1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning a little bit more 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: gender balanced, I think you'd have to say this morning, 5 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: we've got the Deputy Opposition Leader, Jared Mayley. 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning to you. 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: We've got Robin Lamley from Well, the Independent member for 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Aralu and good morning, good morning. And we've got Kate Warden, 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: the Minister for Territory Families and various other things. 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 4: Good morning morning, Katie. 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Well and Matt. 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: Cunningham's kind of in between two microphones, but never afraid 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: to grab a microphone. I'd say, Matt, now there is 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: so much to discuss this week, but we might start 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: with the fact that there's been a lot of discussion. 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: I think you'd have to say about mandatory vaccines. We 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: know that obviously last Wednesday the Chief Minister Michael going 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: to reveal those changes are going to be made once 20 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory hits an eighty percent vaccination rate, and 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: some of those changes will include mandatory vaccines for workers 22 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: in high risk environments. Now, this really became quite a 23 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 2: point of contention. I think you'd have to say throughout 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: the week inside Parliament when the Chief Minister labeled the 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: COLP anti. 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: Vaxers after they hadn't sort. 27 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: Of I guess well, Jared, I don't know what you'd say, 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: hadn't confirmed whether you are are going to support mandatory 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: vaccinations or not. 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: I've got to say. 31 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: Though, I reckon it was probably a bit of a 32 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: distraction tool by the government to not answer questions on 33 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: the health situation that many people have been very concerned with. 34 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: But let's talk firstly about these mandatory vaccinations, Jared, do 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: the CLP support them? 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: Well, look what we're waiting for. We're waiting for some 37 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: health advice here. We've requested a briefing from the chow 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: with the Chief Health Officer about some health advice. We 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: don't want policy advice. We want health advice straight from 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: him or straight from the Deputy Chief Help Officer, because 41 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: we want to know from the horse's mouth about what 42 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: the health advice is about this. I am certainly not 43 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: a anti vaxxer. I'm for vaccinated. All our team are 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: all vaccinated, and I push out for anyone possibly get vaccinated. 45 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: Because that's our best defense for this virus. Then we 46 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: need to get that happening. I'm also very concerned whether 47 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: they're actually going to get that eighty percent rate in 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory because as we know, there's lots of 49 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: people who haven't had the vaccine and the Gunner government 50 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: aren't rolling it out. There's people out there in these 51 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: communities where there's been a very low uptake. We've had 52 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: months and months to organize this. I think we've had 53 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: COVID nineteen since twenty nineteen, we've had the vaccine all 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: this year. So I'm really concerned that the Labor government 55 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: haven't done or they can to get people vaccinated because 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: it is our last defense. 57 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know. 58 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: I guess the interesting thing though through the week was 59 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: not only did we see a situation where the Chief 60 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: Minister had obviously labeled the colp anti vaxxas, but he 61 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: also has launched a pretty stinging attack at his own party, 62 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: Senator Melanderry McCarthy. It does follow on from an interview 63 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: that she'd done with the ABC, as I understand it, 64 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: where I think that she had essentially said that you 65 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: know that she's pro pro people having the choice. So 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: in a statement though on Thursday night, mister Gunner said 67 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: that the Senator had misled him about her stance on 68 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: mandatory vaccination, and he said, I'm incredibly angry that, when 69 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: asked to clarify, Senator McCarthy made it clear to my 70 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: office she supported our mandatory vaccine policy, and that he's 71 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: since learned that she's failed to stand by that clarification 72 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: within the same day. To me, it has become quite 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: a bizarre situation where I don't really understand why the 74 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: Chief Minister is going down this path of calling everybody 75 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: anti vaxers that are talking about people having a choice. 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: I think Katie to be really fair either one way 77 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 5: or the other. That's it's just clear Cup, And it's 78 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: definitely clear Cup in my mind that either you're you know, 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 5: if you're sitting there saying that you're supporting pro choice, 80 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 5: then you're an anti vaxxer because let me, I'm to 81 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 5: finish here, because well, I don't think I think it's 82 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 5: back up completely with facts. So across Australia we've had 83 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 5: ten thousand young people, ten thousand kids under the age 84 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 5: of ten that have contracted COVID. Now what we're trying 85 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 5: to say and what we are saying, it's not trying 86 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 5: to say. We are saying that people that are going 87 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 5: to work once we hit that eighty percent and the 88 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 5: target is November. 89 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: We've been very clear on that. 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 5: People wanted a way forward and we've given them a 91 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 5: very clearly articulated way forward that when we hit that 92 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 5: eighty percent, which were the target is early November, that 93 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 5: everybody that works in those front line working with those 94 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 5: young kids that cannot get the vaccination, it's not about 95 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 5: the teacher. It's not about their choice anymore. It's actually 96 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 5: about protecting those young people. It's the same you know, 97 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 5: people that are working with people. 98 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: On the disabilities in my area. 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: It works. 100 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: You know, any of those areas ten thousand young people 101 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 5: under the age of ten across Australia Delta change things 102 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 5: and it's all based on science. So I mean, Jered, 103 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: you just said, you know you want to hear it 104 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 5: from the chow. The show is actually off at the 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 5: moment down in central Australia where we know there's bench 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 5: need to shake the change. 107 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: You're an anti. 108 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: Vaxxer and we want to get it done. He's been 109 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: away for three days with us. 110 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 6: Chain has a job screaming abuse at people, and you're 111 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 6: an anti vaxer. How helpful is that, Kate Rude. It's postractive, 112 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 6: it's not productive at all, it's insulted. 113 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 5: I think there's two sides to this year, either in 114 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 5: their supporting mandatory or you're not. You can't be in 115 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 5: the book it's fascinating and you're just trying to have Actually, 116 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 5: to me from from my perspective, I know that on 117 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 5: the phone lines and certainly from the messages that we 118 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 5: receive here at the radio station, there is an element 119 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: of the community that is anti vax There's no doubt about. 120 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: That, no doubt about it. 121 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: There's also an element of the community that is that 122 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: it's they need to be convinced, and I tell you what, 123 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: screaming at them, calling them anti vaxers does not convince them. 124 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: I actually think that if you want to win the 125 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: hearts and minds of people, you need to do it 126 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: in a constructive way and by really trying to yeah, 127 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: and by you know, trying to force something down their throats. 128 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: I like, I was sort of questioning throughout the week. 129 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: I didn't really understand why the Chief Minister had decided 130 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: to go on this sort of campaign where he was really, 131 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, very angry towards anybody who didn't agree with 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: exactly what he was saying, and the large majority of 133 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: the community actually does agree that we need to be 134 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: vaccinated and they do feel as it. 135 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: Has to happen. 136 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: You know, look, definitely I'm pro vax. I've had both 137 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: of my vaccines, so there, you know, there is no 138 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: way that I'm anti vax. But I've definitely got members 139 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: of my family that are on the fence. 140 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 4: Katie. 141 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: You yeah, I've got young children, but I. 142 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: Tell you to vaccinat Yelling at someone that they need 143 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: to be vaccinated and that they're anti vax because they're 144 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: unsure has actually probably made them go a step backwards 145 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: where they're thinking, why is the government trying to force 146 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: me into this? 147 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: Brilliant I think that people have had a lost time 148 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 5: with a lot of information. 149 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: When did the government got to hide the one hand 150 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: over that you're the show for us to get some 151 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: health advice. We don't want policy advice. So what is 152 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: what is the motive for this? Why what is there 153 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: out there that's mean hidden from the public. Why won't 154 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: the labor government come out and be open and honest. 155 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: They're they're going to be open and accountable. 156 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 6: Well so, my theory is that the exhibition we saw 157 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 6: in Parliament, the Chief Minister going hysterical and calling people 158 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 6: anti vaxes, is all about his fear of the fact 159 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 6: that come Christmas, the Northern Territory will still be locked 160 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 6: out from the rest of the country because we have 161 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 6: large groups of people, mainly in remote parts of the 162 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 6: Northern Territory that are not vaccinated. And I'm sorry, Kate, 163 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 6: but yelling abuse and screaming anti vaxes at anyone at 164 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 6: this point in time is not going to change that. 165 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 5: Well, I think that you know, you've just that argument. 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 5: It's you know, it's just going around and it's circular. 167 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 5: But essentially, you know, we've got you keep saying that 168 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 5: the you want the chow, you want the chow. 169 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: The chows actually actually. 170 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 5: Are doing the work, very work, Robin, that you're saying 171 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: down in Central Australia. 172 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 6: It's the Chief man is telling greeting abuse at people 173 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 6: in the chamber. 174 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 3: It's about education, about being educated. We can't have people 175 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: out there yelling and screaming anti facts because if you're 176 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: on the fence, like you said, Katie, and someone they're yelling, 177 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: I'll go, well, maybe I'm not going to do this 178 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: because there's got something to hide here. What's going on. 179 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: It's not about yelling and screamings about education because we 180 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: need people vaccinated full stop. That's the bottom line, as 181 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: many as possible, and anyone who and my children are young, 182 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: as soon as they're eligible, I'm going to give my 183 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: kids up. You're their vaccination as well, because the more 184 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: the Meria we need it happened, we need it done 185 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: as soon as we can. And I'm really worried about 186 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: I'm really worried in the labor government aren't educating and 187 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: aren't getting these vulnerable people vaccinated so when we're going 188 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,119 Speaker 3: to hit this O e percent. 189 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: Coming in. 190 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 7: I agree with Kate at one level that I do 191 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 7: think it's important that people who are working in remote 192 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 7: areas with vulnerable people are vaccinated. 193 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: And I don't think that we all agree with that. 194 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 7: I don't. 195 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 8: I don't think that's. 196 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 7: An unnecessary or unreasonable request. What has really concerned me 197 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 7: this week is seeing comments from community leaders, both politicians 198 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 7: and other community leaders that are that in some cases 199 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 7: are so stridently anti vax you know, the stuff we 200 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 7: saw from the priests from the Greek Orthodox Church, the 201 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 7: stuff we saw in that letter from the Caliminian Brotherhood 202 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 7: just actually blows my mind that people. I just I 203 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 7: find it as almost at one level, it's sort of 204 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 7: a fascinating social phenomenon that's going on. 205 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 8: Like, how how have we got to a. 206 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 7: Point where people can believe these things that are so 207 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 7: clearly and so obviously untrue. You know, this this conspiracy 208 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 7: theory that the government was going to send us into 209 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 7: a lockdown for you know, two months and blame it 210 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 7: on you know, the Greek Church unity. It's just it's 211 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 7: just bizarre, beyond bizarre, and yet we live in a 212 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 7: world now where there's a significant number of people who 213 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 7: actually believe that. 214 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 8: I just worry about what society's coming to. 215 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 7: And then you look at what we're seeing on the 216 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 7: streets of Melbourne as well, where you've got you know, 217 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 7: they blame it on far right extremists, but it's not 218 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 7: just far right extremists, it's far left extremists as well. 219 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 7: There's a lot of similarities between the far left extremists 220 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 7: and the far right extremists at the moment, and you 221 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 7: just see those extreme views that are being pushed and 222 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 7: promoted on. 223 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 8: Social media as well. 224 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 7: I just I find it just absurd that we're in 225 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 7: this situation where if we all went out and got vaccinated, 226 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 7: we'd have a way out of this, and yet it's 227 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 7: see our own resistance that's stopping us. 228 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: But then we're also like, I think the part that 229 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 2: you actually pointed out just a couple of moments ago, 230 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: Robin is a really important one that then we are 231 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: all waiting to get to this eighty percent vaccination right now. 232 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: I know that it was raised with me a little 233 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: bit earlier in the week, believed by Greg Island from 234 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: the Chamber of Commerce, wanting a bit more information about 235 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: this traffic light system where we go from green to 236 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: amber to read with different different states and different locations 237 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: based on the COVID cases in other places. Now, we're 238 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: obviously all waiting until we get to eighty percent before 239 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: that system kicks in. But what are we going to 240 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: do when if, as the dougherity modeling suggests, the other 241 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: parts of the nation do open up, they reach that 242 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: eighty percent vaccination rate, they open up and there is 243 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: still going to be COVID in the community. Are we 244 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: going to wind up here in the Northern Territory where 245 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: even if we do reach the eighty percent VAX rate, 246 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: where we're closed off to those other places because there 247 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: is in the community. 248 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 6: Of what's coming. 249 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: And I just feel sorry for the tourism operators, the 250 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: people up here who've got these small businesses right across 251 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: the territory who are waiting on these people to come in. 252 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: Because we all know the international market is going to 253 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: be closed with well, but the Australian markets there's going 254 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: to be a drive market. We need to get on 255 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: the board and we need to get those people into 256 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: the territory as soon as we can. I think that 257 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: don't do it safely though. 258 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 5: We do need to do it safely, and I'm really 259 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 5: glad you added that, Jared, because essentially, you know, once 260 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 5: you're i mean, the road map out actually indicates you know, 261 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 5: if you'veaccinated, to go back to that if you' vaccinated, 262 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 5: we've got a lot more freedom. 263 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: So you know, you're going a lot so we're going. 264 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: To business that you can go, you can keep training business. 265 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: But it does also say that with those other states 266 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: if they are amber or read that obviously, we're not 267 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: going to be letting them in and we're not going 268 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: to be able to travel into them. And that's where 269 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: I'm wondering what the next steps are because if in 270 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: around the rest of Australia there's COVID around the place, 271 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,359 Speaker 2: are we going to wind up lockdown? 272 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 8: I think. 273 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 7: I think the plan that was announced last week is 274 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 7: certainly a long way ahead of the plan that some 275 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 7: of the other states have got. Queensland Anastagia Palichet is 276 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 7: out this morning refusing to say when Queensland will open 277 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 7: its borders. Wa sounds like it wants to break off 278 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 7: from the rest of the country and stop anyone ever 279 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 7: coming in there again. So I think at least we've 280 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 7: got some kind of plan. 281 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: Now. 282 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 7: My understanding from my sources within the government, and Kate 283 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 7: can correct me if I'm wrong, is that they're working 284 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 7: towards a system so at eighty percent they're talking about 285 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 7: this traffic light system where if you're from a red zone, 286 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 7: which is presumably what Sidney your album will be at 287 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 7: the moment, you've got to go into home quarantine if 288 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 7: you're fully vaccinated for two weeks, and if you're unvaccinated 289 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 7: you can't come in. But I think I'm told they're 290 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 7: working towards a system where you would get tested. If 291 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 7: you test negative before you get on the plane, you 292 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 7: can come and you would then do a rapid PCR 293 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,119 Speaker 7: test at the airport when you arrive. 294 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 8: And then you would be free to go into the community. 295 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 8: They haven't articulated that yet. 296 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 7: That my understanding is that that is what they are 297 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 7: working towards, and I think that that would be a 298 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 7: good idea. Maybe Kate can tell us whether that's true. 299 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 5: No, I think what's been articulated so far is that 300 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: you know, if you go somewhere. Of course I don't 301 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 5: know about the rest of you in the room, but 302 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 5: if COVID's in a particular hot spot, I'm not traveling there. 303 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 5: I mean, that's the travel choice. They're the choices that 304 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 5: is our world now the week when you travel. 305 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: But when we're vaccinated. 306 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 5: If you're vaccinated and it becomes a hot spot, then 307 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 5: on your way back. But it does say home quarantine 308 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 5: until you're. 309 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 8: That's all the current plane. 310 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it also it's home quarantine. 311 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 5: Hang on if I finish, it's home quarantine until you 312 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 5: have that test. So whether you have that test at 313 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: the airport or at home. I think that's that's as 314 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 5: usure and we get. 315 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: Eighty percent. That's correct, and so that's what we have articulation. 316 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 6: And that there lies the problem getting to that eighty percent, 317 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 6: particularly in Central Australia, we are not going to get 318 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 6: to eighty business. 319 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 4: There's a six week push right now for all. 320 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 7: Of those so you have there was there was data 321 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 7: that the ABC put out this work that shows the 322 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 7: NT is on track to be the last jurisdiction to 323 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 7: reach eighty percent double vase. So well, it was sort 324 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 7: of looking at mid November. But you know, we've heard 325 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 7: a lot of retrick about us being the best and 326 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 7: being on track and going really well. I think we're 327 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 7: probably lagging as far as the vaccination. 328 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 5: That we had to see the figures get to a point, 329 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 5: and I think that point was around sixty to seventy percent. 330 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 5: When you see those figures, you can actually see where 331 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 5: the low points are because the data that you actually 332 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 5: get back from into the system wasn't as accurate to. 333 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: Show you on that community. That community, that's what we need. 334 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 5: So we've got that sort of stuff coming through now 335 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 5: and right now we've got a six week push which 336 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 5: is where Hugh Heggy is at the moment, And can 337 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 5: I just clarify something to Jared. You've sent a couple 338 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 5: of times that you know you want advice only from 339 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: the Choe, So let me just clarify that for you, 340 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 5: what you're refusing to have is advice from Frank Daly, 341 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: who is our who is the Choe's boss, but is 342 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 5: also a doctor in his own right. So all our 343 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 5: policies that we're rolling out are informed by the Choe, 344 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 5: informed by health. So I just want to clarify that 345 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 5: we are refusing to meet with anybody other than Hugh Haggy, 346 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 5: but in fact you have a met briefing and that 347 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 5: briefing is with Hugh Heggey's boss, who's also a doctor. 348 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: You're exactly right. We want what you've got. We want 349 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: health advice, and we want it from the Chow. There's 350 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: not much to ask. He's only been away for three days. 351 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: We've asked his ten working, could you work? Because the 352 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: labor government haven't done that job and educated these communities 353 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: that we've. 354 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: Reached a point. 355 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: And I know I say this quite and on this show, 356 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: but it really boggles my mind very often, how deeply 357 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: divided the community becomes because we you know, we really 358 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: let politics come into play so heavily in different really 359 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: important things. And I do think that this vaccination rate. 360 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: Oh hang on, Matt cunning AB's got two microphones now. 361 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: But when we talk about this vaccination rate and we 362 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: talk about trying to make sure that you know that 363 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: everybody comes along for the journey and that we do 364 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: get to that eighty percent rate, I actually think that 365 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: everybody needs to have that health advice, you know, whether 366 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: you're talking about the COLP, whether you're talking about the 367 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: Labor Party, whether you're talking about territorians, because that is 368 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: what we do lack in different ways, and that I 369 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: think is sometimes where this does all get a bit 370 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: a bit muddled up, and people get confused about whether 371 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: they do want the vaccine, whether they don't want the vaccine. 372 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: If we're hearing that health advice a little bit more 373 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: often rather than wrapped in a political message from the 374 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: Chief Minister, they may actually be a bit more open 375 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: to us. 376 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: I think we've been very clear on the roadmap. Look, Katie, 377 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: very clear. 378 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the vaccination and about actually speaking to 379 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: the health officials about it and hearing it from the 380 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: health officials rather than getting that political. 381 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 7: Still the most important bit of health advice, though, Katie, like, 382 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 7: let's put all of the politics aside and all of 383 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 7: the stupid yelling and screaming that goes on in question time. 384 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 7: There's one important message here, and there's not a single 385 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 7: respect to a health official who will just disagree we 386 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 7: need to get vaccinated. 387 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 8: Just go out and get vaccinated. 388 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 7: It's that easy, and that you know, we want our 389 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 7: old life back, that's what we need to do. I 390 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 7: find it just remarkable that at the moment it's our 391 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 7: own resistance that's stopping us from getting where we need 392 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 7: to be. 393 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 6: But do you know it's interesting, Matt. The flip side 394 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 6: to that is that there are people that don't mind 395 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 6: this new life that's come about through COVID, that they 396 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 6: don't want to travel to Bali or Sydney for their 397 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 6: holidays or wherever. They're quite happy to just keep living 398 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 6: the way they're living. And they're the people that you've 399 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 6: got to get over the line, not by accusing them 400 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 6: of being anti vaxes, but hating them like you Heggy 401 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 6: and the Police Commissioner have been doing this week, not 402 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 6: by abusing them, or weaponizing the whole issue like we 403 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 6: saw in Parliament this week, but just through simple education 404 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 6: and good communication, I think. 405 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: People got education. It brings to mind what is going 406 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: to got to hide? Why want to get that health 407 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 3: advice out to us, to the average punchery out there 408 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: in the street. What is going to go to being hidden? 409 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: Why doesn't that health advice come out? 410 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: Just get there's your message, Just get vaccinated. If you 411 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 5: need more than that, I'm not sure how much more 412 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 5: with people in communities need more than that. 413 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 6: They need to be nurtured and have a lot of women. 414 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 6: We're putting that message over the. 415 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm just going to make the executive decision to turn 416 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: those mics down and head to a break. You are 417 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: listening to Mix one O four point nine three sixty. 418 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: It is the week that was, its anti well, you 419 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: are listening to the week that was and joining us 420 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: in the studio this morning, Malee, Matt Cunningham, Robin Lamley 421 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: and Kate Warden And obviously Parliament did sit during the 422 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: week and one of the areas that the COLP did 423 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: try to focus on was the health system and it 424 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: is something that we've spoken about very extensively on this show, 425 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: which is why I think that it is imperative that 426 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: we talk about it again. Some questions like how long 427 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: are people on those weight lists for when it comes 428 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: to elective surgeries and how badly have they been delayed? Matt, 429 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: This is obviously something that you'd written a few articles 430 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: about last week. We also spoke to one of our 431 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: regular listeners, Keith towards the end of last week, who 432 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: was in an ambulance outside of Royal Darwin Hospital. Obviously 433 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: the ambulance is ramping there and really it does point 434 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: to something that cath Hatcher had spoken to us about 435 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: last week about the hospital system being at crisis point, 436 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: but also there been some real issues out in the 437 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: remote communities and other areas as well when it comes 438 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: to staffing. It's something that's not going away, and it's 439 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: also something that throughout that roadmap that the Chief Minister 440 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: obviously unveiled, he did say that our health system is 441 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: in a situation where it would not cope if we 442 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: have COVID in the community, which is a real worry. 443 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: He'd even gone so far as to reveal how many 444 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: intensive care beds or how many places we would have 445 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: if people needed respirators and that kind of thing. 446 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was eight, So it's a very low number. 447 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: There is no doubt that the hospital system and the 448 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: health systems already under stress. I you know, I was 449 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: a bit disappointed, I've got to tell you through the 450 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: week then to hear when those questions were being asked 451 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: that it turned into that real debate about anti vaxes 452 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: because I actually think that they're questions that a lot 453 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 2: of everyday territories want to know the answers to, particularly 454 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: if you have somebody who's waiting for an aged care bed, 455 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: for example. And that's something that we spoke to the 456 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: Health Minister, Natasha Files about earlier in the week, and 457 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: she had said on this show, she'd revealed on this 458 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 2: show last Friday that there's sixty provisional beds that are 459 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: going to be coming online for age care, but then 460 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: she admitted through the week on the show that there 461 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: are a couple of years away. 462 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: So we've got a real you know, it is a 463 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: real concern right now. 464 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: And I know that the age care beds fall under 465 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: funding falls under the federal Health or the federal government, 466 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: but it's you know, it is it would be absolutely 467 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: devastating if you had an elderly parent right now waiting 468 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: for a bed. I've heard from people who've got parents 469 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: who've been on wait lists for two years it's now 470 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: come to that time where they need a bed and 471 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: they're not able to get one. 472 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the questions that we ask in Parliament, we don't 473 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: just make them up. They come from people coming into 474 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: the doors, coming into the and talking to us when 475 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 3: I'm going shopping or out in the community. So these 476 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: questions are questions that people in the community want answers to. 477 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: And unfortunately the display from the Labor government. I asked 478 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: a question about the elective surgeries, there is no answer 479 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: to that, and you are asked it twice and at 480 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: another time and there's still no answer to that. So 481 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 3: it's really concerning that these questions don't get answered and 482 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: we come back with some sort of spin and we 483 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: accident there's any vaccing being yelled. We've asked a very 484 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: simple question about health. And remember I accepted the age 485 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: cares funded by the federal government who but basically they 486 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: give the anti government a whole bunch of money and 487 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: they look after it. And then so my cynical mind 488 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: might think if these agecare people are sitting in the hospital, 489 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: they still get the federal money for the age care, 490 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: but they don't provide it. So maybe the government's getting 491 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: I'm just can I finish, so maybe that the federal 492 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: government's giving the anti the money to put these age 493 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: cares into beds. They haven't done that, They still get 494 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: the money and they put the age care into the hospital. 495 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 5: I think that's really a very sympstic condition, genous, genuous 496 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 5: look at it. The federal government is responsible for age 497 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 5: care here. You don't see them building aged care. They 498 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 5: give the program money for assisting and caring for those people. 499 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 5: And my understanding is that if you've got a person 500 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 5: in age care that is in a hospital system, they 501 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 5: are well cared for with that money. The provision of buildings, 502 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 5: I think one of the things that you have to 503 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 5: look a bit more broader. This is not just about 504 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 5: you know, we've got sixty beds that are blocked up. 505 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 5: Is we have to do something about that, and we 506 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 5: have a plan now to do that. And the Healthfulness 507 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 5: has said that people are staying longer in the Northern Territory. 508 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 5: I think that it used to be that you'd get 509 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: older and you'd move away. So we've got a lot 510 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: more older people. And this is what I'm being told. 511 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 5: I'm not saying, they're not just making this up on 512 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 5: the spot. People are staying here longer. And then these 513 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: people that are in there, we're not talking about you know, 514 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 5: you're eighty year old, that can no longer. We're talking 515 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 5: about people with dementia. We're talking about that need that 516 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 5: twenty four hour a day care. That isn't the purview 517 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 5: of the federal government. They've now come to the party 518 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 5: they're going to build something. But there are some really 519 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 5: good partnerships. Over the last few years. I've had quite 520 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 5: a few people, so they're really interested in this space 521 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 5: for building aged care and then they can get that 522 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 5: funding from the Feds to do that. Those I've not 523 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 5: seen those get up and a lot of that, and 524 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 5: I think the Chief Ministers said now that we'd be 525 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 5: very happy to give up some land or work with 526 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 5: them for some land around providing that age care beds. 527 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 5: From my mind, we just get on and do it. 528 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: To be fair. 529 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: Though we actually were talking about this on either last 530 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: time there was a Code yellow, not the most recent 531 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: one this year, but I mean, like about a year 532 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: ago when there was a code yellow and we're talking 533 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: about the age care beds back then. And so, as 534 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: I'd said to the Health Minister earlier in the week, 535 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: you know, what do we do in the meantime, Like 536 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: what do those families do in the meantime when it's 537 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: not as if this issue is just crept upon us. 538 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: It's something that's been bubbling along for quite some time. 539 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: And I know that there's plenty of different elements. I'm 540 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: certainly not a health professional. I don't know how you 541 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: fix these issues, but we can't sort of just you know, 542 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: fumble along the way that we are currently and can 543 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: continue to be in the situation that we are with 544 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: our health system. And these are not my words, these 545 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: are the words from the nursing Union last week that 546 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: the health system is at crisis point. 547 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: I just remember the labor government have been in powerful 548 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: like seventeen of the last twenty one years. We know 549 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: we had four years of the COELP, so there's been 550 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: a lo long time to fix. 551 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 8: Blaming. 552 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: The government has. 553 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 5: Been in power for quite some time too, and they. 554 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: Don't see them stopping territoris. 555 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: I'm talking about eight we're talking about aged care, which 556 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: is in the purview of the federal government. 557 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: And what have they done for the. 558 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 3: Church to give you the money? 559 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 5: Perhaps tomorrow, Jared, you can go and have a chat, 560 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 5: do you make Colbeck and say, look, can you. 561 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 4: Escuss this. 562 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: Age they did? 563 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 6: And because of all these sorts of problems, can I 564 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 6: just put on the record here that in Alice Springs 565 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 6: we have one mainstream age care facility that is currently 566 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: being sanctioned by the federal government and from about two 567 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 6: months ago to the end of January, they are not 568 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 6: taking any new residents, which means that anyone who has 569 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 6: a family member or themselves requiring age care, they either 570 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 6: stay at home or they go under the Alice Springs Hospital. 571 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 6: So if you're talking about a crisis, here is an 572 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 6: other one. 573 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do just sorry, Matt, that's extraordinary. Well, yeah, unbelievable. 574 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: It is unbelievable, and it's incredibly well and it's not 575 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: only I think that you know, at the end of 576 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: the day, we're not just talking about those age care beds, 577 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: so we're also talking about those mental health beds. 578 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 5: Matt. 579 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: That's something that you've reported on pretty extensively. You know, 580 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: the shortage of those mental health beads and mental health 581 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: patients then being in the emergency department at different times. 582 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: We know that we've got half of a surgical ward. 583 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: As I understand it, being utilized to house those that 584 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: should realistically be in a facility that's actually going to 585 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: help them, you know, rather than being in a bed 586 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 2: where presumably they're not doing any sort of activity or 587 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: exercise to help them with their mental health concerns. 588 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think what we're also seeing, Katie, I 589 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 7: mean the people I talk to, so the situation right 590 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 7: now in our hospital system. I know it's always pretty bad, 591 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 7: but at the moment, it's worse than it's ever been. 592 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 7: And those staff, that's the real issue. The staff who 593 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 7: work there are at absolute breaking point. You know, we're 594 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 7: hearing about nurses having to work eighten hour shifts. We're 595 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 7: hearing about people being totally stretched across two hospitals, sorry, 596 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 7: two campuses of the one hospital. You know, their resources, 597 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 7: you know, stretched in just an absurd way. Now, my 598 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 7: understanding is that there was that meeting held a couple 599 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 7: of weeks ago where you know, there was a plan 600 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 7: that was going to be developed as to how they're 601 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 7: going to deal with this I think the health departments 602 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 7: due to report back on that plan by the end 603 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 7: of this month, so it will be interesting to see 604 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 7: what solutions they come up with. 605 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 8: It will also be interesting to see. 606 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 7: Whether the government's going to be willing to be public 607 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 7: with what those solutions are and what's being done. Jared, 608 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 7: I absolutely understand your frustration when it comes to not 609 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 7: being able to get an answer to a question, because 610 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 7: when we, you know, send questions to ministers or government departments, 611 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 7: you know, it often takes days for them to respond, 612 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 7: and then the questions that we asked are usually not 613 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 7: answered at all. Instead, what what you sent is some 614 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 7: bit of spin that they've spent three days trying to 615 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 7: cook up, you know, and then getting signed off by seven. 616 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 8: It is. It is, and it's not offensive. 617 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: To us asking yes to it. 618 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 7: It's offensive to the people who deserve to have that information. 619 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 7: You know, this government, before they came to power in 620 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 7: twenty sixteen, made all these promises about openness and transparent 621 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 7: and accountability, and they've all gone out the window, you know, 622 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 7: like they just don't seem to care anymore. It's all 623 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 7: about managing the message and making sure that I refused that. 624 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 5: Matt and I think that you know, all of those 625 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 5: questions that go out to the media do come via. 626 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: I have a look at them and chat with them 627 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 5: and change them and do all those sorts of things myself. 628 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 5: But I try to be as absolutely as transparent as 629 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 5: we can, certainly out of my office. I'm specting that's. 630 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 7: Fair, Kate. I would say that you are a rare, 631 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 7: rare exception in this case, but some other offices, it's 632 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 7: just it is. 633 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 8: It's offensive what. 634 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 6: We saw in Parliament on Wednesday, all those questions the 635 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 6: Opposition were asking about health. The response was, you know, 636 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 6: just a bunch of anti VAX's. It was a distraction. 637 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 6: The Chief Minister and the lead of Government Business became hysterical. 638 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 6: They would not answer those questions at all. And it 639 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 6: was offensive because they were good questions. The day before, 640 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 6: the opposition asked a whole bunch of questions about crime 641 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 6: which were not being answered to anyone satisfaction by the 642 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 6: Minister for Police. The same thing. It's about spin and 643 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 6: not answering the question. And I know that's what Question 644 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 6: time is about, to some extent the RGI bargie of politics, 645 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 6: but it does become incredibly offensive. I spat the dummy 646 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 6: on Tuesday. I couldn't cope with the lack of respect 647 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,239 Speaker 6: for what I saw for people that are affected by 648 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 6: crime on Tuesday. It was really awful. 649 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I've also noticed. I mean, I 650 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 7: didn't tune in directly this week, but I saw the 651 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 7: TV reports having watched Parliament recently, and it always is 652 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 7: argie bargie. Yeah, I reckon from both sides. There's a 653 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 7: real lack of respect for the position of the speaker 654 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 7: in the Parliament. 655 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: Actually, Kesier actually stood up and made a point of 656 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: that earlier in the Will yesterday, I think it was, 657 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: and said that there was a real lack of respect 658 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: for the speaker's position, and I noticed it myself when 659 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: I was watching. I thought, she's literally had to actually 660 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: pull well both sides of Parliament up here on a 661 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: number of occasions. But she'd asked the Chief Minister to 662 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: withdraw a comment about anti vax and he refused to 663 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: Like to me, I actually think people expect better behavior. 664 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: And then at one point she welcomed a young person 665 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: who was doing work experience in someone's office, a school student, 666 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: and I thought, goodness me, that poor kid standing there 667 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: or sitting there watching this. It's really not you know, 668 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: it's really not the kind of behavior. I don't think 669 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: that we that we expect, or that we elect people for, 670 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, the constituents. 671 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 6: Expect or Wan Nurry, our kid is still essentially a 672 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 6: member of the Labor caucus. For her to throw out 673 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 6: the Chief Minister for refusing to take instructions and the 674 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 6: leader of Government Business has personal implications for her. I mean, 675 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 6: she's trying to do her job to the best of 676 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 6: her ability, but to throw out her boss and effectively 677 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 6: the two I see is a big call. She threw 678 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 6: me out on Tuesday for it a lot less And 679 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 6: can I. 680 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 5: Be fair, Robin, you were interjecting, continuously doing. 681 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 6: You're my usual line. Can say that questions territory more different, 682 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 6: can I? 683 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: But you were interrupting the speaker. 684 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 6: Say no, Madam speaker, I'm not withdrawing. I didn't defy her, 685 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 6: and I didn't. 686 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 4: Deflect or reflect. And to be fair, you're usually a 687 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: little tamer than that. 688 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 5: This time you didn't stop to her point that we 689 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 5: couldn't hear the conwer. 690 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 7: The questions on the restoring integrity and government whole thing 691 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 7: about Labour's belief that this be an independent speaker. 692 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 4: There's three that was. 693 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 6: You're absolutely okay, you're not quite by to answer this one. 694 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 6: He made a commitment. There was an attempt to get 695 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 6: rid of Kesier as Speaker by the CLP. The now 696 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 6: Chief Minister stated in parliament that under his reign there 697 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 6: would always be an independent speaker. Now he's conveniently forgot what. 698 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 8: I'm going to have to good Speaker, Robin. 699 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 6: Not interested. 700 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 5: You've got to think about numbers on the floor, and 701 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 5: you know we do have the majority of extra one. 702 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 4: Well, that's right. 703 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 6: Shall we talk about yesterday afternoon the Leader of Government 704 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 6: Business lied in parliament. I'm quite happy to say this 705 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 6: publicly because we reflected on Handsard. She said she didn't 706 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 6: call the opposition and he vaxes after being told not to. 707 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 6: Hansard came out at five o'clock yesterday afternoon and you 708 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 6: can see where she she defied the ruling of the speaker. 709 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 6: Will be interesting to see what the opposition does about this. 710 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: Had a handstart Russian and the leader of the Opposition 711 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: made a German speech yesterday just to put on notice 712 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: that the hand side is clear that she called Natasha 713 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: Philes called lear anifaca after the speaker said don't and 714 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: then she said she didn't do it. So I think 715 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 3: is really clear in the handsard because it's the black 716 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: and white and speaker, so there will be some consequences 717 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: of that, I'm sure. 718 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 5: I think that Nuri is doing a very good job. 719 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 5: She's a year into it now a speaker, and I 720 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 5: think that she will make those rulings in between sittings. 721 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 5: We do get some procedural schooling from the speaker around 722 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 5: what's acceptable and what's not. I certainly read those quite 723 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 5: carefully between sittings and Nari's on point with that stuff, 724 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 5: and she, you know, so many parts to her job. 725 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 5: It is not as simple as just sitting in a chair. 726 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 6: Her such a hard respect. 727 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 3: Next week she made a rule and the chief men 728 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: of that ruling is very clear. 729 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: I think to do that well. 730 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: Paul from Humpty Doo's Center say text and just said 731 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: the behavior in Parliament this week is exactly why people 732 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: have no trust in the government and don't want to 733 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 2: listen to them because they act like well, I won't 734 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 2: use that word, but. 735 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 5: You know, it's all very well about what's been reported, 736 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 5: you know, but sitting on the floor of Parliament myself, 737 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 5: it's equal from both sides. 738 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 4: There's a lot of interjections. 739 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 5: I know that when I stand on my feet sometimes 740 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 5: I don't even get to say one sentence before someone's 741 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 5: yelling something at me. To be quite frank, you know, 742 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 5: we had the Leader of the Opposition last settings pointing 743 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 5: out and carrying on and saying that the Chief Minister had. 744 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 4: A physically big head. 745 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 5: Those sorts of things being said on the floor of 746 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 5: Parliament often disappoint me. So horse and say, you know, 747 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 5: it's all us, It's all us. 748 00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: You introject to Kate, Well, I'm going to interject and 749 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 2: we're going to go to an ad break. 750 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine. 751 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: It is the week that was. 752 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 2: It is just twelve minutes away from ten o'clock and 753 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 2: we have just been advised by the Northern Territory Police 754 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 2: that they are investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of 755 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: a male in Darwin this morning. Police were called to 756 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 2: a property in the CBD around twelve thirty this morning 757 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 2: and detectives and a crime and crime scene investigators are 758 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: at that location. So we will try our best to 759 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: keep you up to date with any further information as 760 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: it comes to hand. But on that note, we do 761 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: know that we've had a few terrible incidents. Well one 762 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: in particular actually earlier this week yesterday, the Territory Police 763 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: did arrest a seventeen year old following on from an 764 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 2: alleged forced entry of a home in Leanna and the 765 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 2: assault of a nine year old child. This happened overnight 766 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Serious crime detectives were earlier in the week 767 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: obviously investigating that aggravated unlawful entry in Leanna and the 768 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: assault of this nine year old child. I've got to 769 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: tell you, I think it's enough to you know, to 770 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: scare any it does. It makes you sick, and it 771 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: makes you really concern you know, anybody, whether you're a 772 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 2: parent or not. But my kids are around that age 773 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: and I think if they're asleep in their beds, you 774 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 2: should be able to feel as though they're safe asleep 775 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: in their. 776 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 4: Beds, nothing worse. I don't think any of us are 777 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 4: going to disagree on that. 778 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 3: Earlier in the year, there's that where there someone broke 779 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 3: into the hou I'm in North Suburbs and sold of 780 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: the twelve or thirteen year old girl. Yes, I know 781 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: that family and that that girl was traumatized, absolutely traumatized 782 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 3: by this. Imagine, well there's nine, I've got a nine 783 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 3: year old daughter. Yeah, and you know this alleged seventeen 784 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: year old and allegedly breaking in there. Kay, you're the 785 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 3: minister for you justice. What would you say to their parents? Well, 786 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 3: would you say that they don't. 787 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 5: Don't go and putting words in my mouth because I 788 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 5: have to do as a parent and now a grandparent, 789 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 5: I can think of absolutely nothing worse than this happening 790 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 5: to your kids. I'm not going to sit here and 791 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 5: defend anything. I can't speak for the actions of this 792 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 5: seventeen year old or the circumstances, because let's be really clear, 793 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 5: this is actually with police. There's a big investigation going ahead, 794 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 5: and so it should be. But I am not going 795 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 5: to sit here and say anything other than you know, 796 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 5: this would be a parent's worst nightmare. I know myself, 797 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 5: you would be as a parent, grandparent, it would be sickening. 798 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 4: So I'm not going to talk on this any further 799 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 4: at all. 800 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 5: I'm not going to make any comments further than this, 801 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 5: because that's exactly where I'm at with this particular matter. 802 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: Unfortunately earlier in the week as well, we know that 803 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: there's been much less serious crimes committed or situations unfold. 804 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 2: We spoke to the manager of Kazali's last week who'd 805 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 2: had a group of young people rampage through their establishment, 806 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 2: some as young as eleven years old. We'd also had 807 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 2: a situation at I think it was the Wanguri shops 808 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,959 Speaker 2: earlier in the week as well, where a wogaman sorry, 809 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 2: the Timberman shops where they are in a similar situation. Robin, 810 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 2: It's something you know that you talk about in Ella 811 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: Springs very often. You'd been calling over a so for 812 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: some changes to the Was it the youth hub as well? 813 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 6: Look, there was an announcement today, I think all this 814 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 6: morning about changes to the opening of the youth hub 815 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 6: in Alice Springs. Look, this problem is not going away 816 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 6: in Alice Springs. There's no reduction that the crime stats 817 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 6: that came out last Friday were horrific. Harping back to 818 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 6: what happened in Parliament, Tuesday seemed to be the day 819 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 6: that most questions were asked about crime. The Police Minister 820 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 6: consistently says she's poured more money into police services resource 821 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 6: the police more now than ever. So why are we 822 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 6: seeing this across the board increase in crime? That's what 823 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 6: I want to be answered. 824 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 7: And the other thing I think we need to look 825 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 7: at again is our alcohol policy and whether it's working 826 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 7: or not. We've been told that we will have a 827 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 7: extensive evaluation of the alcohol policies that were put in 828 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 7: place in place at great expense. But you would have 829 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 7: to say, on the face of it, at the moment 830 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 7: those figures that you're talking about from last Friday, Robin 831 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 7: wered just incredible. 832 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 8: Something is not working right and. 833 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 6: There's no acknowledgment of that. The Police Minister had about 834 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 6: six opportunities in question time on Tuesday to say, yes, 835 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 6: crime is a problem. She will never say that. 836 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 4: Let me. 837 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 6: She will say is how great she is doing in 838 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 6: this space. And the police they are doing their best. 839 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 6: But it's only about the tools that they've got to 840 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 6: work with, the policy and the resources and the good 841 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 6: will of government and indeed the legislation. It's not working. 842 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 6: There's no acknowledgement, Kate, There's no recognition. 843 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 5: Is it's been an issue to every government for a 844 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 5: very long time. 845 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 4: As bad as this in US, I have to say. 846 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,240 Speaker 5: I've got a I've got a couple of media releases 847 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 5: given out by various ministers, colp ministers and people in 848 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 5: other springs around. Hang on a moment. I'm not saying that, Jared. 849 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 5: What I'm saying is I've got lots and lots of 850 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 5: releases where prime crime has been a problem for a 851 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 5: very long time, has never disad But this has not 852 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 5: just arrived on our doorstep. And for every young person 853 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 5: that we see a story about, you know, my agency 854 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 5: is working with the fifty odd family. 855 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 6: So I'm not going from you. 856 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 4: Did you just hear that from me? 857 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 6: You're saying it's a problem. 858 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 4: Because you guys do that quite regularly. 859 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 5: What I'm saying have you read the crimes ongoing problem 860 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 5: for every single government and we've got a whole range 861 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 5: of things. So just on Alice Springs yesterday, we've said 862 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 5: that we won't go beyond ten PM. That's the release 863 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 5: we've put out today, and by the end of the 864 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 5: year we'll be looking at a different model. And we're 865 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 5: working really hard with ten and Jeer because we know 866 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 5: that if you keep kids activing, engaged and engaged with 867 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 5: really good role models, then you can avoid this stuff. 868 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 5: So we're working really hard in the preventative space. It 869 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 5: ain't going to be fixed tomorrow because that's. 870 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 6: Just a worst cape. 871 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 3: Do you think how long. 872 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,479 Speaker 8: Month or month? 873 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 6: For about the last twelve months, the crime stats coming 874 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 6: out for the whole of the Northern Territory plate paints 875 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 6: a very bleak picture. But more you've crime escalating, So 876 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 6: you will you admit somebody going to get any worse? 877 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 5: So will you admit, Robin, that clime in our springs 878 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 5: goes up and down all the time and has done 879 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 5: even when you were in government now to go down. 880 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 6: So it's been going up for. 881 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 4: A long time. 882 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 5: That in our springs too, though Jared wants to talk 883 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 5: about how long we've been in power. The colp and 884 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 5: yourself have springs forever, like we've had Dale Wakefield for 885 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 5: four years. Only in our springs you've got Chancey Paik, 886 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 5: who does a lot of work in Central Australia. 887 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 6: To be governing for all the territory. 888 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 5: And it has to say, what did you achieve in 889 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 5: your time? 890 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 6: We didn't preside over crime levels LIKECADE and that's nothing interventionary. 891 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 5: You'd actually cut all those programs and all the money 892 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 5: in those programs. 893 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 4: Robin, You know that that's a focus yourself, Like I. 894 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 2: Think that that's actually I get what you're selling, Cake, 895 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 2: I get that obviously, this is that's been going on 896 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 2: for an incredibly long period of time. But like at 897 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 2: the moment, you know, we have we've got a situation 898 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: where we've got a seventeen year old who's breaking into 899 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 2: a house and assaulting a nine year old, and that's 900 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 2: you know, that's one example. We've got plenty of examples 901 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 2: that have come through in some of those pressure releases 902 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: that come out where we've then got kids who are 903 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 2: on serious breach of bail offenses. Now, but what happens 904 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 2: if it is a serious breach of bail offense, And 905 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 2: that's kind of a good question that's been that's been 906 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: asked for a long time. So they can take attention, 907 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 2: but they've still got to go in front of the 908 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 2: court and in front of the. 909 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 3: Judge if the young lawyers don't find exceptional circumstances, which 910 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 3: is labor government inserted in the last minute of these 911 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 3: really tough bail they watered down in the last day. 912 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 3: Do you have evident minister, if you got your minister, 913 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 3: do you have you're the minister correct? Do you have 914 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 3: a suit. I'm saying that the Labor government came out 915 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: and said we're going to make the toughest bail laws ever. 916 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: And on the day these wars were debated in the chamber, 917 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 3: they come in and they made an exception and put 918 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 3: exceptional circumstances in there. And let me tell you, as 919 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 3: an ex offense lawyer, they're the words that I want 920 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 3: to see in the legislation because that gives us. 921 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 6: But you have to prove. 922 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 4: So what you're saying, you have to prove. 923 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,800 Speaker 3: Circum can be anything. 924 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 2: Well, you're going to have to take a very short break. 925 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 2: We are running out of time. You're listening to Mix 926 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: one oh four point nine's three six EARI is the 927 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 2: week that was Well, that is just about it for 928 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: us this morning. You have been listening to the week 929 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 2: that was right here on Mixed one O four nine 930 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 2: and also on ad H and Alice Springs. 931 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, thank you so very much for your time 932 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: this morning. 933 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks a lot. 934 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 2: And Robin Lamley, the independent member for our lun thank 935 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,959 Speaker 2: you for your time today. 936 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 6: Thank you for having me Katie. 937 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 2: And also Kate Warden, the Member Well the Minister for 938 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,479 Speaker 2: territory families is what I'm trying to say. 939 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: And housing. Thank you for your time today. 940 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 4: Thank you Katie, and I'm looking forward. 941 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 5: I'm heading out to do some breaking of ground shortly 942 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 5: for some more specialty disability housing in the normal with 943 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 5: some of ill Thank you coming. 944 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 6: To Alice Springs next week. 945 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 2: Springs listeners hunt by happening there smoking the person who's 946 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 2: brought it and it's. 947 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: All on the control. When is that happening? 948 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 3: So we're trying to do Sunday but he can't make 949 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 3: it and you're taking three people out now. 950 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 2: Well that's for the Camp Quality Radio auction. 951 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: He donated the peak hunt and it went. 952 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 3: Off and we did do a bit of a wildlife tour. 953 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 3: We've got a couple of cree, a couple of buffalos, 954 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 3: some of the land. It's I think it'll be a 955 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 3: really really good afternoon. 956 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,479 Speaker 2: Well, thank you all so much for your time this morning. 957 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 2: That Cunningham had to sneak off a little bit early. 958 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,919 Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. We'll catch you all again 959 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 2: very soon.