Speaker 1: This is Flex and Frooms Flex.
Speaker 2: And Frooms Podcast Edition Daily might I add.
Speaker 3: Doesn't get better than this. I just want to add
Speaker 3: a disclaimer right up the top. If you're listening to this,
Speaker 3: if you're listening to us for the first time, I
Speaker 3: just want to say, I'm Frooms, I'm Flex and Today's
Speaker 3: episode was a trying time for me. Why is that
Speaker 3: because Aliens? I attempted to tell a story about a
Speaker 3: woman with the last name Stoner?
Speaker 2: Is that giving Away attempted to debunk Aliens and failed
Speaker 2: miserably because it felt like you read that story for
Speaker 2: the first time, like you googled an article, picked anything,
Speaker 2: took a week, screenshot and just went with it. It
Speaker 2: was as a surprise to you as it was to us.
Speaker 3: The point of the story is, never try to relate
Speaker 3: to your co host speaking Elaine, talk about farts, go home,
Speaker 3: don't ever try and get better. No, we talked about aliens.
Speaker 3: Flex and I had a little bit of a sparring
Speaker 3: about whether or not aliens. Have we ever sparred? I
Speaker 3: feel like we spa every day. I'm just a defensive,
Speaker 3: negative person. No, you're not. That's what I wanted you
Speaker 3: to say. It was a set up anyway, stay right there.
Speaker 3: I really.
Speaker 2: Keeps doing this thing when she says stick around, but
Speaker 2: like sixteen times per episode.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like it's just started this week. I wasn't
Speaker 3: doing it before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there were breaks between it.
Speaker 3: We need to have a little list that we put
Speaker 3: on the backscreens. Yeah, we all have our crutches. We
Speaker 3: have heaps of crutches. For a while there, you were saying,
Speaker 3: here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing, one thing about me. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then you got to you got to pick it up.
Speaker 2: This was on picks it up for you. No, I
Speaker 2: want you to pick it up next time. None of this,
Speaker 2: learn it yourself. Let's go flex and frooms. I was
Speaker 2: scrolling on Reddit and there was this post made a
Speaker 2: day ago says, what's a modern day scam that's become
Speaker 2: normalized and we don't realize it to scam anymore. I'm
Speaker 2: thank you. Okay, this has got good engagement fifty three
Speaker 2: thousand up votes. Let's get into it. First thing off top,
Speaker 2: what comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Are tipping tipping green?
Speaker 2: Missy says, no, you get paid a living wage, just
Speaker 2: labor for free. Mine is paying for water. Oh, like,
Speaker 2: why I gotta do that. I get the labor of
Speaker 2: like getting the water, putting it in the bottle.
Speaker 3: We should definitely be paying for that getting.
Speaker 2: It to the supermarket or the petrol station. But the
Speaker 2: fact that we just don't have bubblers everye hundred meters
Speaker 2: it ain't right for him.
Speaker 3: No, and my last.
Speaker 2: Place and this place i'm living in now, something about
Speaker 2: the pipes means the water is so bad. I'm just
Speaker 2: living on bottled water.
Speaker 3: Oh, the water tastes bad. The water tastes bad. You're
Speaker 3: in it like a cosmopolitan area. The rooms not cheap exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm like, something's off.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was just me being particular or
Speaker 2: a picky, but every time I have people over, I'm like,
Speaker 2: taste this water, like, yeah, no, it's gross.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like there's something in the tank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a ton of things. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3: Though. What else does a scam? Oh, a scam is
Speaker 3: having to pay for sauce in McDonald's. Why was it
Speaker 3: a scam? Because why should I be paying for sauce?
Speaker 2: Why should be paying for the burgers?
Speaker 3: Oh? Give me some of them all, Okay.
Speaker 2: Not being able to cancel a subscription online. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: one hit home.
Speaker 3: New York Times blacklisted the fact.
Speaker 2: That everything is a sneaky small monthly subscription. I thought
Speaker 2: about this because when I was trying to buy a house,
Speaker 2: I had to look at my transactions to figure out
Speaker 2: how much money I was spending, what was going in
Speaker 2: was coming out, and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what I said money on, maybe like food, petrol, clothes,
Speaker 2: all these tiny transactions, these mobile games that I've downloaded,
Speaker 2: it that I've paid for, or that take a subscription Netflix, Hey,
Speaker 2: you san all of these things small, small, small, small payments,
Speaker 2: and before you know it, that's like three hundred dollars
Speaker 2: gone for things that I feel like I'm not actively
Speaker 2: using enough to justify it.
