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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you in the studio. From Sky News.

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Speaker 1: We have got Matt Cunningham. Good morning, Matt, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Will be lovely to have you back in the studio.

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Speaker 1: And for the Labor Party, the Shadow Minister for lots

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Speaker 1: of different portfolios. I'm thinking Duran Young, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: And can I say Happy New Year? Is it too

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Speaker 1: You still can? I think you still care? Well? It

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Speaker 1: It's been a pretty busy week as well. We know

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Speaker 3: So those initiatives are already in place, I think around

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon it's small? Its service from the

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I think the evidence shows that, and

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Speaker 2: I think the reality is though, in the communities, when

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Speaker 4: Jobs and the mine and the mining industry is so

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Speaker 2: I don't have that detail on me, Katie. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts, boys, what do you reckon about the welcome to

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just you know, we are on aboraginal land,

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Speaker 3: But if you look at traditional methods, there where other

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Speaker 4: I think it's I mean, it's become such a sort

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Speaker 4: You know, I think most people had shivers down their

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Speaker 4: That's what's drawing. And I know there's a difference between

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Speaker 3: there to cut jobs for public servants. So I actually

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Speaker 3: you talked about that. I mean, that's you've got to

438
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Speaker 3: cut money elsewhere. So you just talked about that. So

439
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Speaker 3: it's something that you that's what you're indicating at. That's

440
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Speaker 3: what you're indicating at.

441
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Speaker 2: The only language you know in Laborg.

442
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Speaker 1: Just what you said, we are going to have to

443
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Speaker 1: take a very quick break. You are listening to Mix

444
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Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty. It is the week

445
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Speaker 1: that was you are listening to the week that was,

446
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Speaker 1: if you've just joined us in the studio with us today.

447
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Speaker 1: We've got Murray Claire Boothy, the Attorney General. We've got

448
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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News and to Ryan Young for

449
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Speaker 1: the Labor Party, and we'll look it has been a

450
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Speaker 1: lot happening throughout the week and the jails. We know

451
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Speaker 1: that the jails are once again overflowing. Well I don't

452
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Speaker 1: think they've stopped overflowing, but we've now got more than

453
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Speaker 1: four hundred additional prisoners who've entered the correction system in

454
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory since August last year. Now, the Chief

455
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Speaker 1: Minesster joined us on the show earlier in the week

456
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Speaker 1: and really made no apologies for the fact that people

457
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Speaker 1: are being locked up. She says she wants Territorians to

458
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Speaker 1: be safe. The concern though, is the fact that our

459
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Speaker 1: corrections facilities are busting at the scene. I mean we

460
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Speaker 1: learned earlier in the week the Catherine Watchhouse is now

461
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Speaker 1: being used to house prisoners. We don't have correction staff

462
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Speaker 1: there in Catherine, so that has become the job of

463
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Speaker 1: our Northern Territory Police. We've got more than fifty percent

464
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Speaker 1: of prisoners on remand, and concerns are being raised about

465
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Speaker 1: whether the conditions in which those prisoners are in are

466
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Speaker 1: up to scratch. I mean, first off, four hundred extra prisoners.

467
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Speaker 1: There's some massive numbers, right, and.

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Speaker 2: Let's be really clear. Territorians need to know that that

469
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Speaker 2: is four hundred less people that are out on our

470
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Speaker 2: streets committing crimes against innocent Territorians. And that's the point.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were very clear we wanted to ensure

472
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Speaker 2: police go out and if you're doing something wrong, you

473
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Speaker 2: are arrested and you will be put into a correction

474
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Speaker 2: facility until you get to have your day in court.

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Speaker 2: The Corrections master Plan was stood up only a few

476
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Speaker 2: weeks after we came into government to ensure that we

477
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Speaker 2: could get infrastructure in place to ensure that, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: as police arrest people, there is some way for them

479
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Speaker 2: to go. And that's been fast tracked. The infrastructure people

480
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Speaker 2: and contractors have been working day and night to get

481
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Speaker 2: more beds into the temporary facility at Berrima. There's one

482
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty beds in there. The other Springs Correctional

483
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Speaker 2: Center will come online and there's ninety six beds in that.

484
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Speaker 2: Corrections facility. We have to use the watch housers to

485
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Speaker 2: put people, but those four hundred people are now not

486
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Speaker 2: out on our streets committing more crimes, and that of

487
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Speaker 2: course will make the territories safer place. And we make

488
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Speaker 2: no apologies for continuing along this line. Commission of Valley

489
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Speaker 2: said that prisoners needs are being met. You know, they

490
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Speaker 2: are getting their their water, they're getting their clothes changed

491
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Speaker 2: each day. They they are, they're fine, they're doing okay.

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Speaker 2: I was out at the prison yesterday and at the

493
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Speaker 2: BEMA one, the temporary one. The prisoners in there, their

494
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Speaker 2: well being is being looked after. But we can't forget

495
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Speaker 2: that these people did the wrong thing against somebody else,

496
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Speaker 2: and you know now there's a consequence for that. It's

497
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Speaker 2: not supposed to be a luxurious hotel.

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Speaker 4: I took a tour of the new beh well, new

499
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Speaker 4: old temporary temporary what used to be old Dondale Hang

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Speaker 4: on you don't.

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Speaker 2: Was definitely on for good.

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Speaker 1: But and.

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Speaker 4: The conditions in there that I saw, I think were

504
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Speaker 4: actually really good. The the cells which were either single

505
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Speaker 4: or double had split system air conditioners and plasma TVs.

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Speaker 4: You know, my first view when I looked.

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Speaker 1: In so is this the adult prisoner, the adult.

508
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Speaker 4: Prison, the repurpose what used to be an adult prison

509
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Speaker 4: became the youth prison and has now been repurposed again.

510
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Speaker 4: It was just before Christmas. It was when they just

511
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Speaker 4: moved the first six sixty prisoners in.

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Speaker 1: There, and I went there with plasma TV.

513
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Speaker 4: And I was out there with Jared Mayley and they

514
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Speaker 4: had and they repurposed the cells in the old high

515
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Speaker 4: security block there, and each one of those cells had

516
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Speaker 4: a plasma TV and a split system air conditioner in it,

517
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Speaker 4: as well as sort of new bunk beds and a toilet.

518
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying I'm not don't don't don't.

519
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Speaker 4: Yeah that that that that's the thing. Like I was

520
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Speaker 4: surprised when I saw it. I was like, oh, this

521
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Speaker 4: is not this is not the dungeon that we're told

522
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Speaker 4: that it is now. I'm not saying that conditions are

523
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Speaker 4: great everywhere in their correction system. And clearly when you've

524
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Speaker 4: got twenty seven hundred people who are locked up and

525
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Speaker 4: some of them are in watchhouses and whatever, and the

526
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Speaker 4: guys on the front page of the paper today saying

527
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Speaker 4: get me back to New South Wales because this is

528
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Speaker 4: no good, you know, I'm not saying in every and

529
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Speaker 4: you know how it holts, there's no air conditioning. It

530
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Speaker 4: was a cost saving measure when you built the place.

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Speaker 4: But what I saw with my own eyes firsthand when

532
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Speaker 4: I went out there, would sort of contradict I think

533
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Speaker 4: an argument that this is absolutely horrific. I think in

534
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Speaker 4: Alice Springs there's issues, and there's been issues for a

535
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Speaker 4: long time. You know, sixteen people in one of those

536
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Speaker 4: cells that doesn't have air conditioning in Alice Springs is

537
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Speaker 4: on a forty three very well recipe for a disaster.

538
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, so that is the report obviously this

539
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Speaker 1: week is that ye sixteen in some cases up to

540
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Speaker 1: sixteen prisoners in a cell at one point in time.

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Speaker 1: There was also claims that they were having to Some

542
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Speaker 1: people were drinking from a tap that's sort of attached

543
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Speaker 1: to the toilet. Now I'd spoken to the Corrections commissioner

544
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Speaker 1: about this yesterday. He said, Katie, you can go and

545
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Speaker 1: google it yourself if you want to. You know, this

546
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Speaker 1: is a like a stainless steel toilet as I understand it,

547
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Speaker 1: that are used quite commonly across different facilities, where then

548
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Speaker 1: it's sort of got a sink attachment to it. He said,

549
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Speaker 1: prisoners are fed three times a day, they get water

550
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Speaker 1: as well, so he refuted, you know, claims that they

551
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Speaker 1: weren't getting those things and that they weren't being treated

552
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Speaker 1: in a humane way. I did put to him that

553
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Speaker 1: the independent Arnham Land politician in your Guayula had made

554
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Speaker 1: a request to see the UN Special Rapperteur on the

555
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Speaker 1: Rights of Indigenous People's visit the Northern Territory and go

556
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Speaker 1: into the jails. He said, you know that he has

557
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Speaker 1: to obviously adhere to different standards, to all of the

558
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Speaker 1: different standards I think, he said, he you know, he

559
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Speaker 1: has different, you know, different sort of oversights. I can't

560
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Speaker 1: remember who those you know, who exactly those different you know,

561
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Speaker 1: those different people were that have to oversee that humane

562
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Speaker 1: action is being taken within our jails. But look, you

563
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Speaker 1: know these I guess there is no doubt that the

564
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Speaker 1: jails are going to be absolutely full. Some of the

565
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Speaker 1: questions I'm getting asked on the tech line over the

566
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Speaker 1: last couple of days is are we building another one?

567
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Speaker 1: You know, that's where people are ash at the moment,

568
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Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly. They're like, we don't want people out

569
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Speaker 1: on the street doing the wrong thing. And if we

570
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Speaker 1: need to build a bigger jail, then we need to

571
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Speaker 1: build a bigger jail.

572
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Speaker 2: That's right, okay, And the master plan it does address

573
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Speaker 2: that ensures that we have more beds all going back

574
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Speaker 2: into halts though, so it's all in the one location,

575
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Speaker 2: extra facilities out there. It's all part of a master plan.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, if people still keep committing crime,

577
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Speaker 2: we'll keep fighting the better, We'll keep building more jails.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think that's an absurd thing to say. In

579
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Speaker 3: terms of community safety. We know that locking people up

580
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Speaker 3: and the measures that the CLP government have put in,

581
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Speaker 3: like we have people on remos and at the moment

582
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Speaker 3: there are potentially innocent people that are locked up right now,

583
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Speaker 3: which is only going to make a community more dangerous

584
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Speaker 3: because when people get out, they're going to be resentful

585
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Speaker 3: against the community. We haven't seen a plan from the

586
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Speaker 3: SALP government how a you're actually going to reduce crime.

587
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Speaker 3: What programs are you going to bring into community to

588
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Speaker 3: ensure that people don't get in touch with the justice system.

589
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Speaker 3: I think we need to be honest here and have

590
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Speaker 3: an honest conversation that locking people up doesn't create a

591
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Speaker 3: safer community. I'm not saying we shouldn't have consequences, but

592
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Speaker 3: we do need programs out there to support people before

593
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Speaker 3: they get in touch with the justice system. Otherwise what

594
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Speaker 3: we're going to see is this revolving door. And you're

595
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: talking about it's not about the politics, skied. Let's talk honestly,

596
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: It's been decades and decades. So we need to look

597
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Speaker 3: at real solutions that are actually going to make the

598
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Speaker 3: community safe. For build up communities. Where we just talked

599
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: about workforce, we should be looking at education, health, housing.

600
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Speaker 3: That is what's going to solve the real issues. But

601
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Speaker 3: coming in and having this revolving door, it's only.

602
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Speaker 1: Going to make the issue here. I don't agree, like

603
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Speaker 1: I agree with the fact that we don't want a

604
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Speaker 1: revolving door when it comes to crime, There's no doubt

605
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Speaker 1: about that. But you know, the issue of remand it

606
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Speaker 1: is a big, big issue, and there should not be people,

607
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Speaker 1: you know, and no doubt there will be some that

608
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Speaker 1: are innocent that are potentially spending time in jail. I

609
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Speaker 1: would assume because we have got an issue at the moment,

610
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Speaker 1: a real backlog with the courts. But I do just

611
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Speaker 1: want to note because this is something that sort of

612
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Speaker 1: that shocked me a little bit. Earlier in the week,

613
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Speaker 1: it was a report by Zezi Avril and the NT

614
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Speaker 1: News about the grotesque assault of a sleeping woman in

615
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Speaker 1: the heart of Darwin, exposing the horrors lurking in the

616
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Speaker 1: dark secluded areas of the city, praying on vulnerable territories. Now,

617
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Speaker 1: the Darwin Local Court Judge Stephen Geary said the sexual

618
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Speaker 1: assault of a sleeping woman was a prevalent crime in

619
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Speaker 1: the top end which went disturbingly unreported. Now on Tuesday,

620
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Speaker 1: this person pleaded guilty to indecently touching an unconscious, intoxicated

621
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Speaker 1: woman in Darwin, CBD on Wednesday, April seventeenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Now I raise this because in sentencing the judge seed

623
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Speaker 1: that you know. This person pleaded guilty to indecently touching

624
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Speaker 1: and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison with a

625
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Speaker 1: ten month non parole period. However, with nine months already

626
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Speaker 1: served on remand, mister Geary said that this person could

627
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Speaker 1: be eligible for release in just a few weeks. He said,

628
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Speaker 1: hopefully you'll do some rehabilitation with regard to your alcohol abuse.

629
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Speaker 1: Now again I'll say in four weeks, in four weeks, yes,

630
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Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous. But the reason I raise this is

631
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Speaker 1: because I go, this is a violent sexual offender who

632
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Speaker 1: was on the streets and who was committing crime, who

633
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: then was on remand and rightly bloody should have been.

634
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Speaker 1: You know. To think that there is somebody out there

635
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Speaker 1: who's sexually assaulting an unconscious woman in our CBD absolutely

636
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Speaker 1: infuriates me. It not only infuriates me, it frightens me.

637
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Speaker 1: I think there is young women, young women, old women,

638
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Speaker 1: whatever age you might be, whether you're homeless, whether you've

639
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: got a house, you end up on the street, you

640
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: pass out, and something like that can happen makes me

641
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: feel absolutely disgusted and people like that shouldn't be out

642
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Speaker 1: on the streets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly right, Katie. Those are horrific things

644
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: that have been happening, and it's been happening for far

645
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: too long. And that's why Territorians voted for a c

646
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Speaker 2: orp government, because we need to deal with these disgusting

647
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: criminals that are out there doing these kinds of crime.

648
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Speaker 2: When they are from the court, the sentencing is obviously

649
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Speaker 2: at the judges discretion, but as parliamentarians we can actually

650
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Speaker 2: set the sentencing regimes and that's hard of the work

651
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Speaker 2: we already did introducing Declan's Law and the bail changes

652
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Speaker 2: to tighten those up so that judges have to make

653
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Speaker 2: a decision that you know, if you're a serius vilent offender,

654
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: you're not going to be out in the street. And

655
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: the same with the sentencing for violent crimes like that.

656
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: All of those things. This need to be looked at. Again,

657
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: it's not a set and forget we didn't just come

658
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: in and do a couple of things in parliament in

659
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: late last year. It'll continue. Every thing we do in

660
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: parliament will be aimed at those three main things that

661
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: we talked about, reducing crime, rebuilding our economy and restoring

662
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: our lifestyle. And our lifestyle should be that we can

663
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: go out and have a nice time during the day

664
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Speaker 2: and at night without those criminals out in the street.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, that is a disgusting crime and no

666
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: one's disputing that. It's horrific if that's happening, and I

667
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: think anyone would say that there needs to be obviously

668
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: of strong consequence to that as well. But what we

669
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: are seeing with the remand is there are very very

670
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: minor offenses or first time offenders which is then slowing

671
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: down the system, the justice system to actually deal with

672
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: those serious cases that need to be a dress because

673
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: we're looking at such small, petty staff that might be

674
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: someone's first time being in touch with the justice system.

