WEBVTT - Sarah’s Day Slams Son’s School For Denying Holiday Leave 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day

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<v Speaker 1>slams her Son's school over holiday debacle and Steph Claire

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's Baby Bonanza. But first, m Davies and Lucy Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>have shocked their followers by revealing how many times they've

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<v Speaker 1>ordered Uber eats. Now, this is all part of a

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok trend called the uber Eats Challenge, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>all over my fore page at the moment. But for

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<v Speaker 1>those who haven't seen it, there's a setting in the

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<v Speaker 1>uber Eats app that tells you how many times you've ordered.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know is this a new feature that

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<v Speaker 1>uber Eats is trying to promote or has someone just

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<v Speaker 1>stumbled across it, because either way it seems like good

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<v Speaker 1>pr for uber Eats. Well, it's great pr because Nicki

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<v Speaker 1>and Lucy ended up sharing this video that's had over

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and ten thousand views and in it they

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<v Speaker 1>expose their order numbers. So to make it more entertaining,

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<v Speaker 1>they guessed their numbers before they were revealed, so Nicki

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<v Speaker 1>gets two hundred and she was pretty close. She ordered

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty seven times. As for Lucy, she

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<v Speaker 1>shocked everyone by revealing she had ordered uber eats five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty five times. I want to know, is

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<v Speaker 1>this over the past year or is this the lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>of them having the app? Well, when I originally saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was over a year, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, has she been ordering uber eats twice

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<v Speaker 1>a day? However, the figure is a summary of the

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime of the app, so thank god. Yeah, but even so,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a lot of orders. Uber Eats even commented

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<v Speaker 1>on the video, writing, doll, that's outrageous. The fact that

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<v Speaker 1>uber eats is commenting and getting in on this makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like it's part of an over arching marketing strategy. See,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think that's the case, because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the conversations around it is that people are ashamed

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<v Speaker 1>about how many times you're ordering from the app and

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<v Speaker 1>that they need to cut back. Yeah, I suppose. It

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<v Speaker 1>was quite interesting because m Davies also got in on

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<v Speaker 1>the action, so she filmed a video with Nicki and

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<v Speaker 1>M guessed that she had ordered Uber eats nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty times, and even though that sounds like an

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<v Speaker 1>outrageous number, she had actually underestimated just how many times

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<v Speaker 1>she'd ordered. Let's have a listen to what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be bad. I'm scard.

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<v Speaker 2>You have ordered uber eat one two hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven times.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why my financial advice is like stun what.

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<v Speaker 2>Stretch?

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<v Speaker 1>I love how Nikky audibly gore so. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Lucy's was ridiculous, and then I heard m Davies.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't this just typical of influences though they're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who have disposable income, even though they've probably got more

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<v Speaker 1>time than any of us to cook, They're like, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck it, I'll order it. I mean, I love the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of Uber Eats and the ease of just being

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<v Speaker 1>able to get something delivered. But I haven't looked at

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<v Speaker 1>what my number is. I would think that it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of times I've actually ordered from there because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to pay for delivery, and I also

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<v Speaker 1>find that when it's delivered it's often very cold. See

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<v Speaker 1>I use it more. I actually did look at my number,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have ordered it over the eight years I've

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<v Speaker 1>had it eleven times. I know that's not a huge amount,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not very many. But my husband also uses his

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<v Speaker 1>app and he is the one that usually orders our takeaway,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had two hundred times. See, I would rather

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<v Speaker 1>just jump in my car, go down the road and

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that the food is hot. Like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a particularly lazy person to want to order

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<v Speaker 1>on there that many times. Yeah, I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty brave thing to do to expose your number, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>if you're m Davies or Lucy Jackson, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it does say a lot about you as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when I heard their numbers, I immediately started making

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<v Speaker 1>assumptions about their financial situation. You know, if the number

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<v Speaker 1>is really high, You're like, oh, they must be earning

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<v Speaker 1>so much money they don't even have to think about

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<v Speaker 1>spending money or takeaway. And I also began to question

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<v Speaker 1>their priorities and whether they should just be making their

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<v Speaker 1>food at home. I think there's also a lazy connotation

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<v Speaker 1>to it, But then there's all that's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people that have been wearing it as a badge of honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you not really irritates me when I'm down at

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<v Speaker 1>a takeaway store, I just say Zambreros, for instance, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to wait for them to make the Uber

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<v Speaker 1>Eats people's orders, and I'm like, I'm fucking in the store.

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<v Speaker 1>I've bothered to get myself out on a winter night

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<v Speaker 1>stand in the store order, and I'm having to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for these people at home who are being lazy. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>it pisses me off too. It has really screwed over

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<v Speaker 1>how quick takeaway places are in terms of m davies.

