1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: As you heard last week, Brent Potter is the latest 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: to defend his shareholding in a company behind a major 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: prawn pride project in the Northern Territory. Now. He bought 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: eighty seven hundred shares in Sea Farms in June twenty 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: twenty one while working for the then Aquaculture Minister Nicole Madison, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: claiming that he declared them after being elected as the 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Member for Fanny Bay. The Minister for Police Brent Potter 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: joins me in the studio right now. Good morning to you, Brent, 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Good morning Katie. Now why did you buy those shees? 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: Let's just clarify something because some of the information that 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: is not correct. I bought them in June twenty twenty 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: one as the Police Advisor and I declared them as 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: an advisor. I've declared them as an MLA, and I 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: declared them as a minister and then I sold them 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: in November of this year, also last year when I 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: became a minister, And like many Territorians, it was a 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: major project well before I started government to put money 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: into them. It was exciting and like most Territorians, you 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: want to back a territory business or opportunity for jobs 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: and the economy. 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: Is that why you bought them? 22 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 23 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: Now, in your role as an were you ever privy 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: to any conversations about that project. 25 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: No, And the forms that I've provided to your team 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: on the day last week, and as I showed ABC 27 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: very clearly in the conflict of interest form, I had 28 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: to articulate how I'd manage that conflict had to be 29 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: signed off by my chief of staff and then Gunner's 30 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: chief of staff at the time. I never got involved 31 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: in any conversations. I never got any information that wasn't public, 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: And then after I purchased the shares, I never was 33 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: ever in any conversations in relation to seafarms. 34 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: So I mean you said, you've just said it that 35 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: you obviously had no knowledge of some of the inside 36 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: workings of that project whatsoever. Is basically what you're saying 37 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, how can people be sure of 38 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: that when you were working for the minister that had 39 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: responsibility of that project, and I get that you had 40 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: a separate portfolio, but are you telling our listeners that 41 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: there were never any kinds of conversations that you were 42 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: privy to in any way, shape or. 43 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: Form, nothing that was not public. And it's no different. 44 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: I guess to how departments deal with these opportunities or 45 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: events that are going to occur in the territory and 46 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: other than show people the forms that I had to 47 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: come with than the rules that I had to comply with. 48 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: That that's what I can offer them. And to be honest, 49 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: this will happened well before I became an advisor getting 50 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: major project status. The CEO of Sea Farms was on 51 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: ABC and on this show previously talking about the project. 52 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you as a territory and back of territory 53 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: opportunity that sounded amazing for territory and jobs. 54 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: So you didn't have any inside knowledge whatsoever. 55 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: I can repeat it again, I did not, and I'm 56 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: happy to go on the record in any way, shape 57 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: or form and say that. And that's why I provided 58 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: all the paperwork from the very start. 59 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 4: To prove it. 60 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: Does it pass the pub test? Bread Like, this is 61 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: the thing. I guess. 62 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: With the situation with the former Chief Minister Natasha Files, 63 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: then with the situation with Chancey Paik now with you, 64 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, do these three scenarios past the pub test? 65 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: I mean, Natasha sort of said a pretty high. 66 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: Standard in terms of stepping down following her She's scandal. 67 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: Now we just sort of continue to see bits and 68 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: pieces of info. 69 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: They're three very different issues to what occurred with mine. 70 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: Mie were completely declared. 71 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: I was never a member of Parliament and told them 72 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: as I was required to when I became a minister. 73 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: Those two other instances you speak about are very different 74 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: to mine. What I would say though, is I know 75 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: that on the fifth floor as advisors we actually have 76 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: a conflict of interest process. At no point, as anyone 77 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: asked if you opposition have one, we have a process 78 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: deliberately how. 79 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: The policy development. 