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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry. Hello, it is Lola Berry here right.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a week is? Everybody glued to their phones

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Speaker 2: watching the USA election. I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm refreshing my phone every twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: and I'm checking that the map is more blue than red.

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Speaker 1: It is very, very nerve wracking on.

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Speaker 2: A more local level to all our Malbournians there having

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Speaker 2: I think we've had six or seven days in a

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Speaker 2: row nowt of zero cases.

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Speaker 1: Whoop, go Malves. This next guest is in fact.

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Speaker 2: Another Melbournie and he is incredibly funny. His name is

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Speaker 2: Nazim Hussein. He's also a Polish Man Ambasstad, which is

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Speaker 2: how I was able to get him on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise he was pretty much untouchable to me. Recently, he

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Speaker 2: went really far in I'm celeb Get me out of here.

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Speaker 2: I asked him heaps about it. I was like, dude,

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Speaker 2: did you really have to like swim with snakes and

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Speaker 2: hold tarantulas and all those scary things, and he was

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Speaker 2: like one hundred percent Yes, there was no sugarcoating at all.

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Speaker 2: He's also really really well known for obviously being a

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Speaker 2: funny guy, but legally Brown was a show that he

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Speaker 2: wrote himself, a comedy skit show. I have put some

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Speaker 2: of the skits in the show notes because he is

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Speaker 2: that funny, and he actually in this interview breaks down

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Speaker 2: a bit of the behind the scenes of the skits,

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Speaker 2: like everybody else in the room was pretty much an actor,

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Speaker 2: unless it was the person that the prank was being

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Speaker 2: played on.

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Speaker 1: So you are in for a laugh. You're also in

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Speaker 1: for a really honest chat with this very kind human.

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Speaker 2: He's got so many podcasts out literally, but he's got

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Speaker 2: a new one called Rogue Sun, so check that out big.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nazim Hussein. You're an absolute legend, and thank

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Speaker 2: you for making me laugh loads during this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Nazim Hussein. I'm so pumped to have you on. I'm

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Speaker 2: a little bit nervous. I've never had a comedian on

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Speaker 3: No, no, I mean I'm nervous talking to someone who

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Speaker 3: is not a comedian because you say the world probably

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Speaker 3: a little bit more normally, which is a healthier thing

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Speaker 4: And I'm very conscious of being too weird normally.

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Speaker 1: Too weird. You can swear you can do it every shit.

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Speaker 2: Really, absolutely, my friend, absolutely, I do you know what?

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Speaker 2: I started researching you and there was just so much

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Speaker 2: out there, and I was like, you know, I've got

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Speaker 2: to listen to a podcast where you're being interviewed. And

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Speaker 2: within five minutes in my boyfriend or I were driving

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Speaker 2: and my boyfriend looked at me and he goes, he's

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Speaker 2: really smart, Lola.

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Speaker 3: What Okay, you might have gotten me confused with Willid

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Speaker 3: because definitely, yeah, that's not me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I also listened to your interview with him on

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Speaker 2: your show as well. But so I went, I'm a virgo,

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Speaker 2: means I deep. I really like to research and is virgo?

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Speaker 4: September September? What?

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Speaker 3: What are you?

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Speaker 1: Fourteen?

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Speaker 4: Happy birthday for two weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: How old are you know?

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna ask.

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Speaker 1: I think we're the same. I'm thirty five.

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Speaker 4: Hey yeah, same?

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Speaker 1: Perfect.

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Speaker 2: But okay, so you've done so much we're talking TV radio,

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Speaker 2: You've got a plethora of podcasts. You're a prankster TV presenting.

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Speaker 2: There is so much stuff.

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Speaker 1: But is it true that you were a lawyer?

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Speaker 4: Is what happens when you just can't settle on a thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's weird, very weird. I studied law science

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Speaker 3: and then worked at you have you had a place

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually I worked as a tax consultant.

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Speaker 3: So basically, yeah, I was like or my job was

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Speaker 3: to advise people on tax but what I actually did

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Speaker 3: the clients and rely on my team members advice and numbers,

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Speaker 3: and most of my work was always corrected heavily.

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Speaker 4: But so I wouldn't trust know I've got I don't

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Speaker 3: Have a taxicab now and and he's like, how do

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Speaker 3: you not know this? Because didn't you work at PwC

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Speaker 3: advising clients. So I apologize to any and all clients

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Speaker 4: You might need to get a second opinion.

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Speaker 2: So how did you go from the jump from more

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Speaker 2: into comedy because you're like one of Australia's most loved comedians.

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Speaker 3: Come on, if you've read the buyer that I probably

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Speaker 3: wrote it's a goodbye. It was a weird Actually I

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Speaker 3: never planned probably. I feel like a lot of people

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Speaker 3: you know, like and I didn't. I just I spent

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Speaker 3: But I was sort of mucking around on the side

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Speaker 4: That's sort of my problem. I say yes too many things.

