WEBVTT - Can we support Autistic people better? 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.560 Already and this is this is the Daily OS. This 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.920 is the Dahlias. Oh now it makes sense. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.920 Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:18.919 the third of April. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.240 I'm sam, I'm emma. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.720 And this week the Federal government released a draft strategy 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.639 aimed at improving the lives of Australians with autism. It 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.040 comes after a twenty twenty two inquiry found that outcomes 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.280 four autistic people in Australia were unacceptably poor. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.159 So what does the strategy recommend and how could it 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.239 improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of Australians. In 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.720 today's deep dive, we're going to speak to the CEO 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.800 of Autism Awareness to find out more. But first, Emma, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.080 what is making headlines? 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.200 Four international aid workers, including an Australian, have been killed 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.920 by an Israeli air strike, according to a fish in Gaza. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.520 The workers were part of the World's Central Kitchen charity 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.080 located in northern Gaza. The charity said in a post 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:12.600 to X humanitarian aid workers and civilians should never be 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.520 a target. Prime Minister Anthony Alberanzi called the reports very 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.160 concerning in comments to the ABC and said the Department 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.360 of Foreign Affairs and Trade was urgently investigating. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.560 National house prices increased by an average of around twelve 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.720 thousand dollars or one point six percent in the first 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.360 three months of twenty twenty four. That's according to the 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.319 latest findings from property data firm core Logic. It's also 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.319 the fourteenth consecutive month property values have risen. Rents were 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.720 up two point eight percent in the last three months, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.120 with unit rent prices rising faster than housing rents across 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.080 the capital cities. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.680 The Democratic Republic of Congo has appointed its first female 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.400 Prime Minister, Judith Sumnwar Teluca, will take on the role 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:04.320 of PMS amid increased violence across the country. Teluka, an economist, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.720 was previously Minister for Planning. Speaking on national television, she 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.680 said she is aware of the great responsibility of the 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.480 role of PM and that she will work for peace 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.800 and the development of the country. There are over seven 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.320 million displaced people in Congo. According to the United Nations. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.360 And Today's Good News, free flu shots are now available 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.680 in Queensland ahead of the flu season. Queenslanders above six 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.359 months old will be able to access the vaccine at 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.880 local GPS and pharmacies. State Health Minister Shannon Fentamen said 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.720 that nearly all people presenting to hospital with the flu 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.239 last year had not been vaccinated, and that offering free 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.440 vaccines will aim to reduce the number of people in hospital. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:52.959 So am I. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.160 Yesterday we learnt that the government is looking to improve 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.600 the lives of Australians with autism through this draft National 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.200 Auto Strategy. But I want to back up a little 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.360 bit on this story. First, while autism is very common 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.040 and there's a good chance our listeners right now know 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.680 somebody with autism or have been diagnosed themselves, what is 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:12.520 it exactly? 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.440 Yeah, I'm sure most people have, as you say, heard 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.480 of autism or know someone with autism. But to be specific, 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.840 autism spectrum disorder, and that word spectrum is something that 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.639 comes up a lot in this conversation. Is a condition 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:32.840 diagnosed through developmental assessments and behavioral observations. So there are 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.520 about two hundred and five thousand Aussies who've been diagnosed 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.920 with autism, and it is important to note that autistic 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.360 Australians are almost eight times more likely to be unemployed 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.720 than the rest of the population. This is the kind 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:54.240 of key difference in outcomes that has inspired conversation and inquiry, 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.560 recommendations and now this strategy, this draft strategy we're talking 0:03:58.600 --> 0:03:59.200 about today. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.320 So we have the draft in our hands, we can 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.320 flick through it, we can read it. What does it 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:04.480 propose exactly? 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.280 Basically it is a huge document which identifies the key 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:13.080 challenges facing people with autism and from those challenges proposed 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.839 measures to improve their lives. So this is across key 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:22.120 areas ranging from social health, economic, educational, workplace outcomes. But 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.240 there is a lot there. So we really wanted to 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.440 talk to someone who understands this world, who knows their 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.520 staff when it comes to autism in Australia and the 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:36.680 importance of this strategy. So today we're talking to Nicole Rogerson. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.200 She is the CEO of Autism Awareness Australia and she 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.599 joins us Now. Nicole, thank you for joining us on 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:45.479 the podcast today. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.279 Welcome, Thanks so much for having me. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.480 So we're talking about the draft National Autism Strategy released 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.000 this week. What can you tell me very top line 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.040 about this plan? Why is it important? 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.280 Look, I think it's a really positive step. Australia needs 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.320 a national Autism strategy the same way it has a 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.320 national Disability strategy. A lot of other countries have them, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.800 and it's important to have an overarching idea of what 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.839 we know we need to do to improve the lives 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.200 of Australians with autism. In saying that, it is a 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.000 very big laundry list of things that, to be honest, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.520 we've known for a really long time were the issues. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.440 And I guess where I'm a little bit more focused 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.280 on is great to have a strategy, but how we're 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.360 going to execute on that, How are we actually going 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.159 to do it? Because it's a very complex document that 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.080 covers off an enormous amount of issues across a lot 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.120 of different areas. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.600 To understand the scope I suppose of the strategy you've 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.839 kind of touched on, I think maybe it would be 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.960 helpful for us to understand perhaps some of the challenges 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.480 that people with autism live with every day. Of course 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.120 it's a spectrum, but what are the kinds of challenges 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.080 that people in the community are facing and how does 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.720 that inform this strategy. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.960 Yeah, I think the challenges that they've really focused on 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.039 in this particular strategy are those of social inclusion, so 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.280 being included as a valued member of your community or 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.000 your school community, I think they're focused on mental health issues, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.039 which can be very difficult for people across the spectrum. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:24.280 And obviously access to employment is another huge effect that 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.719 it will have on individuals with autism. We know they 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.160 are eight times more likely to be unemployed. So there 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.320 are a whole range of really important and significant things 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.000 listed in this strategy. But it's more than that. It's 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.200 not just those things. It's housing, it's schooling, it's mental 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.360 health provisions. But how do we support people with autism 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.400 in a way that's appropriate for them as opposed to 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.839 potentially mental health strategies that might work with people without autism. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.600 You know, there's just so much complexity here. I think 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.920 the top takeaway is everybody in Australia who had any 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.440 views on this thought it would be a good idea 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:00.680 to come together have a strategy. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.680 They did that, Tick, let's. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.479 Consult with lots of people, lots of different groups so 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.680 everyone feels heard and the strategy was co designed. I 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.440 think Tick, they did that, what do we do about it? 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.480 And I think that's where I land. And this is 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.480 really just because I've spent twenty five years in this 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.240 sector and some of the issues that are listed in 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.480 this strategy were true when my son was diagnosed back 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.960 in nineteen ninety nine. So I can't help it to 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.960 be a tad cynical about all of a sudden our 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.920 ability to be able to tackle these things. But my 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.480 old lady citicism should not get in the way of 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.360 the fact it's a great strategy, Jock. It lists out 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:36.920 a lot of the things that we need to do. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.320 I'm just going to focus my organization's attention on making 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:41.800 sure we execute this strategy. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:47.320 One of the biggest issues in autism is always diagnosis, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.320 that first step or that first barrier to kind of support. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.280 Can you give us a bit of context on what 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.480 diagnosis looks like in Australia at the moment and why 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.200 that might not be working. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.440 It looks really differently depending on what age you're talking about. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.360 So we know we pretty reliably can diagnose children as 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.880 young as eighteen months to two years if the signs 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.000 are there. So if we're doing the right kind of 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.640 assessments at those ages, we can pick this up really early, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.000 and that is ideal to start early intervention as early 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.240 as we possibly can. But just meaning that if a 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.800 child has a developmental delay, the sooner we can catch 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.720 that delay up, that's what we want to do and 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.600 support that child the way they need support. The problem 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:32.160 then becomes some children with milder forms of autism, particularly 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.200 those in girls, may get missed at that age because 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.840 they might not be displaying some of the behavioral characteristics 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.800 that will go on to meet criteria for autism. Because remember, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.679 there's no blood test here, there's no way to find 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.200 out if you've got autism. It's really an observational diagnosis. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.840 So those kids can sometimes get missed until they go 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.320 to school. But then there's this another complete different cohort 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.200 who may be missed all together. And I think this 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.040 has been the biggest growth we've seen in autism diagnoses 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.640 in the last year, those of adults who have gone 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.360 through life and struggled with a number of things and 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.320 not really known what to call it, and then later 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.040 in life they find out that they actually meet criteria 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:10.480 for an autism diagnosis. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:15.200 So what does the strategy table about improving diagnosis, whether 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:21.480 that's improving rates, improving costs, access practitioners, what's it suggested. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.840 I think it's all on the table, and it's pretty 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.760 light on the detail. At this point in time. You know, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.800 there's a recognition that we need to do better. It 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.439 might be a discussion whether this becomes a medicare rebatable. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.559 There's sort of some early suggestions in there, but this 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.640 is by this strategy has not done a deep dive 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.160 in how to solve these problems. It is a list 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.520 of the problems and areas that we need to concentrate in. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.320 But again, it's never going to happen unless we have 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.640 an execution plan for this strategy. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:56.040 The strategy also touches on visibility and representation of autism 0:09:56.120 --> 0:10:01.839 in the national media sport arts. What is the importance 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.200 of visibility, Why is that included in this strategy? 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.640 What does that mean to the community. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.240 If you live with a condition, whatever it is, whether 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.920 it be autism or whatever your hasens to be, the 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.120 more society understands it, understands you and understand how it affects. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.480 You, the easier it is for you. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.360 You know, it's just as simple as that people will 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.840 understand where you are and having that visibility and to 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.439 be seen and to be understood is really important to 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:29.040 the community. But we've got big issues here. Representation is 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.760 not the thing that's getting in the way of actively 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.640 supporting individuals with autism. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.520 What happens next? 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:39.120 You know, there's this sort of feedback process, a public consultation. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.440 How does that actually work? 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.040 And if people are listening, who you know, either are 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.360 living with autism, love someone with autism, or in this 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.400 space and they feel your kind of frustrations, what can 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.240 they do about that? 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.000 Do you know? It's a really good question. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.640 And I know that what you said was right. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.360 People tend to think this is bureaucratic, that's a submission 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.800 into a inquiry, and that all seems hard and. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:00.480 I can't do it. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.240 What I would really encourage people to do is jump 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.120 on and read the strategy. And even if you can't 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.360 be bothered to do that on the government website, they've 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.719 actually got a great thing called an easy Read which 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.360 is designed for people with intellectual disabilities to be able 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.520 to read these reports. But I find them very helpful 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.440 for me too, So by all means, you know, have 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.160 a little look at it. What I would really encourage 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.120 people to do is if it all seems too much 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.600 and it's too big and the scope is too much, 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.920 just go back to the inquiry and give them your 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.800 thoughts on the bit that really matters. To you. So 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.880 if employment is your focus at the moment, just go 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.200 and write your story about what that's meant for you, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.840 what you find about the strategy that you think would work, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.240 what would really help you, or what you think might 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.400 be a bit silly. I think no submission is not 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.520 considered realistically. 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.560 What is the kind of timeline and process. Then you know, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.000 after we get the feedback submitted, public consultation is over. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.240 That closes at the end of May. What happens to 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:58.800 the strategy from there? 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.760 I think it gets panel beat it into a better 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.240 kind of looking document, and I think it will be 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.560 released by the end of the year. What I don't 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.800 want to happen is in six months, we get together, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.280 we talk about it to release, everyone pats itself on 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.040 the back, and it goes and sits on a shelf somewhere. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.720 I would like this to be a working living strategy document, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.400 and we split the list and you go and do that, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:22.920 and you do that, and you do that, and it's 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.360 an activity and we get it done and we start 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.840 chiseling away at some of these issues that we have 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.720 known for a long time were difficult for people with autism. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.319 There is honestly not a lot new in this strategy. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.920 We've known it now, it's what are we going to do. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.640 About it in five years time? 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.560 And considering the impact on your life and your son's 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.760 life being in this community. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.680 How would you like your life to change? 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.120 What are the sort of achievable short term goals that 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.520 maybe in five years time we get this awesome round 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.400 of lived experience feedback, we re polish the plan things. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.000 A legislator, the world is looking better. What does that 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.000 world look like to you? 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.240 Oh, that's so complex, And because to be honest, you know, 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.920 my family are some of the lucky ones. My son 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.680 is an absolute delight and through a lot of luck 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.720 and a lot of intervention and a lot of support, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.079 he has a really happy existence. And autism doesn't play 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.800 a negative role in our family. If anything, it's quite 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.920 a positive role. And so you've got to understand, autism 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.120 is my whole community, it's what I work with that 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.840 they're all of my friends, they're my my son's friends. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.520 You know, I live in this community twenty four to seven. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.880 So what I want at the end of all of 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.839 this is for everything to just be a little less 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.840 difficult for everybody. There are certain parts about autism that 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.240 we can't change. For some people, the sensory issues are 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.680 just too hard and living in a very loud, obnoxious, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.280 bright world is not something we can change for them. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.720 We can make some accommodations here and there, but I 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.959 can't change the world to easily make sure it accommodates 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.400 my autistic child in every way, shape or form possible. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.400 We have to be realistic about that. You can say 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.720 we need the world to accept autism. I want the 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.920 world to change to be more accepting. Okay, that would 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.120 be nice, but the world isn't accepting of lots of 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.680 different people actually, So we have to find ways to 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.719 support our loved ones in our community and inform our 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:20.120 institutions and our society so that that just makes those 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.400 interactions less and less fractious. And if we keep moving 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.360 towards that, and we keep understanding that it's not just autism, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.160 how do we feel about difference, How do we get along? 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.440 How do we stop yelling at one another? There are 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.400 so many areas that this kind of traverses a lot 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.200 of the problems that we're talking about. What we need 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.359 to fix here we need to fix more broadly in Australia, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.040 for those with mental health conditions and for those who 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.320 are finding modern society just quite frankly difficult. And I 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:47.640 think that's a lot of Australians. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.280 Now, thanks for that chat em, and thank you for 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.080 joining us on the Daily OS if you're interested in 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.920 learning more about the strategy and submitting public feedback. As 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.920 Emma and Cole discussed, there's a leak think in today's 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.560 show notes ullyak again in is tomorrow morning. Until then, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:09.680 have a great Wednesday. 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