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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, And in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning, we've got the opposition leader,

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Speaker 1: Leo Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Lead, Good morning Katie, Good morning everyone.

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Speaker 1: And at this stage we've also got the Minister for

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Speaker 3: Paul Kirby, good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: At this stage, I mention that we're also expecting Kathleen

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Speaker 4: Gazola from nine years to get here, but she'll be

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Speaker 4: here in just a moment's time.

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Speaker 1: She's probably listening in her car as we speak. But look,

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Speaker 1: there is so much to cover off on this morning.

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Speaker 1: And firstly, I will go to this bush fire that

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Speaker 1: we have indeed had in Tenant Creek, and as of

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Speaker 1: late yesterday afternoon, that fire had broken through the containment

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Speaker 1: line on the southeast of the fire. Crews were working

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Speaker 1: on the mitigation strategies, which did include backburning and a

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Speaker 1: fallback line to contain it. There's no immediate threat to

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Speaker 1: Tenant Creek or the Stuart Highway, Epinara or Canteen Creek.

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Speaker 1: That is what we were being told late yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: We will head on down to Tenant Creek a little

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Speaker 1: after ten o'clock this morning. To find out a bit more.

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Speaker 1: But it's been a massive response. There is no other

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Speaker 1: way to put it. From our fires, from bushfires, int

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Speaker 1: from those station owners, absolutely everybody in the Barkley region.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely everybody's tipping in. It actually makes you feel well,

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Speaker 4: proud of territorians of how they've dug in, proud and

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Speaker 4: really happy for people from other states that have come

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Speaker 4: that the pastoralists and the cattle station owners are all

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Speaker 4: the civil contractors have dropped work and got every bit

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Speaker 4: all the volunteers and all the Bushfire's team are doing

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Speaker 4: such an amazing job. It does make you feel proud

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Speaker 4: to be a territory and that everybody's locking in and

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Speaker 4: a little bit sad that we can't do more to

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Speaker 3: To be honest, it is such a.

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Speaker 1: Tough situation, isn't it When you see something like this

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Speaker 3: And I guess that's so often we.

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Speaker 1: Do come together in terms of flooding and cyclicans, but bushfires,

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen such.

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Speaker 3: A huge emergency, I guess with a bushfire for quite

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Speaker 5: It is enormous.

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Speaker 2: It's just impossible to even comprehend the size of it

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Speaker 2: when you're talking about ten thousand square kilometers. But I

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Speaker 2: think the response has been really strong. Steve Edgington, the

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Speaker 2: of course the mayor and all of the teams out there.

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Speaker 2: Our pastoralists have really had to do a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, incredible hours just to keep things at bay.

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Speaker 2: But hopefully this dissipates soon. But all the reports from

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Speaker 2: Tony Fuller from bushfires nt he sort of. I was

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Speaker 2: you know very much that with the late the rain,

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Speaker 2: suppose this is unfortunately the outcome of that.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it would have been feed for next year for

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Speaker 4: it will certainly have some long standing effects, not just

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Speaker 4: even but certainly we'll have a significant effect and we'll

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Speaker 1: And we have just received the latest update as well

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Speaker 1: from Bushfires in t They have said that the advice

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Speaker 1: to the public crews are containing sorry, are continuing to

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Speaker 1: so people are indeed being urged to head to secure

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Speaker 1: And Kathleen Gazolas in the studio with us this morning

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Speaker 1: as well, and yeah, it's been it has been such

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Speaker 6: It is Yeah, I can confirm, always sitting in the

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 6: I mean, just the sheer size of it, the description

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Speaker 5: Just how big that fire front is.

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Speaker 6: And you know you've already touched on just how incredible

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look it is.

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Speaker 1: The thing I love about the Northern Territory, and we

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Speaker 1: Now, I do want to move along because unfortunately there's

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Speaker 1: is horrendous. It's disgraceful. Like it is disgraceful. There's no

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Speaker 5: It is disgraceful.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, we're seeing assaults on police increasing. We're seeing

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Speaker 2: Again, you know, Katie, if I was Chief Minister, I

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Speaker 4: To say that we're not dealing with it. We know

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Speaker 4: We'll continue to support our police, and we're always looking

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Speaker 1: I mean with things so like the announcement just a

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Speaker 1: Like it's actually really quite frightening and the ramifications are

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Speaker 1: I understand when the government says that you you know

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Speaker 1: to those those people that are working in bottle shops,

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it'd be I don't know how you go to work.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's Thatt'd be the thing.

