1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, we dive 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: deep into the controversy surrounding the TikTok Awards, from the 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: red carpet racism, brown to Tammy Hambro's disappearance and the 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: Wiggles drug drama. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Let's get straight into it. A number of black creators 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: have bravely called out the racism they experienced at the 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: TikTok Awards. Disturbing vision of a photographer barring black creators 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: from entering the red carpet has gone viral, Sophie, can 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: you tell us more? 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, the first content creator to speak out against 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: this racism was Niel So. She has over four hundred 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: and seventeen thousand followers on TikTok and was invited by 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: the platform to attend the awards. So she explained that 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: this is the third time that she has attended the 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: TikTok Awards and that there are two red carpets set up, 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: So there's one red car but where content creators can 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: go and take their own photos, and there is another 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: red carpet that's basically manned by the media, so there 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: are journalists they're conducting interviews as well as mainstream photographers now, 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: she said, in the past she has been quite reluctant 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: to put herself forward to be interviewed, but this year 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: she wanted to push herself as quite often black creators 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: aren't represented in the media now. When Neielle got to 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: the front of the media red carpet, she said, a 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: staff member quizzed her on whether she was a nominee 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: or a presenter, and she explained that she was a 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: content creator, and the staff member reiterated that they only 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: wanted to interview nominees and presenters now. This is despite 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: the fact that Nielle said that she saw mutual friends 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: being interviewed who didn't fit either of those criteria. So 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: the staff member proceeded to tell Neelle that if she 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: wanted to get her photo taken, she could head over 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: to where the photographers were on the media red carpet 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: up Those photographers were from TikTok and also mainstream media publications, 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: so Neelle and her friend Maxie decided to line up, 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: but when they reached the front of the line, they 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: were approached rather aggressively by a photographer employed by TikTok. 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: Now Neelle has proof of the exchange because she had 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: already hit record on her phone so that her friend 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: could film behind the scenes of her getting her photo 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: taken on the red carpet. Let's have a listen to 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: what the photographer said to her. 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: If you don't need to be on the media, well 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: that's why they told you so taken to yourself. 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 4: Go downstairs. 48 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 5: This is for all the media. Well that's but this 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 5: has nothing to do with you. We don't need your photo. 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 6: They're not going to Are they gonna do with your photo? 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not our fault that we're given the 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 4: wrong In. 53 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: Phenemena, my blood is absolutely boiling from listening to that. 54 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: I mean, aside from the absolutely disgusting way that he 55 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: treated those two creators, the fact that this guy is 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: employed by TikTok and he's working at the TikTok Awards 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 2: and he's acting like that when there are so many 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: people they're filming. I mean, this is their job to 59 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: capture content. Did he not think that potentially his behavior 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: could get caught out? I mean, even if they didn't 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: capture that footage live. All of these creators are going 62 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: to talk about their experience at the event. 63 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean he spoke to them in such 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: a denigrating way. The tone was appalling. It was as 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: though they were a piece of dirt on his shoe 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: and he just sort of shwed them away. It was 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: absolutely revolting. I mean, this is an employee of TikTok 68 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: saying we don't need your photo, So he's essentially saying 69 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: teatok Australia does not need your. 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: Photo, and also mocking them like what did you think? 71 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: Why would you come up here? Like what a silly 72 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: idea to think that we would want to use your photo. 73 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: It would be incredibly embarrassing, particularly said in front of 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: all of these other creators. Well, you could see Adam 75 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: Hyde in the vision he was getting his photo taken. 76 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: It was a little bit awkward because people have criticized 77 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: him for not getting involved and speaking up for the women. 78 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: It is unclear whether he could actually hear what was 79 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: going on. I'd like to give him the benefit of 80 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: the doubt. I mean, he was quite close. But then again, 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton spoke about her red carpet experience we are 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: going to go into that later, and she said it 83 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: was just very chaotic. There was so much screaming and 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: yelling going on. It was a very loud environment. I 85 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: like to think that if he had heard what was 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: going on, he would have said something. Now, Nielle uploaded 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: this video to TikTok and it has quickly attracted one 88 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: point six million views. Now. In the video, she went 89 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: on to question why TikTok was inviting creators. This is 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: simply a celebrity event and that if they're inviting creators 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: to be seat fillers, then at least let them know 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: they're being invited as audience members are not creators. And 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: I think that that is such a good point because 94 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: I have seen so many smaller creators being really excited 95 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: to get invited to the Awards. They've then had to 96 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: fund their own flights, they're their own hair, makeup, accommodation, 97 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: and then they've arrived at the awards and thought, oh, actually, 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: there's eight thousand other creators here. I'm not so special. 99 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: I just feel like a bit of a seat filler. 100 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: I was pretty shocked because. 101 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: Some of the vision that was coming from the Awards 102 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: filmed by creators like I follow Aims on TikTok and 103 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: she is a big creator, She's got over a million followers, 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: and she was up in the noise bleeds and I 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: was like, hang on. 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: What It's very confusing. Who worked out the seating plan? 107 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: Now getting back to Neille's video, so she also included 108 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: a second video of an exchange with this photographer. So 109 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: when the photographer noticed that Neelle was filming, he came 110 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: back over to try and shift the blame onto the 111 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: press photographers. So he said that he wasn't trying to 112 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: be nasty, and it was actually the daily male photographers 113 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: who were the bad guys and would rip everyone's heads 114 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: off and tell them to get out of the way 115 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: if they stepped onto the red carpet. 116 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Once he realized that they were filming, 117 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: I mean, as if they wouldn't be filming, well, his 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: tone totally changed, didn't they? 119 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? 120 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: Now. 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: Neil then went on to confirm that this was not 122 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: an isolated incident and unfortunately happened to multiple black creators. 123 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what she said. 124 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: I guess what, guys, that experience did not only happen 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 4: to me, It did not only happen to Massy Zoe, 126 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: you know, the people I was with. It did not 127 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 4: only happen to them. It also happened to multiple black creators. 128 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 4: And the fact that they were saying, they were saying 129 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: that this wall is for nominees and press only, and 130 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: this is how they treated their only black nominee. 131 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 5: Now. 132 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: The creator that she is referencing is Florence Beatio, who 133 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: has over one point one million followers on TikTok and 134 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: who was nominated for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year. 135 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: Now despite being a nominee, Florence alleges that after she 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: lined up to walk the media red carpet, a photographer 137 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: refused to take photos of her and told her to 138 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: get off. What the hell now? In the video, which 139 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: has attracted one million views, Florence says she was still 140 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: trying to process the experience. Let's take a listen to 141 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: what she said. 142 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 7: So basically, there was like media, there was like a 143 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 7: red carp I mean pink corpet, red carpet or whatever, 144 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 7: and me in this other creator, she's also a person 145 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 7: of color. We went on the carpet to get off. 146 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 5: What is taken? 147 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 7: Because as we should he got nominated. What the early 148 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 7: we went on and I kid you not, there was 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 7: like I think full photographers and there was this photographer 150 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 7: that was wearing a blue cap and I got on 151 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 7: and literally he didn't take a photo. And then how 152 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 7: it's supposed to work. It's like we're all supposed to 153 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 7: like just kind of rotate, like so you get a 154 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 7: photo second, then you talk to me, and then you 155 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 7: get off the carpet. But like, this guy literally didn't 156 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 7: take any photo race and then he was telling me 157 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 7: to get off. He was telling me to get off, 158 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 7: and I was like, but I thought I was supposed 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 7: to go and then now do the media, like do interviews, 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 7: and obviously I don't know what's going on, so I 161 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 7: just got off. But it was just so embarrassing because 162 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 7: I'm like, what do you mean you didn't take any 163 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 7: photos and you literally just shoveled me off stage, And 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 7: then I've seen him take lots of photos of other people. 165 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 7: And then the other content creator she literally she went 166 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 7: and told I think she wanted told one of the 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 7: workers that TikTok, and then I think they wanted to 168 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 7: told him so then he was literally this. 169 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Is absolutely disgusting I cannot believe that this is happening. 170 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: This is someone who has been nominated for an award. 171 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: Why doesn't TikTok need their photos? Can they answer us that? 172 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a pattern of behavior. You can't deny 173 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: that this is racism. 174 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: The thing that makes me so sad is hearing how 175 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: embarrassed Florence was by this incident. I mean, this is 176 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: a moment where you're supposed to stand tall and proud 177 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: about what you have achieved. I mean, she was nominated 178 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: for Beauty and Fashion Creator of the Year. That should 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: be a really proud and special moment, but instead it's 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: been marred by this experience. 181 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: Looking at this, there are two main issues going on. 182 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: There's obviously the abhorrent racism, and then there is a 183 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: breakdown in communication. So if the plan was for only 184 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: nominees to be photographed by media on the red carpet, 185 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: I mean Florence has come out and said, well, she 186 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: was a nominee and she was treated like shit. That's 187 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: the racism side there. But if that was the plan 188 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: that only nominees were going to get photographed, they needed 189 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: to communicate that to everyone that was attending the event. 190 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: This invite needed to have a better rundown of what 191 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: was going on. 192 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: They've gone and. 193 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: Made these people feel special, saying, oh my god, you 194 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: have been selected to attend the TikTok Awards, shell out 195 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: your money to get flights, accommodation, your makeup and hair done, 196 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: and then we're going to treat you like crap. You're 197 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: going to be amongst eight thousand other people and we're 198 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: going to sit you in the nosebleeds and then actually 199 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: abuse you and be racists. Like what is going on? 200 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, how dare a creator want to walk on 201 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: the red carpet and get their photo taken? 