80 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: But if that's the case, well same goes with you 81 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: as an advisor, and. 82 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: That's why you declare it, right, That's why you don't 83 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: sit in the room. That's why you don't get involved 84 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: in those discussions. And ultimately they were declared from the 85 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: very day I bought those shares, to the point I 86 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: sold them as a minister. 87 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: Are you worried it's going to come back to bite 88 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: you in any way? 89 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: Well, that's ultimately the decision for the electorate. 90 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: The people I've spoken to over the last two weeks, 91 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: one of them actually came up and said, well, it's 92 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: good to see someone else lost money on those shares 93 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: as well. So I think most people understand that all 94 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: of these decisions are related to sea farms. Happened before 95 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: I even ended up being an advisor, So to say 96 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: that I had any inside knowledge couldn't be further from 97 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: the truth. And I'll go on the record to anyone 98 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: that wants to contradict that. 99 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to move along because there's actually so 100 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: much to cover off on from your police portfolio over 101 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: the last week. Now, last week, we had an incredibly 102 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: serious situation I would say, three kids twelve and thirteen, 103 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: when on a crime spree, they stole a car and 104 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: allegedly attempt to ram it at police cars at around seven. 105 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: Thirty in the morning. 106 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: It was near a school while other kids are obviously 107 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: trying to get to school. The police that told me 108 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: on the show that they were targeting their cars and 109 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: that this kind of behavior is increasing. Now that Trio, 110 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: as I understand it, we're on bail. How is that possible? 111 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: Can I just think those officers involved, from both TRIED 112 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: and the Territory Response Group, those officers in an amazing 113 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: body of work there to protect territorians, and you are right, 114 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: those youth are on bail. And I want to say 115 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: this to Territorians because it gets lost. The legislation is 116 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: there for a judge to deny a youth bail and 117 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: hold them on remand and it squarely rests with the 118 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: judiciary in this instance to start reminding these youth that 119 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: teut these bail laws and go against the judge's direction. 120 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: Don't continue to regrant them bail. Remind them in the 121 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: facility that we have funded all the three new youth 122 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: camps that we've committed to, so you don't have to 123 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: put them in don Dale. You can put them to 124 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: a camp out in the middle of nowhere where they're 125 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: going to get rehabilitated. They're going to get life skills 126 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: and go to a program on that camp and then 127 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: we'll find them an employment after this. But there is 128 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: no reason to be bailing these youth when they breach 129 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: their bail, and the legislation's already there. We are doing 130 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: a Youth Justice review which will include everything from early 131 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: intervention through to detention, but that's just to confirm if 132 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: the changes from the Royal Commission meet in the environment 133 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: we find ourselves in. 134 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: Now it sounds like you're putting the judiciary on notice. 135 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'm telling them that the legislation is there so 136 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: for them not to use it and to continue to 137 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: rebail people. And I don't know the specifics of these 138 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: youths background, but what I can to you they drove 139 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: at police, they drove in Nightcliff during a school's own time. 140 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: That is absolutely on those youth and there is no way, 141 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: shape or form anyone could say otherwise that it wasn't 142 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: on them, and therefore they should accountable. 143 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Look, you sound as unhappy as the community sounds about it, 144 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: But why does this keep happening, Brent? Like, why are 145 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: we in a situation where we continue to hear that 146 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: young people are on bail while they're continuing to commit crimes. 147 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: So I don't want to make excuses for these youth 148 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: because they need to be accountable for their own actions, 149 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: and they're old enough to own those actions. They come 150 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 2: from broken families, they come from sexual family violence themselves. 151 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 4: They have no one that cares for them. 152 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: They're not making much. 153 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is though the in family environment 154 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: that they are currently in is actually worse in the 155 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: environment they would find themselves in attention. So when we 156 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: talk about consequence, this is while we speak about the 157 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: three camps that we're standing up and you'll see that 158 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: the next month coming online. That will be the consequence 159 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: because sometimes going into Donda, we know with adults, going 160 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: into prison is actually better than the environment they come from, 161 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: so therefore it's not a consequence. So getting them away 162 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: from what they see as an ideal location to be 163 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: sentenced to and get them out bush working, because that 164 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: will be the content. 165 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: So is that what there is going to be. There's 166 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: going to be a bush camp where kids go out 167 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: to work. 168 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: We've spoken about that. 169 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: So we said one in dah and one in Catherine, 170 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: one analysis, one intending Creek. So very very shortly we 171 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: can talk at the one intent it. We're just lining 172 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: up all of the pieces there. It will be on 173 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: in and around April May, so we can take you 174 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: out there and we. 175 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: Can show you it. 176 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: Why is it taking seven years? 177 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: Listen, I can only talk to the time that I've 178 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: been in the Ministerial office and it's been a number 179 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: one priority and tried and have said to me directly 180 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: that they want these kids taken off the street. Now, 181 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily have to be Dondale, but it needs 182 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: to be something, And I am you are right. 183 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: I'm just clearly. 184 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: Identifying for territorins at are listening that there is the 185 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: legislation right now to remand them, and that judiciary needs. 186 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: To take that. 187 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: Look there isn't in every situation though, of course. I mean, 188 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: as we heard a couple of weeks ago, there was 189 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: those young kids that had held up a person who 190 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: after they'd left a bike in the middle of the road. 191 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: They'd held him up then with a machete and bushed 192 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: him and stole his car. 193 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: Now, my understanding is that that was their first offense. 194 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: So luck you said, because I was about to say 195 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: it was their first offense. 196 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: That's and I like, I get that, And I'm not saying, 197 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, nobody thinks that every kid should be looked 198 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: behind in jail, Like nobody thinks that. But you know, 199 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: there was people asking that week, do you literally have 200 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: to murder somebody before you get sort of some kind 201 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: of punishment. 202 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: Well, no, I think in that instance what we need 203 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: to be looking at is the individual circumstances of the youth. 204 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: And I don't know the background of those kids, but 205 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: I do like you rightly point out, know that was 206 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: their first offense, and it's concerning that that was the 207 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: first escalation to that type of offending. And we are 208 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: and I don't know, Terah Toys don't like hearing, but 209 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: we are seeing it across North Australia as a whole. 210 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: And I think there's a failed bunch of policies for 211 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 2: the last two decades that have led us to this position. 212 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 2: And that's not absolving them of the responsibility for their actions, 213 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: but it gives context as to why we see this. 214 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: So Brent, just to be clear, I mean, and I 215 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: know I'm chopping and changing from different scenarios, but in 216 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: that situation last week where you've literally got three kids 217 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: that have allegedly been ramming police cars and they were 218 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: on bail, like to you, it sounds, you know, it 219 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: sounds to me from what you were saying, that is 220 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: not good enough and you are not happy that the 221 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: judiciary has allowed them back on the streets. Why do 222 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: you think that is happening. 223 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: As the police Minister, That's exactly what I'm saying, and 224 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: I know that police hold the same opinion. I can't 225 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: speak for why the judges have made that decision. I 226 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: can't speak for what is being presented to the judiciary 227 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: to make that determination, but on the face of it, 228 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: it is very disappointing. And as the Police Minister, I'll 229 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 2: support my front line who say they're sick of seeing it. 230 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: And I have no doubt that these youth have a 231 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: rap sheet that would have determined they should probably not 232 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: have been given bail. But I want territories to be 233 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: understanding that the legislation clearly stipulates that they can be 234 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: reminded for breaching their bail conditions for serious offenses. And 235 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: these are serious offenses. 236 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: So you are saying that nothing needs to change legislation wise, 237 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: but there clearly needs to be a changing of the 238 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: thought process. 239 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: Well, there is abilities right now for police to contest 240 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: decisions from the judiciary and I'm looking forward to seeing 241 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: the outcomes of the review because if the review comes 242 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: back to me and says we need to make changes, 243 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: whether it's bailed to early intervention to detention, will make them. 244 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: What I don't necessarily believe is me, as the elected 245 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: member and all the opposition, actually have the expertise to 246 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: make that determination. It's very easy for the opposition to 247 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: say we'll just change bail, but that may cause more 248 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: problems than it actually results. 249 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: What kind of problems, Well, for. 250 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: Example, we know that if you continue to put youth 251 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: into detention for a variety of different offending, you're more 252 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: likely to see that person become an adult defender and 253 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: end up in the judiciary. Now, what we're saying is, 254 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: let's do the review and if that says we need 255 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: to change the bail piece around sentencing to bush camps, 256 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: then we can do that. Or if it says we 257 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: need to do it for Donda, we'll do that. If 258 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: it says that we need to do further early intervention. 259 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: We'll do that. 260 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: But with those bush camps, we don't actually have one 261 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: that's up and running. 262 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 4: Yes, no, we do. We have seven em us that 263 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: is up and running, So. 264 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: I think it's are in they Oh, listen, that's the 265 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: best discussion for the territory families. Minister. I don't know 266 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: if the top of. 267 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: My head, but I also you reckon it's being utilized 268 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: in the way that it should be. 269 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: The last proof I got it was being utilized and 270 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: they do get a capacity obviously wet season like getting 271 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: people out there. But ultimately we need more of those camps. 272 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: That's the raw truth. We need more camps to sentence 273 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: these youth too, and divert them onto because we know 274 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: that if we get them out there, they get them working, 275 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: We'll get them into a job. 276 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: Are they going to get sent there though, Yeah, that's well, this. 277 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 4: Is the point. 278 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: So once we get them up, that is the option 279 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: for the judiciary that if they've got a youth in 280 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: front of them, they can say, well, option, mate, you're 281 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: going to this camp or I'm reminding you in Dondale. 282 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: And so let's put those options in front of the 283 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: judiciary and let them make that decision. 284 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: Are you worried, like when you've got a situation like 285 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: we saw unfold last week, right, are you worried that 286 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: we are going to see an innocent life lost? God 287 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: for bed one of those children. It's behind the wheel 288 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: of that vehicle that at twelve and thirteen. And I 289 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: know that you know there's probably not a huge amount 290 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: of public sympathy for them, But I've got kids that 291 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: at that age, and I think it would be absolutely 292 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: horrifying if something happened to one of those kids in 293 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: that car, or to one of our police officers. 294 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: On the road first. 295 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: And foremost innocent bystanders and those first front line officers 296 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: that are out doing the job that we would ask 297 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: them to do is my greatest concern. And obviously I 298 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: worry for the kids in the car. I don't think 299 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: they quite comprehend the severity of what may be the outcome. 300 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: And we see that time and again with joy riding 301 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: and the like on you know, you were hear about 302 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: not even criminals, just kids getting out there and doing 303 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: and it leads to tragic outcomes. But my biggest concern 304 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: upfront is for the front line and for the unison 305 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: bystander from these youth, because they won't comprehend what they've done. 306 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: All Right, I'm going to move along. 307 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the pathway that was announced 308 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: last week for palais to become constables. Nathan Finn told 309 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: us on the show that the pathway is going to 310 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: mean that we don't have palis on bottle shops in 311 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: Alice Springs. Take a bit of a listen to what 312 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: he had to say on the show last week. 313 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 5: Twenty eight constables are actually short. They've transitioned out of 314 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 5: the Southern region in that twelve month period. We've had 315 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 5: two officers come back to the Northern Territory Police, which 316 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 5: there was thirty or so left Alice Springs Constable wise, 317 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 5: and they've transferred to other divisions in the Northern Terrechory 318 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 5: Police or transferre to other positions. On top of that 319 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 5: is the nineteen palais that are actually going to be 320 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 5: removed and placed on this constable's course in Alice Springs 321 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 5: as starting on the eleventh of March. So from Alice 322 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 5: Springs on the eleventh of March, they're not going to 323 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 5: have a position. They're going to have two operational palis 324 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 5: in Alice Springs to conduct this bottle shop work in 325 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 5: Alice Spring So. 326 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Brent, is that the case we're only going to have 327 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: two palis on the bottle shops. 