's working on our ten other fucking

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: businesses that I know. We do all the behind the

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00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: scenes for MVP.

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00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: For Lolla, coffee, for the pod. We're entering the podcast

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Speaker 1: towards after this, aren't we. Yeah, yeah, editing all.

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00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: Day, editing, So yeah, keeps for fucking editing. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: five years, maybe living in Australia, maybe living overseas. Maybe

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00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: few animals, a few animals, I'd love animals, a bit

1093
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Speaker 2: of a fun.

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00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: We both I think we both have the long goal

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: of kind of living that farm retreaty, a living off

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: the land kind of vibe somewhere in the world. And

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00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: we're both at the moment. We both romanticize Barron Bay

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, so I think we've got to get

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00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: a bit of Byron Bay into our system sooner rather

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Speaker 1: than later.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love the city gone out, I love

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00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: doing stuff, being amongst it, but I want to be

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00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: able to retreat to somewhere in the world and just

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00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: switch off for a little bit. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We've said it would be really cool to have two homes,

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00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: like a nature home.

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00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: I want like a doomsday bunker.

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00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, Here we go. You love the

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00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: concept of a doomsday bunker.

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00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: I've thought about this, so I've thought about funding it. Right,

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00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: So what we'd do is we get like, say, ten

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00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: of our wealthy friends. Yeah, and we'll sell like a

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: spot in our doomsday bunker to them. So we'll say

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00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and fifty thousand each, and then you know,

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00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: we've got one and a half million dollars to build

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00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: this doomsday bunker that fits like, you know, a dozen

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: people or something.

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Speaker 1: It's very smart.

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00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: That's smart.

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Speaker 1: Matt also loves zombie apocalypse shows, don't you.

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: I think that's why I want to do Stay.

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Boss. That's the end of our pollet.

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Speaker 2: That's the end how long was that?

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00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: Fifty eight minus?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Perfect?

1126
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: So I never say this on the pod, So I'm

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: going to use this opportunity. Can you please subscribe? What

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00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: else are they going to do?

1129
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: Leave a comment?

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00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: Leave a comment in the five stars?

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1132
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: Didn't we get a star saying like one star? Lola's

1133
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: voice is annoying?

1134
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1135
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got that.

1136
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: There's always there's always one person that's I know that.

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00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: I remember in the first episodes. I think because I

1138
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: was a bit nervous, I would say like a lot, yeah,

1139
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people do when they get nervous.

1140
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: They use their joining word, like like or some sort

1141
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: of joining word when they get nervous or they get

1142
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: a bit of brain freeze.

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00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: I got so nervous last week.

1144
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: Movie Here we go. Lola walks out of the podcast,

1145
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are you a little bit red and flustered?

1146
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: Can we say the story? Because it's coming out? So

1147
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: this will come out in season six. This episode that

1148
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: we're recording right now comes out next Monday for our birthday.

1149
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: So this is like what episode six or seven of

1150
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: season so a little bit ahead of the recording game.

1151
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Because of lockdown, we're able to record a lot on

1152
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: Zoom and so we got this wonderful, talented Australian actor

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01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: Joel Jackson.

1154
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: On the Pod and very good looking man.

1155
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: Incredibly attractive and so much fun to research. He's been

1156
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: in so different movies and his one Logiward Actor Award,

1157
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: extremely accomplished. I think he's like twenty eight or twenty

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: nine years old, like so talented, and I was I

1159
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't expect him to be so humble. Yeah, like an

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: absolute legend, and I was definitely getting flustered. I was like,

1161
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this person's so kindness gets me. Yeah,

1162
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: someone is kind. I'm like, you've just gone up ten

1163
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: notches in my book. Yeah, And he was so freakin

1164
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: kind And.

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01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: I give you shit, but I know that it came

1166
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: from a place that you'd met someone and interviewed someone

1167
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: that was a really genuine person and a really genuine human.

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: I've been him and I messaging on Instagram.

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01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: I am officially jealous. What's going on?

1170
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: Just talking about like movie documentaries and podcast like music

1171
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: podcasts and stuff like that.

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01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: So shout out to Joel Jackson, new legend. He will

1173
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: be on season six of the Pod and he is

1174
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: also an ambassador of Polish Man, which I am as well.

1175
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: There's also a link in my instabio if you want

1176
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: to get behind.

1177
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: I put in the show notes as well.

1178
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's all about ending violence against children and

1179
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: it affects over a billion kids a year, which is

1180
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: over half the kids in the world.

1181
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Too high, bust, too high.

1182
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: So they're wonderful. It's been going on for you. It's

1183
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: part of wy Gap as well. And this is my

1184
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: first proper year.

1185
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: I've done little bits with them when I was an

1187
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: ambassador for Grilled, but I've never actually become a proper ambassador.

1188
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: So this is really exciting.

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01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: I met Alex Castello like years ago. You've gone to

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: a lot of his events. He's great.

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01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great, Yes, So there we go. That's it,

1192
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: big love, Happy birthday, bus Habby Birthday. I love that

1193
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: we're spending our birthdays together.

1194
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: I do too. I'm not disappointed at all.

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: I love you.

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01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: I love you too. Bye bye.

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01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. This potty my word

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

1201
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, rate and comment, and of

1202
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: course spread the love.