202 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 4: Like? 203 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: How dare they? The tone of these photographers is just 204 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: not it. And as someone who has worked in the 205 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: media before, yes, photographers can be very grumpy, but why 206 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: are you treating invited guests like this? Like it's absolutely insane. 207 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: There is no excuse for racism. I mean these photographers 208 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: should be fired. They should be and the TikTok staff. 209 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: Ever, now the awards have been an absolute pr nightmare 210 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: for TikTok because creators are now calling to boycott them 211 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: and declaring that they won't be returning next year. There's 212 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,479 Speaker 1: now quite a lot of creators who are making videos 213 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: talking about the shame they feel for attending the awards. 214 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what Adelaide creator Matilda Norton said. Kay, 215 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: does anyone else have post traumatic TikTok Awards show shame 216 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: p t t a s S? 217 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 8: Because I do genuinely feel. 218 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: So much shame and embarrassment that I went, and I 219 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: just feel like one, like, it's so embarrassing. 220 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 4: Guys. 221 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think Matilda Norton should feel any shame. 222 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: I think the event organizer should be feeling shame, and 223 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: the photographers, I mean, those are the people at fault. Yeah. 224 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think the reason she's talking about feeling this 225 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: shame is because, as author and TikTok creator Kate Forster 226 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: explain so eloquently, is that when you attend an event 227 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: these days, unfortunately, that is you aligning your brand with 228 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: the other brand. So you really have to be careful 229 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: about which events you're attending and which brands you're putting 230 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: your support behind. Obviously, in this case, the racism happened 231 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: during the event. This is a very unexp thing to happen, 232 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't blame any creators who attended obviously, next year, 233 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: perhaps if they choose to attend, that's when we can 234 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: look a little bit deeper into this. Yeah, exactly. 235 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: I mean you can only make that decision based on 236 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: what's happened prior to you accepting the invine. 237 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: Now, on the topic of Kate, she has put out 238 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: a series of videos reacting to the TikTok Awards. Now, 239 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: she didn't attend the event, but she has spoken out 240 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: about the racism and also the fact that some creators 241 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: were put in rooms alongside their own stalkers. Let's have 242 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: a listen to what she said. 243 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 8: Creators reported racism. It was an unsafe space. People were 244 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 8: put in rooms with their own stalkers, people who have 245 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 8: AVOs on them, and they were in the same room. 246 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 8: People being harassed. Why did you block me and blah 247 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 8: blah blah, disabled paper room filled with vape, smoke like 248 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 8: fucking insane, no water for two hours. This isn't a 249 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 8: vibe issue, It's a values issue. How important you understand that. 250 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm very interested in Kate's allegations around content creators being 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: put in rooms with their own stalkers. Is that in 252 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: relation to paparazzi who have stalked them. 253 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: Or now I just believe it's other creators who have 254 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: beef with other creators. So there's potential falling outs. But 255 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: it's not very good planning by TikTok. Surely they should 256 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: be across the TikTok drama. 257 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: I mean the fact that they invited eight thousand creators, 258 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: they probably couldn't keep across all of the beef. And 259 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: who doesn't like who? Now In terms of Neil's comments 260 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: regarding content creators essentially being invited to fill seats, this 261 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: sentiment was backed up by a content creator called doctor Michael. 262 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: So as the name suggests, he works full time as 263 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: a doctor in the ED and has amassed a huge 264 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: following of over half a million people for sharing medical 265 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: tips and debunking wellness myths. Now, after attending the awards, 266 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: Doctor Michael uploaded a video with caption, if you didn't 267 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: get an invite to the TikTok. 268 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Awards, you dodged a bullet. 269 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: So in the three minute call that he libeled the 270 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: awards not as a shambled, Let's take a listen. 271 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 9: What an absolute shambleed. I've never felt more Scottish than 272 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 9: I did last night, because Scottish people have this bullshit 273 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 9: radar that goes off whenever they smell that something's not 274 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 9: quite right. And as soon as I walked in, my bullshit. 275 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 5: Radar was going, maybe maybe, maybe, maybe maybe. 276 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 9: Do not be fooled by the polished look on the TV. 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 9: It was a mess, a real mess that was like 278 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 9: sardines in a can. And on the TV, Yeah, the 279 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 9: red carpet looks fantastic. Yes, go and get your picture taken. Oh, 280 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 9: everybody's looking great. No, there was eight thousand people and 281 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 9: there was two tiny bits of red carpet that were 282 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 9: about three meters long. Those people waiting for two hours 283 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 9: just to get a picture, Those people waiting hours for 284 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 9: other stuff with fancy cameras that were moving around and 285 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 9: all that kind of shit. It was bollocks. 286 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: One of my favorite content cret is Cottney Mang and 287 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: she is a friend of the show. She attended the 288 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: TIK Awards as a plus one, and she spoke about 289 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: having to wait two hours on the red carpet to 290 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: get you know, that slow mo glam vision, and I 291 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: was like, oh, it must have just been in that 292 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: sort of portion, like you know, there's technology involved to 293 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: capture that shot. It's crazy to think that the whole 294 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: red carpet area was actually congested for hours. 