328 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: We have other mechanisms to cot. I'd like to explain 329 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: that to you and your listeners, And just for your listeners, 330 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: I made it very clear to Nathan on the phone 331 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: the day that I did the announcement on how we. 332 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: Would cover down on bottle shops. So what will happen. 333 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: We have over fifteen we have fifteen licensing inspectors in 334 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: our springs that were funded under the federal government funding 335 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: last year. They have the same power to sit on 336 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: the bottle shop. That is what they will be doing. 337 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: And we've had Licensing andt and Northern Territory Police coordinate 338 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: that now so we have coverage. But even before this, 339 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: when we had a pally that was sick for work 340 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: or we didn't have the coverage on a bottle shop, 341 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: there would be an overtime call for constables and that's 342 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: how it would be filled and then as required, sometimes 343 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: licensing inspectors would end up covering down. So we will 344 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: have coverage on all our bottle shops. But Nathan says, 345 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: on one hand he wants more officers in Central Australia, 346 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 2: and then on the other hand he says he doesn't 347 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: believe these officers are suitable to then become constables. That's contradictory. 348 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: He represents both members. Let me tell you how long 349 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: the course will be a pali right now to graduate 350 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: does sixteen weeks. These other thirty two or thirty plus 351 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: officers that are going to become constables have to do 352 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: another sixteen weeks to be a constable. It's a thirty week, 353 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: thirty one week program. So for these palies converting. They'll 354 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: do a total of thirty two weeks at the college. 355 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: I would argue that makes them suitably qualified to go 356 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: out and do bottle shops but also do general policing 357 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: duties in our springs and the Central Desert region. 358 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: So just to confirm, there's going to be fifteen licensing 359 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: inspectors go and cover the bottle shops in Alice Springs. 360 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: That's still a shortage though. 361 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: Right between licensing and the constables that are in our 362 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: springs right now, plus the remaining palies that aren't getting converted, 363 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: we have enough coverage. Not every bottle shop in our 364 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: springs every day gets a pally on it. Let me 365 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: be really clear for those in daw And if you 366 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: go to Alice Springs, there is some bottle shops that 367 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: just don't get a pali because we can't feel those 368 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: pali positions. And I made a commitment to the palies 369 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: that I spoke to across Catherine TenneT Creek and Alis 370 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: that said to me, I want to do more, but 371 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: I can't do more because the legislation restricts me. Well, 372 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: let's give them the powers, Let's get more police officers 373 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: on the ground, and we all agree we have a shortage. 374 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: It's incumbent of me to get as many offices as 375 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: I can on the groend the fastest means possible, and 376 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: keeping people palis, particularly that don't want to stay at 377 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: Pally forever, is my number one priority to get. 378 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: Them back out. 379 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: So you are not concerned in any way that there's 380 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: going to be a short fall or that Alice Springs 381 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: is going to see the ramifications of any kind of 382 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: shortfall as a result of this program. 383 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: No, and right now police manage that anyway through other 384 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: resources to cover down on our bottle shops. But let's 385 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: have a talk about what we've done to get us 386 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: to this point. We introduce the seven day band drinker. Notice, 387 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: we already have some of the most stringent alcohol controls 388 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: in Alice Springs, and we know that we need more 389 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: police officers. So I feel like we're in the environment 390 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: where we can offer to those palis that want to 391 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: become constables the pathway to get there. They'll be on 392 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: the beat by June. Yes, it is a sixteen week gap, 393 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: but we will cover that. Relizan Los reckon. 394 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: Most people will be thinking to themselves, it seems like 395 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,239 Speaker 1: a really good pathway. It seems like a good announcement, 396 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: but they'll be concerned that there is not going to 397 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: be that coverage on the bottle shops. At the same time, 398 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: we've also got Tourism Central Australia writing to the Chief 399 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Minister asking for a relaxation period for alcohol restriction. 400 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: Is that something that you think should be looked at. 401 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: Well, just go back to the Palace for one second, please, Catie. 