Speaker 3: Adobe realize the other day seventy six dollars a month,
Speaker 3: haven't opened that fine in six months? What am I doing?
Speaker 2: Buying tech devices for premium prices and still having to
Speaker 2: pay subscriptions to make them actually do what they're supposed
Speaker 2: to do? Me and my Kindle. I bought a kindle
Speaker 2: that's like a thing where you can read, like a
Speaker 2: tablet where you read digital books. So I bought that
Speaker 2: for two hundred and something dollars maybe it's meant to
Speaker 2: have Wi Fi. I was like, this is great, Like
Speaker 2: what we do with this? I get the Kindle? You
Speaker 2: got to buy all the books?
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 2: Then I got Kindle Unlimited, which is essentially a library.
Speaker 2: I pay twelve dollars a month for it, and that
Speaker 2: means I can borrow unlimited books. But is it unlimited
Speaker 2: when I'm paying for it?
Speaker 1: So this is what the Kindle was for?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I thought the books would be inex anyway to fee?
Speaker 2: What about transaction fees when using online banking?
Speaker 3: Discussing shut it off neo banks, we have the new cryptocurrency.
Speaker 3: Can do it? You can do it?
Speaker 2: Someone said, unpaid internships.
Speaker 3: No, I'm all for that.
Speaker 2: We're from unpaid internship culture. Though, when people ask me
Speaker 2: like what I found to be perhaps most helpful with
Speaker 2: working in media, it was all the unpaid internships I
Speaker 2: did where I felt like I was able to extract
Speaker 2: so much value without really giving much in return. Like
Speaker 2: you just show up, people give you grunt work like
Speaker 2: pack this pr box, and yes you should be paid
Speaker 2: for your labor. But all the information I gathered just
Speaker 2: to be able to sit in rooms, yeah, I felt
Speaker 2: like I scam them. Maybe that's what capitalism wants me
Speaker 2: to think. Anything else off the dome.
Speaker 3: I feel like the real scams are things that you
Speaker 3: don't realize until it's too late. A lah Adobe.
Speaker 2: Subscription, having to pay for thoo that grows out of
Speaker 2: the ground, fritten veggies and it's pricey too that I
Speaker 2: don't get. And again, let's pay for the labor, but
Speaker 2: the physical veggie, it was already gonna be there.
Speaker 3: I guess it just sounds like you want to be
Speaker 3: born in a different time.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here where we're at, but it
Speaker 2: could be different right now, Like if we all were
Speaker 2: a bit more self sustaining and had our own farms,
Speaker 2: we could just go pick a tomato at the back,
Speaker 2: pick ahead of lettuce.
Speaker 3: That's what your subscriptions for Farmville.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: If there's one thing to know about my co host
Speaker 3: sitting over there in the orange pants and the dojer
Speaker 3: Cat printed graphic tea that she made herself I did,
Speaker 3: and the bland Siaga crocs. Yeah, it's that Flex has
Speaker 3: a overwhelming interest. I say it would special interest, special interests,
Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory interests, and that is around aliens. Flex
Speaker 3: is convinced that aliens exist. Oh, abs, let me not,
Speaker 3: Let me not. I am more on the fence. You're
Speaker 3: a denier. I haven't seen proof anyway. Because I'm trying
Speaker 3: to get prepared for the show, I'm trying to find
Speaker 3: ways to relate to you. I thought I'm going to
Speaker 3: find an alien story on the internet. That's sweet, thank you.
Speaker 3: And the first one that I found was rather serendipitous,
Speaker 3: and I think it proved my point that aliens don't exist.
Speaker 3: Some imp trying to read it out for you. You
Speaker 3: tell me if you still believe after this. Denise Stoner
Speaker 3: was two and a half years old the first time
Speaker 3: she remembers an alien taking it. She was at home
Speaker 3: in Hartford with her grandfather. Her mother was at the
Speaker 3: hospital giving birth to her younger sister. She remembers staring
Speaker 3: out at a large picture window seeing an egg shaped
Speaker 3: object in the sky offering above some power lines. What's
Speaker 3: Humpty Dumpty doing up in the sky, she asked. She
Speaker 3: remembers a few in her grandfather's face when he suggested
Speaker 3: it was time for bed. Later that night, as she
Speaker 3: lay staring at her nursery rhyme themed wallpaper, an entity
Speaker 3: walked through her wall. He looks like a monk. He
Speaker 3: had a robe and he was carrying a light. I
Speaker 3: wasn't afraid of him, she said. He put out his
Speaker 3: other hand for me to take it, and I did.