675
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: We could have been putting them into a program to

676
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: get back on track. We don't even know if they've

677
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: committed that offense yet.

678
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: I tell you, I just on the day that Declan's

679
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 4: law came into effect, I went and sat in court

680
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: one of the magistrate's court because I wanted to just go,

681
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: you know, a soft magistrates letting you know, serious offenders

682
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 4: off And I'll tell you what I saw. And I

683
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: think Alan Woodcock was the judge, and I think there

684
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: were six cases that came before him for bail, right,

685
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: and I reckon four of the six. Four of the

686
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: six were DV they would repeat offender DV. Right. In

687
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: two of those cases, a lawyer tried to insinuate that

688
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: the woman had been responsible for provoking the man, and

689
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: the judge almost picked those lawyers up and threw them

690
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: out of his courtroom, just just dressed them down, like

691
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: you know, don't you dare bring that up in front

692
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: of me, And then said to the defendant. You're a

693
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: repeat you know, I can see your file here. You're

694
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: a repeat offender, domestic violence offender. You're not getting bail,

695
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: bang remand And there are a couple who were first

696
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: offenders minor and he sent it off for a bail assessment,

697
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: which would come back. But that's the thing to Ryan.

698
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 4: I think that I think the people who are being

699
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: remanded in many cases people who are being accused of

700
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: committing serious crimes, serious crimes, and I would say the

701
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: majority of them are crimes of violence, and in the

702
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: majority of cases, the victims are Aboriginal people off and

703
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: Aboriginal women. I think that's what we're dealing with. And

704
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: we're talking about community safety, community safety, community safety. Like

705
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 4: you know, people who work in some of these areas

706
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 4: will tell you that for the women, a lot of

707
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: the time, the only time they feel safe is when

708
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: their partner is in jail. And I know that's not

709
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: all Aboriginal men, and that's you know, like, I'm not

710
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: absolutely I'm not trying to say that, but it is

711
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: a real problem, and it is it does take up

712
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: a significant amount, it does represent a significant amount of

713
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 4: the people who are in the justice system and in prison, and.

714
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: This is like, you know, as an Aboriginal person myself,

715
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: I totally condemned that type of behavior and I think

716
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: it's absolutely disgusting and there's no place for that in

717
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: our communities at all. We have to address the root

718
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: causes and ensure that we have programs in communities, safe communities,

719
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: because otherwise we're going to continue to see this happen.

720
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: And I see it. I see it every day, and

721
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: I understand there's going to be consequence of that, but

722
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: we've got it exactly. That's but I haven't seen any

723
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: evidence from that from the c LP where they've gone

724
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: into communities to look at running these programs, building stronger

725
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: communities around.

726
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Second break program has been quite successful.

727
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the problem as well at the moment

728
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: is that the way that the community had felt, though,

729
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: is that labor wasn't doing the other and that was

730
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: actually putting people behind bars if they were committing violent offenses,

731
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, rightly or wrongly. That was how people felt.

732
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: So I think we do need to do both, and

733
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: the community's expectations are that the current government does. But look,

734
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: we're going to have to take a really quick break.

735
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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one O four nine's three sixty.

