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Speaker 1: Is acceptance going to bring out the best in your child?

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Speaker 1: Or is rejection and judgment going to bring out the best?

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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 3: The time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson. I'm the dad to

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Speaker 1: six kids and the author of six books about raising

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Speaker 1: happy families. Here with my wife and a podcast partner,

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Speaker 1: life partner, and a mum of our six children as well.

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Speaker 2: Kylie, missus Happy Families.

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Speaker 3: I've been having a conversation this week.

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Speaker 2: You're sounding you're sounding ominous. What have I done? Now,

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Speaker 2: I've just it's in your tone. I've done something, haven't I?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was having a conversation with someone and they

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Speaker 3: alluded to the fact that you didn't think I'd make

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Speaker 3: a very good co host. Is this true?

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Speaker 2: You were talking to our executive producer, Craig Bruce. That's well,

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Speaker 2: it's not exactly. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, can I explain explain away. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: for me to explain it. I'm so so glad that

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Speaker 1: you're my co host?

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Speaker 2: Is what I want? You can say that now? So glad?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I've got a background in radio, I've spent

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Speaker 2: Well my undergrade on my PhD, etcetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And because I've got a background in radio and I

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Speaker 1: love the podcast so much, I didn't And you don't

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Speaker 1: But we've got six kids and you're busy, and I

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Speaker 2: I'll stop digging. I'm so glad that you're my co host.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going great.

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Speaker 1: I really love what we're doing with the podcast, and

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Speaker 1: I love being able to spend time with you each day.

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Speaker 2: Did I get out of that?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Oh, just this is why you're so good.

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Speaker 2: You let me off. You let me off so easily.

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Speaker 3: You'd liked me be harder on you.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. I'm just

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Speaker 3: I think we're great together. I think we're awesome together.

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Speaker 3: And I've loved this space that we're in. But what

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Speaker 3: I've loved more is that it would seem our community

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that you're going to bring that up,

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Speaker 1: but we've got numbers of more than doubled in terms

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Speaker 1: of listeners. So a big thank you to you missus

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Speaker 1: Happy Families for making people like listening to the podcast

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Speaker 1: even more. And for those of you who are listening,

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Speaker 1: we're so grateful that you're listening. It's huge, more than

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Speaker 1: So what are we talking about today in this highly anticipated,

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Speaker 3: Well, tonight's our last night of book club.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so twenty one days to a happier family.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Happy Family's member, you would have been

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Speaker 1: Only if you're not a Happy Family's member, it's not

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Speaker 2: Can participate in book club. What is it tonight?

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Speaker 3: Tonight, we're actually talking about practicing acceptance.

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Speaker 1: And so in that chapter, I mean, I haven't read

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Speaker 1: While we're doing that, all we do is we rupture

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about some positive strategies that we can

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Speaker 3: help us dealing with these situations. After this, it's a

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: It's going to be all about acceptance.

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Speaker 1: Acceptance does not come easily. In fact, we raise our

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