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Speaker 1: Now in Alice Springs. Police this morning telling ABC News

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Speaker 1: at the curfew is continuing to reduce crime. Lee Yates

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Speaker 1: telling the ABC that there has been a significant reduction

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Speaker 1: in youth related offending. Government have confirmed that they're considering

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Speaker 1: an extension to that curfew. We did just speak to

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association president though, Nathan Finn, and

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Speaker 1: he said, Katie, I think it is more a matter

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Speaker 1: that we've got more resources in Alice Springs and that

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Speaker 1: is what's making a difference. But joining me on the

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Speaker 1: line right now is the principle of you for and

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Speaker 1: your school. Gavin Morris, good morning to you, Gavin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Gavin. How are things going in Alice Springs. How's that

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Speaker 1: curfew going?

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Speaker 2: The curfew has been very effective in making sure that

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Speaker 2: we've got unsupervised use out of the CBD in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the night and back at home where they

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Speaker 2: should be. That's been fantastic. Certainly there's a visible impact

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Speaker 2: in terms of the lack of game and youth walking

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Speaker 2: around the todd Mall daybreaking to all hours of the night,

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Speaker 2: which has been great. And yeah, we'll totally agree with

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Speaker 2: the data suggesting that there's been a reduction in crime

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Speaker 2: at that part of town. But I also need to

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Speaker 2: be very clear with your listeners Katie that you know,

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Speaker 2: the tensions and the violence and the payback and all

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Speaker 2: the things that we've been talking about across the last

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Speaker 2: month continues at the same level in the town camps,

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Speaker 2: and that flows into your premier school, given that we've

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Speaker 2: got the three hundred and fifty Aboriginal kids who come

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Speaker 2: from those places.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, So it's certainly not all smooth sailing. There

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Speaker 1: is definitely still issues out there at this point.

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely not. I mean it's to the point now

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Speaker 2: for us, I'll put six teenage girls on a plane

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Speaker 2: and going to fly them to the other side of

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Speaker 2: the country for the holiday period because you know, everyone

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Speaker 2: around those girls recognizes that if they stay in Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs across the holiday break, they're going to end up

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Speaker 2: in one or two places, either in hospital or incarcerational base.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: That's not me, Yeah, And that's that's not trying. That's

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Speaker 2: that's us putting productive protective measures around that group of youth.

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Speaker 2: You can't be in these positions, Katie, see what's going

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Speaker 2: to come next. Understand that if we don't do anything

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Speaker 2: that we know what the outcome is going to be

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Speaker 2: and then do nothing about it, well, then you become

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Speaker 2: part of the problem. Yes, so it's a proactive step.

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Speaker 2: These kids aren't going on holiday. They're going to do

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Speaker 2: teaching and learning and involving themselves with education. But it

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Speaker 2: can't be unsupervised town camp stuff across the next two

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Speaker 2: weeks because the outcome of that will be disastrous.

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Speaker 1: And so Gavin, you Barinya has taken that step. You've

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Speaker 1: taken that step to transport the kids or to take

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Speaker 1: them across these these six young girls, teenage girls across

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Speaker 1: to Tasmania, so that they are removed from any dangerous

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Speaker 1: situations that could lead them to ending up any carts

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Speaker 1: or hurting themselves.

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Speaker 2: That's right. That's one of a number of measures that

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Speaker 2: we wrap around our students and families and a holistic,

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Speaker 2: strength based way to ensure that our kids are safe,

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Speaker 2: that they come to school, that they're engaged in school.

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Speaker 2: And it's working because our numbers have just continued to increase.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a Friday, it has three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty active enrolled Aboriginal kids at your premier school, which

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Speaker 2: is an all time record for us, and that's on

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Speaker 2: the back of an amazing piece of work from a

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Speaker 2: tremendous team who are doing work on the front line

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Speaker 2: in the most extreme circumstances. And it's not just during

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Speaker 2: the school day, it's in the afternoon that night, it's

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Speaker 2: across weekends, it's across the school holiday break, and it's

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Speaker 2: a real willingness from our school community around seeking creatively

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Speaker 2: about solutions to change the conversation, to ensure that we're

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Speaker 2: not talking about this in six months time.

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Speaker 1: So your numbers have actually increased over the last week

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Speaker 1: or side.

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Speaker 2: Our numbers continue to increase exactly. Yep. So we've got

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Speaker 2: we've got families absolutely who have flown out of Alice

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Speaker 2: own safety, and they're in hiding. That's definitely happening. We

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Speaker 2: know where they are. But yeah, our numbers continue to grow.

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Speaker 2: As you know, we're creating a safe place for Aboriginal

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Speaker 2: kids to land. And you do that by listening to community.

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Speaker 2: You do that when there is a crisis and we're

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Speaker 2: in run of the mail, let's let's call a spade

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Speaker 2: a spade. You have leaders step in and stepping up

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Speaker 2: that when the community needs support, that support's given. That's

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Speaker 2: been that's come from the ground, come from community, has

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Speaker 2: to encourachet in from somewhere, and you can see strength

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Speaker 2: and resilience to a community in crisis, and you know

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Speaker 2: where that's been reflected in our enrollment in the tenets.

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Speaker 2: It's a fantastic result, but at the same time it's

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Speaker 2: coming with a huge burden. I need to be so

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Speaker 2: careful in relations to being able to uptually. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's large part of you know, the last months where

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Speaker 2: I've spoken to the staff Katie around I can't actually

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Speaker 2: guarantee you a safe workplace. I worry about burnout. We

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Speaker 2: want to attract and retain the best staff because they're

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Speaker 2: doing amazing work and we are seeing great but we

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Speaker 2: are also experiencing a continuation of the violence and the

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Speaker 2: payback our current behavior leading conditions in the town camps

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Speaker 2: which will continue unless we shine a light on those

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Speaker 2: leaving conditions in those bases.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's really why those calls have come from

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Speaker 1: you over the last couple of weeks as well, for

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Speaker 1: either a royal commission or an audit. I'm assuming gaps.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, a curfew at the minute that you know,

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Speaker 2: that's a great solution for today and tomorrow, and you

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Speaker 2: know in the next week. I'm happy to extend that

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Speaker 2: curfew as long as as needed to come up with

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Speaker 2: a strategy. But the longer term solutions here and the

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Speaker 2: answers are we're providing a holistic education how we kids

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Speaker 2: feel safe and engage. You want to come and learn.

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Speaker 2: People are coming through, they're voting with their but at

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Speaker 2: some point in the afternoon or during the night, we're

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Speaker 2: dropping these kIPS back into the town camp and that's

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Speaker 2: where the danger lies. That's where kids aren't going home

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Speaker 2: because they don't feel safe. And now they can't go

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Speaker 2: into the Todden Hall because they're not lawfully permitted to

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Speaker 2: be there. So where are those kids going? But unless

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Speaker 2: we change the conversations around the living conditions in the

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Speaker 2: town camps, what our families experienced, the trauma that our

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Speaker 2: kids see and are involved with on an early basis, this,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be stuck in a cycle that we're

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Speaker 2: currently in at the moment. And it's quite a simple fix.

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Speaker 2: If we have a willingness to have tough conversation to

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Speaker 2: keep people accountable for the work that they do in

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go this morning, Gav, I mean

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Speaker 1: you have kind of touched on it already, but from

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Speaker 1: your perspective, I mean there's a lot of discussion about

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Speaker 1: whether this curfew should be extended. I guess quickly, do

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Speaker 1: you think that that should be extended?

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Speaker 2: Extend the curfew? Absolutely? And you know it's not strategy,

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Speaker 2: a means to an end. Extend the curfew so we

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Speaker 2: can design a collaborative strategy to talk about the raw commissions,

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Speaker 2: the audits. Yeah, you know what we need to do

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Speaker 2: to address a longer term option, but extend the curfew

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Speaker 2: for as long as needed. I understand it's very resource intensive.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to take a fantastic Ordan Territory police

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Speaker 2: away from the front line doing their protecting our community

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Speaker 2: while they're chasing sixteen and sixteen year olds around our

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Speaker 2: springs in the dark. But it is making an impact,

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Speaker 2: it is keeping their CD quiet and whilst that's happening,

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Speaker 2: it gives us a little bit of clean air to

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Speaker 2: come up with a strategy to ensure that we've got

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Speaker 2: people have been held accountable to make sure this conversation changes.

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Speaker 1: And Gavin, have those discussions started to be had around

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Speaker 1: what that strategy is next, you know, because even if

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Speaker 1: the curfew does get extended, I mean, what's next? Where

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Speaker 1: are we at?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. I know. I know the Chief

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Speaker 2: ministers back in our Springs tomorrow and there is a

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Speaker 2: plan to have all the key decision makers and CEOs

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Speaker 2: and leaders organizations around a round table in the next

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Speaker 2: week or so. And that can't be a talk fest, Katie.

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Speaker 2: That needs to be an answer fest and keeping people

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Speaker 2: accountable fest. If this is just going to be sitting

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Speaker 2: around the table, everyone has a round about how bad

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Speaker 2: things are, and then walk out of the room and

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Speaker 2: nothing changes, well then just let's not do that. Let's

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Speaker 2: not go down that road. So I'm hoping the Chief

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Speaker 2: Minister calls this meeting and it's an action fest and

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Speaker 2: at the end of that meeting everyone has a real

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Speaker 2: understanding about accountability and if you aren't accountable for the

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Speaker 2: work that you're meant to be doing in Old Springs,

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Speaker 2: if you aren't delivering outcomes and supporting our families in

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Speaker 2: a crisis while they move aside and let someone our Stuart.

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Speaker 1: Who can well, Gavin Morris, the principle of you buring

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Speaker 1: your school. I always appreciate your time and mate, I

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Speaker 1: think we just always need to have action fest. Don't

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Speaker 1: you reckon none of these talk fasts because we're all

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Speaker 1: over it there. Nothing happens from.

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Speaker 2: Those exactly exactly, you know, talk for the sake of

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Speaker 2: talking does nothing. You know, let's let's get together and collaborate.

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Speaker 2: But did the action that that cand pay from the

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Speaker 2: reaction staff that's where that's that's where they think typhonize.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I really appreciate your time as always this morning, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Cadie, thanks listening.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,