Speaker 3: We walked out into the hallway. The alien pointed his
Speaker 3: light at the wall. They disappeared through it. Since then,
Speaker 3: she says, it has taken more than fifty times from
Speaker 3: her home, the streaked her car, and the last time
Speaker 3: only three years ago, driving through the mountains of Colorado.
Speaker 3: He just looks like a typical gray alien, but he's
Speaker 3: one of the tall ones, just a very subtle shape
Speaker 3: of the face his She is a little.
Speaker 1: That's the ship I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Listened to that.
Speaker 2: I just still believe that aliens what's going on?
Speaker 3: And that's the evidence you bought. I just want to
Speaker 3: get to the bottom of the alien thing with you,
Speaker 3: because you seem to talk about them constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to get to the bottom of
Speaker 2: how are you going to dispute it? And bring the
Speaker 2: first person account of a random child from the seventies. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I need to understand how to dispute the fact
Speaker 2: that aliens exist. You've bought this firsthand RinkyDink account of
Speaker 2: some child in the seventies internalizing et and think it
Speaker 2: was their own personal truth.
Speaker 3: My thing with aliens flex is that there's so much
Speaker 3: an earth that we have not yet found. Why are
Speaker 3: we wasting time trying to find aliens. It's like a
Speaker 3: boy that doesn't like you, stop chasing. If he wanted you,
Speaker 3: he'd be here already. Aliens, if they are so great,
Speaker 3: have the technology to come and find us? Do they
Speaker 3: find us? Only see find the crazy people suggested that.
Speaker 2: So your hypothesis is that we should not seek out information.
Speaker 2: We should wait till information reveals itself. Probably so for
Speaker 2: any health issue, any greater understanding of the world, any
Speaker 2: recipe which just wait till it reveals itself in front
Speaker 2: of us, it should just manifest.
Speaker 3: Some would say seek out answers. It's a Catholic type approach.
Speaker 3: Do you have some Catholic blood in me? What do
Speaker 3: you get out of knowing that aliens exist?
Speaker 2: My priority is believing that more things exist than we understand.
Speaker 2: I think it's very closed minded to shut down something
Speaker 2: and we have no proof evil way.
Speaker 3: So do you take that same approach with God? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like so much of what exists in the world I
Speaker 2: will never experience, have not ever experienced. So I think
Speaker 2: it's a bit bullish to deny it completely. Like, for example,
Speaker 2: you know how when I could walk into a room
Speaker 2: and say, oh, I had a really bad experience at
Speaker 2: a certain bar and I was attacked, and so I
Speaker 2: might be like, oh, my god, like I always have
Speaker 2: a great time there, Okay, I'm telling you what I know.
Speaker 2: Or let's say we've both never been to this bar,
Speaker 2: but I've heard terrible things. You've heard great things. Why
Speaker 2: can't they just both be true. Me saying that something
Speaker 2: could exist, it's not saying that it doesn't exist for you.
Speaker 2: It's just saying in my world, in my reality, that
Speaker 2: possibility seems plausible. But what I think about denying something
Speaker 2: is that if we had visual confirmation of everything that
Speaker 2: was possible, then I would totally understand when someoneould be like,
Speaker 2: I don't believe it because everything else that is true
Speaker 2: in the world I've seen, but we don't have visual
Speaker 2: confirmation of so much stuff that we believe.
Speaker 3: What are some other examples, like love that's.
Speaker 2: Just a concept that we've all written poetry about, and
Speaker 2: like reverse engineered chemical shit that happens.
Speaker 3: That's just the theory facts. It is chemicals, isn't it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like this is what happens.
Speaker 2: Is it just attachment, it's just obsession, Like it's just
Speaker 2: my special interest for the day.
Speaker 3: How I know I love them.
Speaker 2: We've just like collectively agreed in this delusion like breakfast,
Speaker 2: this idea that you should be eating this meal first
Speaker 2: thing in the morning. But if it's morning here and
Speaker 2: nighttime in Ghana, then isn't.
Speaker 3: That theory debunked? M No, it isn't.
Speaker 2: We've just managed to understand that two things can be true.
Speaker 2: It is morning here, nighttime there. Knowing both doesn't cancel.
Speaker 3: Out each other.
Speaker 2: They both can exist. So my thing with aliens is
Speaker 2: that I like this idea of conceptualizing that there is
Speaker 2: so much greater than what I don't understand, and that
Speaker 2: is interesting to me. My life doesn't change either way,
Speaker 2: but I do think that a lack of openness around
Speaker 2: the concept of believing in things you can't experience.
Speaker 3: I can't do that shit. But I also was raised religious,
Speaker 3: so like, hmm, you know you being raised religious would
Speaker 3: make me think you would be more like I am.
Speaker 2: Well, raise religious in the sense. But like so much
Speaker 2: of that underpinning is about faith and having just to
Speaker 2: believe things will work out, things will work in your favor,
Speaker 2: things are going to happen.
Speaker 3: Logically, knowing that necessarily things might not work in your favor,
Speaker 3: it's making more or less of a believer.
Speaker 2: Logically knowing that things might not work in my favor
Speaker 2: makes me less of a believer in what faith?
Speaker 3: Mmm mmm, I.
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily think of faith in that way.
Speaker 3: Like things.
Speaker 2: Let's say, if we're talking talking things might not work out,
Speaker 2: like I might not go to Panama in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: Me say, I have faith that might that might happen. Well,
Speaker 2: I could do that tomorrow. That's not really like an
Speaker 2: omnipotent thing I'm leaving in the air. It's like I
Speaker 2: could just go. I don't need to have faith that
Speaker 2: will happen. I could just go it.
Speaker 3: I mean things that you can't necessarily control.
Speaker 2: Like I have faith that I'm not going to die tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, do you have faith in that? Yeah? It's
Speaker 3: just a delusion that I say to keep me happy. Right,
Speaker 3: So you have, since becoming an adult, learned that a
Speaker 3: lot of faith based things are delusions. For me for you. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 3: like aliens a complete delusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so is everything. It's like object permanent to
Speaker 2: a delusion. The fact that Will can be behind me
Speaker 2: and I can't see him and he's got to like
Speaker 2: take my take everyone's word for him. That's insane. What's
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Like how a couple of days ago in the studio,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden a gust of cold came. We
Speaker 3: all felt it.
Speaker 2: We all felt that it was a breeze of cold
Speaker 2: in a close studio with no ventilation.
Speaker 3: So weird. But spooky things don't happen in fring his world.
Speaker 2: No, are you trying to explain it? Don't worry about it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I only say that I don't believe in aliens, just
Speaker 3: Yankee Chain.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is, like we've spoken about before,
Speaker 2: I like discussing concepts. I don't care for answers, and
Speaker 2: I think that I zone out very quickly out of
Speaker 2: conversations where people are trying to get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of it and solve it. It's like, we're not going
Speaker 2: to solve it in this conversation. Injuriate is just get
Speaker 2: a greater understanding, and that's it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's quite difficult for people to for
Speaker 3: people for you. For me, I always say for people
Speaker 3: whenever I say you know some people, No, I'm talking
Speaker 3: about myself. It's my roundabout way of never surrounding myself.
Speaker 3: I recommend you try it sometime.
Speaker 1: This is flex and Frooms on Kada.
Speaker 2: Where do you think is the best country to be
Speaker 2: a woman?
Speaker 3: Sweden? What makes you say that? Rolling hills, little ponds
Speaker 3: to wash yourself in like a beautiful princess. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't know, Probably not Australia. Why do you say that,
Speaker 3: because we're like, we're like notoriously sexist, racist, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the bubbling not We could go either way.
Speaker 2: Okay, best countries to be a woman starting in at
Speaker 2: number five Luxembourg, followed by Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway.
Speaker 3: So you're right with Scandinavia. I feel like these are
Speaker 3: all places that have some sort of basic income situation
Speaker 3: popping what you mean in basic income situation? Like what's
Speaker 3: it called universal basic income? Oh? Yeah, all that some
Speaker 3: such all those kind of things that help women.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you sound as inspired as I thought you
Speaker 2: would sound. It's fantastic. No, you think it's fascinating. I
Speaker 2: mean the criteria, what are the metrics? Well, this is
Speaker 2: what I was saying. I was trying to find the
Speaker 2: criteria of it, and it was based on things like sentiment,
Speaker 2: what is the general feeling about this place?
Speaker 3: How other countries perceive this place generally.
Speaker 2: So it's like a bit of vibes, a bit of
Speaker 2: measurement system, a lot of data that I couldn't unpack.
Speaker 2: I was like, what does that number mean? You know,
Speaker 2: but good to know the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can move there. Yea, you turn over to
Speaker 3: northern Europe.
Speaker 2: Do you know my thing about moving somewhere else? I
Speaker 2: don't play tax into places. Oh do you have to
Speaker 2: play both places? Oh you've got a business.
Speaker 3: Hey yeah, Well I'm a free agent, so I can
Speaker 3: live out all your fantasies. Weight here toilet, please don't
Speaker 3: to buy for me? Yeah, facts poor to potty.