736
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Well, there is plenty

737
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: to discuss this morning on the week that was. But

738
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: one of the topics that got everybody talking yesterday was

739
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: the fact that we have now learned that there's been

740
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: concerns raised over the removal of the Torres Strait Islander

741
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: and lgbtqi plus flags from Royal Darwin Foyer and the

742
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Palmerston Hospital foyer. Now the AMA as well as ASMOFNT

743
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: that's the Australian Salary Medical Offices of the Northern Territory

744
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: and their members have expressed deep concern over the recent

745
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: removal of the Torres Strait Islander and lgbtqi plus flags

746
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: from the front foyers of the Royal Darwin Hospital and

747
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: the Palmerston Regional Hospitals. They say the removal of these

748
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: symbols of inclusion and representation of sparked fears about the

749
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: impact on patients and visitors who identify as Torres Strait

750
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: Islander or lgbtqia. Now, as I understand it, the government

751
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: has said that it's that it was protocol and that

752
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: I believe the protocol is the Northern Territory, the Australian

753
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: and the Aboriginal flag. Look, I've been contacted by people

754
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: on both sides of the fence on this topic. I've

755
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: had people contact me and say, Katie, you know, I'm Greek.

756
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: There's not a Greek flag up. You know why, Like

757
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: do I then feel unwelcome going into the hospital or

758
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm Asian whatever?

759
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: You know.

760
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: I use that as an example. But then I have

761
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: also been contacted by friends who are LGBTQI A plus

762
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: who've said, you know, they actually just seeing that flag

763
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: when they enter the foyer does make them feel a

764
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable going in there, and like they

765
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: are going to see somebody who they're comfortable talking to

766
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: about whatever their concern may or may not be. So

767
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: I think that this, like it is a it's a

768
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: really kind of divisive topic. I'm keen to, I guess

769
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: find out first off, why the government had made the

770
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: decision to remove those flags.

771
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: My understanding is that it was identified that they weren't

772
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: adhering to protocol just in the in the anti health

773
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: facilities in Darwin and Palmerston. And like you said, it's

774
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: a long standing Northern Territory protocol which is set and

775
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: you know everyone at bards By it where there is

776
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: the Australian, the Northern Territory and an Aboriginal flag that's

777
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 2: able to be flown in that particular protocol style. Schools

778
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: do the same thing as that. There's a number of

779
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 2: buildings that do it. I think what I'm hearing when

780
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm speaking to the community yesterday and this morning was

781
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: it's a case of like if ever unders goes and

782
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: puts whatever flags up that they want, like where does

783
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: it end? I mean there could be a multitude of flags,

784
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: and I think you know, if you're feeling really sick

785
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: and unwell, your primary thought is I just want to

786
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: get better, and so of course you're going to choose

787
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: somewhere to go that makes you feel comfortable. And I

788
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: think you could say the same thing about any of

789
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: our people in our community, all territories, and I think,

790
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's a long standing protocol and I think

791
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: we should just adhere to that.

792
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: I guess on that though, if it's not sort of

793
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: hurting anybody having the you know, the rainbow flag up,

794
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: does it need to be removed? Well, it's part of

795
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: the building and the Torrest Straight Islander one or yeah,

796
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

797
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: My understanding is the terrorist right islander one at the

798
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: hospital is still there. So I'll come back to you

799
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: on that because I actually don't know. I just heard

800
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: that early late this morning. But I think it's just

801
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: about having you know, there's a protocol there, we abide

802
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: by it. If there's requests from the community to put

803
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: up other things and that protocol, then you know, you

804
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: could look at changing protocol. But but it's about you know,

805
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 2: where does it end, like how many flags should we fly?

806
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: I have also now been sent a screenshot of a

807
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: notice that's gone out then from the general manager of

808
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: the Palmeston Regional Hospital saying please be advised that the

809
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: transgender and rainbow flags have been temporarily removed as they're

810
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 1: being framed for display on the wall.

811
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Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, i'd heard that as well, Katie,

812
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: through my lectured officer Kirsty, who identifies or sorry not

813
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: identifies who is gay, and she was quite upset about

814
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: this yesterday and was telling me a lot of her

815
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 3: friends and that were upset as well, and we heard

816
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: we'd heard that, So that's great news from the Palmeston

817
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: general manager to put that in place. I just don't

818
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: understand how this is a priority for the CLP government.