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<v Speaker 1>She ended up sharing a follow up video to explain

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<v Speaker 1>herself a little bit further. This is what she said.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I generally need to be put in rehab

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<v Speaker 3>for Uber Eats. I have been looking at everyone else's

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<v Speaker 3>on TikTok, and the worst part is Joel pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>cooks for me every night on the barbecue. So I

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<v Speaker 3>really don't have any excuse apart from the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a mum. I reckon like, yeah, yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>serious problem, man, it's probably your house to close it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, and went on to say that seventy percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Uber Eats orders were from Nando's, which is something that

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<v Speaker 1>she could easily make it home. Now. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people were trying to let her off the hook and said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a mum. Nikki Westcott waged in though and said

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<v Speaker 1>ha ha. Joel said, you'd order a packet of chips

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<v Speaker 1>from the survey if the mood's striped and coffees most

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<v Speaker 1>days to be fair. Someone else pointed out that m

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<v Speaker 1>Davies has had the app for around eight years, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's only been a mum for less than ones. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite interesting because when you crunch the numbers, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's been on the app, as you say, for around

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<v Speaker 1>eight years, that works out to one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>orders a year. So she is ordering from uber Eats

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<v Speaker 1>roughly two to three times a week. That is a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even her financial advisor has got involved and

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<v Speaker 1>said that she needs to stop ordering from uber Eats.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I wasn't even going to bring this back up

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm just like ugh, erasing it from my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also know that it's going.

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<v Speaker 1>To ruffle Oh thank you a few people's feathers. Sarah's

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<v Speaker 1>Day has slammed her son Fox School after they denied

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<v Speaker 1>him leave to attend a family trip to Fiji. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>the decision from the school, the self proclaimed holistic health.

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<v Speaker 1>Princess still pulled the six year old out of class

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<v Speaker 1>for the vacation, So can you tell us more well.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah and her family have been in Fiji celebrating her

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<v Speaker 1>mum's sixtieth and also her sister's thirtieth, and it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that Sarah has been overseas with her

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<v Speaker 1>parents and sisters, but it is one of many of

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<v Speaker 1>her trips with her husband and kids over the past

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<v Speaker 1>few years. They feel like they've been to Fiji quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few times in the last five years and Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii is one of their favorite places to go to.

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<v Speaker 1>And whilst over the past week we've seen a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of happy snaps and vision of the extended family having

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<v Speaker 1>the time of their lives on this holiday, we have

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<v Speaker 1>since discovered that the trip got off to a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sour note because while Sarah and her family were at

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<v Speaker 1>the airport waiting to board their flight, Sarah got an

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<v Speaker 1>email from her son, Fox's school, saying that his leave

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<v Speaker 1>had not been approved and it was important for him

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<v Speaker 1>to be at school learning. Now. Fox turned six in

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<v Speaker 1>March and that's actually the same month he started school.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's compulsory and new South Wales for a child

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<v Speaker 1>to start school by the time they're six years old, However,

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<v Speaker 1>it's normal for them to actually start when they're five

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<v Speaker 1>years old. Yeah, most parents try and get their kids

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<v Speaker 1>into school as early as they can and start that education.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I wonder if it's due to flexibility.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted him at home more to lead more of

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<v Speaker 1>a flexible lifestyle with him. I'm really not sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose it's her personal decision. But despite knowing that this

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<v Speaker 1>news about the school would ruffle feathers, she decided to

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<v Speaker 1>share this update with her one point two million followers anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>She jumped on her Instagram stories while she was walking

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<v Speaker 1>on a beach in Fiji and explained that as it's

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<v Speaker 1>her son's first year of school, she was unaware of

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<v Speaker 1>the school's policy for leave. Now. She prefaced that Fox

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go to a special school AKA, she wanted everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to know that he's at a public school and not

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<v Speaker 1>a fancy private school, and she was quite surprised by

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<v Speaker 1>the depth of the application process. Now. The school's rules

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<v Speaker 1>stated that she had to apply for leave because her

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<v Speaker 1>son was going to be away for longer than three days.

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<v Speaker 1>They were actually spending a week in Fiji. Let's have

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<v Speaker 1>a listen to some of what Sarah said.

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<v Speaker 2>So I basically feel in this like extended le form.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to the receptionist girl and she's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all good. You just have to send us now, like proof.

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<v Speaker 1>Of your flights. And I was like, okay, cool. So

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<v Speaker 1>I sent him proof of my flights.

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<v Speaker 2>They responded by an email saying, sweet, We've got everything

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<v Speaker 2>we need for this like getaway or whatever. And I said, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is his Grandma's sixtieth trip, it's really important.

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<v Speaker 2>Where he's only missing five days of school anyway, So

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<v Speaker 2>day one of the trip, I get an email back

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<v Speaker 2>like we're at the airport and basically it says that

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<v Speaker 2>Foxes leave hasn't been approved. Yeah, anyway, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>could go on and on about it, and I think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, if you're a mom like me, like

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<v Speaker 2>you get it. Yes, I want him to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to read and write and like be.