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Speaker 6: I'd imagine that they're constantly thinking about what they're going

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Speaker 6: the de escalation training good for a worker to have

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Speaker 6: To be honest with you, you really have to wonder

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Speaker 6: we're seeing that our jails are extremely full, But then

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right. And we hear constant promises from government

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Speaker 2: severe offending. Government promised a knife crime strategy that took

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Speaker 2: six months and resulted in no legislative change, a bail

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Speaker 2: review which took five months and resulted in no legislative change.

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Speaker 2: This government is spinning its wheels and not putting people's

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Speaker 1: Leah, in terms of you know you've spoken about you know,

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Speaker 1: you just said before if I was the chief minister

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Speaker 1: of what you would do? But what would The thing is,

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Speaker 3: So where are we going to fit prisoners?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a big question that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are asking as well, and it's part of

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Speaker 1: the discussion that both sides of politics need to actually

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, Katie. At the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, if we need to have more correctional facilities,

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Speaker 2: then that's very sad and very disappointing and very expensive.

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Speaker 5: But we can't leave criminals on.

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Speaker 2: The street because we're too scared to deal with having

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Speaker 5: I mean, it just is what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, but again it shows this government hasn't planned

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Speaker 2: the infrastructure properly. We know the Youth Justice Facility is

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Speaker 2: now what seventy million dollars seven years down the track,

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Speaker 2: still not open, and that thing will be full to

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Speaker 2: the brim on the day it opens. Katie, there's no

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. We talk with people every day, particularly in this electra.

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Speaker 4: As I said, the police there are rest rates and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I want to stop it before it happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I do want to go back to

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Speaker 1: You know, to me, that absolutely exemplifies what people are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and everyone else.

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Speaker 1: We have also, unfortunately another incident overnight. Now we are

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Speaker 1: Now, look, I honestly can say that I've spoken about

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Speaker 3: They're continuing to feel very.

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Speaker 1: Unhappy about the state of crime and safety in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Now, I think for both of you, what

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Speaker 3: Now, it's number one. It's got to get sorted out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you sorted out, but people have

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Speaker 2: Well, Katie, we recognize that absolutely and have for a

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Speaker 2: So crime is number one, not just for personal safety,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely personal safety is is the key to making sure

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Speaker 4: what people want to hear. It's fine to say that,

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Speaker 4: how do we change things, How do we're investing as

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It's been an incredibly busy week and an interest week.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say, we know that the

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Speaker 1: But yesterday or the day before actually Wednesday afternoon, I

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Speaker 1: So what we know is and I read this out yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The Major Projects Commissioner attended as well, at a cost

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Speaker 1: of let me just find it, twenty nine, four hundred

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Speaker 4: Look, we know that travel is extremely expensive, and we

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Speaker 3: What her price is now of how much it's not.

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Speaker 6: The Chief Minister's one travel for ministers is posted on

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Speaker 1: Cost was that this is why people are pieced off,

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Speaker 1: because it's you've just got to be open and transparent

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Speaker 6: In opposition, Labor was extremely critical of seal travel, which

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Speaker 6: So it was so hard on the former government about

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Speaker 6: The question just happened to be that there was extra.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of us, we're not actually going to

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Speaker 1: But what I do know is that you've got to

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Speaker 3: This is not monopoly money.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And at a time when territorians are struggling to put

442
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Speaker 2: food on the table. You know, our hospital is in

443
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Speaker 2: constant states of code yellow, We've got crime out of control,

444
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Speaker 2: police under resourced. It just doesn't feel like the right priority.

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Speaker 2: People don't like being basically having to drag information out

446
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Speaker 2: of government. I mean we were talking about this trip

447
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Speaker 2: at ninety two thousand for about a week before it

448
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Speaker 2: was revealed that public servants were on the trip as well.

449
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Speaker 2: I mean, government could have come forward right from the start.

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Speaker 3: Three days to get that info, to.