295 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anyone who will wait two hours 296 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: for a photo, it is an influencer. But it does 297 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: seem a bit ridiculous. Doctor Michael said that the awards 298 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: night was so busy that it actually felt like he 299 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: was in an airport. In fact, he said he would 300 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: have rather been in an airport. And he said that 301 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: it was in stark contrast to the event two years prior, 302 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: which he said was much smaller and more intimate. He 303 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: said it was actually a place where creators could mingle 304 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: and connect. Now on top of the traffic jams at 305 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: the picture walls. Doctor Michael said that guests were also 306 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: forced to pay their own way, so at the previous 307 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: events that he's attended, he said, they put on free 308 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: food and free drink, but this time around there was 309 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: none of that, and he complained that he was slugged 310 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: twenty eight dollars for a drink. See when I was 311 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: watching Colly's content from the TikTok Awards, I saw that 312 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: her and her friend bought like big bags of chips 313 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: to take in and they were kind of you know, 314 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: in the nosebleed area. And I was like, Oh, maybe 315 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: that's because you know the content creators she went with. 316 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: I wasn't familiar with her. She's a Taylor Swift content creator. 317 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, maybe they put the like smaller 318 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: time content creators, you know, higher are. But then when 319 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: I saw as a reference earlier aims up high, I 320 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: was like, hang on, what's going on, Like, it doesn't 321 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: make any sense. You can't invite people as guests to 322 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: an awards night and then ask them to pay for 323 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: the food. 324 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Well, as doctor Michael said, as if TikTok couldn't get 325 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: a sponsor, a food or drink sponsor, like, surely someone 326 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: would have been happy with the amount of people who 327 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: creating content around this to put their food or drink 328 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: brand forward. 329 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: It's interesting because the award night was held at the 330 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: ICC Sydney Theater, which only last week was renamed TikTok 331 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: Entertainment Center. So it makes sense that they decided, in 332 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: order to show off this new venue that they've got 333 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: naming rights too, that they wanted to invite a lot 334 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: of people use the theater at its greatest and also 335 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: just go okay, well, everyone can buy food and drink 336 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: from the vendors at the theater, but I mean that 337 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: has completely backfired. 338 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, underneath doctor Michael's video, there were quite a 339 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: number of people who shared they're discussed in creators having 340 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: to pay for their own food. One said it's a 341 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: bit bizarre to have an Australian version of these awards 342 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: when the platform doesn't even pay Australian creators, while another 343 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: said I can't fathom not even getting a free drink, 344 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: especially in a country that doesn't pay its creators assent. Now, 345 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: there were a couple of followers who asked doctor Michael 346 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: why are there so many creators talking up the event 347 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: and saying how well run it was and that they 348 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: loved it, And he pointed out that it's basically so 349 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: that they can secure themselves an invite next year. I mean, 350 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: Britney Saunders found herself off the guest list this year 351 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: after she gave her honest feedback on last year's awards. 352 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: So it's not exactly surprising that some creators are trying 353 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: to sing TikTok's praises and they're not wanting to ruffle 354 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: any feathers. 355 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: I mean Britney Saunders is probably counting her lucky stars 356 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: that she didn't go to that exactly. It was a 357 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: blessing in disguise. 358 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Now. Frankie Evans, who is a micro influencer with thirty 359 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: two thousand followers on TikTok, agreed with doctor Michael's sentiment. 360 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 3: TikTok awards a couple of impressions might get me in trouble. 361 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: Last night, I reattended my Year ten formal. I feel 362 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 3: like it was quite a tacky event. The host started 363 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: with who's done a shit tonight? Let's give a round 364 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: of applause. 365 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 5: For the toilets. 366 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: Creators and influencers were vaping inside. 367 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: The whole room was so foggy because of. 368 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: The vape, like so so foggy, and I just thought 369 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: that was extremely disrespectful. 370 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: And security spent all night yelling at. 371 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 3: Girls because everyone's stresses kept getting caught and escalators. 372 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: I think it was a very very hard crowd to please. 373 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 3: No one laughed at anything, No one was really that 374 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: happy for people. 375 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: I love this event being referred to as a Year 376 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: ten formal. I feel like that is the best description. 377 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: I just had a flashback to our year eleven four. 378 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: We didn't have one in year ten. The year eleven 379 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: was our first one, and yeah, I think it sounds 380 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: like this night. It was a fucking shit show. I 381 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: remember a guy came with a cane like a walking stick, 382 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: which had I think pills all inside. So that gives 383 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: you an idea of the event that was attended. I 384 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: feel like this could have been happening at the TikTok 385 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: Awards as well. Now, Frankie confirmed that creators did have 386 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: to buy their own drink, as doctor Michael said, and 387 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: she said it was kind of good because it brought 388 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: influences back down to Earth. I wonder if maybe TikTok 389 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: also didn't want influencers getting too drunk. 