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<v Speaker 1>In the classroom and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not, like I haven't pulled him out of

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<v Speaker 2>school for like a month, and it's not like he's

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<v Speaker 2>not anyway whatever whatever. But I responded and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll we're at the airport, like, thanks, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, whatever, whatever, well school. The fact that she referred

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<v Speaker 1>to the receptionist as that receptionist girl like that just

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<v Speaker 1>shows the amount of respect that was going on. It

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<v Speaker 1>was quite patronizing. It's clear that she knew that this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a controversial take, because she prefaced

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<v Speaker 1>the post by saying that she was likely going to

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<v Speaker 1>ruffle some feathers. I just am at a loss as

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<v Speaker 1>to why you would take a potshot at your child's school.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easily something that she could have just kept private.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no question in my mind that this

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<v Speaker 1>is getting back to the school, either through the parents

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<v Speaker 1>or the staff who may follow her. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like she maybe wanted it to get back there,

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<v Speaker 1>because why else would you put this out. She was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly pissed off about it, and I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 1>already see where the school stands on this. There's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bit of animosity when she goes back

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<v Speaker 1>into the classroom because they've made the decision that it's

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<v Speaker 1>in his best intro that he be at school learning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet she's just been like, no, he's going to miss

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<v Speaker 1>the whole week. I mean, that's going to put him behind.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as someone whose parents are both teachers, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I look at this from a different perspective, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel for the teacher in this situation because not only

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<v Speaker 1>is the teacher now going to have to invest more

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<v Speaker 1>time in Fox, they're gonna have to take time away

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<v Speaker 1>from the other kids in the class to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that he is then up to speed with what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would not only be stressful for the teacher

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<v Speaker 1>in the class, but also Fox. I'm interested to know

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<v Speaker 1>what the ramifications are for ignoring the school, because I personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that a school could actually say no,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't take your kid on a holiday. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>why they have that process in place, though, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>very disruptive for the child and also the class. As

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying, yeah, I was talking about it to

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<v Speaker 1>my husband, his dad is also a teacher, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I'd never really heard about this happening when

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<v Speaker 1>we were kids, And it's because at school you get

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<v Speaker 1>so many holidays, like every ten weeks, you then get

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks of holidays. At the end of the year

0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.640
<v Speaker 1>get five weeks of holidays. Most everyday. People also have

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<v Speaker 1>to lodge holidays with their own work, so generally you

0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.520
<v Speaker 1>try and fit around those school holiday times, even though

0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.319
<v Speaker 1>it can be more expensive to go away. But I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose from our family's perspective too, with our parents being teachers,

0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.760
<v Speaker 1>we went on holidays because they had the break then,

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<v Speaker 1>So it is more difficult for parents who aren't teachers

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<v Speaker 1>to align their holidays with the school holidays. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why there's generally more planning. In this instance, it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like a bit of a last minute decision. It

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like this form was lodged very late, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why the school only got back to her when they

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<v Speaker 1>were at the airport. It also really demonstrates the different

0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.680
<v Speaker 1>lifestyle the influencers lead. I mean, if you look at Sarah,

0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.280
<v Speaker 1>she is used to locking in a trip whenever she

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<v Speaker 1>pleases due to the flexibility of her working for herself,

0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and she's also got a disposable income. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw it recently with Molly May. She decided to book

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<v Speaker 1>a family trip with Tommy and Bambi to Dubai and

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<v Speaker 1>they booked it in a day before they left. So

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the confines of the real world like us.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they can just book whenever they want. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting when people then send their kids to

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<v Speaker 1>school and they have to abide by someone else's rules

0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that they have a problem with it. Yeah, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>me wonder whether she held back in rolling Fox into

0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.400
<v Speaker 1>school for this very reason that she didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>have to abide by their rules. You know what I

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<v Speaker 1>also found confusing. She seemed to be pleading a lot

0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of ignorance in this case about the school's policies. But

0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.760
<v Speaker 1>many people who have listened to Our Sarah's Day Deep

0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Dive episode will know that she actually studied to become

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<v Speaker 1>a primary school teacher before her YouTube took off. I

0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:31.920
<v Speaker 1>think she only had a semester or so to go,

0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.600
<v Speaker 1>but she was doing pracks within school, so surely she

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<v Speaker 1>would have some understanding of the policies in place for leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I also thought maybe she would have a different stance

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<v Speaker 1>on the importance of education as well, all some respect

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<v Speaker 1>for teachers. I have seen some people say, oh, well,

0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.840
<v Speaker 1>he's probably learning more on this trip than he would

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<v Speaker 1>be back at school, because obviously people learn about different

0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.680
<v Speaker 1>cultures and through experiences. What do you think about that theory? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a pretty good point, But he

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<v Speaker 1>has been to Fiji fairly recently, I think maybe within

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<v Speaker 1>the last year to six months, so I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>how much more beneficial it would be going again. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>when you go to a place like Fiji, typically you

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<v Speaker 1>are stuck in a resort. It was a tourist bubble,

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<v Speaker 1>and I understand that obviously they have some traditional dances

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<v Speaker 1>that come into the resort and those sort of things,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd hardly say it's the same as going to Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're going to be going on different excursions and

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<v Speaker 1>learning about history and that sort of thing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>age also comes into it as well, with Fox being

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<v Speaker 1>six and being a little bit delayed at primary school.