402 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: The risk we have is I can't recruit enough palis. 403 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: The risk we have with Pali's is retention. So I 404 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: want to we want to keep the officers. We want 405 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: to get them back on the road, so we're converting 406 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: them to constable. So that's the first part in relation 407 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: to the alcohol controls. I have no intention of lifting 408 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: the alcohol measures right now, especially in the next sixteen weeks. 409 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: While I've got officers away getting trained. We don't need 410 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: to see the other two days. I acknowledge TCA's concern. 411 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: You can still purchase alcohol through some of the pubs 412 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: and clubs over the counter for takeaway, is what I've 413 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: been told, and I believe that's been relayed to them. 414 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: I understand they want it to be open all day trading, 415 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: not all day, but the other days that we're not trading. 416 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: And I think that once we see the benefits of 417 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: these palies converted a constable, we see the further BDR 418 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: rollouts that I've spoken about on your show, which will 419 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: come over the next two months, that's when we can 420 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: sit down and have a discussion about lifting those measures. 421 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: And for those in our springs, I. 422 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: Agree, so strictly over the winter period you might see 423 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: a lifting. 424 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I want to see the environment 425 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: those measures are in place, and then we can have 426 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: the discussion. But I want Alice Springs residents to have 427 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: the same access that we have in Darwin and the like, 428 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: because it is unfairly targeting a minority a majority for 429 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: the minority. 430 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 4: That misuse it. 431 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to talk further about that in 432 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: about the next fifteen minutes. We're going to speak to 433 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Central Australian Aboriginal Congress Donna Rchi and find out a 434 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: little bit more from her perspective. But moving along racism 435 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: within the police force. There was some terrible claims made 436 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: last week of systemic racism by former police constable Zachary Rolff. Minister, 437 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: do you think there is systemic racism within the force. 438 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 2: Can I just say racism and discrimination in any organization 439 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: is unacceptable. I think the organization where they are today 440 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: is very different to where they were ten to twenty 441 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: years ago. An organization has to change culturally and we're 442 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: seeing that under the Commissioner. Those comments are made in 443 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: the Colonial Court. The Colonial Court's going to reconvene in May, 444 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: but they are set in there without any recourse for 445 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: members to come back to. So I don't believe it's 446 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: systemic the organization and the organization that I see today, 447 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: whether it's in that the TRG or our General Duties 448 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: Frontline is a highly professional organization that wants to serve 449 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: every territory. 450 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: And across the terrace. 451 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: So do you think that there needs to be any 452 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: work done to ensure the gap between the force and 453 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: some members of the community is breached. 454 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: Well, this is why I think remote postings are so 455 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: important for police and being connected to community. And we 456 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: see actpos and we've seen an increase in a huge 457 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: increase in the Aboriginal liaison offices and the Northern Territory 458 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: Police Force has the highest percentage of First Nations employees 459 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: out of our government agencies. So when we talk about 460 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: leading the charge, the Northern Territory Police Force. 461 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 4: Leads that charge. 462 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm obviously concerned with any allegations, but I think the 463 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: organization that I see both back of house in front 464 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: of house is not that organization that's been portrayed. 465 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: The police commissioner was on the front page on the 466 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: weekend of the paper. 467 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 3: He's allegedly the. 468 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: Person who made racial slurs in a Chinese restaurant. As 469 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: I understand that the IKAK has already looked into the 470 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: and closed it. I mean, are you concerned about this 471 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: claim that had been made? 472 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: These claims were over twenty five years ago. The IKAK 473 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: has reviewed them. I've spoken to the commissioner and the 474 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: comments have been pretty publicly known that there's not recalled 475 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: if they were made. But I personally can't be holding 476 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: or dragging up something from twenty five years ago. 477 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: But I wasn't there. 478 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: Can I ask? 479 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: When is this police review that Vince Kelly's conducting. When's 480 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: it due back? 481 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: Meant to be this month and obviously it's independent, so 482 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: Vince will get that to us when he needs it. 483 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: Oh soo when it's completed and I've been very clear 484 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: our gunment will support him full that police review. 485 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Brent some listener questions, but one in particular, this one, 486 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: it's from a concerned resident. 487 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: It says, good morning, Katie. 488 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: Would you please ask the Minister for Police how are 489 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: they going to manage crime and anti social behavior and 490 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: the safety of the residents of Coconut Growth if the 491 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: proposed site goes ahead. 492 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: For Saint Vincent de Paul So, I just. 493 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: Want to say I'm supportive of the residents in Coconut Grove. 494 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: I do not believe it is the place to be 495 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: relocating that. I also do strongly support it being relocated 496 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: from Stuart Park. But there are other locations. Coconut Grove 497 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: and Nightcliffe already have a significant amount of services there. 498 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: We don't need to add this further burden. But for 499 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 2: those residents in Nightcliff and Coconut Grove, I support you 500 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: on this. I am supporting and I'll work with you 501 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: as your local member, as I did over the weekend 502 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: meeting with businesses. But the Nightcliff Police station will be 503 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: home to the Territory Safety Division, which is twenty officers 504 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: at the moment, will be fifty by the end of 505 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: the year. 506 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: But so do you think this should go ahead? 507 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 4: Not in Coconut Grove, No. 508 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: And should it be moved out of Stuart Park? 509 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely? So where too, Well, there's plenty of sites that 510 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: we can go to. There's other sites owned by that organization. Additionally, 511 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: we can change the model to an outreach model. 512 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: So I mean, look from one side of this, I'm 513 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: thinking to myself here fair enough, you know, nobody wants 514 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: to see the anti social behavior that has been associated 515 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: with that's some vincent nepaul in Stuart Park right Like 516 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: I drive past there quite regularly. You see people all 517 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: around the place at different times of the day. Unfortunately, 518 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: in toxic there is antisocial behavior and it does even 519 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: flow at different times. So people don't want it in 520 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: Stuart Park, they don't want it in Coconut Growth. 521 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 3: But do you need to have. 522 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: These services sort of close to other services so that 523 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: people that are genuinely homeless can actually get the services 524 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: that they require. 525 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I think that there's two groups of people 526 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: that use the service. They're the genuine homeless and we 527 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: need that service for them and it should be expanded. 528 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: We also that service is taken up by people that 529 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: come into town for variety of reasons and then move out. 530 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: And I think that those people that come in without 531 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: a plan need to actually start planning for how they're 532 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: going to stay and where they're going to reside. 533 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 4: In Darwin. 534 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: It is there to support the homeless within Darwin and Palmerston. 535 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: I think we don't just talk Dahn. We need to 536 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: be talking darhw and the northern suburbs and Palmerston and 537 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: then find a location that suits all three because ultimately, 538 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: if you go to an outreach model, you can support 539 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: more people without the requirement for them to come to 540 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: a centralized location. 541 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: Right, So you're thinking a whole different location and they've 542 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: actually been given a few alternatives. 543 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: Well listen, I'm saying that I think at the moment 544 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: it needs to move from where it is. I don't 545 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: think Cocaine Grove is at all appropriate and there is 546 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: a middle ground here. We can all get together and 547 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: find a solution that benefits the people that need the 548 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: service but doesn't impact on the water. 549 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: Can have you spoken again to some finis. 550 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: I speak to them, but it's not my portfoliobviously it's 551 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: a local member. I talk from the local member point 552 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: of view, but in terms of the ministerial funding and 553 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: the peace that comes through another minister being selling a 554 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: U boat and their team and Naria kid. 555 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: All right, we might have to follow up with them. 556 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: It's certainly an interesting one and something that we've received 557 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: quite a lot of feedback from in the last couple 558 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: of days. Yeah, Brent Potter, Minister for Police, we better 559 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: leave it there. Thanks so much for your time. 560 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 4: Thanks Coatie.