390 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: No, I think it's a cheap thing. I don't think 391 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: that they would have cared about that. Frankie also said 392 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: that the crowd was very hard to please and that 393 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: no one laughed at any of the jokes, probably because 394 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: they weren't drinking, so they're way hungry. 395 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: They were hungry. She also said that tall poppy syndrome 396 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: in Australia is so real, so that's a bit of 397 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: a different side to the event. 398 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: Now, another content creator to share their thoughts on the 399 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: awards was for dance. So she is a divorce lawyer 400 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: with over one point three million followers, and she's known 401 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: for sharing her day on a plate. 402 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: I quite enjoy her Gonda, Yeah, I do as well. 403 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: Now this is what she had to say about the 404 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: bar situation. 405 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 10: Okay, so I've come out for the break. It's twenty 406 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 10: past seven and the bar is closed. 407 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: It's closed. 408 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 10: You're allowed to have drinking a lot of a soft drink. 409 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 10: You can't have any water, you can't have any drinks. 410 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 10: Whatswevery because they want you. 411 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 5: To watch the show. As I said, just popped out 412 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 5: to go to the. 413 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 10: Ladies and I would like a drink, but you can't 414 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 10: have a drink because the path closed until eight o'clock. 415 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: She also said this about the media wall line but 416 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: this is. 417 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 10: The money shop to get the money shot. You've got 418 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 10: a fucking line right. We're not lining up. I'm sorry, 419 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 10: we're not lining up. My sister says we should line up. 420 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 10: I don't care that much to line up. I don't 421 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 10: need the photo. I don't want to line up. We're 422 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 10: not lining up. 423 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: I love the fact that she just said, fuck this. 424 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm above this. I'm not lining up for a photo. 425 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I respect that, but again, I feel for the 426 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: creators who you know, they've flown over. They've had to 427 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: pay for that, They've had to pay for a makeup artist, 428 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: They've paid for their hair to get done, They've paid 429 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: for a new gown. 430 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: You want to get a shot. I mean, to be fair, 431 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: if I had been invited to the TikTok Awards, I'd 432 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: want to get on the red carpet, have a photo take. 433 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: And I mean, really, that's what you're there for, to 434 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: be seen exactly. Indy Clinton has been forced to defend 435 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: her actions on the TikTok Awards red carpet after a 436 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: video of her posing for photos went viral. At the 437 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: time of recording, the video has a mass over one 438 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: point two million views and attracted a lot of commentary. 439 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen the clipcake, can you explain. 440 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: It, I'll do my best considering this as an audio format. 441 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: So Indy's husband Ben is the first to walk into shot, 442 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: and he stands in front of the media wall and 443 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: Indy kind of sweeps in behind him. It's almost like 444 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: she's floating. She glided in so quickly. She then rushed 445 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: over so she could pose on what I'm guessing is 446 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: her preferred side to be photographed on. I get that, Yeah, 447 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: I get it as well. She then kind of cozy 448 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: it up to Ben for a split second before rushing 449 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: off in another direction. She looked very frantic, and she 450 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: was sort of twisting and readjusting herself. I mean, she 451 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: was wearing an absolutely stunning gown designed by Effie Katz 452 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: had a very plunging neckline, so she was obviously trying 453 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: not to have a wardrobe malfunction. 454 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: The way she was floating around it almost reminded me 455 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: of the tooth fairy character that she's been blaming for 456 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: her kids. I think it's it's called Opal the tooth 457 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: for our came its name, but it was like, yeah, Well. 458 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: She ended up standing long enough with Ben for photos 459 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: to be taken before he exited the shot for her 460 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: individual photos, and again Indy looked really frazzled as the 461 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: photographers yelled things out at her. She then said, oh 462 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: my god, you all want me? 463 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: What the hell? It's a bit in contrast to the 464 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: experience of some other creators that we've just documented have 465 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: exces very interesting. 466 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: Now the comments on this video have been switched off 467 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: because they got very defamatory. Before the comments were turned off, 468 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: Indy shared a video reply to a comment that read, 469 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: you literally look cracked out on the carpet at the 470 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: TikTok Awards. Girl, Well, let's take a listen to what 471 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: Indy said. 472 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 6: Usually addressed things like this, but I thought, I'm going 473 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 6: to stand up for myself. Was I hate when people 474 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: spread untrue things about me. It's a video going around 475 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 6: to me on the red carpet at the TikTok Awards 476 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 6: that is going viral because of the way I was acting. 477 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 6: I guess, just to give you a little strinkle of context, 478 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 6: I have been working every day, every night for the 479 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 6: last two weeks, so I'm extremely tired, like overwhelmed, tired, 480 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 6: burns out, I'm done. Got to the awards super late, 481 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 6: so I had five more minutes until the red carpet flows, 482 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 6: and they really wanted to rush me through because the 483 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 6: awards are about to start. I can literally hear in 484 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 6: the video the photographers fighting at each other because one 485 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 6: of them told me to go to the end of 486 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 6: the carpet where he was. 487 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: We obviously have. 488 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: To start at one end. 489 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 6: Make your way down, but he got me there straightaways. 490 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 6: I was led there and then all the other then 491 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 6: they start fighting in front of me, and I'm like, oh, 492 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 6: that's why I go, Oh my god. 493 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: I feels I wanted. 494 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: Similar to the behavior we saw from journalists last year 495 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: at the TikTok Awards and more recently at Australian Fashion Week, 496 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 2: one of the reporters tried to create a viral moment. 497 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: This time it was by trying to get Indy to 498 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: talk about her nose job. 499 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 500 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 6: Second interview. There's only two questions, and the second question 501 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 6: was like, what's your wabi sabi? And I was like, 502 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 6: what is a wabi sabi? She says, Oh, it's like 503 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 6: something that's like off center, a bit one key or something, 504 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 6: you know, like my webbie sabag is my tooth my head. 505 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm not mentioning this because like, I don't 506 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 6: want to talk about that. Like I've just spent all 507 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 6: afternoon getting ready, I feel really good. I didn't want 508 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 6: to talk about it. There's so many other things people 509 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 6: talk about. I'm like, hey, cool, my webbi sabi is 510 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 6: like my off center middle part, Like it's always off center, 511 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 6: like it's always won key. 512 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 5: Her response was only God, I. 513 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 6: Thought you're going to say your nose sorry, Like what now. 514 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 2: Indy went on to say that she told the reporter 515 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: that she can't comment legally about her nose and said 516 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: that the questions really threw her and she suddenly felt 517 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: like she didn't want to be there at the event. 518 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: She just wanted to go home. 519 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: I can understand that, though I think people are forgetting 520 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: how traumatic the past eight months has been for Indy. 521 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: She has been relentlessly trolled and bullied over this nose job. 522 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: It's different when she jumps on her own platform and 523 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: decides that she wants to talk about it, or she 524 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: appears in a podcast and is approved those questions. But 525 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: this is all in a bid for TikTok to create 526 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: a viral moment and essentially create more trolling. 527 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, we all know what type of comments would have 528 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: been put under that video, and it gives you an 529 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: insight into the headspace she would have been in when 530 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: she appeared on the red carpet. She's got all these 531 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: photographers yelling and screaming at her while trying to work out, 532 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: you know what angle she wants to be photographed in. 533 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's another thing as well. She probably was 534 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: feeling quite self conscious about being captured from a ton 535 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: of different angles with photographers who we've heard are very rude. 536 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe a lot of the commentary came from 537 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: people who don't actually follow Indy's content, because when I 538 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: saw that vision, I thought, that's just Indy being Indy. 539 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: She's always a bit crazy and out there in saying that. 540 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: Though, there was a lot of commentary on Indy's video saying, oh, 541 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: I was ready to go to war for you, and 542 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: then I saw the vision. If I was Indy's pr manager, 543 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: I probably would have told her to ignore the video 544 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: because what she's done is actually drive more attention to it. 545 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: It's gone even more viral. You know, We've seen the 546 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: comments have now been switched off. I'm assuming because they 547 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: were so defamatory, because either are defamatory claims being made 548 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: against Indy Clinton that she has come out and said. 549 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: Is not true. 550 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: We need to take her word on that. I mean, 551 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: it was pretty funny because she ended up sharing a 552 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: photo of her and Ben eating a lobster dinner thirty 553 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: minutes after the awards and not saying oh, you know, 554 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: we weren't even partying, Like this is us enjoying a meal. 555 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: I'm probably hungry because they didn't get any food of 556 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: the awards. 557 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: Well, actually think it's good that she did address the 558 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: rumors and flat out say no, there's no truth to that, 559 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: because sometimes when you don't comment, it looks like you're 560 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: trying to hide something. 561 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: I understand why she did it, because if that was 562 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: me and I'm like, this is completely untrue, I would 563 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: want to clear my own name. But I think it 564 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: just kind of made it go more viral and led 565 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: to further speculation. There was also a lot of negative commentary, 566 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: people saying that they were unhappy that Indie said she 567 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: was exhausted. One person wrote, you know, most of us 568 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: work almost every day every week, right, life out lad. 569 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: That comment got twenty five thousand likes on her own page. 570 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: That pissed me off, though, because I'm like, Okay, what 571 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: Indy's trying to say is in addition to her full 572 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: time job as a mother of three, which is the 573 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: hardest fucking job in the world, she also works as 574 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: a content creator and a stakeholder in a business, So yeah, 575 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: she would be bloody busy. 576 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: Adam Hyde's iconic performance alongside the Wiggles at the TikTok 577 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: Awards has been soured following the release of a backstage 578 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: TikTok video, Kate, can you tell us more well? 579 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: When vision from Adam's performance was shared across social media, 580 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: a lot of us had to do a double take 581 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: when Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom appeared on stage 582 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: next to Abby Chatfield. So Anthony joined in on the 583 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: bagpipes while Adam sung dancing too, while the Tree of 584 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: Wisdom was a backup dancer. 585 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: And was Abby playing the bongo drumson. 586 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just iconic. I mean that clip went 587 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: everywhere now. Following the Awards, Adam shared a video backstage 588 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: with Anthony and the Tree of Wisdom, and in the clip, 589 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: Adam is seen gyrating with just a towe on around 590 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: his waist while Anthony performed his signature wiggles fingers. Now 591 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: the Tree also did his special dance. The problem was 592 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: the clip was set to Adam's new single Ecstasy, so 593 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: in the chorus of the song, Adam sings, Hey, Gail, 594 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: come on dance with me, you and your pocket of Ecstasy. 595 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 4: Now. 596 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: Adam captioned the video the Wiggles get it now. 597 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: The backlash was very swift. People started accusing the Wiggles 598 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: of endorsing drug use. Wiggles ended up having to release 599 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: a statement saying they do not condone the use of 600 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: drugs in any form. The statement continued, the content being 601 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: shared was not created or approved by us, and we 602 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: have asked for it to be removed. While Kelly Holiday 603 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: in brackets Adam Hyde is a friend of the Wiggles, 604 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: the video and the music added to it were created 605 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: independently and without our knowledge. Our performance at the TikTok 606 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Awards was family friendly and fun, and this video was 607 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: edited together separately and without our awareness. 608 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: To Adam's credit, he ended up ut removing the video 609 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: from TikTok. 610 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about this day and age. 611 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: Even though he's removed it, there's been so many people 612 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: who've saved the video and screen recorded it. You can 613 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: easily find it. 614 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: Also with the video being removed, while you know, there's 615 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: some people resharing it. I saw these headlines and I 616 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, like, you know, we only 617 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: briefly read it. 618 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: I was like, were the Wickles caught. 619 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: Out doing drugs with Adam haydbackstage like that's what I 620 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: initially thought. I was actually telling Reesal like did you 621 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: hear about that? And he goes no, wasn't it just 622 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: a video with a song? And I was like, oh, 623 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: that makes more sense. But it seems like they were 624 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: completely unaware of the song that was actually going to 625 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: be put behind the vision. 626 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro was a notable no show at the TikTok Awards, 627 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: despite being nominated for Creator of the Year. Her absence 628 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: sent the rumor meal into overdrive, sparking some outlandish stories. Okay, 629 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: can you tell us more? 630 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: I had been waiting all day to see what Tammy 631 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: wore to the event. I was expecting and get ready 632 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: with me video and an outfit reveal at the very least, 633 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: But what I got was radio silence and when she 634 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: didn't appear on the red car. But I was really 635 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: thrown because it was clear she wasn't home on the 636 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: Gold Coast either. So Tammy's ex fiance and baby daddy, 637 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: Matt Paul, had been posting from their daughter Posey's dance 638 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: concert alongside his new fiance Analie's otway and Tammy was 639 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: nowhere to be seen. 640 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: Well Matt did point out that Analise did Posey's makeup 641 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: and got her ready for the event. 642 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: And I remember seeing this vision and thinking, God, Tammy 643 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: would be so sad to be missing out on this, 644 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: But she must be in Sydney for the TikTok Awards, 645 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: like that's clearly why she's not there. But of course 646 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: she ended up not being there. So Tammy's absence took 647 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people by surprise, particularly considering she was 648 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: part of the promo for the awards, not to mention 649 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: the fact that she was nominated for the biggest award. 650 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when people realized that Tammy wasn't at the awards, 651 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: rumors started swirling, in particular when people also noticed that 652 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: Tammy's ex husband, Matt Sakowski wasn't there. 653 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: Now whispers among the award attendees spread to the media, 654 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: and The Daily Mail started investigating a story that Tammy 655 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: was overseas filming for I'm a Celeb with Matt. They 656 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: actually got quotes from people at the event saying, oh, 657 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: that's what they had heard. 658 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Tammy added further fuel to the fire because she ended 659 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: up being mia from socials following the event. She only 660 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: ended up sharing some pre recorded Black Friday Sales content, 661 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: but apart from that, she didn't share where she was 662 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: or what she'd been up to. 663 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: And it seemed like this story about I'm asleb could 664 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: be true because Anna Lise also shared on social media 665 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: that she and Matt were looking after Posey full time 666 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: or Tammy was away for a month. I knew this 667 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: whole thing was bullshit though from the get go, because 668 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: Matt revealed on his podcast on Wednesday that he wasn't 669 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: invited to the TikTok Awards. 670 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that he wasn't invited, though he's only 671 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: got thirteen thousand followers on there, so he's not even 672 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: really a micro reinfluencer. 673 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: He still appears to be very much in the country 674 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, I'm aware that he could have 675 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: banked up some content to make it look like he 676 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: is still here, but he's been posting on his stories 677 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: quite a lot with his sister's Golden retriever and with 678 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: his manager. 