Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week.
Speaker 2: They're right.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to TV Reload. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for clicking and downloading on today's episode with
Speaker 1: Fraser Luck from Melbourne Listings, which has already dropped its
Speaker 1: first episode on Channel nine. I've always loved these kind
Speaker 1: of shows because I think they're quite aspirational and the
Speaker 1: type of personalities that they seem to always get rub
Speaker 1: each other the wrong way, you know, to bring a
Speaker 1: bit of spice. I think Fraser is sort of cast
Speaker 1: to stir things up and it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: how the dynamics change over the first season. Fraser will
Speaker 1: talk about his time on Australian Survivor and how that
Speaker 1: prepared him for Melbourne Listings. We will talk about how
Speaker 1: the editing can make people different and if he thinks
Speaker 1: that he is always the same when in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. I will discuss the conflict of the show
Speaker 1: and if you need that kind of conflict to make
Speaker 1: these real estate shows pop. You will get everything from
Speaker 1: what he thinks of the rest of the cast. If
Speaker 1: he watches other shows for inspiration, especially these sort of
Speaker 1: reality shows, probably even get some comparisons of this show
Speaker 1: to LUTs Listing Sydney. There's actually so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: with so many inside revelations. So guys sit back and
Speaker 1: relax as we unpack the wonderful world of Melbourne Listing.
Speaker 1: How are you, Afraser? You well, I'm good. I am.
Speaker 3: I'm incredibly bored.
Speaker 2: I need the mental freedom, which is why Alex said, Hey,
Speaker 2: Ben wants to chat.
Speaker 1: I said, absolutely, I love a chat with you. But
Speaker 1: I asked a speak you. I could have talked to
Speaker 1: any of the others, but I chose you after watching
Speaker 1: a couple of the episodes. But because I went back
Speaker 1: and looked at und Looks of Survivor and chatted for
Speaker 1: Survivor and it was a good one. It I got ratings,
Speaker 1: so I was like, fraise, it's good for me.
Speaker 3: Good. I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to give you good ratings. It feels
Speaker 2: like a million years ago, but it wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 2: It was beginning of last year, right, it would have
Speaker 2: been February.
Speaker 1: What was that? Like, what's the recovery?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Because you know I always talk to people as soon
Speaker 1: as that the show's sort of done. Does that one
Speaker 1: of those shows where because I're kind of leading into
Speaker 1: what we're talking about today with this show, but curious
Speaker 1: about what that show did to you, like long term.
Speaker 3: Look, I was I was pretty fortunate.
Speaker 2: I had let's say, a follower base prior to Survivor,
Speaker 2: so it didn't really change anything. It wasn't like an
Speaker 2: overnight difference in terms of how people treat you or
Speaker 2: getting noticed or you know, people seeing you out in
Speaker 2: the street and whatever it might be.
Speaker 3: So that didn't really change.
Speaker 2: I think probably more the hangover of the show, to
Speaker 2: be fair, was more the kind of almost psychological part
Speaker 2: of it in terms of going from such an extreme
Speaker 2: environment back into reality, Like it doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 2: a big deal, and I was only a way for
Speaker 2: you know, just under a month, but that was a
Speaker 2: huge shock to the system.
Speaker 1: I remember doing competition based reality and then I'd go
Speaker 1: to parties like the months that followed, any I kept thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm going to nominate you. Four points penetrated my psychic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really just the psychology of how to fix you,
Speaker 2: because when you're on the island and Survivor, you become
Speaker 2: incredibly paranoid. You have to be you know, you're scheming
Speaker 2: everything and you're always kind of in this fight or
Speaker 2: flight mode, and that's probably the hard thing to kind
Speaker 2: of drop again trust people, Right, It's really hard to
Speaker 2: explain because you think everyone's out to get you and
Speaker 2: you kind of need to drop that realize no one's
Speaker 2: out to get you in the real world.
Speaker 1: Well maybe they are and this show, on this show,
Speaker 1: they are and they are. Like this is where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this because we are talking about this news
Speaker 1: show few and I was thinking about it's made by
Speaker 1: different people, so maybe people with different creatives behind the
Speaker 1: scenes can show you differently. Are we seeing a similar storyline?
