1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the Chief Minister, 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Michael Gunner. Good morning to you now, Chief Minister. This 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: issue of crime, it's one which you and I have 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: spoken about on so many occasions. Unfortunately, right now the 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: situation is far from under control. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: On the weekend, Northern Territory Police. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: As I've just said, arrested two youths and a man 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: in relation to an aggravated robbery in Bellamack. We also 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: know yesterday morning there was that armed intruder broke into 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: a unit in Nightcliff. And we also know that last 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: week we spoke to the manager of a pub in 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Ala Springs where there was a vicious assault on staff 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: and patrons with a star pick at. There was also 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: a stabbing in Malac and other property crime and domestic 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: violence last week. Chief Minister, we seem to have a 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: real issue at the moment and many in the community 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: feel that you and your cabinet aren't hearing their concerns. 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Have we reached crisis point? 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: You never want to hear about crime because it means 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: there is a victim, and you were talking to me 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: off air, because no victims more victim than another, if 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 3: that makes sense. But you're talking to me off there 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: about a couple of elderly ladies who'd essentially been mugged 24 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: for in a better word, at an eight a m. 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: Which is just distressing. 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: You can imagine how that shakes their self confidence about 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: going out and you shall feel safe when you go out. 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: Absolutely no, we don't want there to be crime, and 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: it's extremely frustrating and traumatic almost when you hear about 30 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: a crime, let alone what the victim must be experiencing 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 3: or feeling after having suffered through a crime. 32 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 4: We had a very bad. 33 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: January and the last week or so has been extremely 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: bad as well. We've got a lot of people working 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: on this. If you look at the police, we've seen 36 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: a winding down of Operation Crown that was our COVID efforts. 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: That switched a lot of police back into I don't 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: want say ordinary duties back into I guess effectively their 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: ordinary duties and working very hard on this. We do 40 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: take it extremely seriously. We don't anyone experiencing crime. But 41 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: I think a common factor in a lot of. 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 4: It is alcohol. 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 44 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: I do think that alcohol is having a huge impact. 45 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that. In that public drunkenness, 46 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: which I will get to in just a moment. Look, 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: I've got to say that after I spoke to those 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: women last week, particularly one of them who'd said that 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: she was depositing five hundred dollars at the ATM inside 50 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: a shopping center and was mugged and they just came, 51 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: they snatched the money and ran away, I felt really 52 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: bloody sad, to be honest with you, I thought to myself, 53 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: that is something that my mum would. 54 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: Do at the shopping center. 55 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: Like you said, it doesn't matter any victim, it shouldn't 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: be happening. But it just made me think, what the 57 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: hell is going on in the territory at the moment, And. 58 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: That's between the security guards. Won't name the center. I 59 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 3: don't think you thatter of them. That's between the security 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: guards and police that someone has felt brazen enough to 61 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 3: do that. I know that center has quite good security 62 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: guards and active, active work. So unfortunately, we've seen a 63 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: absolute spike in our coal will related crime at times 64 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: with the stimulus payments coming in, but it did not 65 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: go backwards after the stimulus payments ended. So we went 66 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: from essentially ten year lows and historic loaws around alcohol 67 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: related crime, alcohol fuel violence, and its spiked and it's 68 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: been bad, and it stayed bad, with the main crime 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: out of all that being domestic and family violence, but 70 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: sometimes not sometimes a lot of the time the property 71 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: crime are other things are tied back to either searching 72 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: for alcohol or searching for the means to get alcohol. 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: It's a real problem. Police are working very hard on it. 74 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: I think one of the big things we need to do. 75 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: You want to talk our switch of behavior. Obviously, later 76 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: this year a couple months, we get back the plat 77 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: powers around a liquor licensing for the whole Northern territory. 78 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: We lost that during the intervention. And I think people 79 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: genuinely deserve a choice on their country, in their remote 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: community about responsible to our responsible consumption of alcohol. Not 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: everyone will say yes to it, but I've got a 82 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: sailing club and a trailer boat club, and a skier 83 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: club and a bowels club, and I could go on 84 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: in my electorate. I don't see why a remote community 85 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: shouldn't have that option to have responsible service, responsible consumption 86 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: of alcohol in a family friendly environment in their communities too. 87 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: I think that that will lead to a lot of 88 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: behavior change in non territory personally. 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: So do you think I mean, at the moment, there's 90 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot to unpack here. I mean, I firstly, I 91 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: think I want to ask because I know that a 92 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: lot of listeners will be feeling this way. Do you 93 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: understand how frustrated people are right now and how sad 94 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: they are at some of what's going on around. 95 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: The place, Because I, yes, I do, I do understand, 96 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: and it's because I get frustrated too. I'd like to 97 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: be able to say to you on the eleventh chiefness 98 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: and the first to essentially solve crime. I really want 99 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: to see this generational change. I want to see a 100 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: change and habits, a change behaviors. I want to see 101 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: more people safe in the Northern Territory. It's not there. 102 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: I feel responsible or accountable whenever anything like this happens. 103 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: And so when you hear about a victim, it cuts 104 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: you like you don't want it, you don't want to 105 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: see it. So for me, it's what are the things 106 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: I can do that would see lead to genuine change 107 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: in non territory. You know, like a lot of your listeners, 108 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: I'm born and bread here that although I've been here 109 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: for a long time, you see these cycles of behavior. 110 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 4: How do we how do we change this? 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: Sixty percent of people who come sixty percent of people 112 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: who are homeless or mobile or are itinerant within our 113 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: within our towns from remote communities, so they're not they're 114 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 3: not permanent homeless. They go back and forth. And six 115 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: percent people who come into town are coming in town looking 116 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: for alcohol. So alcohol is at the nub of a 117 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: lot of the problems that we have. I won't be 118 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 3: really clear here, it's the abuse of alcohol. It's not alcohol itself. 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: Obviously alcohol is legal in the NT. It's the abuse 120 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: of alcohol. But something we've got to bear in mind 121 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: too is if we if we this about families. So 122 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: I think what would hurt a lot of us is 123 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: impact on families domestic violence. They say alcohol increases the 124 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: severity and frequency of domestic violence. But you remove alcohol, 125 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: you don't necessarily move the domestic violence. That that's something 126 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: I think a lot of us need to wrestle with 127 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: is how do we how do we resolve domestic violence? 128 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: And I think it's just one of those issues right now. 129 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, between the domestic violence, between the break ins, 130 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: between those brazen some of the brazen attacks that we're 131 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: seeing and weapons, you know, star pickets in Alice Springs. 132 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: It is mortifying stuff. I know I feel sad watching it, 133 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: so I would imagine you feel the same. I know 134 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: that the police have previously confirmed that we have an 135 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: increased number of people in Darwin from communities as you've 136 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: just touched on, usually seven hundred or around seven hundred 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: at the moment. I've been told just last week between 138 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: two thousand and three thousand. But many are sleeping rough, 139 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people are drinking though in public places, 140 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: and we're seeing the ramifications right across the board. What 141 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: work is underway right now? Because a lot of people go, well, 142 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: hang on a second. We got return to country, the 143 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Larakie Return to Country program? 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: Is it still working? 145 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: So there's been a switch in March, So I'd say 146 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: your two thousand and three thousand is probably roughly accurate. 147 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: It's coming down now. 148 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: We had obviously our first and only wave so far 149 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: off COVID during the start of the year. A lot 150 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: of our resources that normally attached to dealing with people 151 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: who are doing it doing it rough were occupied by COVID. 152 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: So that road which we stood up a short term 153 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: accommodation became an affectious disease center Larakire. We put an 154 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: extra resources of larach here over the period that we 155 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: normally would put an extra resources to help deal with, say, 156 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: anti social behavior, they were dealing with COVID, making sure 157 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: there were tests and ppe and isolation and all that 158 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: sort of stuff that had and Return to Country wasn't 159 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: working either because no one wanted to go either back 160 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: to community or the community do want them to go back. 161 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: We've seen a switch this month, so return to Countries 162 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: returned more people home in March than it did in 163 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: the first previous three months of December, January, and February. 164 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: We've seen more people return to community. It's just under 165 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: four hundreds. That's still a long way off from where 166 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: we are when you think about how many extra were 167 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: physically in town now. The feedback we've had always Ancoatal 168 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: is that we had extra intown again because of COVID. 