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Speaker 3: In fact, tomorrow and I've realized I've trip or booked

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Speaker 3: So like it's just my it's just my habit. It's

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Speaker 4: But but yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Just said yes to everything, and things were busier, and eventually,

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Speaker 3: You don't have to think when you go to work.

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Speaker 3: Someone's just giving you the work. It's like school in

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Speaker 5: I was probably I was a horrible employee that got

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Speaker 5: by because I had charm, I think, and I just

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Speaker 5: used to kind of like I did at school, always

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Speaker 3: Him when he's just when he's just such a people personally.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so likable, so with legally brown because I'm a

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Speaker 2: I got my boyfriend. There's a scene on YouTube where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was ridiculous. Basically, we're just testing the theory

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Speaker 4: It's happened to us, and it happened to be brown people.

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Speaker 3: So often people will talk to me and think that

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Speaker 3: So I will I Am with the banner of a

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Speaker 4: In and they'd be like, all right, autograph time.

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Speaker 3: People just line up, And I think it was a

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Speaker 3: People clearly definitely thought it was him. Jacob from Twilight.

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Speaker 4: He was batting.

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Speaker 2: I'm being holocausters.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous, but muttaime, we're deliberance. He's a Shrilanka cricketer who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's obviously people were just like, this is ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: But so my question is as well, like did you

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Also, like half the show, so it's sort of

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Speaker 4: A monologue to a live audience and then throw to.

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Speaker 3: The pieces that were recorded, so whether it was sketches

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Speaker 3: that one with brown people and yes, I would write

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Speaker 1: I like that Ushton Kutcher show. You know, the prank show.

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Speaker 1: So it's like punked like punk.

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Speaker 3: It's also just like we don't want to humiliate anybody

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Speaker 2: So you have been nominated for so many awards and

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Speaker 3: Losing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, but you won Best Newcomer at the Melbourne International.

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Speaker 3: Also won which is an award not listed in many places,

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Speaker 1: iiO line.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we had much competition to but.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So okay, this is what I found really hard to research.

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Speaker 2: I after I saw a few clips of how hilariously

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And with your mom, you've.

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Speaker 2: But I quickly because I love Ricky Gervais and I

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Speaker 2: of him corpsing, so like bloopering and so much.

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Speaker 1: You can spend hours.

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Speaker 2: Googling your name and blooper and corpsing and do you drop,

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Speaker 3: So, I'm sure there's something on YouTube with like I

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Speaker 4: And you know, I can't remember what the scenario was,

439
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 4: like I think it was.

440
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 3: It was like how to make your racist petnot racist

441
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 3: and de bigotry pet medicine and then like selling weapons toll.

442
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: The whole thing was weird. And seeing how like people

443
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: react when everybody else is going along with this absurd idea,

444
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 3: it would make me laugh some. I literally had to

445
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 3: face the whiteboard and just and just like pretend I

446
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 3: was thinking for a long time while I was actually

447
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 3: crying with laughter.

448
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 4: One time when.

449
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 3: Someone voted for weapons to be sent to children, I

450
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: actually I was. I was breaking down, crying, laughing, but

451
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: I had to pretend like I was actually just crying

452
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: of sad and oh it was just weird. I'm actually

453
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 3: really bad at it. For someone that does has done

454
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: a lot of this, I'm so bad.

455
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's.

456
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 2: You've made me feel happy though that you do, because

457
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: I was like, is he that perfect that he doesn't break?

458
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: Because even like you look at all the SNL stuff

459
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: and Will Farrell, they'll all break, like at some stage

460
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: of the game.

461
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 3: Especially if you know what's funny, like when things are funny,

462
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: like you know, I like that sort of hitting comings

463
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: up because I think it's I'm like, imagine if they

464
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 3: do this and then they do something completely different or

465
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 3: they go beyond that. One time we convince someone that

466
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 3: she was invisible. Had this pretend guru and yes, and

467
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 3: we had so we had like, there's two guests on

468
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 3: the show, and there's like a studio so it looks

469
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 3: like it's a real television show. And one of the

470
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 3: guests was an actor and the other guest was a

471
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: mark or unsuspected and so I did this like chant

472
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: where I pretended it was actually mes singing a Bollywood

473
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 3: song anyway. Then I was like, now I'm gonna make

474
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: you invisible, and then I made her invisible, which meant

475
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: that nobody else in the studio could see her, but

476
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 3: I was supposed.

477
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 4: To hear her, but I pretended I couldn't hear.

478
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: Her, and everybody pretended that they couldn't hear and she

479
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: literally started panicking. And then and then I'd leave the

480
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: studio like we are, we're legally covered for this, right,

481
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: and they would leave and then she'd freak it. But

482
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: she actually freaked out.

483
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: She ran up to the sound guy and wrote on

484
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 4: a piece of paper, I'm.