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<v Speaker 1>The hope probably was from his teachers that he would

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<v Speaker 1>do a couple of terms of reception and then go

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<v Speaker 1>into year one. However, this holiday may have delayed that

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<v Speaker 1>process a little bit. Also think that it sends a

0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.240
<v Speaker 1>bad message to him that you can just leave school

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you want to on a holiday. And I mean

0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.040
<v Speaker 1>reception in year one. They're really fundamental years where you

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<v Speaker 1>are learning the absolute basics that you need to then

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<v Speaker 1>progress into the next years. I just don't understand why

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<v Speaker 1>she's publicly put it out there that the school isn't

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<v Speaker 1>happy with her decision, as well the fact that she's

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<v Speaker 1>been in the business for ten years, she is savvy

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<v Speaker 1>enough to know that her critics and even the media,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to create a narrative about this self important

0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.840
<v Speaker 1>influencer who has pulled their son out of school to

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<v Speaker 1>go on a lavish holiday, which is exactly what the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily Mail did. And I just wonder if maybe she's

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<v Speaker 1>so out of touch and was so mad that the

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<v Speaker 1>school scolded her in this way, that she just wanted

0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that instant affirmation from her supporters and wanted reassurance from

0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.240
<v Speaker 1>other mums that maybe she made the right decision. Because

0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.800
<v Speaker 1>she kept saying, oh, the mums will get it, I

0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.640
<v Speaker 1>felt it saying I don't actually think they will. I

0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.200
<v Speaker 1>think she's probably just surrounded by yes people and this

0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.320
<v Speaker 1>is the first time in a long time someone has

0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.120
<v Speaker 1>said no to her. Yeah. I also wonder if she's

0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to get a bit of engagement. She hasn't created

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<v Speaker 1>much controversy for a while now, and that is reflected

0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.360
<v Speaker 1>in her viewcount. I mean, obviously she's still getting okay views,

0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's nowhere near to the engagement she used to get.

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<v Speaker 3>So I realized I kind of shot myself in the

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<v Speaker 3>foot with the whole wait count down to the baby coming,

0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:00.280
<v Speaker 3>because now it's making the anticipation.

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<v Speaker 1>Of so Steph gles Smith and her husband Josh Miller

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<v Speaker 1>announced the arrival of their baby daughter on Friday night.

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<v Speaker 1>The finness influencer and models struck up a deal with

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<v Speaker 1>Vogue magazine, releasing exclusive photos from her birthing suite. Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>We've been on baby watch for a while now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this feels like one of the longest pregnancies, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's because I've been experiencing it alongside

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<v Speaker 1>Steph clear Smith in a parasocial way, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you have this special connection with influencers when you're

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant around the same time as them. She's only a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks ahead of me, and I keep looking at

0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.640
<v Speaker 1>her as to what I'm expecting next. That influencer for

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<v Speaker 1>me was jar Da Tuni, So we've spoken about it recently,

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<v Speaker 1>but when she's gone for round two, I was like, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not up to that yet. I think there was

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<v Speaker 1>also more anticipation around this pregnancy because Steph les Smith

0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and her husband. They decided to keep the gender a secret.

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<v Speaker 1>That made it really exciting for us playing at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can tell Steph was absolutely over the moon

0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.320
<v Speaker 1>when she found out that she had a little girl. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like she had some sort of professional photographer

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<v Speaker 1>in the birthing suite, because she shared this carousel of

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<v Speaker 1>very beautiful black and white photos of the moment she

0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.920
<v Speaker 1>discovered the gender. And in one of the photos she

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<v Speaker 1>is literally screaming in excitement, and then she burst into tears.

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<v Speaker 1>So she shared these on social media and wrote, one

0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.200
<v Speaker 1>of the most euphoric feelings in the world. These snaps

0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.960
<v Speaker 1>are raw moments of us finding out our little one's gender.

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<v Speaker 1>And my gosh, the surprise was so so special. It

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<v Speaker 1>was you in there all along the way. You came

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<v Speaker 1>out so calm, so alert, just looking straight into my eyes.

0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I fell in love instantly, So grateful to have another

0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.400
<v Speaker 1>little being to love like this now. She dubbed these

0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.440
<v Speaker 1>photos as their gender reveal. Is this going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a new thing. We've got cakes, We've got the glitter guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this now going to be a thing where people

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<v Speaker 1>who decide to have the surprise have a professional photographer

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<v Speaker 1>in there to capture the moments that the parents discover

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<v Speaker 1>the gender. Well, maybe just for influencers. I mean it

0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.080
<v Speaker 1>did get me thinking because I found out the gender

0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:02.840
<v Speaker 1>of my baby, and if I were to have a

0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.520
<v Speaker 1>second one, seeing this photo, I was like, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>would be nice to find out in the I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's something special about not finding out the second time,

0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.639
<v Speaker 1>because there can be a bit of gender disappointment if

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you're really gunning for a particular gender. And then I

0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.560
<v Speaker 1>think in the moment, obviously, birth is so beautiful and

0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.320
<v Speaker 1>exciting that whatever you get you're gonna be happy with.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was to have another boy, I'd be like, oh,

0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing, brothers, because I do think that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a special connection that same sex siblings have. And then

0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.320
<v Speaker 1>if it was a girl, I'd be so excited because

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have one of each. So I think when it

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<v Speaker 1>gets to the point where you'd be excited about both,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when maybe you're like, Okay, we'll have it as

0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.240
<v Speaker 1>a surprise. Yeah, we got to talk about the name.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have called their baby girl Billy Claire Miller,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was pretty iconic that they put

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<v Speaker 1>the Claire in there. Yeah, I like that nod to

0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.879
<v Speaker 1>her name because she's become known as Steph cles Smith.

0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Claire is obviously her middle name. It's a brand, isn't it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of us go by our full name

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<v Speaker 1>with our middle name. I think it was an instrum

0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.800
<v Speaker 1>thing where Steph Smith would have been taken. Olivia Rogers

0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.639
<v Speaker 1>does it as well. She a lot of people know

0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.800
<v Speaker 1>her as Olivia Molly Rogers. I don't know if it

0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.680
<v Speaker 1>was just Instagram. I mean, I think it's the fact

0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that Steph Smith sounds pretty shit like it doesn't It

0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.679
<v Speaker 1>sounds pretty plain, Steph Clay Smith. That sounds good exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to throw the middle name in there. I

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<v Speaker 1>am just predicting that we're going to have an onslaught

0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of baby girls called Billy. Well, it's been a popular

0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.040
<v Speaker 1>name for a while, like Bet Judd's daughter is called

0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Billy and she's about eight years old. Actually, I checked

0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the charts and it ranks at number sixty three in Australia,

0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.159
<v Speaker 1>so it's not as popular as what I thought it was.

0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a while ago, so maybe she's

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<v Speaker 1>bringing it back. Well, Steph said that when it came

0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to girls' names, they had been set on Billy for

0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.199
<v Speaker 1>quite a while, but they were struggling to come up

0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.040
<v Speaker 1>with boys' names. She said they had around three boys'

0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.240
<v Speaker 1>names that they liked, but they weren't in love with

0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.320
<v Speaker 1>any of them, so it was quite a relief that

0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.159
<v Speaker 1>they had a girl. It's hard when you already have

0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.240
<v Speaker 1>a boy and you've picked your favorite name, So it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like, oh, I don't really know. When asked

0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.760
<v Speaker 1>why she gave her daughter the same middle name, Steph

0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.280
<v Speaker 1>explained that they all shared Josh's family name and she

0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.120
<v Speaker 1>loves it. It allows her to have this other identity

0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.919
<v Speaker 1>outside of her work as Steph Claire Smith. But she

0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.399
<v Speaker 1>still wanted her daughter to have a connection to her

0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Smith family name, and as soon as she said Billy Claire,

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.919
<v Speaker 1>she said the decision was done. It just flowed and

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.880
<v Speaker 1>sounded really lovely. See when the name was first revealed,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, doesn't Josh have a sister called Billy.

0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.199
<v Speaker 1>His sister is actually called Bailey, So they've got a

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Bailey Miller and now a Billy Miller. I feel like

0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.480
<v Speaker 1>they're different enough, though, but there's a lot of eyes

0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and elks going on, Like it's a very matchy matchy name,

0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.520
<v Speaker 1>but when you stick Claire in there, it kind of

0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Claire's got Elleen and I in as well.

0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Billy will have to just been known as Billy

0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Claire the whole time. Yeah, I actually think she probably

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<v Speaker 1>will be. It probably shouldn't have been surprising to me

0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.440
<v Speaker 1>that there was this professional photographer in the birthing suite

0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 1>because Steph had lined up an exclusive deal with Vogue magazine,

0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.159
<v Speaker 1>which I think surprised some people because we've seen Vogue

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.080
<v Speaker 1>covering a lot of influencer's weddings. I haven't seen them

0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.000
<v Speaker 1>covering influencers berths. I'm wondering if will get printed in

0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the monthly edition or if this is just an online thing,

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>because I think there's a lot of prestige around being

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.119
<v Speaker 1>featured in Vogue, particularly weddings. I mean, we've seen Tammy

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Hembro m Davies podcast of Victoria Devine, but I don't

0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.479
<v Speaker 1>know if they're actually printed in the magazine. I think

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 1>when you're printed in the magazine it's a different level.