169 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 3: People didn't want to get locked in to a remote community setting, 170 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: so they came into town. They said, if we're going 171 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: to deal COVID, that's deal of COVID essentially in Darln 172 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: and there's bad everywhere. But I think was worse and Darwin, 173 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: So there was a massive COVID impact all through that. 174 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: We're seeing a switch this month, so we're seeing people 175 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: start going back to community. We're seeing our resources that 176 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: had been essentially sucked into dealing of COVID to reassert 177 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: themselves and their sort of normal service delivery and bat 178 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: and roads trending back to normal. 179 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: So we're starting to deal with it. 180 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: But it was again a very frustrating start of the 181 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: year because all the leavers we normally would have to 182 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: deal with this, we're having to be focused towards COVID. 183 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: So does there need to be a boost to some 184 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: of these services. I know that you said previously obviously 185 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: COVID was having an impact. We know that that should 186 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: really not be having the same impact anymore. Four hundred people, 187 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: as you've stated, have now been returned to country last 188 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: month alone. Do we need to see a boost to 189 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: these services so that we're able to get people back 190 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: home if they want to go back home, because right 191 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: now what we're seeing on the streets is not good. 192 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 4: Enough, so open off for essentially there. 193 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 3: The boost in some respects has been the fact that 194 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: all these things are returning to be our work in 195 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: these areas, so there's been an automatic boost just in that. 196 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: But we're happy to put more on. If you look 197 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: in January that we put more on. Unfortunately they all 198 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 3: got soaked into dealing with COVID. So extremely happy to 199 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: work with Larakie is a key one because they have 200 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: those day patrols and help. 201 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: Link in with the return to country. 202 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: So very happy to put extra on and Oboe actually 203 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: puts some extra money in as well, so that there 204 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: are more parties at play here than just very happy 205 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 3: to make those vestments and those changes because I think 206 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: people do want to go to country. 207 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 4: We're happy to help them go back to country. 208 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Do you think that that once we do see those 209 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: numbers minimized people going back home, do you think that 210 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: we're going to see a decrease in the crime. 211 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: That we are experiencing in the territory right now? 212 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 3: I think we'll see a slow reduction in crime if 213 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 3: we get our alcohol settings right. 214 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: That's going to take a little bit effort around what 215 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: we're doing in remote communities. 216 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: But if you look at the linkage, so we had 217 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: at the start of our last term, we brought in 218 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: Australia's toughest alcohol rules. When we saw a big reduction, 219 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: then it's fun back up again. I think to get 220 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: it down now from where it currently is, we need 221 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: to see things like the community licenses come in. In 222 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: my personal opinion, that will see I hope or believe, 223 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: less drift into urban settings. I think that will see 224 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: a reduction. But there's a lot of things we need 225 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: to do when it comes to tackling crime. 226 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 4: That's one. I think. 227 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: The other one is Amiral Justice Agreement. Over half men 228 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: and women who are in jail are there for domestic 229 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: and family violence. That's the reason, the main reason why 230 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: people are in jail. What the Acgual Justice Agreement says 231 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: is let's look at that area first. Let's design the programs, 232 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: train that people, build the facilities. Essentially, recognize we're not 233 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 3: doing this well at all. Find a whole different way 234 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: that we can cent as people who do domestic of 235 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 3: family violence to a program that lead to an improved 236 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: outcome of the least les domestic family violence. Until we 237 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: really conquer that, I think we're going to be in 238 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: a cycle for a while. We have to break this family, 239 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: this function that's in the heart of too much of 240 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: the crime in the lawn territory. 241 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Just on the alcohol, you'd said that, you know, those 242 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: changes that you brought into place, that your government brought 243 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: into place when it comes to alcohol were historic. You know, 244 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: there's some of the strongest measures that we have around Australia. 245 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Why then, do you think we're seeing so many people 246 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: intoxicated really misusing alcohol on the streets. 247 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: Is the band drinkers registered working? 248 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: So we saw essentially two year lows and then or 249 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: two and a half year loads. I think it was 250 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 3: quite extended period of historic lows, and then as soon 251 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: as the stimulus money came in, alcohol spiked. We saw 252 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 3: people products switch to spirits and even though stimless money 253 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: came off, people have not made the switch switch back. 254 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 3: So I felt like it undid a lot of our 255 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,119 Speaker 3: work or suctained success for a while. Like alcohol, genuinely 256 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: we were tackling it. We now need to bring another 257 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: policy solution in. Unfortunately, I think remote community settings is 258 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: probably the one that will see the biggest behavioral change. 259 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Do you think though, that this has actually deteriorated over 260 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. 261 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: The stat show that alcohol related advance has absolutely deteriorated. 262 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: The main outcome of it more broken homes, more broken people. 263 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: So how can we say that the alcohol measures are 264 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: so they. 265 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: Did work for not just for a one off period, 266 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 3: they work for a solid chunk of two and a 267 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: half three years before that extra money came in. I'd 268 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: hate to think what situation in the normal terrectory would 269 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: be without our measures in place. 270 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: Police still able to you know, like if there is 271 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: a group of people that are drinking in a public place, 272 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: so they still able to go and tip out that alcohol. Yes, well, 273 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: I know that you've said that, you know, part of 274 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: this is allowing alcohol on community, and I think that 275 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: that's certainly part of the discussion. But do we have 276 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: enough police then to be able to police that on 277 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: community in. 278 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 4: A remote commuity setting. 279 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously that's something the Liquor Commission would consider 280 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 3: providing a license. We've got a lot of police and 281 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 3: remote communities, We've got a lot of stations in remote 282 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 3: community settings, and I think health clinics and other things 283 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: are the things you've got to bear in mind. So 284 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: if you look at it, I've got clubs in my electorate, 285 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: but they're in a setting where there's hospitals and police 286 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: and everything else. Now, we've got a lot of that 287 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: in remote community settings. That's something they have to have 288 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: to be considered. I think the LIKO Commission might struggle 289 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 3: to go come a solution if there is a remote 290 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: community that hasn't nessary go station or health clinic in it, 291 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: that might be difficult. But there are a lot of 292 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: remote communities that do have police and health clinics in them. 293 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: So Chief Minister, to those listening this morning who have 294 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: been victims of crime, who are feeling absolutely at their 295 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: wits end, you know, we had other people called through 296 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: last week just telling us different things. That is quite honestly, 297 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: it's quite heartbreaking to think that it's happening in the 298 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: Northern Territory, place. 299 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: That I know you love. I love it. 300 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: I feel really sad when I walk down the street 301 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: and see some of what is going on. And then 302 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: when you hear from the police that we've got historic 303 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: levels of domestic violence. 304 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: You know, we've got assaults that are up, we've got 305 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: break ins set are up. 306 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: What can you tell territorians listening this morning to really 307 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: give them some confidence that things are going to get 308 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: better in this space. 309 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: First, to every victim, I'm sorry, I am your Chief Minister. 310 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: If you're a victim of crime, then I have failed you. 311 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: I believe that that's saying I've always got to try harder, 312 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: work harder. We've got a lot of things in place. 313 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: I believe if you keep doing things the same way, 314 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: youll kee getting the same results. We've tried a lot 315 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: of things this term and last term. The AGA is 316 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: the big thing this term. I think genuinely this is 317 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: a new pathway forward for tackling domestic and family violence 318 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: in partnership with the community. 319 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: And with family. So the AJAA is a big thing, 320 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: not just government dictating. 321 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: So that's the Aboriginal Justice Agreement. 322 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: Polities have got bad governores as actionabal Justice Agreement, which 323 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: is about how can we do something. 324 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: Different to tackle domestic and family violence. 325 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: I think you look at a lot of the other 326 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: crime we have, it does come from families being torn. 327 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: A bar often triggers everything else. So I believe there 328 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: is a way forward, and it's not just on our own. 329 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: We're genuinely doing it. 330 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: In partnership and so I think that that is a substantive, 331 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: one substantive reason why I think we can do better. 332 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: So those two look some of those things are obviously 333 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: longer term. They're going to be longer term to really 334 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: see that change. So, you know, two women who are 335 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: feeling unsafe about going into the shopping center to get 336 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: money out from the ATM. You know, two people who 337 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: are worried that if someone is going to break into 338 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: their home, who's already let's say broken into their home. 339 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: What would you say to them? 340 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: R Now, well, you know, to manual down at Fanny 341 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Bay shops, you know, to some of these shop owners 342 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: that have really been subjected to some woeful behavior. 343 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: So there's probably two different or so for the Manual 344 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: and the Fanny Bays and my electorate. 345 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: We're obviously seeing. 346 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: A big change at the moment around return to country 347 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: and it's COVID related and people wanting to get back home. 348 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: So I can see a defusing or reducing in numbers 349 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: there for the people who have experienced that property crime 350 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: or or you know, you know, not feeling safe in 351 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: a shopping center. Operation CRAM which was a police led 352 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: cover response that had to have a significant number officers 353 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: involved in our boarders, et cetera. That has centially reduced 354 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: right down. We've frid of a lot more police to 355 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: essentially go back to normal duty. So there is going 356 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: to be a lot more additional police activity you'll see 357 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: as well across this year. So you know, coming out 358 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: of COVID means a lot to many. This is one 359 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: of the things that all mean. 360 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: I believe, all right, Chief Minister, I do want to 361 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: talk about these extended powers for the chief Health officer. 362 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: Why are we moving towards this when other states seem 363 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: to be scaling back. 364 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: So my understanding is that you know, quite controversial Victoria. 365 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: They're looking at how they transitioned out. They took a 366 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: different path to us. They moved away from their chief officer. 367 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: We obviously sticking with our chief officer. These have ours 368 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: arnste had already had powers in place along these lines 369 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: at Victoria. We're essentially model their legislation of we want 370 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: to have a soft landing to this. We've had the 371 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: best response to COVID, I believe in Australia and Australia 372 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: have the best response in the world. How do we 373 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: transition out of an emergency setting. I don't want to 374 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: go from emergency setting to no emergency setting and then 375 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: suddenly see thousand of the tertiary lives at risk again 376 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: and flick back into an emergency. So you've got to 377 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: have a transition out plan. This is what this allows 378 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: for specific to COVID. It keeps trusting in a medical lead, 379 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: evidence led, clinical led response. I don't want to see 380 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: these powers come to a polley like they did in Victoria. 381 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: So it's about backing in the Chief Health officer to 382 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: keep making sure we just get our this smoothly and 383 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: keep saving lives and saving jobs. 384 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: Why not more reporting? 385 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Then, you know, like why not be there are still 386 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: people who are really concerned about this and they're thinking, 387 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: why are we going to be having? Then the chief 388 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Health officer able to call for mandates on vaccines must 389 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: to be worn downs without there being that opportunity to 390 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: see the reasons why, and that reporting. 391 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: Well, I feel we've been formally explaining our way all 392 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: the way through. I think we've been very open transparent 393 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: government about talking through everything that we're doing. I think 394 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: that people understand exactly what measures we have in place 395 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 3: and why. They don't always agree with them, but they 396 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: understand what we're doing. 397 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 1: But so no comprehensive report until after the next election. 398 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: Does that seem open and transparent? 399 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 4: That's just the two things are. For me, the two 400 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 4: things aren't tied. 401 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: I think the last election the next election that we 402 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 3: lot issues that people make their mind up on, then 403 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: they'll choose whether they want to stick the course or 404 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: change direction. That's the basically the big question and an election. 405 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: I don't know when this emergency will end. I don't 406 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: I know this legislation will pass in May, depending on 407 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: the House will pass in May. I don't think the 408 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: emergency whenless really end in May. We could be in 409 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: emergencyting for quite a while. 410 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: So if we don't know when it is going to end, 411 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: whether it's going to end in May, whether it's going 412 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: to take longer, when exactly this is all going to 413 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: come to an end, why do we need to give 414 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: the Chow powers for two years? 415 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 3: So it's up to two years, doesn't necessarily mean directions 416 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: will be in place. We've been in an emergencytting for 417 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: over two years already, and for all I know, it 418 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: could be three four years before we get out of 419 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: the emergency. I honestly don't know the answer to that question. 420 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: But I think it's quite proportionate to say and reasonable 421 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 3: to presume that we may be in a long tail 422 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 3: and have to have ability to respond to things over 423 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: two years. 424 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: But it's up to two years. 425 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean there'll be directions of place, just means that 426 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: we can have the ability to make sure we never 427 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: get back into an emergency setting. 428 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: All right. 429 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: Last week these rules changed a bit for those who 430 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: are COVID positive. As I understand it, you can now 431 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: pick your kids up from school childcare, also catch a 432 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: plane out of the Northern Territory when you COVID positive. 433 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: How is it that a person with COVID can do 434 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: all of that? But you still need to be vaccinated 435 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: to go to work or a pub. 436 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: So we need to be very careful. 437 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: So the reason why we've got through the first wave, 438 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: in my opinion successfully, just though we shouldn't take up granted, 439 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: was because we had a highly vaccinated population and make 440 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: sure those people who are vulnerab those people who work 441 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: in vulnerable or high res settings on critical infrastructure, were vaccinated. 442 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: So that's that's important. I do think though, that we 443 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: can make some very practical changes. I know you intro 444 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: you mentioned the lasting stuff, so mind standing here, I 445 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: might have to go double check the tent. So I 446 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: thought this had happened maybe it's about to happen. The 447 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: chow has said that the vax pass will apply at 448 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: the bar, not at the front good door. 449 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 4: So you'd have to check every patrons only at the. 450 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: But you still need to be vaccinated to go in. 451 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: But you can have COVID to drop your kids off 452 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: into child care. And let's be honest, you can't drop 453 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: your kids off across the road and send them across 454 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: to child care. You've got to go in, you've got 455 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: to sign them in, you've got to take them into 456 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: the room. 457 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 3: So, as I understand it, the way we worked our 458 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: way through this is that we've said if you're a 459 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: non symptomatic child, so essentially like a no asymtomatic worker, 460 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: you're exceeded the central and you can go. It put 461 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: families in very difficult situations where the child couldn't go 462 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: in and out. So this was seen as a practical 463 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: way through that. So as we said, we've always tried 464 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: to be practical, they seemed like a practical way through that. 465 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: So just to confirm, you said that there are going 466 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: to be some changes now to license venues. 467 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: I thought that one. I thought that one had already 468 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: come in. I'll just follow it up on the tents 469 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: of that with the chow. So it was discussed with 470 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: the chief officer and so, and the chief officer said 471 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: there were a number of directions he was essentially reducing down, 472 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: and one of them was that he was going to 473 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: change it for some of those settings, not all, but 474 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: some of those settings where you need to do the 475 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: vaxpass at the bar. So I'll get some clarity about 476 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: exactly which settings. I don't think it was all of them, 477 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: but it was a majority of a lot of settings 478 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: he was changing it. So it wasn't at the Doyles 479 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: at the bar, so for example, at basketball or at too. 480 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: Rather than too stating mother checking around the front gate, 481 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: you were checking him at that. 482 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: I guess taking that into account, can you see why 483 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: some people do think it's a good idea then that 484 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: the show would be reporting back so that we've got 485 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: a bit more clarity on some of those decisions and 486 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: they're able to make sense of it. 487 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: I think the show, I think the fritiall direction is 488 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 3: easy to read, and the trow talks to him a lot. 489 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: Apologies if talking off the cuff here, I haven't explained 490 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: them as well as I could have. But I don't 491 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: think me not being as fluent as I might normally 492 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: be on a Monday suddenly triggers throughout three a point 493 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: from the show. 494 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: Well, look, well we'll obviously follow up on what you've 495 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: just said about the showing of the vaccine. I think 496 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: either way, though, whether you're showing it at the bar 497 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: or whether you're showing it when you're walk in, it's 498 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: still something that is difficult, and there's still plenty of 499 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: people wondering why you need to do that if you 500 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: can be COVID positive and catch a play. 501 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: So that's very careful about that. 502 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: There's a way in which you do leave to return 503 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: to a different setting, which is allowed for so it's 504 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 3: not just free rein. But I think we're also very 505 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: clearly transitioning out of the backs pass setting. So we 506 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: said we'd be stepping our way out of this. So 507 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: the vax pass isn't going to be around forever. There's 508 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: going to be a clear transition. You can see how 509 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: we've already moved back from check in apps, et cetera. 