Speaker 1: You're listening to flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: It's time for a love line. That's when somebody sends
Speaker 3: in a love relationship dilema and we love these there's
Speaker 3: a little bit of roasting that occurs.
Speaker 2: The roasting always happened, but I think it's good to
Speaker 2: keep discussions around love light and silly.
Speaker 3: You know, it's traumatic enough for a lot of people.
Speaker 3: This is true.
Speaker 2: The roast is for character development.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a big, fat, long one, so let's
Speaker 3: just get straight into it. Thank you. I have a
Speaker 3: good relationship with my boyfriend. We have been data for
Speaker 3: six months. However, I can't help but feel weird about
Speaker 3: his relationship with anime and hentai. From the start, I
Speaker 3: knew he liked anime, and that's one of the reasons
Speaker 3: we became close. However, now I'm getting even more close.
Speaker 3: I can't help or realize how much a biggest sexual
Speaker 3: role anime plays in his life. For context, He's been
Speaker 3: watching anime and consuming hen tai and animated erotica for
Speaker 3: some years now. He even has a favorite anime girl
Speaker 3: that he's dedicated to. Oh. His whole room is full
Speaker 3: of posters of her. Always buys anything he can get
Speaker 3: that is related to her, pillows, figurines. He also has
Speaker 3: a massive collection of erotica related to her since dating.
Speaker 3: He knows that I have an bit of an issue
Speaker 3: with it, so he has been taking down some of
Speaker 3: the posters. However, there are some pitchures he can't be
Speaker 3: unattached to, so he's had to keep some. He used
Speaker 3: to refer to this specific anime character as his waifu,
Speaker 3: and has told me how he used to feel happy
Speaker 3: when people jokingly said that she was his girlfriend. I
Speaker 3: love that. I know that he has tried to reduce
Speaker 3: his hen tie consumption since we started dating, but I
Speaker 3: feel weird about seeing all the half naked posters in
Speaker 3: his room and seeing him obsess over everything that relates
Speaker 3: to this specific anime character. I don't want him to
Speaker 3: stop doing things that he enjoys just for me, but
Speaker 3: I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't prefer for
Speaker 3: this specific aspect to be reduced or gone. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do help me flexing froomes. I feel
Speaker 3: for her because clearly she likes him, but she needs
Speaker 3: she needs to do some soul searching. When I was
Speaker 3: a young girl dating a man a bit older, looked
Speaker 3: through his computer one time images and I felt so gutted.
Speaker 3: I felt betrayed. I was sixteen, so you know it
Speaker 3: wasn't very worldly. But now I couldn't give her ratsass
Speaker 3: because I know they're with me and he can't have
Speaker 3: that woman in the photo. This man can't have that
Speaker 3: anime bride, So just do you chill with it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Let him live see the thing. Initially I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is just chill. Like he likes anime, he likes hentai.
Speaker 2: People should have their interests and also fictional characters. We
Speaker 2: all love our fictional characters. I think this in this instance, though,
Speaker 2: it's less about the sexual element and more so about
Speaker 2: his attachment that he couldn't choose to take a few
Speaker 2: posters down, Like his relationship to this character is so strong.
Speaker 2: He has to have the posters up, he has to
Speaker 2: keep the memorabilia.
Speaker 3: He has to keep it up.
Speaker 2: That's his girlfriend, baby. And the point that she made
Speaker 2: initially is right, like, we shouldn't be able to tell
Speaker 2: people what their interest should or shouldn't be for our
Speaker 2: own benefit. And I think it's a slippery slope because
Speaker 2: you started out in this relationship liking this interest together.
Speaker 2: And also I'm not sure that she even knows how
Speaker 2: deep it runs for him, so it'd be really hard
Speaker 2: for her to be like, Okay, if you take the
Speaker 2: posters down, I'll be fine with it, because what if
Speaker 2: it's just not the posters, or if you take the
Speaker 2: memorabilia way, I'll be fine, what if that's not enough,
Speaker 2: it'll just before you know, you're chipping away at him
Speaker 2: and his interest before Yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: Not much left.
Speaker 2: And like we were talking about the other day, a
Speaker 2: lot of people have this feeling that they are what
Speaker 2: they consume, Like I am my interest So if you
Speaker 2: don't like my interests, well you don't like me. Now
Speaker 2: it's six months in, I don't know what people do.
Speaker 3: I feel like, what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to date um dat him? You want
Speaker 2: to datum donat him. At this point, I don't want
Speaker 2: to remind you, but the media will hit.
Speaker 3: And we'll feel very silly to be clutching you love
Speaker 3: ones you don't love that much.
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