Speaker 1: Like do you feel like these are two characters that
Speaker 1: we've seen on a show that have sort of been
Speaker 1: created in an edited afterwards? Or can you see yourself
Speaker 1: in both of these? Is this the same person.
Speaker 3: As far as myself?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, what's your watching both of these? Because I'm assuming, well,
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Listing Melbourne. Oh I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not as privy to, you know, watching
Speaker 2: the episodes as you, but I was part of it.
Speaker 2: It's very different to Survivor, right, where there's so many
Speaker 2: different characters and things happening that you don't know about
Speaker 2: that when you actually watch it back.
Speaker 3: There's a lot that you find out first time.
Speaker 2: In this being one of five, you're very present and
Speaker 2: you're very aware of the Even if there is something
Speaker 2: said behind your back, you've got a pretty good read
Speaker 2: on it, on what the situation is and what the
Speaker 2: play is. And at the end of the day, I've
Speaker 2: got to be able to read the play otherwise I'm
Speaker 2: not good at my job. So I think there's I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be shocked by anything that said or
Speaker 2: anything that happens. I think I'm really up to date on,
Speaker 2: you know, on the comings and goings of the show,
Speaker 2: and you know in any drama that that will play
Speaker 2: out because I was I was there in the field.
Speaker 1: But you're kind of the one that sets the cat
Speaker 1: amongst the pigeons, like as in so I don't know.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Tell me more?
Speaker 1: Well, like in episode one, you all go into this podcast,
Speaker 1: So this is very surreal. This might be very triggering
Speaker 1: some pts tell me, But like you're kind of the
Speaker 1: one that sort of stirs things up a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm with you, and I've only seen
Speaker 1: the first two episodes. I haven't seen the rest of
Speaker 1: them know how it turns out, but I do feel
Speaker 1: like you're a bit of the antagonist in a way,
Speaker 1: and I was curious.
Speaker 2: But potentially I think maybe that's more. I'm just direct
Speaker 2: and I'm just honest. You know, I'm not going to,
Speaker 2: let's say, just go with the flow for the sake
Speaker 2: of it or to make other people feel comfortable. I'm
Speaker 2: going to speak my mind. I'm going to be confident
Speaker 2: about it. That's how I've always been. And you know
Speaker 2: that may ruffle feathers, that may put some people aside,
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, with the people that don't
Speaker 2: really connect with that, do really love that you connect
Speaker 2: so much more deeply. And I've built some really amazing
Speaker 2: friendships off the back of this show.
Speaker 3: And that you know that that pod we.
Speaker 2: Recorded was the first moment for a lot of us
Speaker 2: to actually meet. You know, there was a pre prior
Speaker 2: relationship between Andrew and Nicole, but other than that, I
Speaker 2: didn't know any of these other guys whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Do you try and do some research on what you're
Speaker 1: going up against, like as in.
Speaker 3: How not not really, there's not there's not a lot there.
Speaker 2: You know, everything is so polished, everything's so bold in
Speaker 2: terms of how each of these individuals presents their brand
Speaker 2: that you're not too sure about what you're seeing online
Speaker 2: is actually the real them. So I just went in open,
Speaker 2: open minded, and willing to make a new friend, you know,
Speaker 2: and off the back of that, Yeah, my opinions may
Speaker 2: be very polarizing to some, but it will be loved
Speaker 2: by others. And I'd much rather be loved by few
Speaker 2: than be you know, mediocre or average to most.
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of why I like you, because you're
Speaker 1: you're the similar to me. You know, if someone comes
Speaker 1: into the room, trust as a frog, You're like, it's a.
Speaker 3: Frog, You're yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So talk to me about these people. What are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Are you getting along with them? Like what's
Speaker 1: the relationship? Like can you have a tryst on camera?
Speaker 1: Can you have the conflict and then do you put
Speaker 1: it to bed or do you find that it still
Speaker 1: plays out in your real life and you're secretly still
Speaker 1: holding some grudges?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know, like you've got to have a thick skin
Speaker 2: in our business. You can't let anything really get to
Speaker 2: you or bother you. I know who I am to
Speaker 2: a care I know the work that I put in.
Speaker 2: I feel very confident in myself and my abilities as
Speaker 2: an agent and outside of work, you know. So there's
Speaker 2: very little that I think anyone can really say to
Speaker 2: me that that's actually going to hurt or it's going
Speaker 2: to stick, or that I'm going to have grudges about.
Speaker 2: You know, months later they can throw whatever they want
Speaker 2: at me and you know, try and try and cut
Speaker 2: me down. But I think you'll see through the show
Speaker 2: that I would say, my positivity and my mindset wings out.
Speaker 1: It's kind of an inspirational aspirational show in lots of ways.
Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful with the way we showcase it.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to know about, like how you feel
Speaker 1: about their needing to be conflict? Do you think that
Speaker 1: there needs to be conflict and reality TV? I mean,
Speaker 1: would this show work if it was just an inspirational
Speaker 1: aspirational show where you walk got along look?
Speaker 2: I think I think it would to a degree because
Speaker 2: especially property is so such a big part of the
Speaker 2: Australian dream, right, you know, and owning your own home,
Speaker 2: that idea is kind of ingrained in a lot of family,
Speaker 2: a lot of people. So I think that you know,
Speaker 2: aspirational sort of, you know, that idealistic idea around some
Speaker 2: of the most beautiful properties being displayed in Melbourne and
Speaker 2: therefore Australia, people will always follow. But obviously that drama element,
Speaker 2: whether it's created or not, that'll keep people coming back.
Speaker 1: Well, I think sometimes we relate to it, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, we guess we have exactly
Speaker 1: in real life.
Speaker 3: Without that, it's almost surreal.
Speaker 1: But what they say about these shows, they're like on
Speaker 1: the Block, they're like, you know, you read people's comments
Speaker 1: online and they're like, oh, I'm not watching the Block
Speaker 1: anymore because there's too much conflict, you know whatever. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if there wasn't any of that conflict and you're removing
Speaker 1: a certain element of everyday life, you're kind of stripping
Speaker 1: it back, and then it's not real.
Speaker 2: It's not as interesting, it's not real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I very much agree with you, Ben. I mean, you've
Speaker 2: you've got a very interesting perspective considering you probably watch
Speaker 2: more TV than nine to nine percent of the population.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I watched too much television Melbourne's sort of showcased really
Speaker 1: well in this but it made me think about the comparison,
Speaker 1: because you know, if you live in Australia, if you're
Speaker 1: a Melbourneite, you know there's sort of a bit of
Speaker 1: a rivalry between Melbourne and Sydney. Yeah, so I'm so
Speaker 1: curious about your take on this. Do you think Yeah,
Speaker 1: better than Sydney.
Speaker 2: Absolutely wholeheartedly. I mean, look, you get battle to the
Speaker 2: ends of the earth, competing opinions where very different cities.
Speaker 3: There's no the place in Australia that I'd rather live.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm incredibly passionate about Melbourne.
Speaker 2: This is where I was born, this is where I've
Speaker 2: grown up, and you know this, this is I always
Speaker 2: have a really special place in my heart for Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Whether I live here permanently, you know, forever, you know,
Speaker 2: time will tell. But I think I think Melbourne's really
Speaker 2: special and I think it's irreplaceable.
Speaker 3: And we may not have.
Speaker 2: The dollar figures or some of the sort of record
Speaker 2: price has achieved such as Sydney, but I think it's
Speaker 2: a it's a beautiful place to live. And we often
Speaker 2: joke throughout the show that you know, Melbourne really is
Speaker 2: the sixth cast member.
Speaker 1: I always think that in shows, though, I always hope
Speaker 1: the friend's apartment as a character of itself. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think if New York is an apartment, new York is
Speaker 1: a character of sex and city, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's so, isn't it interesting how the space around
Speaker 1: you has its character almost just as predominantly as the
Speaker 1: feature characters, you know exactly. But I was going to
Speaker 1: say market wise, So you think Sydney is different probably
Speaker 1: because of the pricing. Do you think that it's sort of.
Speaker 2: Pricing is not the only difference. I mean, Sydney's Sydney's
Speaker 2: a different geographically too, you know, I think I think Melbourne,
Speaker 2: from what I understand, is a lot more condensed in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, you just sort of areas. Sydney's
Speaker 2: a lot more spread out. And it's interesting too. Obviously
Speaker 2: their culture and their environment is all surrounded by the
Speaker 2: water and beaches, etc. Melbourne doesn't have that to the
Speaker 2: same extent. Sydney is considered an icon on the map globally.
Speaker 2: You know, when people think of Australia, they probably think
Speaker 2: of Sydney first and foremost, and that brings a lot
Speaker 2: of it brings a lot of global attention, and I
Speaker 2: think off the back of that and that the history
Speaker 2: of Sydney as you know, as a city means that
Speaker 2: it does have these incredible price tags attached to a
Speaker 2: lot of its property, which is un incomparable.
Speaker 3: To the rest of Australia.
Speaker 2: You know, looking at what certain properties set can achieve
Speaker 2: there is insane, but just makes me believe even more
Speaker 2: that Melbourne provides so much better value for more livable city.
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'm you know, people accused me
Speaker 1: of it a lot, but I guess I spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time in different states. I'm in Queensland right now.
Speaker 1: People will be like, you're very protective of Melbourne. I
Speaker 1: just find that I enjoy the seasons of Melbourne. I like,
Speaker 1: I like to be able to go to the beach
Speaker 1: to our fiction and then I like the winter to
Speaker 1: put on a winter code and go and see a
Speaker 1: theater show. Do you more European than it does?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where I like the seasons. Did you watch any of
Speaker 1: like lux Listing Sydney or any it DIDs you did?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, look, I you know it's so funny
Speaker 2: years and years ago, Like I love watching Million Dollars
Speaker 2: in New York, which is the original right with Frederick
Speaker 2: Ecklund and Ryan Sahart and you know a few other
Speaker 2: people that have sort of come through the show cycled on,
Speaker 2: Cycled Off. But I definitely definitely watch a good few
Speaker 2: seasons of Lux Listing Sydney and have a lot of
Speaker 2: respect for you know, the cast that are on there.
Speaker 2: They've built incredible businesses and you know, absolute credit to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's really quite interesting when you
Speaker 1: look at those shows, because you can sometimes I watch
Speaker 1: television and sometimes I become the characters, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I was just curious about whether
Speaker 1: or not you're watching those sorts of shows and you
Speaker 1: find that you've become you become like the best parts
Speaker 1: of the people that you've liked across your eclectic version
Speaker 1: of vision of watching all of them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Look, you know what I think.
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting perspective, and yeah, I probably
Speaker 2: agree with that to a level because similar to how
Speaker 2: important your.
Speaker 3: Environment is in shaping the person that you are. If
Speaker 3: you're watching.
Speaker 2: Hours and hours and hours of television, right you're surrounding
Speaker 2: yourself with whilst it's fictional or whilst it's whether to
Speaker 2: movie or reality TV show, whatever, like, it has to
Speaker 2: impact your psyche and you know you're going to You're
Speaker 2: going to pick up different traits, characteristics, ways that you
Speaker 2: speak from these from these people, so it has to
Speaker 2: impact you absolutely.
Speaker 1: Is there a hangover for this show? We talked about
Speaker 1: a hangover from Survivor when you step when you find
Speaker 1: oh did you find yourself going oh, I'm not on camera?
Speaker 1: Because I mean I did. I did a show that
Speaker 1: was twenty four hours seven, you know, reality TV. Wow,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I would be good on
Speaker 1: one of them knows that they do reality now where
Speaker 1: the cameras are in front of you, I don't know
Speaker 1: be myself. So I mean there must be sort of
Speaker 1: a bit of a hangover. So then oh am I yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I know what you're Maane. No, no, no hangover.
Speaker 2: I think because it was such a long process, very
Speaker 2: different to the intensity of Survivor right where Survivor was
Speaker 2: like you're on and then it's just showtime until you're
Speaker 2: not here. This was a much longer process, you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of the actual timeframe filming, how long were
Speaker 2: you there for Well, look, you know we've been producing
Speaker 2: the show over over a year. Wow, well over a year,
Speaker 2: and the whole process of even you know, sort of
Speaker 2: the very beginning of getting involved in the show was
Speaker 2: more than a year and a half ago. Well you know,
Speaker 2: so this I found out about this before me and
Speaker 2: you even spoke, you know, way way back when. So
Speaker 2: it feels like, you know, quite a long process and
Speaker 2: something that you know has taken its time to produce
Speaker 2: something that's really I think is going to be incredibly
Speaker 2: entertaining and a lot of people are really going to
Speaker 2: love and enjoy.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you didn't win Survivor. I think that
Speaker 1: would have been weird during Yeah you know me then people.
Speaker 2: I'm not as glad that I didn't win, but half
Speaker 2: a million dollars yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that five hundred would have done well.
Speaker 2: But but no, Look, you know what, everything happens for
Speaker 2: a reason.
Speaker 1: So well, this could be your life now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like this, I mean, we could do
Speaker 1: see season two.
Speaker 3: We could roll through ten seasons baby, Like I'm on,
Speaker 3: let's go.
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope we're talking about this show in ten years.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean, like, I think it's
Speaker 1: a very different category of reality. It's sort of doco reality,
Speaker 1: which I think is becoming more and more popular. It's
Speaker 1: a good space for you to be and I think
Speaker 1: the characters in this are quite interesting. They're quite sort
Speaker 1: of polarizing in some ways, but also still you still
Speaker 1: like them for the vulnerability that you can see as well.
Speaker 3: And that's what we want. We want it to be.
Speaker 2: We want it to be vulnerable, we want it to
Speaker 2: be real, we want it to be you know, show
Speaker 2: it all right, it's not just you know, if you again,
Speaker 2: if you were just capturing that, you know, the glamorous moments,
Speaker 2: you know, the fist bumps and you know the celebrations,
Speaker 2: that would be a very very small portion of what
Speaker 2: is reality.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope people watch it. I hope people listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast are fascinated enough to go and check
Speaker 1: it out. I'm going to circle back, my friend and
Speaker 1: find out what you think about it once you've watched it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Look, I'm excited for it to air.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really special moment for Melbourne. I
Speaker 2: think Cattle nine have done incredible job and it will
Speaker 2: be a great show. And let's just say this, I
Speaker 2: am pumped and I am in if we're rolling on
Speaker 2: to a second season.
Speaker 1: I think it'll happen. I finished the podcast every time, like,
Speaker 1: tell me with a question of something that's behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: can you give me behind the scenes secret, something that
Speaker 1: we as a viewer wouldn't not watch the show, Like
Speaker 1: was there something there's something bizarre that happened along the way,
Speaker 1: or was there a routine that you had before you
Speaker 1: before it was magic.
Speaker 3: Time routine that I had.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Felicity Ward about the office and
Speaker 1: she would listen to music. That was the only reason why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it is. It is funny.
Speaker 2: I mean I would, I guess my routine is, you know,
Speaker 2: the days that we were filming, I would definitely I
Speaker 2: make sure every thing in terms of how I present
Speaker 2: myself and how I show up is as sharp as possible.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've already got it down fine tuned as
Speaker 2: an art form, but you know, I make sure, especially
Speaker 2: on those days, that I'm doing everything I can to
Speaker 2: be and the most positive and the most energized mindset possible,
Speaker 2: So you know, removing a lot of distractions, making sure
Speaker 2: I have a great breakfast, haircut, grimming routine, take it slow,
Speaker 2: like really enjoy things and stop rushing, and the just
Speaker 2: be you, you know, Like I hope that that comes
Speaker 2: across through the show, that I'm just being me and
Speaker 2: being the most authentic version of me possible.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what you just described then
Speaker 1: is like my friends that work in real estate, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like all my friends that you know,
Speaker 1: whether they're girls or guys, you know, the hair perf,
Speaker 1: the hair is sharp there, yeah, sharp, and even in
Speaker 1: the way that they socialize.
Speaker 3: Then I'm even sharper. That's the point why you're on
Speaker 3: a show exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: You're there and no one else. Mate. Congratulations on this.
Speaker 1: This is very exciting. In't wait towards the rest of
Speaker 1: the show, and I can't wait frustrate to fall in
Speaker 1: love with it and then circle back when we can
Speaker 1: talk to you once you've seen it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely amazing, great to chat. I really appreciate you reaching
Speaker 3: out