510 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: So we're on a transition pathway out for the vas pass. 511 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 3: So that's not a long term measure, all right. 512 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: So TARGETI now have announced that there will probably be 513 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: a fourth dose for the vulnerable. 514 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: Are Territorian is going to have to do this? Is 515 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: it going to be mandated. 516 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: I haven't had any formal advice yet from our Choe 517 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: around the fourth dose. I think our preference, you got 518 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: to see what the evidence shows. Our preference would be 519 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: to get towards the flu shot as soon as we can, 520 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 3: and the flu shot being that's recommended for certain categories, 521 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 3: that would be my desire. He's got to keep seeing 522 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: what the evidence shows. There's been some worrying signs out 523 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: say Israel in places like that that natural immunity and 524 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: vaccine immunity both wayne to the extent to which we 525 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: need the fourth dose might depend a little bit on 526 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: that evidence and what variant we're dealing with. So if 527 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 3: we keep heading down this path where they get more 528 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: contagious but less dangerous, then the requirement. 529 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 4: Will also be less. Is we keep following the evidence. 530 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a chance that it could be scaled back. 531 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: I think we'd all like the vaccine. Sorry, we all 532 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: like the COVID shot at the moments of vaccine, and 533 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: it's necessary for all of us. I think we'd all 534 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 3: like that to become similar to the flu shot soon possible. 535 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: I don't know when that will be. The flu SHOT's. 536 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: Recommended for certain categories. 537 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: I do note this year, because we haven't really had 538 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: flu for two years, that nationally we said we're gonna 539 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: have to mandate the flu shot for age care workers, 540 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: for example, just because of that extra protection. But normally 541 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: the flu for example, I recommend I get the flu 542 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 3: shot each year for various health reasons. It's not manatary 543 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: to get the flu shot. I think we all like 544 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: to get to that position with COVID. I'm not sure 545 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: when that will be. I make a false promises the 546 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: fourth shot. It might be the fifth shot. I like 547 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: to think it's the fourth shots. It means we're getting 548 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: out of this thing that you know. I think, like 549 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: all of us, I like to get past COVID. I 550 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: just can't give you that promise. Well, to follow the evidence. 551 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Well we will get ready to wrap things up. 552 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: I know that we're fast running out of time, but 553 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: I do want to ask the federal budgets being handed 554 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: down tomorrow night, is there anything that you are hoping 555 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: to see for the Northern Territory. 556 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: Well, maybe two answers. 557 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 3: First, every state in territory has made a consistent request 558 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: now for a matter of months, arguably years, that federal 559 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: gum much to go fifty to fifty in hospital funding. 560 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 4: At the moment it's forty five. 561 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: So that's a strong request from every single jurisdiction that we. 562 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 4: Go fifty to fifty funning on hospitals. 563 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: Then for the normal territory, I'd love to see an 564 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: investment into those things that we know will create jobs. 565 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: We've got a number of things that we're discussing in 566 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: the Australian government, from an energy and emissions. 567 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 4: Bilateral to. 568 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: Another sea deal. I think we fantastic that Waterfront Stage 569 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 3: two is a great thing. Where that's in the budget 570 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 3: or there's a pathway to those things in the budget 571 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 3: always be interesting to see. But for me personally, we 572 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 3: can never have enough jobs in normal territory. We have 573 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: to grow ourselves. We have to grow our jobs, we 574 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: have to grow our population. Jobs is always number one. 575 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 3: The more jobs we have, the more ability we have 576 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 3: as territory government to make that long lasting social change 577 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: very quickly. 578 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: The fuel ex size, you want to see that go 579 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: ahead parting. 580 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: Of it, I think that would be one of the 581 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: sensible options to deal with the pressures of the Ukraine 582 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: basically and what's been spiking in our supply chain. 583 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: Chief Minister Michael Gunner, we always appreciate your time. Thanks 584 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: very much for coming in this morning.