485
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: Here, and she held it up to the camera. I

486
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 3: was like, what the hell. Every we none of us

487
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 3: expected this. We thought no one's gonna believe that they're invisible.

488
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: But she just thought no one could see her and

489
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: that she'd been deleted, and so we had to run

490
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: and go, hey, we can see we can see you.

491
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 3: So it's just a joke, and a friend came in.

492
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: But it was so good. That sort of stuff, you know,

493
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 4: you can't not laugh, Oh so good.

494
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: One thing I did find on you that made me

495
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: laugh so much was I watched a bit of your

496
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm a celeb, Get me out of here, and you

497
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: feel like your gag really like, you'll see someone vomit,

498
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 2: You'll see something discussing. You'll be like, oh, like you've

499
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: got a very very sensitive yeah, really bad.

500
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: It was actually hard to watch that.

501
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: I'm not like that makes me feel uncomfortable to you,

502
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 2: but I was like, oh, my.

503
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 3: Goodness, this guy is someone worse than you.

504
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: It's the but it's the worst place for someone to

505
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: go that is sensitive. And I just wanted to ask

506
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: me about I'm slept get me out here, because there

507
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: was a few clips I saw and I was like,

508
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: how did he do that?

509
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: As like snakes in the water, like was it legit?

510
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: Like it was the whole thing?

511
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 3: Was The thing is I thought it was going to

512
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: be fake. I don't know why took me to actually

513
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: they came, they asked, they inquired first in.

514
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 4: The first season, and I wasn't really comfortable.

515
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: I didn't really know what the show was, and I

516
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this could just be some you know,

517
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 3: some stitch up to the show where they just make

518
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: you look ridicl And the third season, I remember stressing

519
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: about the decision and then eventually said, yep, I final

520
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: I'll do it. And then I didn't really watch the

521
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: show until I was in lockdown in the in the

522
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: gungle before you go in, and that's when I was like,

523
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 3: what actually happens in the show? And and then I

524
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this kind of looks real, Like it's

525
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: not like a studio where you just get fed off camera.

526
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: I saw people crying and I.

527
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: Was like, look these idiots crying that don't they know

528
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: they're on TV? And I found myself getting quite emotional

529
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: in there as well, because if you and then I

530
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: said people fighting as well. I was like, why would

531
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: you fight and embarrass yourself when you're on camera, but

532
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: like you just immediately you find yourself when you're in

533
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: there doing the same things, because it's just it's an

534
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: interesting social experiment. Because after a week, it's not that

535
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: you forget the cameras are on. You just get tired

536
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: pretending to be someone that you're not. Like, stop being

537
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: this polished version of yourself.

538
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: Just let your guard down.

539
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: People start fighting properly and you know, like and how

540
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: they normally would. But yeah, it was all of you know,

541
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: the food. We had not much food at all.

542
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: The trials were properly scary, and there would be.

543
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 3: Those you know. But I also thought, in the back

544
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: of my mind was always the idea that no, they're

545
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: not going to kill me on television, so just do it.

546
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: And I would also think of my friends back home

547
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: who would just make a lot of fun of me

548
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: if I whimped out.

549
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: So I was like, I just have to do the

550
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: thing straight away.

551
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: If it was a bunge of jump, I just I

552
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: was like, at the counter three, just do it, like

553
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: if you think about it, it's gonna yeah. Yeah. So

554
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: I just didn't.

555
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: Hesitate with things.

556
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do the snake stuff though,

557
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: I was like everything else.

558
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, heights, yep, yep, yep, even eating something gross

559
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: like gross, but snakes, Like, I feel like you have

560
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: to face your actual fears, like because there's so much

561
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: stuff that they cover in it from a fear perspective,

562
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's really yeah.

563
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: It's actually quite I think, I don't know what. Like

564
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: when I think about it, it's really full on. But

565
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: when you're doing it, there's something about the adrenaline of it,

566
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: like because you to actually do those trials, you got

567
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: to like leave camp, then you got to like get

568
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: driven there.

569
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 4: Then there's this huge safety briefing.

570
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 3: Then there's there's this whole build up hours and hours

571
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: and hours and then and then, and the actual challenge

572
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: is like ten minutes or twenty minutes or five minutes

573
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: whatever it is. So it's just it's almost just like

574
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: you don't have time.

575
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 4: To well, I didn't have time to freak out in

576
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: my brain.

577
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: I think if I slowed down and took it in

578
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: a little bit more, I would have. I did freak

579
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: out actually a lot of times, but it was just like, yeah,

580
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: the gag reflex thing was the worse because the challenge

581
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: is inside your body and I think about food maybe

582
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 3: a bit, like it was just the whole thing grows

583
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: me out. And even to this day, I have children

584
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: coming up to me on the street and pretending to

585
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: throw up in front of my face makes me kid

586
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 3: like it just so. It's the worst I saw.

587
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: I saw when you got asked to basically invade people's space,

588
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: like private space, whilst being in this really controlled environment

589
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: where everyone's obviously, like you said, the unpolished version of themselves.

590
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: And I love where Steve Price you like, do you

591
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: want me to shave for your mate?

592
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: And he's like no, and you like you went about

593
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: three or four times like are you sure?

594
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: Like I can just help you out here, and he

595
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: was like.

596
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: Don't he almost slapped me?

597
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 3: He I think I can't even remember if he has

598
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: slapped me, and I don't remember, like aouln't past me.

599
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: It would have been some sort of like jokey slap.

600
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: But he's definitely He and I in there.

601
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: We actively sought to bang heads because.

602
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: It was just fun. After all, I became a sport

603
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: like a Steve. And then whatever he did, I'd say like, hey,

604
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: why did you do that? Knowing you would piss him

605
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 3: off and then well he'd say something to me like

606
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: so you know, he's just something political, which would pissed

607
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: me off, and then.

608
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 5: We just.

609
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: So arguing. But it was actually a good way to

610
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: pass the time. If it wasn't for Steve in there,

611
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I would have to fill that hole.

612
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever saw his he did

613
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: an interview you know how you do your studio ten

614
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: interview as soon as you come.

615
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: Out of the jungle.

616
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he did want and here the whole

617
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: time was just like if you want to book ticket

618
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: to Nazim show, do it?

619
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: This all be on. I'll be up there as well.

620
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: He's like he was.

621
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: My bromance, Like he was there like holding your flat.

622
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 4: It was very cutely.

623
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: No, he's a he's a sweetheart, Like you know, he's

624
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: a he's a nice guy. And that's the thing.

625
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: You know.

626
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's like especially when when you when you when

627
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: you when you consider how he's how good.

628
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 4: A family man he is, it's hard to not likes.

629
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: And also I think it's also hard for people to

630
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: understand how literally how much of a family becoming there,

631
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's if you maybe do Q and A,

632
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: you're on a show where it's two people with different opinions,

633
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: it's very easy to just take them for their opinions.

634
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: And also, you know, as much as I find the

635
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: political quite personal, there's no reason for you to like

636
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: try to like them, whereas when you are forced to

637
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: live with them, you actually have to find a way

638
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: to get along or to see the humanity and each other.

639
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: It's a bit cheesy, but it was actually quite it

640
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: was sort of necessary. So yeah, we just we Eventually

641
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: he did very much annoyment and to be honest, like

642
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: his views still I would often not agree with, and

643
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, so it's sort of reconciling the person that

644
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: I like with some of the things that he said

645
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: or that there's at the people that he platforms, and

646
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: you know, but.

647
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: Wonderful dryness that I think it becomes very almost comedic

648
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: in his in his dry nature.

649
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: He's very funny, like he's he's got that sort of.

650
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: Sense of human that I didn't really grow up around,

651
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: but I found is definitely like a very Australian, maybe

652
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: an older Australian.

653
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Type, like I never really hung out with someone like.

654
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: Steve Price or a Dane Swine, Like these are people

655
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: that I would never normally that sort of person is

656
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: not wouldn't be my friendship circle. So I was sort

657
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: of discovering different cultures through these things.

658
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: It's very weird, But I read that stand up is

659
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: your first love?

660
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Would you say so? First of all? Would you say

661
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: that stand up is your first love?

662
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's It's definitely like in terms of all the

663
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: entertainment and type things. I don't know if you're talking

664
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: about people as well as the.

665
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: Entertainment.

666
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 3: Now, I think I think if you're a comedian and

667
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: you do funny stuff, I think stand up is for me.

668
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: Anyway. Nothing really beats it, because you've got to even

669
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: just being.

670
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: In a room as an audience member with a room

671
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: full of people all laughing, sort of sharing in jokes,

672
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: even just the sound of it makes you feel happy.

673
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: And especially if the room like physically is a good

674
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: room where that sounds good, it's just a great energy.

675
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: You can't leave but feeling better. And if you're the

676
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: one up the front making the laughs, you know, and

677
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: it's working well, you know, and it's sometimes spontaneous and

678
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: it's like you can sort of say whatever you like.

679
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: There's no there's no constraints with you know, like grating

680
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: or like the time of night that it's on television

681
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff.

682
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: You can just do whatever you like.

683
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: It's the best.

684
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's I really miss that of course.

685
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: Of course with lockdown life, because you're Melbourne.

686
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so I think we'll most of us. I

687
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: was one week into the National stand Up Tour. Into

688
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: my tour, I did one week in Adelaide and then

689
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 3: had the rest of the cities lined up ready to go,

690
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: and then yeah, we just have to refund all our tickets.

691
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

692
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: Crazy with stand up though, And I do really like

693
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: I cannot wait until you get to be back in

694
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: real life and doing that. But I imagine with stand up,

695
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: and I am being a very ignorant consumer right now,

696
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: but I imagine the work that has to go in behind

697
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: the scenes is pretty massive. Like you would probably have

698
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: to write all your content. You also need to be

699
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: able to manage your nerves.

700
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: On the night.

701
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: It's not like a TV set or even a set

702
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: up prank space, Like we're talking real life people. You know,

703
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: you're potentially performing to thousands of people, you know, is

704
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: there a lot of work that goes into the prep?

705
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: I mean I think one of the things that I

706
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: learned as I.

707
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: Became more of a stand up was that, oh, there's a.

708
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: Lot of craft involved here. It's not just getting up

709
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: and winging it. Like Actually, when I first started doing

710
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: stuff in front of audiences, it was, like I said,

711
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: at community events, maybe the Muslim community, I'd be up

712
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: in MC and I'd be sort of improvising between things.

713
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: But it wasn't stand up. It was just like me

714
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: stitching together an event or maybe introducing something, saying a

715
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: funny thing here or there. But actually to get up

716
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: as a stand up on a stage just purely just

717
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: there to do jokes, well, yeah, you got to. There's

718
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: a lot of preparation. And Jerry Seinford i think once

719
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: said it takes him eight hours, right three minutes of

720
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: stand up, which and he's considered quite prolific. So it's

721
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 3: it's a writing intensive thing. You have to try it

722
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: again and again and again, and you have to fail

723
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: in front of an audience. So the first time you

724
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: do a joke, it's not tested. There's no other way

725
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: to test it except in front of an audience. So

726
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: you're going and you're doing something you know like no

727
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: one there's sort of not many other times when you

728
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: have to when you when you're practicing in front of

729
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: the real thing, if or tennis play, you get to

730
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: practice of court, you know, with your coach whatever. But

731
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: so yeah, there is that, but you can do lots

732
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: of different ways to mask, you know, like new material if. Yeah,

733
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: the nerves is something that doesn't really go away, but

734
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: but you get used to it, and you know, I

735
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: don't get nervous, so I get nervous, but it's not

736
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: like debilitating. It's almost like something that helps you focus.

737
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 3: It's a kind of excitement in a way, especially if

738
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: the crowds good. I get nervous in front of like

739
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: an audience that I know is a bit weird. I'm like, oh,

740
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: it's a perfect giggle or like everyone's tanking or there's not.

741
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: It's like a socialis like I did like three gigs

742
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: or two gigs in between these two lockdowns.

743
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: Maybe it was like before where there.

744
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: Was like ten people and I was like, oh, this

745
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: is going to be the worst because it's ten people.

746
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: I actually prefer everybody. I think commeditianes prefer bigger crowds

747
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: because then it's to get lest.

748
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's funny what you just said about excitement

749
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: and anxiety. I studied acting school and they say that

750
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: actors that get nerves before they go on stage, it's

751
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: often the body confusing excitement on a like psychological level,

752
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: and that's why yet the palm sweats, you get the

753
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: like funny tummy, and it's actually austen excitement and we

754
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: just interpret it as anxiety. So it's kind of that's

755
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: why you were saying, like you get the hyper focus

756
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: as well, because.

757
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: I think that makes sense. I mean that, well, that's

758
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: a good way to think about it for me. Actually,

759
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: like idea, I think definitely your body you can confu Yeah,

760
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: you can definitely confuse it and be like, oh, why

761
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: are my palm.

762
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: Sweat or why a why like you know, of my

763
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 4: mouth dry?

764
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: But I think it is almost fight and flight fight

765
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: or yeah, totally. It does feel a little like a

766
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: little bit like I imagine boxing or going into like

767
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: a fight or a football game where it's just like,

768
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: all right, it's all on for this ten minutes or

769
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: hour whatever it is, you know, So there's that pacing

770
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: that goes on, and then when you're on it's like

771
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: you've got to be when you're on stage, you've got

772
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: to be on straight away. You can't have like an

773
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: average you can't. You've got to be one hundred percent yeah,

774
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: because if you're not, like it, could it just jokes

775
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: don't work or yeah, you forget a thing like you

776
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: can do that. And you know when I was at office,

777
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: you could kind of have an average day. You can

778
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: coast slip under the radar.

779
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: But you touched on something that I'm really wrapped you did,

780
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: and you were like, we have to kind of stand up.

781
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: Means you fail in front of an audience. And this

782
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: podcast is called Feelsly Failing. You've had such a successful

783
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: career and we're talking across a lot of spectrums of

784
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry, TV presenting, produce your own TV shows,

785
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: written your own TV shows, starting your own TV shows, Radio,

786
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: a truckload of podcasts.

787
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: You know, you've done so much. Has there ever been

788
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: any little setback?

789
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: So you've gone in and pitched a show idea and

790
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: they're like, sorry, this is not going to work for us.

791
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: It has happened many times, and it happens still all

792
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: the time. Like it's it might look like you know,

793
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: like it it's all about perspective. I think if you

794
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: look at my career, you're like, oh, he's successful. For me,

795
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, ah, well, I can see all the nice things,

796
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: and it's nice that some other people like you've just

797
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: seen all the things that have done well or that

798
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: have made you've got your attention.

799
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: But then you, yeah, you will not have seen the many,

800
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 4: many things that have just fallen flat.

801
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: The jokes that are just so bad, that are in

802
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: like this, awkward silences on our stage, the silence in

803
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: in a writing room or or a meeting with a

804
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: network where they're just like, you know, like all that stuff,

805
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: the comments, the YouTube comments sometimes the death threats like that,

806
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: just you know, walking through an audience after a gig

807
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: and hearing.

808
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: Them goingh that was okay, or.

809
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: Just you know, so you see you're here and you

810
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: see all that sort stuff. But you know, I think

811
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: in comedy, just like in all kind of industries or

812
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: professions whatever, that this is a profession.

813
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 4: But you're sort of you know, you sort of just

814
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: have to just get up again. You have to just keep.

815
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: Getting up otherwise, like you know, if you just sort

816
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: of qudit your bad gig, you won't do another one.

817
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: And and you have to have bad gigs for a

818
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: good gig to feel like a good gig, and like,

819
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: I feel really bad when a gig is bad. Like

820
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: it's don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm just like,

821
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: oh yeah, just a positive I need, like I need.

822
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: I called my managerb straight after bad gig. I'm like,

823
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: oh my god, that was so bad. Oh and then

824
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: she'll be like, don't worry. You know, I need someone

825
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: to stroke my ego a little bit because you're putting

826
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: yourself out there and so it doesn't feel good. But

827
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: it's sort of it's just it's part of it.

828
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: I don't know how, like I've just grown to accept it.

829
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: I think it's because comedians in general, it's just part

830
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: and parcel of the culture of comedy that you know,

831
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: you hang out with other comedians and we just talk

832
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: about bad gigs and it's almost very comforting, like no

833
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 3: one talks to each other about great gigs. We're just like, oh, man,

834
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: I did this gig on a boat. It was actually

835
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: I did a gig on about once horrible. And then

836
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: you can't get off the boat for three hours of

837
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: stuff on the boat, which.

838
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: Is no I could think of nothing I remember, like

839
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: I did this.

840
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: Gig was so bad. That was actually during legally bround

841
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: filming the first season, and people weren't listening people. No

842
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: one wasughing at like the jokes, and I was like, okay,

843
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: this will get them.

844
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 4: Then he laughed. I was like crap.

845
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: I came off stage and then everyone was sort of

846
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: avoiding me like a bad smell. Two people spoke to me.

847
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: Someone came up to me and said, you try hard enough, mate,

848
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: you might be as good as AKML. I was like,

849
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: thank you. And this other person came up and said,

850
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: excuse me, mate, where's the toilet?

851
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: And I was like just over there, oh wow.

852
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: But I was paid to mingle with the crowd as well,

853
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: so I was like, how am I going to mingle?

854
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: So I found the upstairs all like playing. It's like

855
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: a casino types set up. I was just sit here

856
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: at this table and that's me technically fulfilling that requirement.

857
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: So head down at this poker table and then no

858
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: one has talked to me. I was like, it's great,

859
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: and then someone said at one point, excuse me, mate,

860
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: do you mind passing me the rule book or like

861
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: there's some rule book on the other side of the

862
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: table said yeah, sure, So I reached across and I

863
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: knocked over a jug of beer, which poured all over

864
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: the table, and everyone just looked up and they're like

865
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: that guy again, that freaking So I was just like,

866
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 3: it was just the worst day, and you just said.

867
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: No, thank you for sharing.

868
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: It's nice to hear like the low lights as well

869
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: as the highlights. And like you said, it's about having

870
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: that ability to kind of like stand up again and

871
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: get up again.

872
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: You've got to shake it off somehow.

873
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: Now, podcasts, you, my friend have a.

874
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: Pleathora, Well, I've done three, I think I know.

875
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: But you're also a guest on a lot as well.

876
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: You're very but I was listening Survivor's Guide. Yes, but

877
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: and you've done burn your Passport. But the new creation

878
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: is Rogue Sun.

879
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

880
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: Audible, so yeah, that was good. That was a I mean, yeah,

881
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: the other two podcasts, well somesgo. We still keep keep

882
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: putting it every moment. That's just me just talking crap

883
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: with another comedian.

884
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun.

885
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: But Audible commissioned a podcast Heerreies where I go to

886
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: Sri Lanka and I spent two weeks or nearly three

887
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: weeks in Sri Lanka, kind of getting to know the

888
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: Sri Lanka that I didn't really get to know growing

889
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: upcause I grow up in Australia and I didn't really

890
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: understand that heritage much.

891
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: Because when I go to Sri Lanka and with family,

892
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: and you know, I've.

893
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: Got a kid now two and a half, and I thought,

894
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: before he is able to ask me questions about his identity, I'm.

895
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 4: Going to quickly go learn the answers and be ahead

896
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: of him.

897
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: So I went there kind of with that intention and

898
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: ended up finding out a lot of stuff that I Yeah,

899
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: I just didn't think that I would even be interested

900
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: in understanding, whether it was like the religious harmony or

901
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: otherwise in Sri Lanka.

902
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: The kind of the political situation.

903
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't there like a political change while you were

904
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: in the air.

905
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there was like a civil war in Sri

906
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: Lanka and it kind of and it ended about a

907
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: decade ago. But the government that ended it has been

908
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: accused of war crimes when they sort of been accused

909
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: of genociding the Tamil population when they when they tried

910
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: to defeat the Tamil targets allegedly may have also allegedly

911
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: killed civilians. Anyway, that government has basically just been re

912
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 3: elected in and we found that out like we were

913
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: when we were in the air on the way there.

914
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: That's when the election result was called and we landed

915
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: in a very different Sri Lanka, a government that has

916
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: again been accused of going after minority groups.

917
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: And in Sri Lanka, I'm from a minority group. Muslims

918
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: are a minority group.

919
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: Didn't he isn't?

920
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but you know, you know, you're

921
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: Sri Lanka. Yes, it was like so it was a bit,

922
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: you know, people very nervous, and yes, it was kind

923
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: of with that as the background, understanding and exploring Shri

924
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: Lanka and speaking to people that we probably shouldn't have

925
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: spoken to. We you know, it was just a lot

926
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: of stuff. There was a lot of risky stuff that

927
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: went on, but also quite funny. We had obviously a

928
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: really fun funny time SriLankan martial arts with a guy

929
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: who taught me how to kill someone by blowing magic

930
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: dusts in their face and then also bringing someone back

931
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: to life. Oh wow, I was but yeah, it was

932
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: all sorts of all sorts of weird, wonderful things, and yeah,

933
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: I was pretty happy I have done that. And that's

934
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: so very dropping my plug audible rogue sun.

935
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: So it sounds so because I was able to read

936
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: the bio and just get a little snippet of it,

937
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: and it sounded like, yeah, you covered so much. And

938
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: like for me having a very naive vision, I've never

939
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: been to Sri Lanka, but like there's the version of

940
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: Schlank you see on Getaway, you know, and and that's

941
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, very kind of like glossy.

942
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: You know. Well, the thing is, it's like it's a

943
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: beautiful like actually straight after the civil war ended, so

944
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: there was like obviously it was d My memory of

945
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: gone to Schlanka throughout my life for trips has always

946
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: when you get off the plane.

947
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: There's there's army dudes in with machine guns.

948
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: You'd hear about suicide bombs going off around the place.

949
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: Kids been pulled out of schools because like, oh there

950
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: was you know, there's a thread of a bomb or

951
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: this that Like it's just a civil unrest for as

952
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: long as I can remember, But as soon as it

953
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: ended brutally, then suddenly Shrilanka became like the number one

954
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 3: destination on Lonely Planet, and heats and tourism has boomed.

955
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: Then there's obviously the easter attacks which which affected that.

956
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: But still, like overall, I think Srilanka has been a

957
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: place where I think it has just been opened up

958
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: to the world in lots of different ways. But yeah,

959
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: it's got a very complicated history, especially with colonization there

960
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: and what that that's done to the culture and too

961
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: to to sort of the economic prosperity of the place

962
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: and what it continue to do with like the way

963
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: tea is almost like stolen from Schlanker and many it's

964
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: it's a it's an interesting place, but much like many

965
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: places in the developing world, understanding how it got there

966
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: is also kind of interesting and also a bit sad.

967
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: It's so good that you're shining a light on, Yes, confronting,

968
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: but also like it's nice to know the truth.

969
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, well absolutely, I think you know, like often

970
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: I grew up in you know, obviously in Australia, and

971
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: I think I've always been interested in counterculture. You know,

972
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: people that have always been agitators and you know, not

973
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 3: really accepted what's just fed to them, all that sort

974
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: of stuff. I really enjoyed, you know, and I've been

975
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 3: inspired by you know, people generally from America, African American,

976
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: the civil rights movement there, Malcolm X like I but

977
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: I think I was, you know, so I've sort of

978
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: politically my mind has been drawn to that struggle. But

979
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: I think I have always wanted to know a little

980
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: bit about Sri Lanka and how I can connect to

981
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: that narrative.

982
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: And you know, like there have been people there that

983
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: have done.

984
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: Amazing things and have you know, challenged oppression and injustices,

985
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: and so it gave me a.

986
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: Sense of pride going there and understanding you know. Yeah,

987
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: so I'd like to pass.

988
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: That on definitely.

989
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: I speaking of something else amazing that you've been involved with,

990
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: and that is Polish Man and it's all about literally

991
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: ending violence against children. At the moment, it's hitting a

992
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: billion kids annually. What made you want to I mean,

993
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: obviously you want to get involved. You've got a two

994
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: and a half year old, and I imagine you want

995
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: to set up a brilliant future for them. But what

996
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: was kind of like You're just like, ah, I just

997
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: was it a no brainer?