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Speaker 2: Get that information exactly so, you know, Katie, I mean,

452
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Speaker 2: I'm sure Natasha's had a lovely dinner with Kevin Rudd,

453
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Speaker 2: but other than that, the proof would be in the

454
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Speaker 2: pudding when she comes back. What on earth was six

455
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Speaker 2: people doing in Washington for ten days.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you an indication the trip was probably I

457
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Speaker 4: would imagine mine was. Well, I've only been to team

458
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Speaker 4: Or to hunt down workers from team Or about October

459
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Speaker 4: last year, and I also did a trip to Indonesia. Now,

460
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Speaker 4: we flew from here to Dempasar and had meetings in

461
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Speaker 4: Dempasa on the same day, then flew west to Jakarta,

462
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Speaker 4: so it gets earlier and earlier the furtherer fly to

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Speaker 4: the west. We had meetings during the day, met with

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Speaker 4: people during that night. The first day on that trip

465
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Speaker 4: was a twenty hour day until we went to bed.

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Speaker 4: I got sick that night. I won't tell you how

467
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Speaker 4: sick because it's not very attractive. Got up the next day.

468
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Speaker 4: We had people from other countries that had flown in,

469
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Speaker 4: so you can't cancel those meetings, so you had to

470
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Speaker 4: go to the next couple of days worth of meetings

471
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Speaker 4: and then fly home. They are extremely rigorous and yeah,

472
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Speaker 4: they are certainly tough trips to do. They used to

473
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Speaker 4: take meet here on them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, batally, And that's the thing.

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Speaker 6: I'm quite aware of how long those days can be.

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Speaker 6: My issue isn't with certain trips. Mine is that you

477
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Speaker 6: promise to deliver those costings in the public before the

478
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Speaker 6: trip happened. Even if you know if the arguments now

479
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Speaker 6: is like on those websites, that's the exact cost of

480
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Speaker 6: how much it costs it could have been. It was

481
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Speaker 6: estimates beforehand. Why can't you provide that and then have

482
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Speaker 6: it on the website as the exact cost. That's what

483
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Speaker 6: I'm saying is because Labor was so critical when in

484
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Speaker 6: opposition and promise this thing and then now has backtracked

485
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Speaker 6: on it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that we've backtracked. I think you're right

487
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Speaker 4: that these these details weren't on there. Absolutely agree and

488
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Speaker 4: understand that. But there has absolutely has not been a

489
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Speaker 4: policy decision made of us not to your own policy.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you why they weren't loaded in this

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Speaker 4: particular instance, but I have been assured that they will

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Speaker 4: be into the future.

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Speaker 3: It's going to start.

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Speaker 1: I did as the Deputy Chief Finiston and Cole Madison

495
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Speaker 1: if she's going to commit to that being published now

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Speaker 1: before those trips are gone on, and she said that yes,

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Speaker 1: that would be the case. Is that I mean, is

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Speaker 1: that the desire of the cabinet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I haven't spoken with cabinet. Natasha's backing down.

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Speaker 4: I think she's doing a presser in a few minutes time,

501
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Speaker 4: so I'm sure that she'll get asked about that, and

502
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Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if she doesn't commit to making sure

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Speaker 4: those costings go up as the travels happening, or as

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Speaker 4: early as they possibly.

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Speaker 1: Just on this note, I do want to say that

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Speaker 1: Minister Lauren Moss traveled to the US, of course, to

507
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Speaker 1: New York to the United Nations Conference on Water. Now

508
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Speaker 1: that trip cost around sixty grand, fifty thousand dollars of

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Speaker 1: that was on flights.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: You know, to me, that doesn't pass the pub test.

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Speaker 5: I was never carefully her. That's her and a stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, absolutely, her and a staff member. But you know,

514
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Speaker 1: I know that QUANTUS has you know, I've certainly got

515
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Speaker 1: those prices up quite high sometimes, But that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: That is definitely a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge amount of money.

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Speaker 1: It's a kind of money that most US could never

519
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Speaker 1: even dream of spending on a flight. And I think

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Speaker 1: that that is what needs to be kept in mind

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Speaker 1: when that overseas travel happens as well, is that you've

522
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Speaker 1: got to think to yourself, how is this going to

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Speaker 1: benefit territorians and is it going to you know, is

524
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Speaker 1: the cost going to you know, to add up to

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Speaker 1: the benefit then to what it brings into the Northern territory.

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Speaker 4: I can guarantee and we we have got good relationships

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Speaker 4: with our federal ministers. Now, I can guarantee you that

528
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Speaker 4: from a few weeks ago going down to Canberra for

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Speaker 4: Facing North, it is astounding how little them and their

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Speaker 4: staffers know. So you absolutely have like it's great to

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Speaker 4: be able to do zoom meetings. You can't do zoom

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Speaker 4: meetings with a pentagon. You can't patch in to an

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Speaker 4: international water conference. And particularly in a situation like that,

534
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Speaker 4: when when the federal government and federal minister had asked

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Speaker 4: Lauren to attend on her behalf yes flights bell.

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Speaker 3: Federal mates to pick up the bell Qantas.

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Speaker 1: So I did go on and have a look, and

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Speaker 1: I admittedly, you know, for like two weeks time, so

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I couldn't backdate it to the

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Speaker 1: date that she's gone. But you know, you're not talking

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Speaker 1: about economy flights here. You're talking about business flights, and

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Speaker 1: you're not talking premium economy. And I tell you right

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Speaker 1: now the cost difference is astronomical between premium economy and

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Speaker 1: flying business. And look, you know, like I said, people

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Speaker 1: will make up their own minds as to whether they

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Speaker 1: think this is money well spent or not. But while

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Speaker 1: we are on that topic of flights. I do want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the situation with Quantus because we know

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Speaker 1: that it has been a quite an unbelievable week. I

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Speaker 1: think you'd have to say, well, an unbelievable month for Quantus.

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Speaker 1: We know that Alan Joyce is now out, they've got

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Speaker 1: their new CEO in, but this week, well, they had

553
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Speaker 1: to issue their first ever apology to workers after the

554
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Speaker 1: High Court found the airline acted illegally when it sacked

555
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Speaker 1: one thousand, seven hundred ground crew staff members during the

556
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic. The Transport Workers Union says it is

557
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Speaker 1: a historic win for workers and Quantus has said that

558
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Speaker 1: it accepts the High Courts ruling and has apologized to

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Speaker 1: those former workers. And the jobs are bagging chandlers as

560
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Speaker 1: we know, and cleaners at ten airports were outsourced as

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Speaker 1: the airline faced a dramatic decline in business.

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Speaker 3: This was during COVID, but it is quite an.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable situation what's gone on with Quantus over the recent

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Speaker 1: weeks and the rest of Australia is really just looking

565
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Speaker 1: at Quantus and going, you know, wow, what I've done

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Speaker 1: for us though our national carry out that I think

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Speaker 1: all Australians would have it. Many times, we so have

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Speaker 1: been so proud of, you know, the safest airline in

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Speaker 1: the world and you could go to so many destinations,

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Speaker 1: great service and all the rest of it. But more

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Speaker 1: recently they certainly haven't been looking after Australians, let alone

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Speaker 1: Territorians which are in the name and lining their own pockets.

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Speaker 4: That feels like the reputational damage that they've copped out

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Speaker 4: of this and just what will come now for those

575
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Speaker 4: visits seventeen hundred workers and to let those people go

576
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Speaker 4: or force them out in the toughest times. I heard

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Speaker 4: one gentleman talking on the radio the other day saying

578
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Speaker 4: he struggled to pick up full time employment. Beyond that,

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Speaker 4: like the effect for these people and their families, it's

580
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Speaker 4: really going to be amazing to see what the what the.

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Speaker 5: Payouts are for decades.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how CANDUs go about repairing their reputation from there?

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Speaker 1: A start, they could start looking after regional Australia, you know,

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Speaker 1: for a start, they could maybe try to make some

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Speaker 1: prices a little bit a bit more reasonable for anybody

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Speaker 1: that lives out of Sydney, Melbourne or you know, Brisbane,

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Speaker 1: for that That's going to be a good way to start,

588
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Speaker 1: wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say, Katie, this is

590
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Speaker 2: actually a really big opportunity for the territory. You know,

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Speaker 2: Quantus is in a world of pain at the moment.

592
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Speaker 2: The Northern Territory sits proudly in its name, and flights

593
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Speaker 2: in and out of the territory have become a crisis

594
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Speaker 2: point for people wanting to travel for business and to

595
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Speaker 2: go and see family and friends and go on holidays.

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Speaker 2: So you know what's the territory government's next step Now?

597
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Speaker 2: They should be absolutely saying to quants, let's do some

598
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Speaker 2: brand fixing, let's get some good news stories going, and

599
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Speaker 2: let's really work through a better travel solution for people

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Speaker 2: in the territory, particularly with some of those key linkages

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Speaker 2: like the Darwin Singapore flight.

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Speaker 6: But I mean to be fair, there's only so much

603
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Speaker 6: that a government can convince a private company like Quantus,

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Speaker 6: who's clearly been making billions of dollars in profit, are

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Speaker 6: actually going to listen and do the thing it's on

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Speaker 6: them to.

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Speaker 5: What they should be doing. Absolutely, Springs just recently get

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Speaker 5: another flight.

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Speaker 3: But you need advocates.

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Speaker 2: If no one is there banging down that door, fighting

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Speaker 2: for the territory. Then why would they care to do

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Speaker 2: anything different. That's what ministers are for. They are supposed

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Speaker 2: to be leading the charge, driving the advocacy, driving the ideas,

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Speaker 2: driving the progress. And instead and we've got people sitting

615
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Speaker 2: back and waiting for things to fall apart. That is

616
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Speaker 2: the time to pick up the sword and charge a

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Speaker 2: million miles an hour.

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Speaker 4: You've heard of the Aircraft Airport Attraction Fund, Airline Attraction Fund,

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Speaker 4: So we have we and I know that Minster Manison

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Speaker 4: is on the front foot and meeting not just with

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Speaker 4: Quantus but a range of different providers to try and

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Speaker 4: make sure that we can encourage different providers. We know

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Speaker 4: that we need that competition and we know that we

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Speaker 4: have been sorely let down to It's great to see

625
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Speaker 4: that Quantus are turning a record profit, but do you

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Speaker 4: we wouldn't mind some of that being pumped back into

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Speaker 4: to looking after Australians and particularly territory.

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Speaker 1: Few messages this morning. Firstly, the biggest thing people messaging

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Speaker 1: about is I'm sorry, but the iHeartRadio app seems to

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Speaker 1: be down and so they're not able to get their fixed.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, we will get the audio up as quickly

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Speaker 1: as possible, so if you're missing the week that was,

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to sort that out. Wayne's message through

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Speaker 1: Good Morning, Katie. Have we found our Attorney general yet?

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Speaker 3: Where is the Attorney Jo?

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Speaker 5: Tom's on holidays in America, isn't he?

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Speaker 4: I think he's having a well deserved break in America.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure where he went down. He might have

639
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Speaker 4: gone to the to the States. I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 4: where he was trapped.

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Speaker 3: He had dinner with k Rud too hot, so he

642
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: played for it himself. If he's on leave.

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Speaker 6: I don't say ministers on holidays.

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Speaker 4: Not that I'm aware of at the moment. Look, it is,

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Speaker 4: we don't form. We don't get paid holidays like it

646
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Speaker 4: is a really, really busy, busy time anytime of the year.

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Speaker 4: We know the dry season is an amazing time. I

648
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Speaker 4: know there's some people that get to have most school

649
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Speaker 4: holidays off and get time away with their families. We

650
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Speaker 4: actually don't get that. We're going through trying to structure

651
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Speaker 4: now to make sure that we've got ministers here over

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Speaker 4: the Christmas break and that we've got coverage three hundred

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Speaker 4: and sixty five days right across the northern territory. But yes,

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Speaker 4: every now and again, as we've seen in Queensland with

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Speaker 4: the premiere over there, every now and again it's not.

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Speaker 3: Very well for us.

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Speaker 4: As an example, every now and again, particularly yesterday being

658
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Speaker 4: are you okay to everybody needs and deserves to be

659
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Speaker 4: able to step away just for a week or so.

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Speaker 3: We are going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty if you've just joined us. It is indeed the

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Speaker 1: week that wasn't in the studio with us this morning

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Speaker 1: is Paul Kirby, Kathleen Gazola and Leah Finocchiaro. Now, I

665
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Speaker 1: do just want to take you across to well to

666
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Speaker 1: just enterprise indeed making headlines around Australia this morning, following

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Speaker 1: on from a couple of speeches that she'd done yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there had been some comments made

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Speaker 1: about a whole raft of different things. Kathleen, you've been

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this one as well, haven't you.

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Speaker 1: You're just mentioning to us Alfia some of the comments

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Speaker 1: that had been made.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she made some pretty.

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Speaker 6: Bold statements in relation to some of the questions from

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Speaker 6: the Press Club yesterday when she delivered her speech around

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Speaker 6: intergenerational trauma and colonization. So no doubt there'll be plenty

677
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Speaker 6: of articles on Rose if you want to have a

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Speaker 6: look back. But you know, she definitely touched on the

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Speaker 6: device in the community that has come about the referendum,

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Speaker 6: you know, from both sides, and of course we saw

681
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Speaker 6: a lot around certain comments that Marcia Langdon made this week.

682
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Speaker 6: Just the it's sitrial on both from both sides to

683
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Speaker 6: both sides and so on is really horrible in the

684
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Speaker 6: sense of, you know, did divide in the country and

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Speaker 6: you just hope that once it's all over we can

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Speaker 6: come back to some sort of position and work together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know the Opposition leader Peter Dutton has

688
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Speaker 1: come out and said, well he's spoken about comments made

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Speaker 1: by just Enter Price and had said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he was asked whether the Indigenous people when asked

691
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Speaker 1: when Indigenous, whether Indigenous people suffered the consequences of British settlement,

692
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Speaker 1: Price had told the audience in Canberra, I'll be honest no.

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Speaker 1: And Dutton has told Nines Today Show he wasn't at

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Speaker 1: the event but tuned in to watch it on TV

695
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Speaker 1: and said that Price was a brave indigenou woman. He said,

696
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Speaker 1: we either accept that people have views broad range of

697
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Speaker 1: a broad range of views, or we don't. The left

698
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: just say well, we can only listen to people like

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Speaker 1: Marcia Langton, but people on the right like just Enterprise.

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Speaker 1: We can't listen to Leah obviously just Enterprise part of

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Speaker 1: the CLP.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the comments?

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't see it, Katie, so I can't really comment.

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Speaker 2: But obviously Jacinta is leading the charge on the No

705
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: campaign right across the country. She's a staunch advocate for

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Speaker 2: the territory and a really proud Territorian, so you know

707
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Speaker 2: she's not afraid to mince her words. She believes very

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Speaker 2: strongly in a wide range of things and always puts

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Speaker 2: the territory first. So you know, without without seeing the comments,

710
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Speaker 2: is very difficult to make a comment. But what I

711
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: do know is that she will go out and fight

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Speaker 2: every day for the territory, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it a bit of like is it

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Speaker 1: is it correct though to say that you know that

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Speaker 1: in Australia, we're not we all suffering the consequences you

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Speaker 1: know of what has gone on and that there isn't

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Speaker 1: still that generational trauma.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we can take and I didn't see

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Speaker 4: the comments either, but if they're correct, I don't think

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Speaker 4: you can take comments like that as saying that you're

721
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Speaker 4: standing up for the territory. You know, I think you

722
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: do have to acknowledge people around the top end, even

723
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: in my electorate, the old carl And compound. You speak

724
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: to Charlie King and people like that, absolutely acknowledge the

725
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: pain and anguish that are been caused by decisions of

726
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Speaker 4: the past. But this is really an opportunity not to

727
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: sling mud at each other. But if you look at

728
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Speaker 4: our local decision making agreements that we've done a number

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Speaker 4: of outwith communities, indigenous people just getting the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: have a say in their own future. And if we

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Speaker 4: don't make this discussion any more complex than that, I

732
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Speaker 4: think we can come to the right answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's going to be interesting to see what happens

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Speaker 1: over the coming weeks. The thing that I've not liked

736
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Speaker 1: is that you know that it has been getting quite

737
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Speaker 1: nasty on either side. And I think that we're better

738
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Speaker 1: than that. This country is better than that. Surely we

739
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: are better than that. I know that so many of

740
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: us come from really diverse families. You know, all of

741
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: my nieces and nephews are Aboriginal. I think that we, yeah,

742
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: we can just be a bit more respectful.

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Speaker 4: And the truth of it is, Katie, it won't change

744
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: the way that we behave in the Northern Territory as

745
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: a government or as a society where extremely inclusive. We

746
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: know we've got a long way to go, but I

747
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: know from my perspective, like we're tipping tens of millions

748
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: of dollars more into foundational skills and making sure that

749
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 4: literacy and numerousy out in remote areas that we've funded

750
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Speaker 4: to the right level to do those things. As I said,

751
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Speaker 4: local decision making sure that the health services in remote

752
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: communities and housing at all of those things are done

753
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Speaker 4: to the absolute best level that we possibly can. Those

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Speaker 4: things won't change. So yeah, we really want I hope.

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Speaker 2: They change, Paul, because we've got the worst outcomes than

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Speaker 2: ever before. We've got lower school attendance since Labor have

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00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: been in government. We've got really disappointing, you know, levels

758
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: in in education. We know kids need to be getting

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: to school. We've got rolling code yellows and poor health

760
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: outcomes for people. Katie, We're really focused as a COLP

761
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: on bringing a really strong policy to the next election

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Speaker 2: around reforming local government. And I know that's something you

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Speaker 2: and your listeners have also talked about, but that has

764
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Speaker 2: come directly from Aboriginal people living in very remote communities.

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Speaker 2: No matter where you are in the territory, it is

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Speaker 2: an absolute consistent theme everywhere we go that labor's disempowerment

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00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: of Aboriginal people in the bush by consolidating community councils

768
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Speaker 2: into massive shires has totally stripped that ability for leadership, control,

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Speaker 2: decision making, having plants and equipment out of communities and

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Speaker 2: is something they want back will be make meaningful change

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Speaker 2: in their lives. So that's what we're absolutely focused on.

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Speaker 1: Look there, we are going to have to take a

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Speaker 1: bit of break. There is a lot going on this morning.

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Speaker 1: We have just been sent some further information by the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police about other arrests made overnight, but will

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Speaker 1: take a really short break. You're listening to mix now.

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Speaker 1: I do just want to take you across to the

778
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Speaker 1: fact that the Northern Territory Police have made multiple arrests

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00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: for stealing offenses across the territory overnight. We have already

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Speaker 1: told you about the incident at the bottle shop at Casarina,

781
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Speaker 1: but I do just want to make you aware of

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Speaker 1: another incident. Around midnight, police received reports of a stolen

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Speaker 1: Honda Jazz being driven around the Alla Springs CBD. A

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Speaker 1: tired deflation device was successfully deployed. Three mails, aged thirteen,

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Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty two were arrested at the scene without incident,

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Speaker 1: and whilst in the watchhouse, a twenty two year old

787
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Speaker 1: man has allegedly spat in the face of two officers.

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Speaker 1: He's expected to be charged with unlawful use of a

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Speaker 1: motor vehicle and assault police. The two youth are going

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Speaker 1: to be dealt with under the provisions of the Youth

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Speaker 1: Justice Act, and Acting Commander James gray Spence has said

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Speaker 1: that assaults on our office is particularly spitting, is completely

793
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: disgusting and shameful behavior. Spot on to the acting commander there.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely disgusting and they should not have to

795
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Speaker 1: endure that kind of behavior. And then there was the

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Speaker 1: other officer that we told you about earlier who was

797
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Speaker 1: punched in the stomach.

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Speaker 2: Horrendous yep, it's disgusting and you know what dealt with

799
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: under US Justice Act means probably given a sandwich and

800
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Speaker 2: dropped off back home, Katie, because that's the weak nature

801
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: of Labour's laws. And then we have police being spat

802
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: at by people who have done the wrong thing, and

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: this government has deprived our police of using spit hoods.

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00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: Now I have a red hot tip. They are still

805
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Speaker 2: for adults.

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Speaker 3: There's still.

807
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Speaker 2: The discussion last week, so they can't for use and

808
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: now there's this national discussion around whether they shouldn't be

809
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: able to for adults. Well, this a very good example

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Speaker 2: and again my red hot tip to criminals listening is

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Speaker 2: if you don't spit at police, they won't put a

812
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: spit hood on you. And the COLP policy is to

813
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Speaker 2: return spit hoods for our police, even for youth offenders,

814
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Speaker 2: because spit and blood is absolutely a health issue. It

815
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Speaker 2: is disgusting and people should be able to protect themselves.

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Speaker 6: It is abhorrent what they have to go through. And

817
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 6: then obviously now these two officers will have to be

818
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Speaker 6: tested and will take months, many weeks sometimes months absolutely

819
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Speaker 6: to get the results of not being potentially infect with

820
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 6: something which obviously impacts their personal life. Being able to

821
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Speaker 6: be with their partners, looking after their kids, you know,

822
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Speaker 6: being close with them and all all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 6: And I mean in these circumstances obviously being able to

824
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Speaker 6: use the spit guards. In some they're not wearing them

825
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Speaker 6: all the time. So in this circumstance, unless they know

826
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Speaker 6: for sure this person's gonna spit, they probably didn't even

827
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Speaker 6: get the.

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Speaker 5: Opportunity beyond me.

829
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Speaker 6: Exactly, so like they should have the opportunity to be

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Speaker 6: able to protect themselves.

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Speaker 1: The Assistant Commissioner actually bought a spit guard into the

832
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Speaker 1: studio for us to have a look at about a

833
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Speaker 1: week ago, so that we could see what they look like,

834
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Speaker 1: because I think that a lot of people have in

835
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: their mind that the spit hoods look like what they

836
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Speaker 1: did in the footage from Don Dale from many years ago.

837
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Speaker 1: They're not like that at all. You know, they're made

838
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: out of like this light chuol kind of fla. Yeah,

839
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Speaker 1: it's not a good at all.

840
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Speaker 3: It's like it's see through. You can see through it,

841
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: you can breathe through it.

842
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Speaker 1: The only place where there is like a bit of

843
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: plastic or a bit of you know, it's slightly heavier,

844
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: is over the mouth. Area to stop it from being

845
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Speaker 1: able to spit. So I think, you know, we need

846
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: to be careful that we don't go too far here.

847
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: You need to actually make sure that you are protecting

848
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: the people that are trying to protect the Northern Territory community.

849
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 5: Why would they want to sign up and do it?

850
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why should anyone have to be in a

851
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: workplace like that? You know, it's just it's not okay.

852
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: And this continual narrow arrative from labor around just putting

853
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: the rights of criminals first. I mean, this is the

854
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: example of that. It's very simple. If you don't do

855
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: the bad behavior, you don't have a repercussion. And ultimately,

856
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: we cannot let people continue to assault our police and

857
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: continue to victimize territorians simply because this government doesn't want

858
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: to deal with the fact that we have to be

859
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: harsher on criminals and put people's right to be safe first.

860
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: We've got more consequences in place than we ever have

861
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: to decide we're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Tell that to twenty seven thousand victims, Paul, go and

863
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: say it to their face. Go and tell it to

864
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: Leah from Stomp, Go and tell it to cha who've

865
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: had to shut their doors. Go and tell it to

866
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Speaker 2: Samara Lavity. You know, this is an absolute joke. It

867
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: is out of control and people want change.

868
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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up for the morning.

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Speaker 1: Before we do, though, I just want to do a

870
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: bit of a shout out to a few incredible Territorians.

871
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: Throughout this week we had two Northern Territory Police officers

872
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: who are actually the recipients of the National Police Bravery

873
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Speaker 1: Award for twenty twenty three. They were Constable Aaron Larson

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Speaker 1: and Constable Deborah Bradley from the Northern Territory Police Force.

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Speaker 1: Now they've been awarded for their heroic actions is what

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Speaker 1: this board had decided on the national scale during violent

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Speaker 1: rioting at what Air in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: So a big shout out to them. Incredible stuff.

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Speaker 1: But also yesterday I actually interviewed her name Shari Togo.

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Speaker 1: Now she is a local rugby league coach and she

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Speaker 1: is going away this weekend as the assistant coach of

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Speaker 1: the Australian Women's rugby league team.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, shout out to all of those

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Speaker 3: wonderful territories.

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Speaker 1: We've got some absolute gems in the territory and sometimes

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Speaker 1: you know, they've got to get that recognition if you

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Speaker 1: ask me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, we do punch well above our weight up

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Speaker 4: here and we are very very proud of all those people.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful congratulations Well Lea finoki Aro, the opposition leader, thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I just wanted to do shout out to the

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Speaker 2: Territory Court Association. They have the ATV state titles this weekend,

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Speaker 2: so it's going to be pretty awesome.

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Speaker 5: Get on down if you want to have a look.

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Speaker 1: And Kathleen Gazola from nine years Darwin, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time this morning.

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Speaker 5: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And Paul Kirby, the Minister for Small Business and various

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Speaker 1: other portfolios, thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thanks very much. Big shout out. Get around if you

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Speaker 4: get the chance to have a look at the new

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Speaker 4: street art murals. We're doing our hundredth this time round,

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Speaker 4: so there's a lot of them up and around this

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Speaker 4: somehow out in the suburbs and they are absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 4: Big thanks to David Jesse and the crew that have

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Speaker 4: done the majority of those.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see how the one on the

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Speaker 1: side of the g p O, the old g PO

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Speaker 1: building looks.

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Speaker 5: Is that what it's called the old?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, good stuff