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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 1: You are our eyes and ears in the Territory Mixed

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Speaker 1: one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 2: We know that the Northern Territory Police are investigating the

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Speaker 2: death of a twenty year old male in Karama overnight

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Speaker 2: just before midnights and John Ambulance received a report from

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Speaker 2: security guards of an assault near a shopping center in Karama.

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Speaker 2: And we also know that a twenty five year old

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Speaker 2: female was also taken to Royal Darwin Hospital with what's

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Speaker 2: been described as significant injuries to her stomach and remains

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Speaker 2: in a serious but stable condition. Now joining us in

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Speaker 2: the studio Northern Territory Police Assistant Commissioner Travis Wurst. Good

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Morning Katy. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very well? Are you able to give us a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an update on the situation in Karama

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Speaker 2: this morning?

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Speaker 3: So, as you described, there was a tragic incident in

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Speaker 3: Karama overnight. As a consequence, police have established three crime

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Speaker 3: scenes in that particular area. All of those crime scenes

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Speaker 3: are still up and being made as we speak. What

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Speaker 3: that will mean for Karama is that there will be

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Speaker 3: some traffic disruption as a consequence. I can't tell you

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Speaker 3: how long that'll be up for, but it'll be some time.

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Speaker 3: We need to obviously do our job as thoroughly as

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Speaker 3: we possibly can. There is a person that's currently in

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Speaker 3: matter is obviously sitting with Major Crime given the gravity

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Speaker 3: of what's occurred, and a further update we provided by

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Speaker 3: Crime in due courses today goes on.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Major Crime will be out a bit

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Speaker 2: later today providing a further update in terms of those

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Speaker 2: three crime scenes. So I'm assuming that there are three

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Speaker 2: different areas around Karama where people won't be able to access. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 2: do we have any idea where those are at this point?

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I can get that further info a little bit

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Speaker 3: So the main disruption will will be to Klimnos Drive,

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Speaker 3: which is obviously the main thoroughfare through Karama. That is

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Speaker 2: Okay, And is there two people currently assisting the police

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Speaker 2: with those inquiries? All right? And I guess just thinking

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Speaker 2: about the fact that there's those three crime scenes, but

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Speaker 2: there are two victims at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yes, obviously there's.

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Speaker 3: The female that's currently hospital being traded, who's in a

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Speaker 3: on going around circumstances, all those elements. As I said,

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Speaker 3: Chrime will give the listeners more of an update later

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we'll certainly keep an ear out for that

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Speaker 2: and keep an eye out for that. I know that

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Speaker 2: there have been a lot of issues in Karama over

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Speaker 2: the I guess over the last few months or certainly

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Speaker 2: a lot of people getting in contact about public drunkenness

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Speaker 2: focus for the Territory Police, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Over the Christmas period we had a targeted operation

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Speaker 3: This particular matter is something that's somewhat out of the box,

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Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily think that it relates to those

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I am keen to talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: more about some of the other alcohol related issues. I

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we certainly saw an increase in activity around

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Speaker 1: The Middle Beach was a location where.

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Speaker 3: Council had determined that previously you were able to drink

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Speaker 1: Choose to chose. It wasn't a restricted area.

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Speaker 3: Council, on receipt of a letder from US, gave that

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Speaker 3: What does happen, however, is that that causes displacement for

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Speaker 3: that just means that our focus needs to continue to shift.

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Speaker 3: We continue need to move with those issues as they

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Speaker 2: Jill's going to ask, I mean, have we seen some

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Speaker 3: it's regulated, and it's a better place certainly for children

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Speaker 2: And I guess you know, it probably only becomes a

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Speaker 1: Look absolutely so it's all about safety.

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Speaker 3: So what one person considers to be unsafe may be

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Speaker 3: We still continue to work closely with all those partners

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Speaker 2: Now. One of the other operations it has been under

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Speaker 2: I think I've got my dates correct. How did that

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Speaker 3: National Road Safety Week was ran from sixteen May to

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Speaker 3: that investigation into that death is still ongoing, and I

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Speaker 3: Obviously there's an investigation in relation to the current as well.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you what some of that driver behavior

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Speaker 2: an odd time of the day, but there would be witnesses,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look absolutely, and that's what obviously brought that driver

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Speaker 3: which I actually give the community credit in that regard.

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Speaker 2: And just talking about how many units you've got on

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Speaker 2: I know that that was a point that had been

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Speaker 2: saying that in some instances there's one van on the

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Speaker 2: the assistant commissioner, is that the case at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So the only place that generally has one van on

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm aware of what Paul mcu the president of

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Speaker 3: that particular comment, and what I can say is we

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Speaker 1: There is always We've got Darwin, Casarina, Palmerston and hump

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Speaker 1: to do. All of those have staff.

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Speaker 3: There is an expectation that there are vans on the

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Speaker 3: But they don't operate in Casarina, Parmersan or Darwin. They

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Speaker 3: they will do so. But that's not just those units.

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Speaker 3: We've also got traffic units, Territory Response Group are working,

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Speaker 3: our crime units are always working. We generally have tried

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Speaker 3: and working as well. There are lots of police units

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Speaker 2: Feel as though you've got enough units out there at

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Speaker 3: Look absolutely and look at times we have staffing pressures

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Speaker 3: we have to move our resources around. We have the

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Speaker 3: Territory Duty super Tenant and the watch commanders who oversight

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Speaker 2: So from your perspective, there are enough staff, but sometimes

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Speaker 2: we're in a situation where there is a lot going

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Speaker 2: tied up at different incidents.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and look, last night's a perfect example.

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Speaker 3: So we have a tragedy that occurs in Kroma that

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Speaker 3: then it's incumbent upon the Territory Duty Superintendent and the

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Speaker 3: resources in is required and ensure that we manage that

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Speaker 2: And so as your message really for territorians that you know,

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Speaker 2: don't think you know, oh, this is an incident that

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Speaker 2: to say break and entry. It's still you know, get

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Speaker 2: in contact with you guys, and you we'll get somebody

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Speaker 1: Look absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And the last thing I suppose is worth saying in

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Speaker 3: our Joint Emergency Communication Center, it's graded. So depending on

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Speaker 3: what is being told by the community to the call taker,

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Speaker 3: it gets graded from one to ten, one to five, sorry,

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Speaker 3: and we will respond to any course of service in

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Speaker 3: line with that grading policy. Now, that is why it's

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Speaker 3: so important for the community to give us all the

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Speaker 3: information they possibly can about what's going on before them, yep.

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Speaker 1: And it will allows us to manage our response in.

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Speaker 2: That regard a bit like being triaged at the hospital,

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Speaker 2: I suppose.

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Speaker 3: Not dissimilar, not disimilar. We certainly have policies that govern

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Speaker 3: how we do that. We are committed to serving our community.

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Speaker 3: Our community deserves the best they can get from us,

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Speaker 3: and we're committed to doing that well.

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Speaker 2: And I think the community certainly appreciates the work that

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Speaker 2: our territory police do. NTI Police Assistant Commissioner Travis Wurst,

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Speaker 2: we always appreciate your time. Thanks for coming in this morning.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure