WEBVTT - ASK UNCUT - Who's Your Donor?

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands

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<v Speaker 1>were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura, I'm Brittany,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is Thursday, and on Thursdays we wear green.

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<v Speaker 2>Britt and I, from across the other sides of the

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<v Speaker 2>world have managed to rock up today wearing almost the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what's ridiculous is you and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>wear a lot of color in the day to day,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're pretty plain. You probably wear slightly more than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I did try and have my year of color last year,

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<v Speaker 1>but I ended up going back to beij But this

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<v Speaker 1>happens so often when we decide to actually wear a color,

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<v Speaker 1>we turn up in the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This probably sounds like if it's very uninteresting and wear

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<v Speaker 2>across that we're wearing bright green, the exact same color

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<v Speaker 2>bright green. This also reminds me of that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a a Channel nine reporter. I can't remember her name.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, you can't wear the white jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're having shirtgate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's shirtgate anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this is our ask uncut episode where we answer

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<v Speaker 2>you're deep, you're dark, and you're burning dirty, sometimes dirty,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes not questions. But today's episode almost didn't happen because

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<v Speaker 2>I almost died on the way to work today. What

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I like to make that sound dramatic, but

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<v Speaker 2>it actually was kind of dramatic.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was running and literally we nearly lost you,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cash nearly had to step in.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talked about this on Tuesday's episode, you could

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<v Speaker 2>have done the recording from my funeral once again.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, good for the downloads.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to drop the kids off to daycare

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. Usually Matt on a Monday and Wednesday, which

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<v Speaker 2>our recording days, Matt kind of does the heavy lifting.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was out the door first thing this morning

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the airports. He was flying to Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm running around. This is why I look the

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<v Speaker 2>way I look because of everything they had to do

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. So I get the kids ready, I threw

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<v Speaker 2>them in the car, get them to daycare, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>walking out of daycare.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a coffee in one hand.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my phone in one hand, and right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the daycare is like a pedestrian crossing. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't paying any attention. I had my face in my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>which is stupid, but also.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so unlike you, Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>In my defense, it's a pedestrian crossing. You just expect

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<v Speaker 2>people are gonna stop. So I'm walking along and then

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<v Speaker 2>I could just oud in my periphery. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that car feels like it's going dangerously fast for a

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<v Speaker 2>car that should be stopping. And I look up, wait

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<v Speaker 2>for it. The car fangs it through the pedestrian crossing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an old lady in her nineties driving a

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<v Speaker 2>Mercedes with the windows down.

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<v Speaker 3>She had she probably having a flag out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>She's having a great old time.

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<v Speaker 3>She's got like what's that John Laws on the radio.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is one of two things.

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<v Speaker 2>Either she's senile and she didn't actually see me and

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<v Speaker 2>she can't drive and probably should lose her license. Or two,

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<v Speaker 2>she's so old she doesn't give a single fuck anymore

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, I don't have time.

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<v Speaker 3>To stop at pedestrian crossings. Take you down, bitch. It

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the to be.

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<v Speaker 1>She probably hasn't gone for her itest for driving for

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 3>She probably can't see. She probably got tunnel vision. I

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<v Speaker 3>very much agree.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, to the point where I'm standing on the

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<v Speaker 2>pedestrian crossing, She's driving through it with her windows down,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking to her.

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<v Speaker 3>Through the window, like what the fuck are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And she just looked at me, but it still didn't

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<v Speaker 2>register that she'd done something wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You like, don't get your eyes off the road, keep driving,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep looking forward. Well, I'm glad you made it.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally died while I was on holiday.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, Stop being a storytop I what happened to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've nearly got eaten by a shark.

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<v Speaker 3>There we go, So glad you made it. It's one

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<v Speaker 3>of those sharks.

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<v Speaker 1>It has no teeth, like it nearly sucked me to death.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't be a bad way to go. It could

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<v Speaker 3>be worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Brittany has a new fetish and it's being sucked off

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<v Speaker 2>by a gummy shark in the mountains too far.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>When you guys said was it romantic?

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<v Speaker 1>Boy? Was it romantic? Ben was like, Hey, what's gone

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<v Speaker 1>on down there.

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<v Speaker 3>I want a piece of that, all right, Okay. We

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<v Speaker 3>spoke about this on Tuesday's episode. Normally on Thursdays we.

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<v Speaker 2>Get sidetracked, We talk about lots of other things before

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<v Speaker 2>we get to unpacking your questions. And we had been

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<v Speaker 2>receiving some feedback last year that maybe we should focus

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<v Speaker 2>on answering more questions rather than talking about ourselves for

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<v Speaker 2>so long, So we're going to take that on board.

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<v Speaker 2>We have extra questions on today's episode, so this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be like a media ask gun cut. But

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<v Speaker 2>also because we've been on holidays for the past four weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>we have received so many questions and like I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of questions, so to anyone who sent them in, like,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing our best to get through all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like today like we've got such a

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<v Speaker 2>good mix because they're so different and they're so varied.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some pretty hectic, devisive ones today as well,

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<v Speaker 1>don't we.

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<v Speaker 2>We already had like a little bit of a fight beforehand,

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<v Speaker 2>because we did.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not a fight, but it was just a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes Laura and I go very different paths to get somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes just like some wrestling and jiu jitsu along

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<v Speaker 1>the way. But usually we get to like we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the endpoint. But it's how different brains work and

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<v Speaker 1>how different thought processes work. I think it's also healthy

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<v Speaker 1>to have disagreements sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I do think that we are both, in our

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<v Speaker 2>own ways quite stubborn, So when we don't agree with

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<v Speaker 2>each other, we fight harder to like get our point

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<v Speaker 2>across in order for the other person to understand why

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<v Speaker 2>we feel the way that we feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, I'm hearing you and I feel you, Laura,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much how it goes down. No, we're joking.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get into answering your questions, we are

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<v Speaker 2>still doing our vibes and unsubscribes of the Week produce a.

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<v Speaker 3>Keisha Welcome, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have a little life update from producer Keisha.

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<v Speaker 1>Produce Kisha, would you like to talk to us about

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<v Speaker 1>you take her the next step?

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<v Speaker 5>I love that. I said to you, guys, we had

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<v Speaker 5>a planning meeting last week before you know, we came

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<v Speaker 5>back to work for the year, and I was like, guys,

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<v Speaker 5>I have one life update, and both of you were like,

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<v Speaker 5>what is it, and I was like, well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>going to tell you because I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 5>on the podcast, and then both of you are like,

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<v Speaker 5>fucking know what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>The jig is up. The gig is up.

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<v Speaker 5>So for the course of the last ten months, it

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<v Speaker 5>has been a bit of a running joke on the

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<v Speaker 5>podcast that my boyfriend Toblerone, who we call toablerone, because unlike.

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<v Speaker 3>Us, he's a very private He's a very private person,

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<v Speaker 3>can't relate. None of us were all over share.

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<v Speaker 2>Is you know what I think is so interesting about this,

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<v Speaker 2>Like Toblarone is very private, but Keisha has no issue

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<v Speaker 2>with sharing all of his things on the podcast. She

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<v Speaker 2>just does it with him under the guise of the

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<v Speaker 2>name Toblerone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but then she tags him on Instagram. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>make any sense to me either. She's like, what ever,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't understand why there is a difference between social

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<v Speaker 5>media and the podcast, but it is what he has requested.

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<v Speaker 5>And I kind of go, well, I don't really get

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<v Speaker 5>to make you know, I don't get to make those decisions.

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<v Speaker 5>You've told me what you're okay with, and I've just

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<v Speaker 5>gott to play on so we have finally dropped the album, finally.

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<v Speaker 3>Said I love you.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Well, okay, so we did speak about this on

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<v Speaker 5>the podcast because you know, we're all about feminism, and

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<v Speaker 5>but the reason that I had felt it for so

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<v Speaker 5>long and then I didn't say it to him and

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<v Speaker 5>I was waiting for him to say it to me.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, if I'm being completely honest, like there would

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<v Speaker 5>have been a percentage of ego involved in it, but

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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't entirely ego based. It was more so that

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a very expressive person. I'm a words of affirmation girlie,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just know that he's not like that. I

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<v Speaker 5>know that he's slower to get to the point at

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<v Speaker 5>which he would be comfortable, and so no part of

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<v Speaker 5>me wanted to make him feel as though I was

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<v Speaker 5>like pressuring him into it or rushing him into it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I also felt like if I were to say it,

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<v Speaker 5>even though I wholeheartedly meant it and he wasn't at

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<v Speaker 5>the point where he was ready to say it yet,

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like it could have changed this dynamic in

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<v Speaker 5>our relationship, and I just I didn't want that to

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<v Speaker 5>be the case.

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<v Speaker 3>So I waited. But when it actually happened.

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<v Speaker 5>Brittany, I have an absolute bone to pick without shared

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<v Speaker 5>child Delilah.

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<v Speaker 3>Because she nearly nearly nearly ruined it.

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<v Speaker 5>So we were spending Christmas apart because he's not from him,

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<v Speaker 5>and so we had this kind of like pre Christmas

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<v Speaker 5>dinner booked and it was meant to be this really

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful thing, and so I had Delilah with me because

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<v Speaker 5>you're over in Scotland. For a couple of days leading

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<v Speaker 5>up to it, it had just been absolutely pouring down

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<v Speaker 5>with rain, and if you have an active dog, you

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<v Speaker 5>know how detrimental that is to your well being because

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<v Speaker 5>you can't take them out for runs and wear them out.

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<v Speaker 5>So this day it was just pouring down with more

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<v Speaker 5>and more rain, and I was like, look, I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>gonna take her to the beach. We're gonna go for

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<v Speaker 5>a run. We're gonna get wet. Like I've just accepted,

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<v Speaker 5>we're both gonna be drowned. Rats, I'm gonna come home.

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<v Speaker 5>We gonna wash her. It'll be fine. Da Lala and

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<v Speaker 5>I go to the beach. We're running up and down

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<v Speaker 5>the beach. She's having the best time of her life.

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<v Speaker 5>We're about to get back to the car and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>about to drive home, and she looked at me and

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<v Speaker 5>she made eye contact.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, she really gosh, and she was like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fuck your life. She's like, what can I do to

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<v Speaker 2>make your life hell?

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<v Speaker 3>She took off. She found a bunch of dead birds.

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<v Speaker 5>She was rolling around in these things, trying to cover

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<v Speaker 5>every orifice of her body in dead bird scent. I

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<v Speaker 5>eventually got to her. So she's now soaking wet. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>soaking wet. She's in dead wet bird and I have

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<v Speaker 5>to get her back into the car. I get back

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<v Speaker 5>to Tablaren's house. I'm washing her head to doe. She's

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<v Speaker 5>hating life. I blow dried her at home, and by

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<v Speaker 5>the time I got back, I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I just actually can't be bothered. I cannot be bothered

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<v Speaker 5>to do this nice dinner, Like my energy is completely gone.

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<v Speaker 3>So we ended up getting.

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<v Speaker 5>Takeaway and we had this really boring dinner at home.

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<v Speaker 5>I was in the filthiest mood you could ever imagine,

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<v Speaker 5>and he turns to me and he's like, I love you, sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 5>It just came out of absolutely nowhere in my mind,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I was just something that I hadn't expected.

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<v Speaker 3>What was that? Was it?

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<v Speaker 5>It was like, because he had been planning on doing

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<v Speaker 5>this really nice Christmas dinner, you know. He said that

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<v Speaker 5>he'd been thinking about it for quite a while and

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<v Speaker 5>that he wanted it to be this really nice special moment, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't act the way you said it. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>it's time. Ah, I love you, sweetie.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was because of how bad my mood was,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I was just so pissed off at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was it a proper love declaration or it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost sounding a bit like it was looking at you

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<v Speaker 1>like a bit sympathetic, like you're in the bad moting

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<v Speaker 1>I love you, okay, you know, like you know.

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<v Speaker 3>How's a different tone? Has he said it more than

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<v Speaker 3>once since? Yes? Yes, blood, so bloodgates are open.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I turned him and I was like, I've been waiting

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<v Speaker 5>a long time to say that to you, and he's like, look,

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<v Speaker 5>I have as well. But I wanted it to be

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<v Speaker 5>a nice moment, and I just kind of resorted to

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that that wasn't going to happen tonight as

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<v Speaker 5>I had initially planned. But yes, to summarize, we have

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<v Speaker 5>now said I love you. We've also now moved in together.

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<v Speaker 5>Things happen in a weird order in our.

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<v Speaker 1>Relations an hour, doesn't it crawling.

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<v Speaker 5>To the line, or it's the fastest thing you've ever experienced.

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<v Speaker 5>So that is my life update. And thank you to

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<v Speaker 5>all of the very beautiful people who have messaged me

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<v Speaker 5>throughout the course of the last ten months telling me

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<v Speaker 5>how long it took for your partner to tell you

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<v Speaker 5>that they love you, because I felt that I really

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<v Speaker 5>felt supported by all of your messages.

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<v Speaker 3>In a de validation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, guys, let's get into vibes and unsubscribes the week,

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<v Speaker 2>because I have an unsubscribed this week, which is controversial,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have strong feelings about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Keisha, what is your vibe?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, my vibe for this week comes off of the

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<v Speaker 5>back of you, guys speaking with Mark Manson. So I've

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<v Speaker 5>started listening to his podcast and there's someone who joins

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<v Speaker 5>him on his podcast a lot, and that guy's.

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<v Speaker 3>Name is Drew Bernie.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, Drew used to be a behavioral neuroscientist and he

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<v Speaker 5>now calls himself a content nerd for Mark Manson. So

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<v Speaker 5>he's worked for Mark since twenty fourteen. They have a

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<v Speaker 5>really close relationship and so much of what he was

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<v Speaker 5>saying on the podcast, I was like, Wow, this guy

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<v Speaker 5>has like an amazing amount of insight. I find everything

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<v Speaker 5>he says really interesting and quite nuanced, Like he often

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<v Speaker 5>has a different perspective to what I naturally would have thought,

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<v Speaker 5>similar to Mark though, you know, like he tells it

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<v Speaker 5>how it is, but it's not always what you think

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna hear. Drew actually has a newsletter of his

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<v Speaker 5>own and it is called Traction, and the latest one

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<v Speaker 5>that he dropped was titled do it your damn self,

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<v Speaker 5>And there was this part of it and he said,

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<v Speaker 5>going through the struggle is where the rewards lie, not

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<v Speaker 5>just the money and the recognition, but the feeling you

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<v Speaker 5>get when you see something come together that you did

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<v Speaker 5>your damn self. So it's about that satisfaction you get

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<v Speaker 5>out of something when you really feel like you've earned it,

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<v Speaker 5>and how you can sit in that joy of it

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<v Speaker 5>for so much longer when.

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<v Speaker 3>You truly feel like not so much that.

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<v Speaker 5>You've earned it, I guess, but that you've done so

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<v Speaker 5>much in order to put yourself in that position.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess it's this idea right of when you

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<v Speaker 2>have done it your damn self. It broadens your perception

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<v Speaker 2>around what you're able to achieve. You're like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I could do that thing. Whether it

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<v Speaker 2>mean I mean for some people, it could be something stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>like installing a mirror. That's my next DIY project is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to install this mirror in my house.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that's where my brain went to.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you know me, four years ago, if you'd said, Laura,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to drill a hole and do X y Z,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been like, Ah, that's outside of my remit.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think anytime you expose yourself to doing something

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<v Speaker 2>that you've never done before that was a little bit challenging,

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<v Speaker 2>you learn a new skill. You can then sit in

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<v Speaker 2>the reward of being like, ah, okay, I'm really confident

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<v Speaker 2>in the fact that I can do things I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to do, and I can do things I

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<v Speaker 2>thought were hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. So that's what this particular newsletter was about.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that we all love Mark Manson's newsletter, and

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<v Speaker 5>so Drew has one of his own. I'll link it

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<v Speaker 5>in the show notes for you. It is called Traction,

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<v Speaker 5>and I really think that you guys will enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, my vibe is you guys know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>true crime junkie. I'm sick for it. So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix documentary. It's a docuseries three parts that's going bonkers

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. It's called American Nightmare. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>true story about a couple named Denise and Aaron. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't go too much into it, but they're dubbed the

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<v Speaker 1>real life Gone Girl. So you remember the movie Gone

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<v Speaker 1>Girl that went viral. Basically, she is kidnapped from her

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<v Speaker 1>home one night and completely gone missing in the most

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<v Speaker 1>unusual of ways. Like the kidnapping is something that feels

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<v Speaker 1>like it should be a made up story. All eyes

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<v Speaker 1>go on to the boyfriend, Aaron. He swears to God

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<v Speaker 1>that he had nothing to do with it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it goes into depth about the police investigation and where

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<v Speaker 1>things went wrong and what really happened. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you too much because I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to spoil it because I hate a spoiler. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was hooked the entire three episodes and at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just left furious, Like I was absolutely furious

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<v Speaker 1>at the police department in America.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the first episode of this and I know

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<v Speaker 2>producer Keisha's also watched quite a bit of it. It

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<v Speaker 2>is brilliant and I think the thing that is like

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<v Speaker 2>what you touched on, Bret, but it's the malpractice of

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<v Speaker 2>the police, and it's this idea that people are coming

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<v Speaker 2>forward with their story and that they're not being believed

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<v Speaker 2>by the police because they have an agenda around it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the docuseries is actually them telling their story, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's from a narration from someone else

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<v Speaker 1>telling a story.

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<v Speaker 3>It's them.

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<v Speaker 1>It is her sitting in what happened and reliving it.

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<v Speaker 1>They have footage from the investigations and from the interviews

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<v Speaker 1>and the interrogations, and it's truly one of the better

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<v Speaker 1>true crime docuseries I've watched very long time.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know what I really love about it, and

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<v Speaker 5>this is a little bit more from like a societal lens,

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<v Speaker 5>is that I think we are seeing so much more

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<v Speaker 5>content now that is this pushback to the whole believe victims.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I know it's something that we really have

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<v Speaker 5>humongous issues with here in Australia and this is an

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<v Speaker 5>American version of it, But for so long victims have

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<v Speaker 5>not been believed and I think it's also a very

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<v Speaker 5>interesting insight into the policing of police. We haven't had

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<v Speaker 5>access to that for very long, you know. I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's really this introduction of social media and entertainment companies

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<v Speaker 5>like Netflix that have taken the power back. If it

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<v Speaker 5>weren't forth social media or Netflix shining a light on

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<v Speaker 5>situations like this, I wonder how long we would have

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<v Speaker 5>gone on with these corrupt systems and also victims spending

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<v Speaker 5>so long not being believed and not being you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the air investigations not being taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's the visibility, right because back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>the only way that you would ever get your story out,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember, like if something happen and someone was

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<v Speaker 2>angry about something, it was like you write into the paper,

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<v Speaker 2>or you write into the morning show or something to

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<v Speaker 2>try and get.

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<v Speaker 3>Your story out.

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<v Speaker 1>That.

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<v Speaker 2>The only other thing which I think is important to

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<v Speaker 2>note is that it kind of ties into this idea

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<v Speaker 2>that when you're not a perfect victim, which we know

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<v Speaker 2>that in cases of domestic violence, in cases of sexual assault,

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<v Speaker 2>it is very rare that there is a perfect victim.

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<v Speaker 2>What this kind of unpacks is that when you are

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<v Speaker 2>an imperfect victim. When you've done things that maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>police see as being not exactly how you should or

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have behaved, the likelihood of being believed is even lower.

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<v Speaker 1>It's truly wild, and it's one of those things that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to see to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll link that in show notes. And that is on Netflix,

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<v Speaker 3>the one that I went.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to keep this short and snappy because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like some people are going to agree and

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<v Speaker 2>some people are going to deeply, deeply disagree.

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<v Speaker 3>My unsubscribed for the week is Saltburn.

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<v Speaker 2>I have watched it and I don't really care for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the grave scene and the bath scene

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<v Speaker 2>just too weird for me. But second to that, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt as though the chemistry between the two main actors

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<v Speaker 2>being best friends. I didn't think that the chemistry was believable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say this because the main actor, Jacob Elordi,

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<v Speaker 2>he is this beautiful, successful, He is the most popular

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<v Speaker 2>kid at university. He is ridiculously wealthy, like it goes

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<v Speaker 2>into kind of his family and and how insanely wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>his family is. And he befriends the most socially awkward,

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<v Speaker 2>is really hard to connect with, and I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe that the chemistry between them, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>because they were trying to establish that they had this

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<v Speaker 2>like deep friendship, but all the establishment of the deep

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<v Speaker 2>friendship was done through weird movie montage flashbacks. But when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the dialogue between the two characters, there

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<v Speaker 2>was nothing convincing about it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely disagree with you. I don't think that was

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<v Speaker 1>the plot at all. I think what they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to lead you to believe is you're made to feel

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<v Speaker 1>that someone is going to die right like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't know who. You don't know who is

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<v Speaker 1>going to turn and be the killer or the baddie

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<v Speaker 1>in this. My guess was that he was there, this

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<v Speaker 1>nerdy guy, and was going to result in a hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were going to release him on the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone got to track him down and hunt him

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<v Speaker 1>to kill him because he's a nobody with no family.

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<v Speaker 1>That was what I was led to believe, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I picked up from the show. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you and I have picked up two very different things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to know what everyone else's opinion was as

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<v Speaker 1>they were watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, see the reason why I find that so interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is because I thought it was really obvious what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's being like one of the most viral

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<v Speaker 2>and widely watched movies at the moment, and it's been very,

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<v Speaker 2>very loved.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of got to the end of it and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that was weird, and I want my

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron halfback.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. I wish I'd watch something else. I haven't watched

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<v Speaker 3>it yet, but I've just heard that it's sick. I've

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<v Speaker 3>just heard that it's weird.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to be careful who you watch it with

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<v Speaker 5>because that can get awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't watch it with your mum or your dad,

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<v Speaker 2>and then don't go and have a bar afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, let's get into the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Question number one. I have a beautiful friend. She's married

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<v Speaker 2>and in a same sex relationship. She has one toddler

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<v Speaker 2>and is pregnant with her second baby. Both of them

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<v Speaker 2>share the same biological father, a sperm donor. I recently

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<v Speaker 2>became good friends with a different mum friend through my husband,

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<v Speaker 2>and her baby is also the product of a sperm

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<v Speaker 2>donation due to her husband's fertility issues. All of that

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<v Speaker 2>is amazing and I am so happy for everyone. But

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<v Speaker 2>the kicker is that the two children of my two

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<v Speaker 2>different mum friends look identical.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking eerily similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Both are pretty vocal and upfront about their IVF and

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<v Speaker 2>sperm donation stories, and the donor information they have shared

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<v Speaker 2>with me so far is crazy similar. I won't go

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<v Speaker 2>into too much detail for you, but essentially the donor

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<v Speaker 2>is the same nationality, the same height, the same age,

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<v Speaker 2>the same hair color, eye color choices, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I bring it up with either of them?

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<v Speaker 2>It seems entirely possible, but I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do because the kids look so alike.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we have never had a question like this.

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<v Speaker 3>We have never had a question like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the one that Britta and I gott

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<v Speaker 2>into a bit of a not an argument, but a

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<v Speaker 2>heated disagreement about.

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<v Speaker 3>So it doesn't either.

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<v Speaker 1>We just disagreed.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't any You make your sound like we had

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<v Speaker 3>each other's throat. Okay. So I have a girlfriend. Her

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<v Speaker 3>name is Jess.

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<v Speaker 2>She's recently had a baby with her partner Vanessa, two

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<v Speaker 2>of my closest friends.

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<v Speaker 3>They've gone through and.

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<v Speaker 2>Chose to have a known sperm donor and so I

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<v Speaker 2>called Jess because I was like, this is a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>which I mean, we can give our opinions on, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're not living this, and I think it's very easy

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<v Speaker 2>when you're on the other side of it to go

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<v Speaker 2>like should.

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<v Speaker 3>I have this conversation with them? Shouldn't I?

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<v Speaker 2>And not to say that my friend speaks for any

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<v Speaker 2>same sex couple or anybody who has gone through the

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<v Speaker 2>donor process, but I do think that she had some

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<v Speaker 2>very important points to make, and so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>play her response for you.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really see the point of bringing it up

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<v Speaker 4>with either of them, Like both of them are obviously

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<v Speaker 4>in complete family units, Like the straight couple is obviously

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<v Speaker 4>a complete family unit.

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<v Speaker 1>The same sex couple of the complete family unit.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for a lot of people, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Reason that they go with anonymous sperm donors rather than

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<v Speaker 4>known jonas is because they're not interested in having an

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<v Speaker 4>extra third party in their lives, and so the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that they have a sperm donor becomes pretty inconsequential. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not something that they think about, it's not something that

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<v Speaker 4>comes up day to day. So I guess this reminder

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<v Speaker 4>both for the gay couple and the straight couple that

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<v Speaker 4>they were unable to start their family on their own.

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<v Speaker 4>It's unnecessary and potentially even a little bit painful. It's

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<v Speaker 4>really hard to say, and obviously it depends on the couple,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'd say they probably don't really need or want

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<v Speaker 4>this sharing of information, not to mention the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>they probably don't even know the name the question of

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<v Speaker 4>knowing the name of the sperm donner. When you go

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<v Speaker 4>through a sperm mic, you actually don't even get their

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<v Speaker 4>name or photo.

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<v Speaker 3>You just get a baby photo.

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<v Speaker 1>And medical history. That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>So unless they can match up the baby photo and

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<v Speaker 4>see if they have the same one, it's potentially just

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<v Speaker 4>going to leave a bunch of unanswered questions anyway. So

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, depending on the friendship, it might be

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<v Speaker 4>worth bringing out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just don't really see the point.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I wanted to flag before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>fully unpacking this and like getting your opinion, Breed or

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<v Speaker 2>like how we would navigate this if we were in

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<v Speaker 2>the situation is that in the question it says biological father, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the biological father in reference to sperm donor. Now, one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that Jess mentioned after we had this conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so important because it can be so

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<v Speaker 2>easy to say the wrong thing without meaning to say

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong thing without meaning no offense, because clearly the

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<v Speaker 2>question wasn't written with any offense in mind. But I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's that whole adage that once you know better,

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<v Speaker 2>you do better. If you're going to talk about someone's

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<v Speaker 2>donor sperm, don't talk about it in relation to being

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<v Speaker 2>a biological father or a dad. Just remove father dad

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<v Speaker 2>from any type of dialogue that you have around this,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's not what they are. They made a sperm

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<v Speaker 2>donation and those two things are completely separate, and that

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<v Speaker 2>can be really invalidating to any family who has been

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<v Speaker 2>through the process of sperm donation or egg donation as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good point for you to bring up, Laura,

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<v Speaker 1>and for Jess to have brought up, because when we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about this, I was also referring it to

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<v Speaker 1>as like, you know, well, biological father, sperm donor.

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<v Speaker 3>I was putting them.

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<v Speaker 1>Together without even thinking that that could be offensive or

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<v Speaker 1>not the right thing to say. But I totally understand

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<v Speaker 1>why it is, because we know what a father is

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<v Speaker 1>and should be, and at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>they did do a sperm donation, and then that was

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship finished, like there is no relationship, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is really important to know. It's such a tricky

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<v Speaker 1>situation because she's saying that she has two good friends,

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<v Speaker 1>two very good friends that she sees often. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if she's written this in she genuinely thinks they could

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<v Speaker 1>be from the same donor. I guess the question she's

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<v Speaker 1>facing is will it be offensive or bring up something

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<v Speaker 1>or be hurtful? B what if they're in a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where they would want to know if their child has

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<v Speaker 1>a genetic relation.

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<v Speaker 3>Out there this donor.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it would be like a half relation. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know? And I guess that's the way. The

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<v Speaker 1>best way to do it is throw it in as

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<v Speaker 1>that hypothetical, like well crazy, is that crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>Like would you want to know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel it out and you're going to get the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>from whatever they say. They're either going to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh hell no, like could you imagine the hassle? Or

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be like, well, yeah, maybe if they've

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<v Speaker 1>got some sort of biological connection out there, that could

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<v Speaker 1>be cool, Like I think you just got to feel

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<v Speaker 1>it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree, and I know that it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things where one person's perspective and opinion doesn't cover

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's experiences. And everybody who has gone through the process

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<v Speaker 2>of having a donor to have a baby is going

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<v Speaker 2>to feel differently around their own family, their own unit,

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<v Speaker 2>their own experience, how they're raising their children, what participation

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<v Speaker 2>that donor has in that child's life, whether it's absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>nothing at all, or whether they're an active potentially uncle

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<v Speaker 2>figure or auntie figure or whatever like. There's so many

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<v Speaker 2>variations of how this could present, and so I think

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<v Speaker 2>to give one wash answer of saying this is the

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong way would not be a just way.

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<v Speaker 3>To approach this question.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I do want to reiterate is what

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<v Speaker 2>good would come of it? What is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the main benefit, especially when the things that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>off the indicating factors are pretty broad and open ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like height, nationality, the eye color. Let's say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if it was a very unique and rare height, nationality,

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<v Speaker 2>and eye color, but if it's a forty year old

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<v Speaker 2>Caucasian man who is six foot with green eyes or

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<v Speaker 2>blue eyes or whatever, I would say that there's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them out there who have doned sperm

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<v Speaker 2>over the many years. The other thing as well to

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind, and this is I find this so

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<v Speaker 2>interesting around like the rules and regulations within Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>sperm donation is that for men who are doing sperm donation,

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<v Speaker 2>they can only donate to up to ten families, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're only allowed to create and contribute to ten separate families.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's also to like minimize any crossover. Like imagine

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<v Speaker 2>growing up and being a child who is from a

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<v Speaker 2>donor and then meeting another child who is from a donor,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it turns out that you've all got the

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<v Speaker 2>same donor parent, which has happened in the States, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's wild. So in Australia there's so many more legislations

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<v Speaker 2>and rules around how many donor families can be created,

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason for that is to try and minimize

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<v Speaker 2>this type of thing. Ultimately, unless you can kind of say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be of benefit to everyone in

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<v Speaker 2>the picture, it's going to be of benefit to the

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<v Speaker 2>parents because the children are too young to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>with that information. Yet, then I don't think that you

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<v Speaker 2>should be the donor vigilante and take it upon yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that everyone knows all the information, because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes people going into this decision simply don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>know the information.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I would love to know if this goes ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and you have this conversation, please come back and tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what the outcome of this is, because we need

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<v Speaker 2>to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What invite them both to like a barbecue or a

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<v Speaker 1>party or something and let them work it out for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>That look like your kid looks bad like I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>That is fucking cruel. Do not do that. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible, terrible ideage. This just happened spontaneously. Don't take

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 2>that advice. Question number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been with my partner for nearly five years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been a super stable relationship and he's someone that I

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<v Speaker 1>can talk openly with about anything. However, I have begun

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that we are super different in many ways.

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>He's really introverted and runs out of social battery fast.

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<v Speaker 1>He prefers staying at home and gaming with friends, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>I love camping, going on road trips, adventures, traveling. We've

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<v Speaker 1>tried some of these activities together and it uses up

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>his energy pretty quick, or it just ends with him

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<v Speaker 1>in a migraine from the sun and he hates it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like gaming. It worries me that our differences

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<v Speaker 1>will get the better of us long term. But I

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<v Speaker 1>still really like him for milestones such as birthdays and anniversaries.

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<v Speaker 1>He isn't very good at planning anything or getting any

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<v Speaker 1>gifts and says that he has no time. I shared

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<v Speaker 1>interest really important in relationships. What would you do in

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<v Speaker 1>this situation? How do I know RA right relationship?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's two ways to answer this, because

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>it's only an issue if it's an issue to you, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can date someone who is completely different to you,

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<v Speaker 2>who has really different interests, who loves gaming, and if

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<v Speaker 2>gaming's not an issue to you, and you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>able to connect in other ways and you get your

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 2>cup filled, like just say you love going campaign or

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<v Speaker 2>you love road trips, whatever it is, and you do

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<v Speaker 2>that with your girlfriends, and you fill your cup with

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<v Speaker 2>your girlfriends and then your boyfriend provides x YZ to

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<v Speaker 2>you different things, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it's becoming.

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<v Speaker 2>An issue, if you've gotten to a place where you

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<v Speaker 2>think that the differences are too big, that you're not

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<v Speaker 2>able to connect on anything, because you know, it may

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<v Speaker 2>not just be the fact that he's introverted. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like it's the fact that he's not investing enough time

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<v Speaker 2>or consideration or thought into you. So when you say, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's introverted, but then he's also really bad at

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<v Speaker 2>this thing and this thing and this thing, you kind

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of haven't told me anything that he's good at. You

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<v Speaker 2>haven't told me anything that the two of you have

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<v Speaker 2>together that's a redeemable part of your relationship. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I would say to you before you make a decision

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't be together or that like the differences

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>are too great, I would have a think about, Okay, well,

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>what are the amazing things that he brings to the relationship,

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 2>What are the things that I love about him? What

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<v Speaker 2>are the things that we share together that are incredible

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>that are worth valuing? And are there more of those

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>things than what there are negatives? And can you then

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<v Speaker 2>therefore overcome the things and the differences that you have.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be my very first thing to say to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna come in and say I'm not vibing

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>this relationship, and the reason that is fucking half ritch.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason now stick with me.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I say that is because I actually do

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<v Speaker 1>think that you do have to have some commonality and

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the same kinds of hobbies. I think you do

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>have to have that connection because relationships change with age

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<v Speaker 1>and what period you are in your life. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is, yes, you can fill your

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>cup in other ways with girlfriends, like you can go

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>camping with girlfriends because you love it and your partner

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to, But that only works for so long.

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>That only works when you're young. You're a bit more carefree,

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you got the time, you don't have kids, you're not married,

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>you're not in a job that is so stressful and hectic.

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>When you go into that second transition of life, it's different.

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>You don't have the time that you used to and

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you need to have that connection with your partner. I

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>truly believe that you need to enjoy doing things together.

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be everything. Obviously you were still

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>going to have friendships outside of him, but I do

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>think it's important that you find some commonality. Is he

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>bringing what you need in other capacities?

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Which he's not.

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you have said, he doesn't even plan anniversaries or

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>gets you gifts because he has no time. That is

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>a pretty lay mass excuse to me. Like, everyone has

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>time to make someone in their life that they love

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>feel special. It's like when someone says I've got no

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>time to respond to a text. Bullshit. Everyone has time.

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>If you want to do something, you can do something.

0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>If you want to make your loved one feel loved,

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>it could be a note that you've left on the

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>table for them. There are ways to connect and make

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody feel special in love that don't take a lot

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>of time, don't take a lot of effort, don't take

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money.

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, what it is right when someone says I don't

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>have the time, what they actually mean is is that

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>you're not the top of the priority list because time

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>is reflective of priorities. If someone has the time to

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>do something whatever X, y Z is, that is because

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 2>that is their priority, and we find ways in order

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>to move things that are important to us back up

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to the top of the list. So like, don't get

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>me wrong, like, there will be times in life in relationships,

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>ebbs and flows where your relationship can't always be the priority,

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>and that might be because work is really pressing or

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>there is something else that requires more of your energy.

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 3>But even in saying that, that.

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Can't be the constant because if it is the constant

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and it's something we covered with Mark

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Manson on Tuesday's episode, what that means is is that

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>if it's the constant all the time, it's not necessarily

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>then the priority. Because I do kind of agree with you, Britt,

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>but I guess I don't want to make like big,

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 2>grand sweeping statements about their relationship without having more context,

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 2>because I think that there's a lot of negatives in

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>here without adding in the positives. And sometimes we can

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>be very negatively geared about something we can focus on, Okay,

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 2>well they didn't do this, they didn't do this, they

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't do this, but we don't actually look at, well,

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>what did they do to satisfy other areas and other

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 2>things that are important to me. The only thing I

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 2>want to say, kind of like to sum this up,

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>gaming has a real negative connotation. I think for anyone

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>who's not a gamer, when you hear the word gaming,

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 2>you instantly think like, ugh, like that's so isolating, You're

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 2>not putting any time into our relationship because you're out

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>there doing this thing in a silo, which seems really antisocial.

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 3>And I guess over the years, especially.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Because I have people in my life who game and

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>who are really into it, I also kind of understand

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that for people who are introverted, who are really into

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 2>that world, it's not necessarily as antisocial as what one

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>might think. It can be a way of deregulating for

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>someone who's introverted, although they may have friends online who

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>they play against. So in the same way that you

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 2>might go out and go to the pub, or you

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>might go out and hang out with your friends, that

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>might be his version of hanging out with his friends.

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>It's only a negative thing if it's impacting your relationship

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 2>because he's prioritizing it over spending time together.

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>No, to be clear, I'm not telling anyone to put

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>any relationship in the bin, Like, no one's gone in

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the bin. Yeah we have before, but this is not it,

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>And there is nothing wrong with gaming. These are separate issues, like,

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that's not what the issue here is. The issue here

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>is that there's just no connection now I'm not saying

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:32.959
<v Speaker 1>in the relationship, but you do need to go through

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a process first. I think there is

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>no reason you can't sit down and communicate. Firstly, let's

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>break it down, let's do the you don't feel the affection,

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't feel the attention and the love, sit down

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and say that, say like, you know, I don't care

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that you game. That doesn't bother me. But if I'm

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>not getting what I need from any other aspect, it's

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>really starting to affect me.

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 3>And you know, when it's that anniversary of our birthday.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't need big presence, I don't need big gifts,

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>but I don't feel like I don't feel like I'm important.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think you can have that conversation. The problem

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>in the relationships only start to intensify when you've had

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>those conversations and there's no change, so you don't immediately.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 1>People aren't mind readers.

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 3>If you're not.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Communicating, they're not gotta know. The next thing I wanted

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>to say is write down, print out like a humongous

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>list of activities that you could do, different sports, different hobbies,

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and might be pup puck, golf, whatever he might love

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>going to an arcade and you might find that you

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>enjoy that as well. Write down a huge list, start

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 1>to go through it together until you find something that

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you both enjoy. And if you go through a mega

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>list and there is not one thing that you guys

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 1>can connect on and he's still not putting it in

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the effort, then yeah, put him in the bin.