998
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like you said, like, it is such

999
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: a the cause is a no brainer thing like violencing

1000
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: children and understanding the facts and the prevalence of it

1001
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: was just shocking how common and not how common, but

1002
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: just how even in Australia, we oh, this is a

1003
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: first world country. We think about these sorts of things

1004
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: just happening over seas. This happens in our backyard. That

1005
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 3: really got to me. But also speaking to the team,

1006
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: you could just tell there's lots of people doing lots

1007
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: of great things. But it's also nice to hear the

1008
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: passion and work. You know, for me, it's just easy.

1009
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 3: I just put my name to it and I get

1010
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: to ride the good work that they do. I'm just

1011
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: literally helping, you know, raise profile, maybe raise some money,

1012
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: but then people actually do stuff with the money. Are

1013
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: the people that work day and day out and they've

1014
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: done they do an amazing job.

1015
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: And I was kind of convinced by their passion immediately.

1016
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: But also, yeah, like having a kid, you know, as

1017
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: cliche as it all is, as soon as you have

1018
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: a child, like I'll find myself getting emotional watching things

1019
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: on TV that have anything to do with a kid.

1020
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: I watched Lion again recently, and the first third of

1021
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: it I was like, oh, I have to stop it.

1022
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: I just stopped stopped watching it after maybe twenty minutes,

1023
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: and then I watched it again last night and the

1024
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: night before I finished it again. But it was yeah,

1025
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: like it's a it's a very it's a wee because

1026
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: you see your own child in it, so yeah, yeah it's.

1027
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: And Polish Man is the reason why I've got you

1028
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: here today. So without Polish Man, I would never have

1029
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: met you buy Zoom exactly and this would never have

1030
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: happened at all.

1031
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: Thank you Polish Man.

1032
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: Thank you Polish Man.

1033
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: And also a Polish.

1034
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 4: Woman now isn't that as well?

1035
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1036
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: And I will because I got involved and I.

1037
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, is it okay? Like I've always seen

1038
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: like Chris Hemsworth be the face of advanced joy, you know,

1039
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, no, no, we want Polish women

1040
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: to be involved as well. So I am officially involved too.

1041
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: But what's so if we what can we look forward

1042
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: for you? Obviously after lockdown ends and you know there

1043
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: is some kind.

1044
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Of normality, will you you know, will you pick up

1045
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: your show? What's your plan?

1046
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: I mean at the moment, because all the live stuff

1047
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: is it's canceled.

1048
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: I've been well.

1049
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: Apart from the weird zoom gigs, I've been spending time

1050
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: at writing, so a book at the moment, a children's book,

1051
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: and also just developing a new new TV thing, so

1052
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: you know, all those things take a lot of time,

1053
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: but you know, what better time to start than right now.

1054
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 3: So we've been developing that and you know, online writers'

1055
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: rooms and that kind of thing. So it's who knows,

1056
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: you might just see me on the corner just yelling

1057
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: jokes out.

1058
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: And with that, I'm so glad you said you're writing

1059
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: a book, because as I was researching, I was like,

1060
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: this guy's got to have a book or write a book.

1061
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: So I'm rap that you're doing one for kids, but

1062
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: I think you should do an adult book too, because yeah,

1063
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: you've definitely got a book.

1064
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like I just think, yeah,

1065
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: because have you got a book.

1066
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm also I'm working on my eleventh manuscript right now.

1067
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty big not big as in I write

1068
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: heaps is what I'm doing.

1069
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 4: So you're a writer.

1070
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: So you're a writer.

1071
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: You can actually just write for me.

1072
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: It's like a real effort.

1073
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not naturally smart at all. In fact,

1074
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: I was so manuscript. I write about nutrition and health.

1075
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: It's very stuff that it requires.

1076
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: Fact, I just tell stupid things that happened to me

1077
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 3: this and then this happened to show and.

1078
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: Tell, Show and tell us good though, because at the

1079
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: end of the day and you touched on it about

1080
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm asleep, get me out of here.

1081
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: It's all about like human connection. And I think that

1082
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: if you.

1083
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: Can write about yourself and I would like even just

1084
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: consuming and stuff on YouTube. I felt I was like,

1085
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: this guy's a legend, very smart, which is intimidating, but

1086
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: so you should be absolutely writing.

1087
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: You can be my ghost writer. I how about that? Done?

1088
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: Done deal.

1089
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: It's been a total honor to have you on the podcast.

1090
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.

1091
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: I feel like this is now the highlight of my week.

1092
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: Sofer feeling as mutual my friend, Jaseem, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see you in real life an

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Speaker 2: audience member. When you've got your thousands in the audience again.

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Speaker 4: Can I happen.

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Speaker 1: See your barb.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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