1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio as Jared Nilei, the 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: CLP's deputy opposition leader and regular hunter. Good morning to you, Jared. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners. Yes I am a 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: keen hunter. I've been doing a long time, so I 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: have to throw that out there. It's my conflict of 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: interest and a keen hunter. 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Now what exactly do these proposed changes entail? First off, well, look. 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: The reason why is there's been more and more people 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: coming up here and hunting is a big part of 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: the territory lifestyle. There's no question about that. And there's 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: people for it and there's people against it, and it 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: go either way. But look, the people who do go 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: out there is getting overcrowding. Some of the hundred reserves 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: is getting harder to get AMMO, especially if you interstate licenses. 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: So what we're about is trying to make the territory 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: a lifestyle better and hunting is part of that. So 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: is fishing, and so it was full driving, but this 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: is focusing on hunting. Can we want to make sure 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: that when you go out to these hundred reserves, you're 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: not on each other's pocket. You can thread out a 21 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: little bit, you can get your bag limits sorted out 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: and give people some certainty because there's been a whole 23 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: range of ups and downs in relation to hunting seasons 24 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: and bag limits, and it's really difficult for people who 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: come up from down south, who normally plan six or 26 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: ten months in advance of a holiday, to work out 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: if they can they come up, can they're not come up, 28 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: or they're going to be a hunting can they not? 29 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: How many birds can they take? It's been down to 30 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: three At the moment, it's some seven, and we want 31 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: to just keep it at that. There's been forty years 32 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: of data in relation to wildlife, and so we think 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: that these seven and ten which is seven geese and 34 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: ten ducks, which is what it is now, and I 35 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: fully accept that, but it does go up and down. 36 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: We just want to make some certainty for hunters. They 37 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: know that if they come to the territory in the 38 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: hunting season, they'll be able to go and shoot it. 39 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: Go. That's going to stay in place for five years, five. 40 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: Years, and of course we have to throw a disclaimer 41 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: and if there's some sort of severe weather event that 42 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: something happens. 43 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: Well, of course, but oh, you's got to be sensible 44 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: about it. 45 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: If there's no wet season, I'm sure hunting won't be 46 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: an issue, that it be people's boards running out of water. 47 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: But what we're talking about is some certainty for people 48 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: who want to plan holidays and come up here and 49 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: go into the Festival Clays which is next month at 50 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Field and Game. They throw it all in because there's 51 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: lots of people who travel around Australia doing this sort 52 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: of thing. 53 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: Now tell me Jared, Like, from what I can gather, 54 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: there's also going to be a bit of an extension 55 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: to where you can hunt. Is that right? 56 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: Look, we want to extend Harrison Dam to make it 57 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: more room for people to hunt, and we also want 58 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: to find a new hunting area. We know that Evil 59 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: Law are committed to this back in twenty twenty and 60 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: said there's going to be some more hunting and she 61 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: failed to deliver on that. We know that Kezier in 62 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen put motion into Parliament saying there should be 63 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: more hunting reserves. I know that she came out and 64 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: said that the SELPI didn't support that. But but Ir, 65 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: when I spoke to he said he was in Parliament 66 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: on that day and said everyone supported that. 67 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: So was it. It was the former CELP government obviously. 68 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: Well twenty eighteen. Yeah, so that would have been the 69 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: opposition that wasn't before my time, so that would have 70 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: been when Labor in power in twenty eighteen. 71 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: So what's I expose? What's the change of heart? Because 72 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: even for like Kezier listening this morning, if she's listening, 73 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: she's probably thinking, well, what's changed for you guys? 74 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: Well, look, we supported it back in, so we haven't changed. 75 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: I know she's come in and said that we didn't. 76 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: But like I said, I wasn't there. I was contacted, 77 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: but he said he was in parliament that day. 78 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: He said, I suppose we'll be able to go back 79 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: to check the records either way. 80 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: See the way, what do you want to do is 81 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: we want to make it and make our charity life 82 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: style better and hunting is part of that lifestyle. So 83 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: we want to make sure that you want to go 84 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 2: hunting and some certainty. And we're not talking about goose hunting, 85 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: but we're also talking about back country hunting because people 86 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: go out into those government controlled areas, but not everyone 87 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: goes goose hunting. I think there's seventy one thousand firem 88 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: owners and so hunting, other sorts of pig hunting with 89 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: bows or with some dogs. It's all out there. So 90 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: we want to make it across the field to give 91 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: people who want to do that pastime an easier opportunity. 92 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: And so the increasing the size of Harrison Dam Hunting Reserve. 93 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Is there any other areas that would be increased or changed? 94 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: WELLOK, we want to try and find another area of land. 95 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: I know that there's you know, there's lots of wetland 96 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: in Northern Territory. There's lots of land control by the government, 97 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: and there's lots of land, maybe some original amber. We 98 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: needed to negotiation to them. Of course, we want to 99 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: deal with stakeholders to come up with some more hunting 100 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: reserved to enable people to spread out and make it 101 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: safeer to go hunting, because what you don't want is 102 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: layer on layer of people hunting for one or two 103 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: geese that are flying over, but it could become dangerous. 104 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: So I know that there's going to be people listening 105 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: this morning who are quite angered by this announcement. You know, 106 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: some people are going to be listening and seeing this 107 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: as being cruel and not agreeing with hunting. What do 108 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: you say to them. 109 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: Well, look, I understand their position and I accept their position, 110 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: but there are people out there who do go hunting. 111 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: Hunting has been a traditional way in the territory for 112 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: a long time. Original has been hunting for forty one thousand 113 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: years up here, and people continue to do it. We 114 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: need to make sure it's done safely, and we need 115 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: to make sure that it's safe for not only the 116 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: hunters but also the birds, and just give people some 117 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: certainties if they want to. I'm not go hunting, don't 118 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: come hunting. 119 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Jared Brief has message through and he said, Hi, Katie, 120 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: any chance the sealp could put a bounty on pigs. 121 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm a small hay farmer and the pigs cost me 122 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: over twenty thousand dollars in lost hay. 123 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think bart was always talking about in 124 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: a million dollar year year. I'm not going to say 125 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: that right now, but look, I understand what your situation. 126 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: I know the damage even a small herd of peace 127 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: can do to a hay paddock. We need to look 128 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: at it. There's obviously there's an issue out there. Can 129 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: we open it up to people who want to do 130 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: it for free and go out there with back huntry 131 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: hunting with people out there who are certified hunters, who 132 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: go into back country, into government control lands, they have 133 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: done courses, they go out there, they do it humanly. 134 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: Can we open up can we expand that to make 135 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: it easier for hunters to hunt and also to deal 136 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: with some of these problems about landhoteys. 137 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: There was some concerned yesterday when I mentioned this announcement, 138 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: some people saying, well, hang on a second, We're going 139 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: to make it easier for people to get guns. 140 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: No, we're not. We're not going to make it easier. 141 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: We're not changing the law in relation to firearms, which 142 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: it's just going to stay the same. But what we 143 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: want to do is if you do go through and 144 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: jump all the hoops of having a firearm and holding licenses, 145 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: because I've had a license firearm license for many, many 146 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: years and it is difficult to do. You need to 147 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: have your guns store in a particular safe, you have 148 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: your AMMO stored in another particular safe, and ultimately, when 149 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: you travel you've got to have your guns hidden as 150 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: alcohol rules. So we're not making easier to get a license, 151 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: but if you do have a license, we're making easier 152 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: to hunt. 153 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: Now Jered before I let you go this morning, I 154 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: know that we are expecting potentially an announcement to be 155 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: made about whether the curfew in Ollie Springs is extended 156 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: or not. Do you think it needs to be extended 157 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: based on what you're seeing in the red center right now? 158 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: Well, look, ultimately the curfew is a stopcap measure and 159 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: the Labor government have failed territories across the board. We're 160 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: not talking about hunting because they failed to deliver in 161 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: hunting areas as well. But now we're talking about safety. 162 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: People in the Northern Charity, no matter where you live, 163 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: deserved to be safe and this just shows how these 164 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: little chips away the government have changed the law by 165 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 2: a raising a crime responsibility, taking away breach of bail, 166 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: taking away the consequences. What the COLP want to do 167 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: if we get into power, we want to make sure 168 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: that if you commit a crime, there's going to be 169 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: a consequence. We're talking about mandatory behavior program mandatory alcohol 170 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: aabilitation programs and community service boot camps because we want 171 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: to make sure that there's going to be a consequence 172 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: not only to the offenders, but we want to make 173 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: sure when they do offend, they come out a better person, 174 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: because we know they're just putting someone in jail, put 175 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: him in a warehouse for three or six months doesn't 176 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: help them. In fact, they've probably come out a better criminal. 177 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: We want to make sure those people have access to 178 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: courses and come out a better person so they can 179 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: make better choice decisions as they move forward, so they 180 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 2: can come back into the community and get a job 181 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 2: and move on. Because people make mistakes, there's no problems 182 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: about that, but we want to make sure that if 183 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: you're going into prison that you're going to do some 184 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: mandatory training and skills to get out of there. And 185 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: also not just put people in jail. We're talking about 186 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: boot camp, sentenced to a skill and give them some 187 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: choice to go out and make a better decision when 188 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: they move forward as they get older. 189 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Jereed Mailey, we're going to have to leave it there, 190 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: but we've got you back on for the week that 191 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: was tomorrow, don't we Yes, I'll be so lunch. I 192 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: believe at this stage you'll be joined by Matt Cunningham, 193 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: Kate Worton and Kesy Eppiric, So it should be. 194 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: A good one, Okay, I look forward to it. 195 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks mate, everybody that