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 3>In the bin, sorry, sweetheart. You need to get in

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 3>the bin. Now. That's it, that's our relationship. Get in

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the ball. Life on Cut said so.

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Question number three. I go to a prestigious university and

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone there is well off and always very posh and

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>well dressed. Think Rolex Cartier, Louis Baton and the works.

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I've had to fake it till I make it my

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>whole way through trying to fit in. I am often

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>embarrassed in public by my family. Their polar opposite to

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>me and a very loud and obnoxious, very aussy if

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I'm a very self conscious

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>person and it'll ruin my day if I think someone

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>is judging me, and I'm scared that this will happen.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to offend them and I love them,

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>but is it okay for me to ask them to

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>act differently and tone it down for my sake. Any

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>help is appreciated.

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 3>I feel really sorry for you.

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 2>And the reason why I say I feel sorry for

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>you is not because of the people that your family is.

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>It's because of how insecure you must be as a

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>person that you feel as though you need to change

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>the people around you. Because the thing is, every single person,

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 2>everyone has someone in their family who's fucking a bit

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 2>wild and a bit odd, do you know what I mean?

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 2>But they're not a reflection of who you are as

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 2>a person necessarily, And there's nothing that you've said about

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>your parents or your family that makes me go, oh,

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.720
<v Speaker 2>they're a bad person, that's why you'd want them to change.

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Or they're humiliating, that's why you'd want them to change.

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>They say things that are racist or inappropriate. I would

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 2>understand if that was the premise of it. But if

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 2>it's just because they're loud and they're vibrant, and they're

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a bit crazy and cut from a slightly different cloth

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>to the people that you spend time with at university,

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I would say that that is inherently, deeply judgmental, and

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I would be prioritizing my family over people who come

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>from labels and brands and care about things that are

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>extremely superficial in.

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 3>The long run.

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>So I think that the place where you need to

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>start is on yourself and is on your self worth,

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>and is on your self identity, and it is on

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>your values and figuring out what is the most important

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 2>thing to you in life. And if the most important

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 2>thing to you in life is fitting in, then this.

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Will always be a problem for you.

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.280
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. This makes me upset to think about

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 1>this family, and that's again we're making the assumption that

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>they're not homophobic, they're not racist, they're not out total

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>no pick it in the streets. If they're just a

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of a rough, fossy bogan kind of family that

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>don't walk around in rolelexes and Cartier spoiler, one percent

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of people walk around in rolelex and cartier Like that

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 1>is not a common thing.

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 3>It's also not relatable, like who fucking cares?

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>And also the feeling that you have to fake it

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>until you make it to fit in. Like I know

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that that's a separate conversation here, because one side of

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.479
<v Speaker 1>this is about your family embarrassing you, and the second

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 1>side is faking it. To you make it because everyone

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 1>else is wearing all this stuff that is saying more

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>about you than anyone else in this situation. You do

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>not need fancy things to impress people, and you do

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>not need fancy things to win friends.

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I think this also is an age thing, and I

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 2>don't want to sound age just when I say this,

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 2>but you're at university and I know that they are

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 2>very impressionable years where everyone wants to fit in, like

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone wants to have the friendship group and have those

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 2>strong connections with their friends. The reason why I say

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is also age related is because

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I think when I was young, I probably felt a

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit the same. And I don't say that I

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 2>ever wanted my family to change or anything, but I

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>sometimes felt like I needed to prepare my friends for

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 2>like how different my dad is Terry Brn or how

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 2>my mom can say one line is which I would

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 2>have been like, oh my god, how embarrassing, like please

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 2>mum stop talking. And I felt, probably when I was younger,

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that I needed to prepare people a little bit for

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.439
<v Speaker 2>the uniqueness of my family. But like now, as someone

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.359
<v Speaker 2>who's thirty seven, who has my own kids, I don't

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking care anymore. Like, my parents are so different and

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 2>we've kind of navigated the ebbs and flows of our relationship.

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm so proud of the people that they are.

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>And if anybody ever kind of looked at them and

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 2>judged them for not being as polished or the version

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 2>of what they would expect, I think that that says

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.439
<v Speaker 2>so much about the other person. And I would never

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 2>want someone in my life who judges my family. And

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess for me, this probably wasn't so much around friends,

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>but it was around boyfriends. I remember having feelings of like, oh,

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>will my boyfriends like my family, and will I need

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to kind of give them a bit of a heads

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 2>up around like, you know, the ways in which my

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>dad communicates or the way in which my mum communicates,

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>and kind of give them the backstory in order for

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>them to not feel judgmental. Now, when I think of that, like,

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that's fucking crazy. And I guess it's because the people

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>who you have in your life, like your family, your parents,

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 2>your siblings, they are their own people and they are

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>not a direct reflection of who you are as a person.

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And I really do think I mean, maybe it's a

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>case of and I don't want to say speaking to

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 2>a therapist because maybe that feels a bit much, but

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>like doing a bit of inner work, like reading up

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 2>on sort of like your own values and understanding what's

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>important to you as a person, figuring out are these

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.280
<v Speaker 2>the type of people that you want in your life

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 2>as your lifelong friends. If you feel like you're always

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 2>playing a game where you have to play up being

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 2>someone different to who you actually are, is that not

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna then just breed more insecurity in you as a person.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 1>All right, bring us home, Laura.

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 2>All right, last question, and I find this one a

0:39:56.840 --> 0:40:00.879
<v Speaker 2>tricky one, being a mum myself who also sometimes gives

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>their kid too much screen time.

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 3>All Right.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my closest friends has an almost one year

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<v Speaker 2>old baby. Her partner and her are the type of

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<v Speaker 2>people who love having the TV on in the background

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<v Speaker 2>at their house most of the day. Think music videos

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<v Speaker 2>or sport. It's kind of just background noise for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed that since having their bub they have continued

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. I don't think that the baby is

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<v Speaker 2>getting direct screen time, but I would say they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>a significant amount of indirect screen time. For example, my

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<v Speaker 2>friend has commented to me before how much the baby

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<v Speaker 2>loves watching TV, and in video she shares of the baby,

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<v Speaker 2>the TV is always on in the background. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think my friend is aware that screen time is

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<v Speaker 2>not recommended for children under two. I also didn't know that,

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<v Speaker 2>so my kids are also fucked. My question is should

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<v Speaker 2>I bring Should I bring the screen time National Guidelines

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<v Speaker 2>to my friend's attention, and if so, how should I

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<v Speaker 2>do this in a kind and non judgmental way. I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely know my friend would never intentionally do anything detrimental

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<v Speaker 2>to the health and wellbeing of her baby. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also know that if I was doing something unknowingly that

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<v Speaker 2>might impact my child's wellbeing, I would want to be informed.

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<v Speaker 1>I picture of walking in with like one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight page document that's tied by string. When she

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<v Speaker 1>slaps it down on the table, She's like, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>National TV Guidelines. That is so funny. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you can bring the National Guidelines to her. I really don't,

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<v Speaker 1>even though you're a good, caring friend. And I also

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<v Speaker 1>find this to be a tricky place. Now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I can comment that heavily because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have kids. So Laura, I definitely want your opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>this being a mum, but I don't think it's your

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<v Speaker 1>place to parent another person's children. And I could be

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<v Speaker 1>getting this wrong, right. I haven't done the research into

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<v Speaker 1>just how detrimental it is for a child underto to

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<v Speaker 1>watch screen time, Like what is it actually doing? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>is it giving them brain cancer? Because there's a difference

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<v Speaker 1>with Hey, I feel like I've been seeing you leave

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<v Speaker 1>your child out in the sun a lot with no

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<v Speaker 1>sunscreen on, so I just feel like that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing to do. Yes, I would be saying that

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. If your friends lett the kid burn all

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<v Speaker 1>the time in the sun, that's different to some background TV.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like it's one of those picky battle things.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like I can comment because I have

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<v Speaker 2>two children and they have watched and do watch TV,

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<v Speaker 2>and the TV's on in our house and sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>background TV, and sometimes we just have the TV on

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<v Speaker 2>with music playing because Spotify plays through our TV. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there are lots of ways that you

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<v Speaker 2>can fuck your kids up, and a bit of extra

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<v Speaker 2>screen time is probably not gonna do deep fundamental damage.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, look, if you want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian regulations on screen time, it's that children under

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen months shouldn't have any screen time at all. They

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<v Speaker 2>should not see a TV, which is great, don't let

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<v Speaker 2>them watch burn. Yeah, looks it's also apparently inappropriate to

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<v Speaker 2>learn that one the hard way. I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>is it's great in theory for a lot of parents,

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<v Speaker 2>it's unachievable. And keeping complete screen time away from your

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<v Speaker 2>kids from under eighteen months and I'm talking like you

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<v Speaker 2>might be breastfeeding and be on your phone, you might

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<v Speaker 2>be doing something and the TV's on in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for majority of Australian households, that's pretty hard to manage.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it mean that like you're setting your kid up

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<v Speaker 2>and they're watching four hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Of cocoa melon. That's a whole different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's what she was doing, then yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 2>maybe say like, oh, how do you feel about screen time?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, like du I noticed you don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is there are very few moms

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<v Speaker 2>and dads out there, unless they have been living in

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<v Speaker 2>a literal hole, who don't know that screen time is

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<v Speaker 2>a controversial topic, right everyone knows it. Everyone knows that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, putting a kid in front of a tablet

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<v Speaker 2>or like, you know, having them watch a phone or

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<v Speaker 2>a TV is not necessarily a good thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think TVs are better than say iPhones or YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>which are very quick moving you can change the content continuously.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a different thing having free to air playing in

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<v Speaker 2>the background or having like Spotify music playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>background verse cropping your kid up and putting you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, four hours a Coco Melanon. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also think moms get shamed for fucking everything. Like it

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<v Speaker 2>is hard being a mum, It is hard finding time

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself. It is hard keeping kids entertained distracted whilst

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<v Speaker 2>you're potentially also juggling work, juggling everything else in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think for some people it is something

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<v Speaker 2>that is used and lent on because it is an

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<v Speaker 2>easier way of managing. And so I would say that

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<v Speaker 2>she's probably aware of it. I would say she probably

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<v Speaker 2>knows that it's not the best thing to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>all you bringing it up is going to make her

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<v Speaker 2>feel super judged. It's probably not impacting, especially if it's

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<v Speaker 2>ambient TV in a way that you seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>as concerned about because there's so many worse ways to

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<v Speaker 2>parent than a bit of screen time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just tried to imagine because I always try

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<v Speaker 1>and put myself in that situation, but I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if I came to your house one day, Laura

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<v Speaker 1>and brought that up to you, if the girl's watching TV,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, hey, do you think that the

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<v Speaker 1>girl's been watching a bit too much TV? Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, if you know it's really bad for them,

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<v Speaker 1>would not go down well. And I know that, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are very close. I just know that you feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you fucking take them. Then what do you want me

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<v Speaker 1>to do? Like, I think that this you know I

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier, piky battle. I don't think this is your battle.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there will be some mums who will

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<v Speaker 2>be listening to this and they will think, well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a shit way of parenting. You shouldn't have your kids

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<v Speaker 2>watching screen times. And I get it. I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a better mum than me. That's okay. In

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<v Speaker 2>the competition of who's the best mum, you can be

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<v Speaker 2>better than me. And I know it comes back down

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<v Speaker 2>to that idea of priorities, blah fucking blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are some times where I have to get

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<v Speaker 2>x YZ done and having the TV on enables me

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<v Speaker 2>and allows me to do that. And I think, so

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<v Speaker 2>long as you're using it in a mediated way alongside

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<v Speaker 2>craft activities, going to the park, giving your kid other

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<v Speaker 2>ways of being stimulated, and you're supervising the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>they're watching, I just don't see how bad it's gonna be,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Like, what's the trade off? Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I think about me growing up, like, well, yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have tablets.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom didn't give a fuck about screen time.

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<v Speaker 2>That TV was on from the second we woke up

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<v Speaker 2>until the second we went to bed. I'm talking all

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<v Speaker 2>day every day. She never stopped me from I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching South Park when I was seven, Like, I'm fine, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is fine. My mum was a single mum of

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<v Speaker 2>three kids. That's why the TV was on all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>She couldn't manage. She wasn't managing, and so like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a way of keeping people occupied, knowing that they're

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<v Speaker 2>in a certain room that they needed them to be in,

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<v Speaker 2>and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you worked out like relatively fine, semi okay so far,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're like a solid five out of hand, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Room for improvement, but that's always a good place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think of myself things turned out better

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<v Speaker 2>than they could and that's always a positive.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a positive anyway, guys. I hope that's a takeaway

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<v Speaker 3>for you all today.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, let us know what you think if you disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with anything that we've said, if you would approach it differently,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think especially the screen time one, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>so interested to know from other moms how you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about it or what you would want from your friends,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when we laughed, but especially when it does come

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<v Speaker 2>from a well meaning to place, what you would like.

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