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I think these will just be online versions. I'm really

0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:25.480
<v Speaker 1>curious to how this deal actually works, because, as you said,

0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of prestige involved in being in Vogue,

0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.840
<v Speaker 1>even if it's just the online edition, and there's a

0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of influencers who will agree to be in there

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>for free, just for the exposure. In some instances, I've

0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.960
<v Speaker 1>actually heard of lesser known influencers trying to buy their

0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 1>way into Vogue, particularly when it comes to weddings. Apparently,

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.920
<v Speaker 1>if you see an influencer wedding in UK Vogue, they've

0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely paid for it. Oh okay, But in this case,

0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if Vogue agreed to sprook her fitness app

0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Kick in exchange for the exposure, or if there was

0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.960
<v Speaker 1>money exchange. It was a little bit different this time

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 1>around because with the web, normally the influencers will hold

0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:07.119
<v Speaker 1>off sharing their photos until they share them concurrently with Vogue. However,

0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Steph announced the arrival of her baby before the Vogue

0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.359
<v Speaker 1>spread went out. Well that's what made me think that

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.200
<v Speaker 1>potentially this article was just a bit of extra exposure

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 1>for Kick and for Steph Claire Smith as a brand.

0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>She wasn't getting paid. Well, I suppose Vogue did get

0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot out of it because they got a bunch

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:26.679
<v Speaker 1>of exclusive photos and Steph also wrote the article herself,

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 1>so she was writing about different parts of motherhood. It

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.360
<v Speaker 1>was clear she wrote it before actually giving birth. Oh yeah,

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was expecting a bit more from the article.

0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It was quite short, didn't really give that much away.

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Something that has sparked debate is the so called body

0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.679
<v Speaker 1>checking that people think she's been doing after birth. It

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:49.399
<v Speaker 1>is something that fitness influences like Sarah's Day and Tammy

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Hembro were also accused of. I feel like the term

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 1>body checking gets thrown around a lot, but sometimes there's

0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 1>confusion as to what it actually is. In terms of influencers,

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it's when they'll generally film themselves examining certain parts of

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 1>their body in the mirror. So when it comes to

0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.639
<v Speaker 1>a postpart and body check, they will show how their

0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 1>body looks straight after giving birth. So they focus on

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>touching their star miach or showing certain areas that have changed.

0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like on TikTok in particular, body checking

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 1>has become so normalized, not just with postpart and women,

0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.720
<v Speaker 1>but with a lot of lifestyle influencers. I mean, if

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.560
<v Speaker 1>you reflect, we'll see food influences sharing what I eat

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 1>in the day video and they flash us their stomachs

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:33.119
<v Speaker 1>or we'll see influences in the gym showing us their muscles.

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I feel like these happen a lot in fitchecks as well,

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's an excuse for a creator to show you

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 1>a number of different angles of their bodies and for

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 1>them to focus on certain parts. But it's all in

0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the guise of showing you the outfit, when in reality

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.400
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to show you how skinny they are. Yeah,

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 1>but I think we have seen the shift on TikTok

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 1>in particular with everyday women coming online and showing what

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 1>their real postpart and body looks like, and it's been

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.399
<v Speaker 1>really helpful for a lot of mums that are like,

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.040
<v Speaker 1>oh wow, I can see myself within that person, because

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 1>there was a time where a lot of influencers and

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 1>celebrities would just show how quickly they quote bounced back

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and you wouldn't see this in between things, and I

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>think that's what Steph has been trying to do well.

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>That's what can be dangerous though, is that often fitness

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>influencers can disguise this as being innocent content. So a

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, postpart and body checks are generally

0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>shared by fitness influencers who are keen to show us

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 1>their starting point after having a baby, and a lot

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 1>of the time they are trying to spook a fitness

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 1>plan afterwards, it feels very much like this is my before.

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's why they're being so open because they know

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that they're after is going to impress everyone. And that's

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the thing. It triggers a lot of women because there's

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of comparison because for those fitness influencers, they

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.240
<v Speaker 1>think that they're being super relatable by showing their stomach

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 1>after birth because for them, they're used to having a

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 1>flat stomach and abs, so a little bit of a

0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.479
<v Speaker 1>pouch for them is like, oh my goodness, this is

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 1>it extreme. But a lot of women would see that

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>image and be like, wow, I didn't even have that

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>before I gave birth. Yeah, And as you touched on earlier,

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Sophie Tammy Hembro also copped flak after showing off her

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 1>postpartum body. So after she gave birth to her daughter, Posey,

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 1>she shared a bunch of mirror selfies showing her body

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.919
<v Speaker 1>at different angles and you could see that she still

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>had abs and a very flat looking stomach. And while

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>she acknowledged that people should never compare themselves, she said

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that she wanted to motivate and inspire, and then went

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:32.360
<v Speaker 1>into detail about how she stayed as active as possible

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>before and during her pregnancy, of course, using her Tammy

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Fit app. She then prefaced that she couldn't wait to

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>get back into the fitness program once she was twelve

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>weeks postpartum, and Tammy Hembro of course got so many

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>followers to begin with on Instagram for sharing her fitness

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>journey when she was pregnant with her first son. WUK, Yeah,

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.400
<v Speaker 1>it just felt like a bit of a marketing exercise.

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>As for Steph, I think that she has been a

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 1>lot more mindful about how she's sharing about her postpartum body.

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, with her fitness empire Kick, her and a

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>team would have thought very strategically about this, and I

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:06.879
<v Speaker 1>think that's why a lot of people do have a

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 1>problem with it, because we know that she's trying to

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>promote something to us under the guise of body positivity.

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Kick the fitness app has actually got a

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a problematic background because originally it was

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>called keep It Cleaner. They have always tried to be

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 1>body positive and say it's not about diet, it's not

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 1>about before and afters. But then Steph and her co

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>founder Laura Henshaw are the faces of the program and

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>are both models who are very skinny. Yeah, but I

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>think they're trying to do better, And I actually have

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>quite liked the way that Steph has shared about her

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:39.919
<v Speaker 1>postpart and body. I know I've had a bit of

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a joke that Steph Claire Smith has poo bared it

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>through her whole pregnancy. She has had her bump out

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 1>for the whole nine months. Basically, I don't think I've

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>seen her in one outfit that doesn't reveal her bump.

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's quite interesting because she's continued that. So even

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>days after birth, she's been wearing a lot of middrift tops.

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>She's been showing off what her stomach actually realistically looks

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>like after giving birth. But there was this, it's one

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Instagram story where she was standing in front of a

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>open fire holding her baby Billy, and she had her

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>top rolled up to show her stomach, and then she

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>purposely moved from side to side so you could see

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>every angle. It felt like a body check that she

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>was trying to pass off as being incidental. That's the thing, though,

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like body checks are almost allowed if the

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 1>person's body is deemed as being relatable, which is very

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.719
<v Speaker 1>complex and quite wrong in itself as well. I've been

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>really grappling with myself as to why I have found

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>her body checks uncomfortable because she's doing all the right things.

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I normally enjoiceing people on TikTok show what their real

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>life postpart and body looks like at every angle, not

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>just what you look like with leggings up to your

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>middrift and you know you're only showing part of your stomach.

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 1>She has shown it all. I think what I'm having

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>difficulty with is the fact that I feel like something

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 1>is coming. It's being used as promotion. It might be

0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 1>being used as promotion for a positive postpartum fitness, but

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it's still being used as promotion to earn money. Maybe

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm feeling uncomfortable. She's actually received a lot

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>of praise for the way that she's been doing it

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>because she shared on TikTok a video which she entitled

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>two Days Postpartum, and in it she was wearing disposable

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>maternity underwear, and she showed again a number of different

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 1>angles of her stomach as she pulled on compression tights

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and she captured the post the female body is insane,

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>and the overwhelming feedback was that people were impressed that

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>she was showing herself basically essentially in a maternity nappy.

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>One user wrote, maternity nappies were a god send for

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 1>mums too, You're amazing. Another said love you normalizing the

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>reality of it, whilst another said good on you for

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 1>making it real. And she's been very open about how

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>her pelvic floor has struggled after giving birth, and she's

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be wearing these nappies and pads for the

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>foreseeable future. So I think people have loved that she

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>has opened up about this because normally women don't talk

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>about it. I just had a light, bold moment when

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you were talking Sophie. I think I feel uncomfortable about it.

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Is even though she's wearing an appy and she's showing

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>off her stomach. That has kind of deflated a little bit.

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 1>It's because she still looks fucking good. She's looked good

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>throughout this whole pregnancy. She looks good with a bump,

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 1>she looks good with abs, she looks good anytime. But

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean I have to defend her. I feel happy

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 1>as seeing these types of posts than the one where

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Tammy's flexing in a mirror and sucking in and contorting

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 1>to all these different angles. I think it's relatable to

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>see the deflated stomach and see that. You know, your

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>uterus takes quite a number of days, months, whatever it

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>takes week, It takes probably six to eight weeks for

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>your uterus to contract. I think the thing that I

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>do find troubling though, is that these body checks, whether

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>they're relatable or not, all they're there to do is

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>to spark comparison, and I don't think comparison is always

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 1>helpful in these situations. And the body checks are this

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>underlying part of the fitness world. You do a body check,

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you do before and after. So while Laura and Steph

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>have always said we don't do before and after, this

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>is essentially what we have been. She also feel like

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a bit of a tone like, wow, that's brave

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to share that. I just find it all very performative,

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>even though she's doing the right thing. The thing that

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel uncomfortable, though, is I feel like women

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>are damned if they do damned if they don't. For Steph,

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>she shares a lot about her life, And I think

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>if she suddenly disappeared from her TikTok and her Instagram

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and only appeared when she was back to how she was,

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>we'd also criticize her for it. But I think people

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>would be like, oh, she's taken time off to be

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>with her baby. Like the fact that we've had this

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>influx of content, I wasn't really expecting it. And if

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>we only saw her return with her stomach looking flat

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>and her abs back, we'd be like, Gee, she's been

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>in hiding. She's only wanted to return when she's back

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>to how she was. True. I mean, I don't know

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>in this day and age, if there is a right

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>way to do it or not. In Steph's Vogue article,

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>she touched on bounce back culture, and she admitted during

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>her first pregnancy that she did feel the pressure and

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>expectation to get back to her pre baby body. She

0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>said it infuriated her that after years of rebuilding her

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>relationship with food, exercise, and body image, the postpartum period

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>rocked how she felt about herself. That was quite relatable

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>because we're always told that bounce back is a dirty word,

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>which it is, but it's really hard you know, being pregnant.

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Of course I would love to look exactly the same

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>after giving birth. In reality, that's not going to happen.

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>But is it wrong for someone to think that. I

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>think that there's a lot of these conversations that happen

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes between friends where people are like, oh

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 1>my god, I really want to feel good again and

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to feel like myself again. But then there's

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>this sort of fakery where you're not allowed to, you know,

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh no, no, no, I'll just be happy. Yeah.

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe because I've heard Steph talk about this before,

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that that's why I'm leaning towards feeling like this whole

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>body checking thing has been a little bit performative, or

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's been our exercise, or maybe it has been

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>for her own mental health to go, Okay, I'm going

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>to put this out there and share this with everyone,

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and maybe she needed the positive feedback from others.

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also the fact that she has worked

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>out quite I don't want to say sessively, but she

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>shared a lot of workout content during her pregnancy. It's

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>her job. Well again, it's her job, and she obviously

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>loves it and there's nothing wrong with working out during pregnancy.

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>It's actually so good for a lot of pregnant women

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to do so. But it's also good if you don't

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>want to work out exactly. I mean, I think I haven't. No,

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't do any workouts, and I thought maybe I would.

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I did walk in the first trimester, and somewhat into

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>the second I was doing some of the kick bump exercises,

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and I was quite enjoying it, but then just as

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I got further in, I was like, I don't think

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>I could do this anymore. I've tried to stay active

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>on walks. I found that really good, because I do

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>also think it's really terrible if you just don't do anything.

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of benefits for actually staying active. I mean,

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>each of their own people also experience pregnancy very differently.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>So you have some women who have HG and can't

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>get out of bed and can't keep any food down,

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and then you have others that really aren't affected by

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>it that much. I did like the way that Steph

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>said in the Vogue article that she thinks it's unfair

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<v Speaker 1>how women's bodies are really celebrated during pregnant, But then

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<v Speaker 1>how quickly they're scrutinized and compared once the baby has arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I think she's making that effort to

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<v Speaker 1>still have her stomach on display afterwards. Yeah. Well, she

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<v Speaker 1>did do a lot of pregnancy photo shoots as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe she will be doing more postpartum photoshop. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have liked this, Kate, though, because I did

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<v Speaker 1>notice in the Vogue article she did plug that if

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<v Speaker 1>she's feeling better in six weeks, she would do her

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<v Speaker 1>kick Bump post natal program. And of course I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>she'd be taking us along for the ride now away

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<v Speaker 1>from the body checking. A lot of people were interested

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<v Speaker 1>to see whether Steph would show her newborn's face, because

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<v Speaker 1>she did show her first son, Harvey's face, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was a newborn. She's only recently stopped showing him online,

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<v Speaker 1>and she and Josh basically explained that they felt comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>to show Harvey's face because newborn's and babies they changed

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<v Speaker 1>so much until upwards of about three or four. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so people weren't sure if she was going to show

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's face or not, and I think she was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit unsure as well. Yeah, well, it turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>they have been trying to hide her face. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of photos of Billy from different angles,

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<v Speaker 1>but none of her face front on. Oh there was

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<v Speaker 1>a front on one, but she put a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of text over it, so you couldn't really see. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been some questions as to whether Billy looks like Harvey,

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<v Speaker 1>and Steph said there are some similarities. But she did

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<v Speaker 1>want to say that Billy is definitely a Smith. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she definitely has Smith jeans. Yeah. She said that those

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<v Speaker 1>Smith jeans were strong. This is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous child. I did notice that Harvey had a little

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<v Speaker 1>white squiggle over his face in the Vogue spread. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that they might have covered his face in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more of a sophisticated way, pixelated or like

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<v Speaker 1>he's on bloody witness protection or something. Yeah, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just not use that photo or It's a tough one

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<v Speaker 1>because in the future, I'm sure they don't want their

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<v Speaker 1>whole photo albums full of pictures of their son's face

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<v Speaker 1>concealed in a weird way. Those are special moments. Just

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<v Speaker 1>don't give it to Vogue to share. Well, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to wrap things. Up today. Thank you again

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