679 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I found those photos interesting. So Matt is represented 680 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: by One Day Dream, which is a leading influencer and 681 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: talent agency and also a podcast network, and in the 682 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: series of photos, he and his talent manager, Jenna are 683 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: in the One day Dream office and Matt was poking 684 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: fun at Jenna for wearing a tie, and then they 685 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: recreated a scene from the office and I mean, side note, 686 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: these ties are apparently all the rage with Jens Edits. 687 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of influencers, including Saffron Baker, wearing 688 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: these when they're out and about, like she wore one 689 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: in Powis, as if it was this huge fashion moment. 690 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even going to comment on fashion 691 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: because I know, for at least a year now, I've 692 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: just predominantly been wearing leggings and. 693 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: Apparently they're out of fashion now as well. It's devastating now. 694 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: Aside from that, I just think it's really interesting that 695 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: Matt has been signed by a large agency like One 696 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: day Dream. It's not quite clear if this is a 697 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: new signing. I think perhaps he's been on their books 698 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: for a couple of months now. I mean, it does 699 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: make sense because his marriage to Tammy Hembro has obviously 700 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: helped lift his profile. But I was fascinated to see 701 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: how they described him on their website as talent, so 702 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're probably desperate to mention Tammy 703 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: in there. Fortunately for him, they didn't, so it read 704 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: Matt Zakowski, a standout from Love Island Australia Season two, 705 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: captivates with his cheeky charm and quick wit, earning himself 706 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: the runners up title. A family man, he enjoys time 707 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: with his sisters, NFL and horror films. I thought it 708 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: was funny that they mentioned that he continued passionate about health, 709 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: fitness and fashion. Matt divides his time between creating content 710 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: and modeling. Alongside Anna McAvoy, a former contestant and close friend, 711 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: he co hosts the podcast Whears Your head At, offering 712 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: insights into relationships, laughter, and advice from both gender perspectives. 713 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: That means it's a nice write up. I originally thought 714 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: that the woman in the photo with Matt was another 715 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: content creator or influencer. I didn't realize it was his 716 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: actual manager. And did you get a bit of like 717 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: flirty vibe between them? 718 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? I did, and that's why I took note of it. 719 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, well, she was a beautiful she's 720 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: a beautiful girl. 721 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 6: Yeah. 722 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: Well, I was like, is he posting this because he's 723 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: just signed with the agency. But then I had a 724 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: look and he wasn't actually no talent on. 725 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: No, he's been with them for a while. She's the 726 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: brains behind the fit checks that I see. She's you know, 727 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: the hand that you normally see in them, the gun hand. 728 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: Well, she obviously got him an invite to the Wicked 729 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: premiere as well, which seems to be up his alley 730 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: if he's into movies and movie reviews. 731 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: Well, getting back to where Tammy Hembro actually is. The 732 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: only element of truth to the rumors that were flying 733 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: around is that Tammy is in fact filming for a 734 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 2: reality show. It's not I'm a Celebrity though. Instead, she's 735 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: appearing on Channel nine's new show Shark, which started production 736 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: in the Bahamas a week and a half ago. Back 737 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: in October, we discussed how The Herald Sun had reported 738 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: Tammy's name was mentioned as a cast member on the 739 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: show during Channel nine's upfronts. I'm a bit disappointed because 740 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 2: I would much prefer to see her I'm a celeb 741 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: This show sounds a little bit weird. It basically puts 742 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: celebrities to the test by making them do a bunch 743 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: of challenges, which include close encounters with sharks. 744 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: It is a bit of a weird show. Didn't she 745 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: get some sort of diving thing recently? 746 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, in August she spoke a lot about doing a 747 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: scuba diving course, so it all makes a lot of sense. 748 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: And on Saturday, she finally addressed the speculation as to 749 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 2: why she didn't attend the awards. 750 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 11: Let's take a listen, guys, I'm so sad that I 751 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 11: have had to miss the TikTok Awards. I'm not home 752 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 11: at the moment, but yeah, I know I'm a little 753 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 11: bit mia, but I'll be back. 754 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: Well, I mean maybe she got the heads up that 755 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: she wasn't winning Creative the Year and thought, well, I've 756 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: got better and bigger things on. 757 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: Do you think they would have given her the award 758 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: if she couldn't attend, Like it wouldn't have been a 759 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: good look. 760 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't really think that she is TikTok 761 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: Creator of the Year. I mean, yeah, she lip syncs 762 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: to a few videos, and yes, she did drop the 763 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: bomb about her divorce on there, but I don't I 764 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: think that there's more worthy winners than her. 765 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 2: I mean, she was one of the only creator actually 766 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: knew who was up for the awards, so That's why 767 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 2: I thought she should have won. 768 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: But then again, that's the beauty of TikTok. Someone could 769 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: have three million followers and you've got no idea who 770 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: they are. It's whatever niche or algorithm you're being served up. 771 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: That is where we will leave things today. Thank you 772 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you 773 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make. 774 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 2: Sure you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify 775 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: If you do want to hear more from us, We 776 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 2: drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday. All the details 777 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: to sign up are in our show notes. 778 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded. 779 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: On the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 780 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.