819
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 3: You know, we've just spoken for the last hour about

820
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: some of the issues that are raised for territorians, and

821
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: yet this is the priority of Health Minister to actually

822
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: come out and say we need these flags removed. I mean,

823
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 3: it's not harming anyone. If anything, it's celebrating our diverse

824
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: community in the Northern Territory and it's something if that

825
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: makes people feel safe to be able to go and

826
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: get health care, we should just leave it. It hasn't It

827
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: hasn't impacted any of the health care for any territory

828
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: and if anything, it's enhancing it because people can go

829
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: to the to the hospital or to the clinic and

830
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: actually feel safe.

831
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think from a political point of view,

832
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: I think Duran makes a good point. You look at

833
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: look at the Labor government and its demise, and yes,

834
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 4: law and order crime was the biggest issue, and the

835
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: economy was a big issue. But there were things that

836
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 4: happened when Labor was in power that they did where

837
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: people said, how on earth can you be wasting so

838
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: much time and resources doing this stuff when you have

839
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: a fire burning in front of you? And use any

840
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: example spending two years plus and god knows how much

841
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: money on an Education Department document that tells teachers they

842
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: can't call boys and girls boys and girls because it

843
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: might upset the point one percent of students who might

844
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: be questioning their gender. And people see that and just go,

845
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: oh my god, you've lost the plot, right, You've been

846
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 4: dragged into your far left wing echo chamber, and you're

847
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: way out of touch with community expectations. Now there's a

848
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: sort of a global recorrection that's happening to some of

849
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 4: this stuff at the moment. The danger for the COLP

850
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: as a government, I think is that it gets dragged

851
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: over to the far other side, right and it goes

852
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 4: and says, well, we're going to go and take the

853
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 4: rainbow flag out of the hospital because you know, blah

854
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah ye, and it probably won't do

855
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 4: a heap of political damage to it at the moment.

856
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 4: And you know, most of the reaction I've seen has been,

857
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 4: oh yeah, well, like you were saying before, why can't

858
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 4: we have this flag with that flow? But if it

859
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: did that in three years time in the middle of

860
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 4: a hospital crisis, and we've kind of got an ongoing

861
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: hospital crisis, people will turn around, I think, and say

862
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: where are your priorities? Like your priorities should be making

863
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: sure that the hospital system is running effectively, which is not.

864
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: Your priority should be on the things that there.

865
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Speaker 1: Actually and that is actually something that other people raised

866
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: with us yesterday. Thy were like, goodness me, Wilfy, why

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Speaker 1: are we talking about this? You know, like we've had

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Speaker 1: to wait at the bloody hospital for how many hours

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Speaker 1: to go and see someone. So it is all about priorities.

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Speaker 1: But look, like I say, I know, there's lots of

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Speaker 1: divided opinions on this, and like you said, Matt, you know,

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Speaker 1: the nation at the moment, particularly with Donald Trump being elected,

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Speaker 1: that some of those views are you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: going one way. But we do live in a really

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Speaker 1: inclusive community and it should remain a really inclusive community.

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Speaker 1: And you know every year you see the Pride festival

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Speaker 1: absolutely glorious event what happens, and we should safe celebrate.

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Speaker 1: We should stay really you know, of our community. But look,

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Speaker 1: we are going to have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was well. You have been

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Speaker 1: listening to the week that was the first one back

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Speaker 1: for the year, and I wasn't very good at, you know,

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Speaker 1: keeping my timing. We've run out of time, guys, there

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Speaker 1: was so much to discuss. We've run out of time,

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Speaker 1: but never any shortage of opinion in here. Thank you

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Speaker 1: all very much for your time. Marie Claire Boothby, the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General of the Northern Territory, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to the year ahead as well, Katie. A

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Speaker 2: year of action from the CELP so it can rebuild economy.

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Speaker 1: I hope so, I hope so. Matt Cunningham from Sky News,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks Katie to run Young, the Labor Member

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Speaker 1: for Daily and Shadow Minister for lots of different portfolios,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you, and I also look forward to a

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Speaker 3: year of action of keeping the CLP government to account.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Good on you. Thanks so much for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty