1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: slams her Son's school over holiday debacle and Steph Claire 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Smith's Baby Bonanza. But first, m Davies and Lucy Jackson 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: have shocked their followers by revealing how many times they've 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: ordered Uber eats. Now, this is all part of a 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: TikTok trend called the uber Eats Challenge, and it is 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: all over my fore page at the moment. But for 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: those who haven't seen it, there's a setting in the 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: uber Eats app that tells you how many times you've ordered. 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: I want to know is this a new feature that 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: uber Eats is trying to promote or has someone just 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: stumbled across it, because either way it seems like good 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: pr for uber Eats. Well, it's great pr because Nicki 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: and Lucy ended up sharing this video that's had over 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: three hundred and ten thousand views and in it they 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: expose their order numbers. So to make it more entertaining, 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: they guessed their numbers before they were revealed, so Nicki 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: gets two hundred and she was pretty close. She ordered 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty seven times. As for Lucy, she 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: shocked everyone by revealing she had ordered uber eats five 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five times. I want to know, is 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: this over the past year or is this the lifetime 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: of them having the app? Well, when I originally saw it, 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: I thought it was over a year, and I was like, 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, has she been ordering uber eats twice 28 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: a day? However, the figure is a summary of the 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: lifetime of the app, so thank god. Yeah, but even so, 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: that is a lot of orders. Uber Eats even commented 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: on the video, writing, doll, that's outrageous. The fact that 32 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: uber eats is commenting and getting in on this makes 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: me feel like it's part of an over arching marketing strategy. See, 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: I actually don't think that's the case, because a lot 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: of the conversations around it is that people are ashamed 36 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: about how many times you're ordering from the app and 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: that they need to cut back. Yeah, I suppose. It 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: was quite interesting because m Davies also got in on 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: the action, so she filmed a video with Nicki and 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: M guessed that she had ordered Uber eats nine hundred 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: and fifty times, and even though that sounds like an 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: outrageous number, she had actually underestimated just how many times 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: she'd ordered. Let's have a listen to what she said. 44 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be bad. I'm scard. 45 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: You have ordered uber eat one two hundred and seventy 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: seven times. 47 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: That's why my financial advice is like stun what. 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: Stretch? 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: I love how Nikky audibly gore so. I mean, I 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: thought Lucy's was ridiculous, and then I heard m Davies. 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: Isn't this just typical of influences though they're the ones 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: who have disposable income, even though they've probably got more 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: time than any of us to cook, They're like, nah, 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'll order it. I mean, I love the 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 1: concept of Uber Eats and the ease of just being 56 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: able to get something delivered. But I haven't looked at 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: what my number is. I would think that it's probably 58 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: a handful of times I've actually ordered from there because 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to pay for delivery, and I also 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: find that when it's delivered it's often very cold. See 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: I use it more. I actually did look at my number, 62 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: and I have ordered it over the eight years I've 63 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: had it eleven times. I know that's not a huge amount, 64 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: that's not very many. But my husband also uses his 65 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: app and he is the one that usually orders our takeaway, 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: and he had two hundred times. See, I would rather 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: just jump in my car, go down the road and 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: make sure that the food is hot. Like, I think 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: it takes a particularly lazy person to want to order 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: on there that many times. Yeah, I think it's a 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: pretty brave thing to do to expose your number, particularly 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: if you're m Davies or Lucy Jackson, because I think 73 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: it does say a lot about you as a person. 74 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: Because when I heard their numbers, I immediately started making 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: assumptions about their financial situation. You know, if the number 76 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: is really high, You're like, oh, they must be earning 77 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: so much money they don't even have to think about 78 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: spending money or takeaway. And I also began to question 79 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: their priorities and whether they should just be making their 80 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: food at home. I think there's also a lazy connotation 81 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: to it, But then there's all that's a lot of 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: people that have been wearing it as a badge of honor. 83 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Do you not really irritates me when I'm down at 84 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: a takeaway store, I just say Zambreros, for instance, and 85 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: I have to wait for them to make the Uber 86 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Eats people's orders, and I'm like, I'm fucking in the store. 87 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: I've bothered to get myself out on a winter night 88 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: stand in the store order, and I'm having to wait 89 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: for these people at home who are being lazy. Oh 90 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: it pisses me off too. It has really screwed over 91 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: how quick takeaway places are in terms of m davies. 92 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: She ended up sharing a follow up video to explain 93 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: herself a little bit further. This is what she said. 94 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: I think I generally need to be put in rehab 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 3: for Uber Eats. I have been looking at everyone else's 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: on TikTok, and the worst part is Joel pretty much 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: cooks for me every night on the barbecue. So I 98 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: really don't have any excuse apart from the fact that 99 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: I'm a mum. I reckon like, yeah, yeah, it's a 100 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: serious problem, man, it's probably your house to close it. 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Now, and went on to say that seventy percent of 102 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Uber Eats orders were from Nando's, which is something that 103 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: she could easily make it home. Now. A lot of 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: people were trying to let her off the hook and said, look, 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: you're a mum. Nikki Westcott waged in though and said 106 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: ha ha. Joel said, you'd order a packet of chips 107 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: from the survey if the mood's striped and coffees most 108 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: days to be fair. Someone else pointed out that m 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: Davies has had the app for around eight years, but 110 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: it's only been a mum for less than ones. Well, 111 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: it's quite interesting because when you crunch the numbers, so 112 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: she's been on the app, as you say, for around 113 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: eight years, that works out to one hundred and seventy 114 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: orders a year. So she is ordering from uber Eats 115 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: roughly two to three times a week. That is a lot. 116 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean, even her financial advisor has got involved and 117 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: said that she needs to stop ordering from uber Eats. 118 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: Honestly, I wasn't even going to bring this back up 119 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: because I'm just like ugh, erasing it from my mind, 120 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: and I also know that it's going. 121 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: To ruffle Oh thank you a few people's feathers. Sarah's 122 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: Day has slammed her son Fox School after they denied 123 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: him leave to attend a family trip to Fiji. Despite 124 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: the decision from the school, the self proclaimed holistic health. 125 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: Princess still pulled the six year old out of class 126 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: for the vacation, So can you tell us more well. 127 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Sarah and her family have been in Fiji celebrating her 128 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: mum's sixtieth and also her sister's thirtieth, and it's actually 129 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: the first time that Sarah has been overseas with her 130 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: parents and sisters, but it is one of many of 131 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: her trips with her husband and kids over the past 132 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: few years. They feel like they've been to Fiji quite 133 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: a few times in the last five years and Hawaii, 134 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Hawaii is one of their favorite places to go to. 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: And whilst over the past week we've seen a lot 136 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: of happy snaps and vision of the extended family having 137 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: the time of their lives on this holiday, we have 138 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: since discovered that the trip got off to a pretty 139 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: sour note because while Sarah and her family were at 140 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: the airport waiting to board their flight, Sarah got an 141 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: email from her son, Fox's school, saying that his leave 142 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: had not been approved and it was important for him 143 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: to be at school learning. Now. Fox turned six in 144 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: March and that's actually the same month he started school. 145 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: Because it's compulsory and new South Wales for a child 146 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: to start school by the time they're six years old, However, 147 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: it's normal for them to actually start when they're five 148 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, most parents try and get their kids 149 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: into school as early as they can and start that education. 150 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: But I mean, I wonder if it's due to flexibility. 151 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: She wanted him at home more to lead more of 152 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: a flexible lifestyle with him. I'm really not sure. I 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: suppose it's her personal decision. But despite knowing that this 154 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: news about the school would ruffle feathers, she decided to 155 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: share this update with her one point two million followers anyway. 156 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: She jumped on her Instagram stories while she was walking 157 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: on a beach in Fiji and explained that as it's 158 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: her son's first year of school, she was unaware of 159 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: the school's policy for leave. Now. She prefaced that Fox 160 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: didn't go to a special school AKA, she wanted everyone 161 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: to know that he's at a public school and not 162 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: a fancy private school, and she was quite surprised by 163 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: the depth of the application process. Now. The school's rules 164 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: stated that she had to apply for leave because her 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: son was going to be away for longer than three days. 166 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: They were actually spending a week in Fiji. Let's have 167 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: a listen to some of what Sarah said. 168 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: So I basically feel in this like extended le form. 169 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: I talked to the receptionist girl and she's like, yeah, 170 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: all good. You just have to send us now, like proof. 171 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: Of your flights. And I was like, okay, cool. So 172 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: I sent him proof of my flights. 173 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: They responded by an email saying, sweet, We've got everything 174 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: we need for this like getaway or whatever. And I said, obviously, 175 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: like this is his Grandma's sixtieth trip, it's really important. 176 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: Where he's only missing five days of school anyway, So 177 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: day one of the trip, I get an email back 178 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: like we're at the airport and basically it says that 179 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 2: Foxes leave hasn't been approved. Yeah, anyway, I just I 180 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: could go on and on about it, and I think, like, 181 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: if you know, if you're a mom like me, like 182 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: you get it. Yes, I want him to learn how 183 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: to read and write and like be. 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: In the classroom and everything. 185 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: But I'm not, like I haven't pulled him out of 186 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: school for like a month, and it's not like he's 187 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: not anyway whatever whatever. But I responded and I was like, Okay, 188 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: we'll we're at the airport, like, thanks, I guess. 189 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: Anyway, whatever, whatever, well school. The fact that she referred 190 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 1: to the receptionist as that receptionist girl like that just 191 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: shows the amount of respect that was going on. It 192 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: was quite patronizing. It's clear that she knew that this 193 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: was going to be a controversial take, because she prefaced 194 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: the post by saying that she was likely going to 195 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: ruffle some feathers. I just am at a loss as 196 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: to why you would take a potshot at your child's school. 197 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: It's easily something that she could have just kept private. 198 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question in my mind that this 199 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: is getting back to the school, either through the parents 200 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: or the staff who may follow her. Yeah, and it 201 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: seems like she maybe wanted it to get back there, 202 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: because why else would you put this out. She was 203 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: clearly pissed off about it, and I mean, you can 204 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: already see where the school stands on this. There's going 205 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: to be a bit of animosity when she goes back 206 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: into the classroom because they've made the decision that it's 207 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: in his best intro that he be at school learning. 208 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Yet she's just been like, no, he's going to miss 209 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: the whole week. I mean, that's going to put him behind. 210 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, as someone whose parents are both teachers, maybe 211 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: I look at this from a different perspective, but I 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: feel for the teacher in this situation because not only 213 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: is the teacher now going to have to invest more 214 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: time in Fox, they're gonna have to take time away 215 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: from the other kids in the class to make sure 216 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: that he is then up to speed with what's going on, 217 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: and that would not only be stressful for the teacher 218 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: in the class, but also Fox. I'm interested to know 219 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: what the ramifications are for ignoring the school, because I personally, 220 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know that a school could actually say no, 221 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: you can't take your kid on a holiday. I understand 222 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: why they have that process in place, though, because it's 223 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: very disruptive for the child and also the class. As 224 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: you were saying, yeah, I was talking about it to 225 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: my husband, his dad is also a teacher, and we 226 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: were like, I'd never really heard about this happening when 227 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: we were kids, And it's because at school you get 228 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: so many holidays, like every ten weeks, you then get 229 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: two weeks of holidays. At the end of the year 230 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: get five weeks of holidays. Most everyday. People also have 231 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: to lodge holidays with their own work, so generally you 232 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: try and fit around those school holiday times, even though 233 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: it can be more expensive to go away. But I 234 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: suppose from our family's perspective too, with our parents being teachers, 235 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: we went on holidays because they had the break then, 236 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: So it is more difficult for parents who aren't teachers 237 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: to align their holidays with the school holidays. Yeah, and 238 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: that's why there's generally more planning. In this instance, it 239 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: felt like a bit of a last minute decision. It 240 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: seemed like this form was lodged very late, which is 241 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: why the school only got back to her when they 242 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: were at the airport. It also really demonstrates the different 243 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: lifestyle the influencers lead. I mean, if you look at Sarah, 244 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: she is used to locking in a trip whenever she 245 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: pleases due to the flexibility of her working for herself, 246 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: and she's also got a disposable income. I mean, we 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: saw it recently with Molly May. She decided to book 248 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: a family trip with Tommy and Bambi to Dubai and 249 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: they booked it in a day before they left. So 250 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: they don't have the confines of the real world like us. 251 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Like they can just book whenever they want. So it's 252 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of interesting when people then send their kids to 253 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: school and they have to abide by someone else's rules 254 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: that they have a problem with it. Yeah, it makes 255 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: me wonder whether she held back in rolling Fox into 256 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: school for this very reason that she didn't want to 257 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: have to abide by their rules. You know what I 258 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: also found confusing. She seemed to be pleading a lot 259 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: of ignorance in this case about the school's policies. But 260 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: many people who have listened to Our Sarah's Day Deep 261 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Dive episode will know that she actually studied to become 262 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: a primary school teacher before her YouTube took off. I 263 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: think she only had a semester or so to go, 264 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: but she was doing pracks within school, so surely she 265 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: would have some understanding of the policies in place for leave. 266 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: I also thought maybe she would have a different stance 267 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: on the importance of education as well, all some respect 268 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: for teachers. I have seen some people say, oh, well, 269 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: he's probably learning more on this trip than he would 270 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: be back at school, because obviously people learn about different 271 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: cultures and through experiences. What do you think about that theory? Well, 272 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: I think that is a pretty good point, But he 273 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: has been to Fiji fairly recently, I think maybe within 274 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: the last year to six months, so I'm not sure 275 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: how much more beneficial it would be going again. But also, 276 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: when you go to a place like Fiji, typically you 277 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: are stuck in a resort. It was a tourist bubble, 278 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: and I understand that obviously they have some traditional dances 279 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: that come into the resort and those sort of things, 280 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: but I'd hardly say it's the same as going to Europe, 281 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: where you're going to be going on different excursions and 282 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: learning about history and that sort of thing. I think 283 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: age also comes into it as well, with Fox being 284 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: six and being a little bit delayed at primary school. 285 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: The hope probably was from his teachers that he would 286 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: do a couple of terms of reception and then go 287 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: into year one. However, this holiday may have delayed that 288 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: process a little bit. Also think that it sends a 289 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: bad message to him that you can just leave school 290 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: whenever you want to on a holiday. And I mean 291 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: reception in year one. They're really fundamental years where you 292 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: are learning the absolute basics that you need to then 293 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: progress into the next years. I just don't understand why 294 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: she's publicly put it out there that the school isn't 295 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: happy with her decision, as well the fact that she's 296 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: been in the business for ten years, she is savvy 297 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: enough to know that her critics and even the media, 298 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: they had to create a narrative about this self important 299 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: influencer who has pulled their son out of school to 300 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: go on a lavish holiday, which is exactly what the 301 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: Daily Mail did. And I just wonder if maybe she's 302 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: so out of touch and was so mad that the 303 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: school scolded her in this way, that she just wanted 304 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: that instant affirmation from her supporters and wanted reassurance from 305 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: other mums that maybe she made the right decision. Because 306 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: she kept saying, oh, the mums will get it, I 307 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: felt it saying I don't actually think they will. I 308 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: think she's probably just surrounded by yes people and this 309 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: is the first time in a long time someone has 310 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: said no to her. Yeah. I also wonder if she's 311 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: trying to get a bit of engagement. She hasn't created 312 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: much controversy for a while now, and that is reflected 313 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: in her viewcount. I mean, obviously she's still getting okay views, 314 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: but it's nowhere near to the engagement she used to get. 315 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: So I realized I kind of shot myself in the 316 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: foot with the whole wait count down to the baby coming, 317 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: because now it's making the anticipation. 318 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: Of so Steph gles Smith and her husband Josh Miller 319 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: announced the arrival of their baby daughter on Friday night. 320 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: The finness influencer and models struck up a deal with 321 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Vogue magazine, releasing exclusive photos from her birthing suite. Sophie, 322 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: We've been on baby watch for a while now. Yeah, 323 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: this feels like one of the longest pregnancies, and I 324 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: don't know if it's because I've been experiencing it alongside 325 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Steph clear Smith in a parasocial way, because I think 326 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: that you have this special connection with influencers when you're 327 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: pregnant around the same time as them. She's only a 328 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: few weeks ahead of me, and I keep looking at 329 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: her as to what I'm expecting next. That influencer for 330 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: me was jar Da Tuni, So we've spoken about it recently, 331 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: but when she's gone for round two, I was like, honey, 332 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm not up to that yet. I think there was 333 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: also more anticipation around this pregnancy because Steph les Smith 334 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: and her husband. They decided to keep the gender a secret. 335 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: That made it really exciting for us playing at home, 336 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: and you can tell Steph was absolutely over the moon 337 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: when she found out that she had a little girl. Yeah, well, 338 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: it looked like she had some sort of professional photographer 339 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: in the birthing suite, because she shared this carousel of 340 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: very beautiful black and white photos of the moment she 341 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: discovered the gender. And in one of the photos she 342 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: is literally screaming in excitement, and then she burst into tears. 343 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: So she shared these on social media and wrote, one 344 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: of the most euphoric feelings in the world. These snaps 345 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: are raw moments of us finding out our little one's gender. 346 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: And my gosh, the surprise was so so special. It 347 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: was you in there all along the way. You came 348 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: out so calm, so alert, just looking straight into my eyes. 349 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: I fell in love instantly, So grateful to have another 350 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: little being to love like this now. She dubbed these 351 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: photos as their gender reveal. Is this going to be 352 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: a new thing. We've got cakes, We've got the glitter guns. 353 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: Is this now going to be a thing where people 354 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: who decide to have the surprise have a professional photographer 355 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: in there to capture the moments that the parents discover 356 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the gender. Well, maybe just for influencers. I mean it 357 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: did get me thinking because I found out the gender 358 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: of my baby, and if I were to have a 359 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: second one, seeing this photo, I was like, maybe it 360 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: would be nice to find out in the I think 361 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: that's something special about not finding out the second time, 362 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: because there can be a bit of gender disappointment if 363 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: you're really gunning for a particular gender. And then I 364 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: think in the moment, obviously, birth is so beautiful and 365 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: exciting that whatever you get you're gonna be happy with. 366 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: If I was to have another boy, I'd be like, oh, 367 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: that's amazing, brothers, because I do think that there is 368 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: a special connection that same sex siblings have. And then 369 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: if it was a girl, I'd be so excited because 370 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I'd have one of each. So I think when it 371 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: gets to the point where you'd be excited about both, 372 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: that's when maybe you're like, Okay, we'll have it as 373 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: a surprise. Yeah, we got to talk about the name. 374 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: So they have called their baby girl Billy Claire Miller, 375 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: and I thought it was pretty iconic that they put 376 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: the Claire in there. Yeah, I like that nod to 377 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: her name because she's become known as Steph cles Smith. 378 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: Claire is obviously her middle name. It's a brand, isn't it. Yeah, 379 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: not a lot of us go by our full name 380 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: with our middle name. I think it was an instrum 381 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: thing where Steph Smith would have been taken. Olivia Rogers 382 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: does it as well. She a lot of people know 383 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: her as Olivia Molly Rogers. I don't know if it 384 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: was just Instagram. I mean, I think it's the fact 385 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: that Steph Smith sounds pretty shit like it doesn't It 386 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: sounds pretty plain, Steph Clay Smith. That sounds good exactly. 387 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: You've got to throw the middle name in there. I 388 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: am just predicting that we're going to have an onslaught 389 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: of baby girls called Billy. Well, it's been a popular 390 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: name for a while, like Bet Judd's daughter is called 391 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: Billy and she's about eight years old. Actually, I checked 392 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: the charts and it ranks at number sixty three in Australia, 393 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: so it's not as popular as what I thought it was. 394 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: I think it was a while ago, so maybe she's 395 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: bringing it back. Well, Steph said that when it came 396 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: to girls' names, they had been set on Billy for 397 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: quite a while, but they were struggling to come up 398 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: with boys' names. She said they had around three boys' 399 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: names that they liked, but they weren't in love with 400 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: any of them, so it was quite a relief that 401 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: they had a girl. It's hard when you already have 402 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: a boy and you've picked your favorite name, So it 403 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: does seem like, oh, I don't really know. When asked 404 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: why she gave her daughter the same middle name, Steph 405 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: explained that they all shared Josh's family name and she 406 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: loves it. It allows her to have this other identity 407 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: outside of her work as Steph Claire Smith. But she 408 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: still wanted her daughter to have a connection to her 409 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: Smith family name, and as soon as she said Billy Claire, 410 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: she said the decision was done. It just flowed and 411 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: sounded really lovely. See when the name was first revealed, 412 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: I was like, doesn't Josh have a sister called Billy. 413 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: His sister is actually called Bailey, So they've got a 414 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: Bailey Miller and now a Billy Miller. I feel like 415 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: they're different enough, though, but there's a lot of eyes 416 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: and elks going on, Like it's a very matchy matchy name, 417 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: but when you stick Claire in there, it kind of 418 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Claire's got Elleen and I in as well. 419 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: Maybe Billy will have to just been known as Billy 420 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: Claire the whole time. Yeah, I actually think she probably 421 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: will be. It probably shouldn't have been surprising to me 422 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: that there was this professional photographer in the birthing suite 423 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: because Steph had lined up an exclusive deal with Vogue magazine, 424 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: which I think surprised some people because we've seen Vogue 425 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: covering a lot of influencer's weddings. I haven't seen them 426 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: covering influencers berths. I'm wondering if will get printed in 427 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: the monthly edition or if this is just an online thing, 428 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of prestige around being 429 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: featured in Vogue, particularly weddings. I mean, we've seen Tammy 430 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: Hembro m Davies podcast of Victoria Devine, but I don't 431 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: know if they're actually printed in the magazine. I think 432 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: when you're printed in the magazine it's a different level. 433 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: I think these will just be online versions. I'm really 434 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: curious to how this deal actually works, because, as you said, 435 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of prestige involved in being in Vogue, 436 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: even if it's just the online edition, and there's a 437 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: lot of influencers who will agree to be in there 438 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: for free, just for the exposure. In some instances, I've 439 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: actually heard of lesser known influencers trying to buy their 440 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: way into Vogue, particularly when it comes to weddings. Apparently, 441 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: if you see an influencer wedding in UK Vogue, they've 442 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: definitely paid for it. Oh okay, But in this case, 443 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if Vogue agreed to sprook her fitness app 444 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: Kick in exchange for the exposure, or if there was 445 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: money exchange. It was a little bit different this time 446 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: around because with the web, normally the influencers will hold 447 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: off sharing their photos until they share them concurrently with Vogue. However, 448 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: Steph announced the arrival of her baby before the Vogue 449 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: spread went out. Well that's what made me think that 450 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: potentially this article was just a bit of extra exposure 451 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: for Kick and for Steph Claire Smith as a brand. 452 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: She wasn't getting paid. Well, I suppose Vogue did get 453 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: a lot out of it because they got a bunch 454 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: of exclusive photos and Steph also wrote the article herself, 455 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: so she was writing about different parts of motherhood. It 456 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: was clear she wrote it before actually giving birth. Oh yeah, 457 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean I was expecting a bit more from the article. 458 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: It was quite short, didn't really give that much away. 459 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Something that has sparked debate is the so called body 460 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: checking that people think she's been doing after birth. It 461 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: is something that fitness influences like Sarah's Day and Tammy 462 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: Hembro were also accused of. I feel like the term 463 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: body checking gets thrown around a lot, but sometimes there's 464 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: confusion as to what it actually is. In terms of influencers, 465 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: it's when they'll generally film themselves examining certain parts of 466 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: their body in the mirror. So when it comes to 467 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: a postpart and body check, they will show how their 468 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: body looks straight after giving birth. So they focus on 469 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: touching their star miach or showing certain areas that have changed. 470 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: And I feel like on TikTok in particular, body checking 471 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: has become so normalized, not just with postpart and women, 472 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: but with a lot of lifestyle influencers. I mean, if 473 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: you reflect, we'll see food influences sharing what I eat 474 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: in the day video and they flash us their stomachs 475 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: or we'll see influences in the gym showing us their muscles. 476 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: I feel like these happen a lot in fitchecks as well, 477 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: because it's an excuse for a creator to show you 478 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: a number of different angles of their bodies and for 479 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: them to focus on certain parts. But it's all in 480 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: the guise of showing you the outfit, when in reality 481 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: they're trying to show you how skinny they are. Yeah, 482 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: but I think we have seen the shift on TikTok 483 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: in particular with everyday women coming online and showing what 484 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: their real postpart and body looks like, and it's been 485 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: really helpful for a lot of mums that are like, 486 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: oh wow, I can see myself within that person, because 487 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: there was a time where a lot of influencers and 488 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: celebrities would just show how quickly they quote bounced back 489 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't see this in between things, and I 490 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: think that's what Steph has been trying to do well. 491 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: That's what can be dangerous though, is that often fitness 492 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: influencers can disguise this as being innocent content. So a 493 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: lot of the time, postpart and body checks are generally 494 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: shared by fitness influencers who are keen to show us 495 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: their starting point after having a baby, and a lot 496 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: of the time they are trying to spook a fitness 497 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: plan afterwards, it feels very much like this is my before. 498 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: And that's why they're being so open because they know 499 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: that they're after is going to impress everyone. And that's 500 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: the thing. It triggers a lot of women because there's 501 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot of comparison because for those fitness influencers, they 502 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: think that they're being super relatable by showing their stomach 503 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: after birth because for them, they're used to having a 504 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: flat stomach and abs, so a little bit of a 505 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: pouch for them is like, oh my goodness, this is 506 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: it extreme. But a lot of women would see that 507 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: image and be like, wow, I didn't even have that 508 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: before I gave birth. Yeah, And as you touched on earlier, 509 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: Sophie Tammy Hembro also copped flak after showing off her 510 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: postpartum body. So after she gave birth to her daughter, Posey, 511 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: she shared a bunch of mirror selfies showing her body 512 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: at different angles and you could see that she still 513 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: had abs and a very flat looking stomach. And while 514 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: she acknowledged that people should never compare themselves, she said 515 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: that she wanted to motivate and inspire, and then went 516 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: into detail about how she stayed as active as possible 517 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: before and during her pregnancy, of course, using her Tammy 518 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: Fit app. She then prefaced that she couldn't wait to 519 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: get back into the fitness program once she was twelve 520 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: weeks postpartum, and Tammy Hembro of course got so many 521 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: followers to begin with on Instagram for sharing her fitness 522 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: journey when she was pregnant with her first son. WUK, Yeah, 523 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: it just felt like a bit of a marketing exercise. 524 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: As for Steph, I think that she has been a 525 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: lot more mindful about how she's sharing about her postpartum body. 526 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean, with her fitness empire Kick, her and a 527 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: team would have thought very strategically about this, and I 528 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of people do have a 529 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: problem with it, because we know that she's trying to 530 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: promote something to us under the guise of body positivity. 531 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: I mean, Kick the fitness app has actually got a 532 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: little bit of a problematic background because originally it was 533 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: called keep It Cleaner. They have always tried to be 534 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: body positive and say it's not about diet, it's not 535 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: about before and afters. But then Steph and her co 536 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: founder Laura Henshaw are the faces of the program and 537 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: are both models who are very skinny. Yeah, but I 538 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: think they're trying to do better, And I actually have 539 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: quite liked the way that Steph has shared about her 540 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: postpart and body. I know I've had a bit of 541 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: a joke that Steph Claire Smith has poo bared it 542 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: through her whole pregnancy. She has had her bump out 543 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: for the whole nine months. Basically, I don't think I've 544 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: seen her in one outfit that doesn't reveal her bump. 545 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: And it's quite interesting because she's continued that. So even 546 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: days after birth, she's been wearing a lot of middrift tops. 547 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: She's been showing off what her stomach actually realistically looks 548 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: like after giving birth. But there was this, it's one 549 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: Instagram story where she was standing in front of a 550 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: open fire holding her baby Billy, and she had her 551 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: top rolled up to show her stomach, and then she 552 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: purposely moved from side to side so you could see 553 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: every angle. It felt like a body check that she 554 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: was trying to pass off as being incidental. That's the thing, though, 555 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: I feel like body checks are almost allowed if the 556 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: person's body is deemed as being relatable, which is very 557 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: complex and quite wrong in itself as well. I've been 558 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: really grappling with myself as to why I have found 559 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: her body checks uncomfortable because she's doing all the right things. 560 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: I normally enjoiceing people on TikTok show what their real 561 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: life postpart and body looks like at every angle, not 562 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: just what you look like with leggings up to your 563 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: middrift and you know you're only showing part of your stomach. 564 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: She has shown it all. I think what I'm having 565 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: difficulty with is the fact that I feel like something 566 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: is coming. It's being used as promotion. It might be 567 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: being used as promotion for a positive postpartum fitness, but 568 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: it's still being used as promotion to earn money. Maybe 569 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: that's why I'm feeling uncomfortable. She's actually received a lot 570 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: of praise for the way that she's been doing it 571 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: because she shared on TikTok a video which she entitled 572 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: two Days Postpartum, and in it she was wearing disposable 573 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: maternity underwear, and she showed again a number of different 574 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: angles of her stomach as she pulled on compression tights 575 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: and she captured the post the female body is insane, 576 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: and the overwhelming feedback was that people were impressed that 577 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: she was showing herself basically essentially in a maternity nappy. 578 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: One user wrote, maternity nappies were a god send for 579 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: mums too, You're amazing. Another said love you normalizing the 580 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: reality of it, whilst another said good on you for 581 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: making it real. And she's been very open about how 582 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: her pelvic floor has struggled after giving birth, and she's 583 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: going to be wearing these nappies and pads for the 584 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: foreseeable future. So I think people have loved that she 585 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: has opened up about this because normally women don't talk 586 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: about it. I just had a light, bold moment when 587 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: you were talking Sophie. I think I feel uncomfortable about it. 588 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: Is even though she's wearing an appy and she's showing 589 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: off her stomach. That has kind of deflated a little bit. 590 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: It's because she still looks fucking good. She's looked good 591 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: throughout this whole pregnancy. She looks good with a bump, 592 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: she looks good with abs, she looks good anytime. But 593 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: I mean I have to defend her. I feel happy 594 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: as seeing these types of posts than the one where 595 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Tammy's flexing in a mirror and sucking in and contorting 596 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: to all these different angles. I think it's relatable to 597 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: see the deflated stomach and see that. You know, your 598 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: uterus takes quite a number of days, months, whatever it 599 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: takes week, It takes probably six to eight weeks for 600 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: your uterus to contract. I think the thing that I 601 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: do find troubling though, is that these body checks, whether 602 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: they're relatable or not, all they're there to do is 603 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: to spark comparison, and I don't think comparison is always 604 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: helpful in these situations. And the body checks are this 605 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: underlying part of the fitness world. You do a body check, 606 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: you do before and after. So while Laura and Steph 607 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: have always said we don't do before and after, this 608 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: is essentially what we have been. She also feel like 609 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: there's a bit of a tone like, wow, that's brave 610 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: to share that. I just find it all very performative, 611 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: even though she's doing the right thing. The thing that 612 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: makes me feel uncomfortable, though, is I feel like women 613 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: are damned if they do damned if they don't. For Steph, 614 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: she shares a lot about her life, And I think 615 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: if she suddenly disappeared from her TikTok and her Instagram 616 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: and only appeared when she was back to how she was, 617 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: we'd also criticize her for it. But I think people 618 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: would be like, oh, she's taken time off to be 619 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: with her baby. Like the fact that we've had this 620 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: influx of content, I wasn't really expecting it. And if 621 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: we only saw her return with her stomach looking flat 622 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: and her abs back, we'd be like, Gee, she's been 623 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: in hiding. She's only wanted to return when she's back 624 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: to how she was. True. I mean, I don't know 625 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: in this day and age, if there is a right 626 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: way to do it or not. In Steph's Vogue article, 627 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: she touched on bounce back culture, and she admitted during 628 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: her first pregnancy that she did feel the pressure and 629 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: expectation to get back to her pre baby body. She 630 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: said it infuriated her that after years of rebuilding her 631 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: relationship with food, exercise, and body image, the postpartum period 632 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: rocked how she felt about herself. That was quite relatable 633 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: because we're always told that bounce back is a dirty word, 634 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: which it is, but it's really hard you know, being pregnant. 635 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: Of course I would love to look exactly the same 636 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: after giving birth. In reality, that's not going to happen. 637 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: But is it wrong for someone to think that. I 638 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of these conversations that happen 639 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: behind the scenes between friends where people are like, oh 640 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: my god, I really want to feel good again and 641 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: I want to feel like myself again. But then there's 642 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: this sort of fakery where you're not allowed to, you know, 643 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, no, no, I'll just be happy. Yeah. 644 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: I think maybe because I've heard Steph talk about this before, 645 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: that that's why I'm leaning towards feeling like this whole 646 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: body checking thing has been a little bit performative, or 647 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's been our exercise, or maybe it has been 648 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: for her own mental health to go, Okay, I'm going 649 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: to put this out there and share this with everyone, 650 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: and maybe she needed the positive feedback from others. 651 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: Well. 652 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: I think it's also the fact that she has worked 653 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: out quite I don't want to say sessively, but she 654 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: shared a lot of workout content during her pregnancy. It's 655 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: her job. Well again, it's her job, and she obviously 656 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: loves it and there's nothing wrong with working out during pregnancy. 657 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: It's actually so good for a lot of pregnant women 658 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: to do so. But it's also good if you don't 659 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: want to work out exactly. I mean, I think I haven't. No, 660 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: I didn't do any workouts, and I thought maybe I would. 661 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: I did walk in the first trimester, and somewhat into 662 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: the second I was doing some of the kick bump exercises, 663 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: and I was quite enjoying it, but then just as 664 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: I got further in, I was like, I don't think 665 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: I could do this anymore. I've tried to stay active 666 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: on walks. I found that really good, because I do 667 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: also think it's really terrible if you just don't do anything. 668 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of benefits for actually staying active. I mean, 669 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: each of their own people also experience pregnancy very differently. 670 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: So you have some women who have HG and can't 671 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: get out of bed and can't keep any food down, 672 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: and then you have others that really aren't affected by 673 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: it that much. I did like the way that Steph 674 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: said in the Vogue article that she thinks it's unfair 675 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: how women's bodies are really celebrated during pregnant, But then 676 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: how quickly they're scrutinized and compared once the baby has arrived, 677 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: which is why I think she's making that effort to 678 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: still have her stomach on display afterwards. Yeah. Well, she 679 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: did do a lot of pregnancy photo shoots as well, 680 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: so maybe she will be doing more postpartum photoshop. Yeah. Well, 681 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have liked this, Kate, though, because I did 682 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: notice in the Vogue article she did plug that if 683 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: she's feeling better in six weeks, she would do her 684 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: kick Bump post natal program. And of course I'm sure 685 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: she'd be taking us along for the ride now away 686 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: from the body checking. A lot of people were interested 687 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: to see whether Steph would show her newborn's face, because 688 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: she did show her first son, Harvey's face, when he 689 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: was a newborn. She's only recently stopped showing him online, 690 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: and she and Josh basically explained that they felt comfortable 691 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: to show Harvey's face because newborn's and babies they changed 692 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: so much until upwards of about three or four. Yeah, 693 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: so people weren't sure if she was going to show 694 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Billy's face or not, and I think she was a 695 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: bit unsure as well. Yeah, well, it turns out that 696 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: they have been trying to hide her face. So there's 697 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: been a lot of photos of Billy from different angles, 698 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: but none of her face front on. Oh there was 699 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: a front on one, but she put a whole bunch 700 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: of text over it, so you couldn't really see. There 701 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: have been some questions as to whether Billy looks like Harvey, 702 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: and Steph said there are some similarities. But she did 703 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: want to say that Billy is definitely a Smith. Yeah, 704 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: she definitely has Smith jeans. Yeah. She said that those 705 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: Smith jeans were strong. This is going to be a 706 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: gorgeous child. I did notice that Harvey had a little 707 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: white squiggle over his face in the Vogue spread. I 708 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: thought that they might have covered his face in a 709 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: little bit more of a sophisticated way, pixelated or like 710 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: he's on bloody witness protection or something. Yeah, but maybe 711 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: just not use that photo or It's a tough one 712 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: because in the future, I'm sure they don't want their 713 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: whole photo albums full of pictures of their son's face 714 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: concealed in a weird way. Those are special moments. Just 715 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: don't give it to Vogue to share. Well, that's where 716 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: we're going to wrap things. Up today. Thank you again 717 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: for listening to Outspoken. 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