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Speaker 1: Now in breaking news this morning, the Northern Territory governments

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Speaker 1: formally referred the Darwin Shiplift project to the Public Accounts

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Speaker 1: Committee for investigations, citing escalating costs and delays.

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Speaker 2: The Treasurer Bill.

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Speaker 1: Yan made the announcement this morning, stating that it was

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Speaker 1: time for territory in sticking answers on this project. Now.

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Speaker 2: If you recall, it was originally.

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Speaker 1: Announced by the former Colp government as a one hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar project that cost blew out to four hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen million dollars in twenty twenty two. The project, though,

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Speaker 1: is now facing significant additional forecasted costs in the order

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Speaker 1: of hundreds of millions of dollars. Now joining me in

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Speaker 1: the studio is the Chief Minister Leofanochiaro. Good morning to

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Speaker 1: your Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Canadians here listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Darwin ship Lift, originally scheduled for completion by

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Speaker 1: the end of last year, was meant to be a

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Speaker 1: nation building project that would have would have anchored to

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Speaker 1: our defense, maritime and manufacturing industries. Does your government still

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Speaker 1: believe it's going to do that or do you believe

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Speaker 1: it's going to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, we're really very supportive of the ship lift project.

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Speaker 4: We just you know, we lament like every other territory

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Speaker 4: and that it isn't already operational. And this should have

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Speaker 4: happened years and years ago, and it should have happened

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Speaker 4: for a fraction of the price of what we're looking

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Speaker 4: at now, and that requires investigation. This is taxpayers money

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, and some of it

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Speaker 4: is nay funding, which is a commerce loan obviously, which

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Speaker 4: still means we have to pay it back. There's no

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Speaker 4: money tree that we've found to date yet, Katie, if

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Speaker 4: your listeners that one, let us know. But it's a

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Speaker 4: really serious project. We need it to anchor our strategic

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Speaker 4: defense importance and maritime industries. But it can't come with

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Speaker 4: a blank check.

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Speaker 2: So when is it going to be complete?

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not aware of that. I think this still.

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Speaker 2: Near completetion.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: Gosh no, it's there's plenty of work happening out there,

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Speaker 4: but it's not even close to being completed. It'll be

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Speaker 4: you know, a number of years more, I suspect, and

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Speaker 4: you know, it's gone from one hundred million to five

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen million. Our understanding is, you know, there

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Speaker 4: could be hundreds and more millions to go, So it

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Speaker 4: requires a look and the Public Accounts Committee is specifically

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Speaker 4: designed for that purpose to review the public account i e.

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Speaker 4: Your taxpayers dollars being spent by government.

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Speaker 1: So what is the aim I mean, what is the

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Speaker 1: aim of referring it now? Is it to work out

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Speaker 1: exactly how much it's going to cost when it's going

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Speaker 1: to be finished. And if that is the aim, why

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Speaker 1: can't the department or whoever's actually delivering this project tell

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Speaker 1: you all those things already.

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Speaker 4: The beauty of the Public Accounts Committee is they can

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Speaker 4: have public hearings, they can call people as witnesses, they

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Speaker 4: can really get a broad scope of information, and it's

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Speaker 4: also public and that's really important to have the transparency

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Speaker 4: component around it. So we really need to see where

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Speaker 4: labor went wrong. We don't want to be making those

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Speaker 4: same mistakes in our government. And also then you know,

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Speaker 4: foreseeably how much more is this project going to cost

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Speaker 4: and why, because at the end of the day, it's

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Speaker 4: a huge amount of money to the territory when we're

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Speaker 4: already suffering under catastrophic levels stick, Can.

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Speaker 2: I just get this straight?

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Speaker 1: At the moment it's going to cost five hundred, Well

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Speaker 1: it was in twenty twenty two five hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 1: then the project's also backed by this three hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollar concession a loan from the KNAFE. Is that on

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Speaker 1: top of the five hundred and fifteen or is that

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Speaker 3: No, that's within it.

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Speaker 4: So some of it is just you know, direct money

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Speaker 4: So it's it's all money that comes out of tax dollars, Katie.

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Speaker 4: So yes, it is a worthy project, but how we

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Speaker 4: got from one hundred to in excessive five hundred is

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Speaker 4: a question worth asking and we need territories to understand

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Speaker 4: it because it's a huge amount of their money that

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Speaker 4: we've got plenty of things we could spend money on

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Speaker 1: Do we actually have as well, like anchor tenants, do

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Speaker 1: we have a situation here where defense is locked in,

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Speaker 1: for example, to use that shiplift or are we still

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Speaker 1: then going to build this thing and we're unsure whether

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Speaker 4: I don't think anything's been locked in. I believe it

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Speaker 3: But you know, at the end of the day, we.

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Speaker 4: Know we can strategically position ourselves here to be particularly

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Speaker 4: But we've got to build it to be hable to

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Speaker 4: get to that point, right, and we've been talking about

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Speaker 4: it for ten years. It's exhausting. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 4: bit like the art gallery and Alice Springs. You know,

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Speaker 1: So it gets to a point where people start to

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Speaker 1: think that it's never going to happen, and the demand

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Speaker 1: though then that diminished it. So I know that in

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll be interested to know whether.

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Speaker 1: There is actually complete or where theirs is at and

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Speaker 1: why US has taken the period of time that it.

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Speaker 4: Has exactly exactly, and that's all the type of things

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Speaker 4: about putting you know, there's competitive advantages, and what disappoints

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Speaker 4: me the most out of all of this is the

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Speaker 4: opportunity cost. Had we had a ship lift five years ago,

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Speaker 4: where would we be right now? And I know we

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Speaker 4: the past, but opportunity cost is a real cost to

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Speaker 4: the community, and that's why this investigation is important because

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Speaker 4: we don't want to make those same mistakes moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Rebuilding our economy is a huge part of our plan

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Speaker 2: All right, Chief Minister, I want to move along.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, we know that thousands of people descended

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Speaker 1: just received a pressure lease from the police. A sixteen

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Speaker 1: of a worker in Nightcliff on Friday morning. Happened about

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Speaker 2: I know myself.

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Speaker 1: I've said to you, I've witnessed a group of young

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Speaker 2: The Nightcliff shops.

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Speaker 1: There. I actually had workers at Nightcliff Shops, not at

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Speaker 1: the Woolworts one, but over you know, in the village.

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Speaker 1: Contact me last week so and Katie.

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Speaker 2: We are scared.

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Speaker 1: We are locking our doors because there's groups of teenage

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Speaker 1: just getting around with knives. What additional work is the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there has for a reason. We can't put our

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Speaker 4: a very you know, a serious increase, particularly in and

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Speaker 4: loss of life on top of that Katie's So it

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Speaker 4: is something Police have really stepped up their proactive and

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Speaker 4: visual policing and I think people would have seen that,

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Speaker 4: I think what's most concerning for me is when you

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Speaker 3: They're teenagers, fifteen sixteen.

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Speaker 1: At ten forty in the morning, Why aren't they at

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: And again it back to the problem, the historical problem

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Speaker 1: Getting to the point though, I suppose where you know,

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Speaker 1: getting to the point where they're going, Well, I want

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Speaker 1: So is there going to be you said there was

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Speaker 1: an increased police presence over the weekend. What else are

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Speaker 1: is it a situation where we've got a really high

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Speaker 1: level of public housing in the area. Is it a

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Speaker 1: situation where the moving of Saint Vinnie's into that suburb

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Speaker 1: obviously doesn't have that electrode, but I think it's bigger

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Speaker 3: Ye for sure, and they're not alone.

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Speaker 4: There are communities right across the territory who feel exactly

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Speaker 4: the same as for everywhere else. We're currently working on

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Speaker 4: a big piece of reform for public housing. How can

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Speaker 4: we evict people easier, how can we manage tenants better,

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Speaker 4: How can we ensure there are consequences and accountability for

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Speaker 4: people who have that privilege of housing who need it.

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Speaker 4: We have eight plus year wait lists, and someone destroying

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Speaker 4: who would love to have a home, Katie. So that

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Speaker 4: work is happening and will be complete in the next

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Speaker 4: couple of months. That's a part of the puzzle. Increasing

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Speaker 4: our police numbers obviously with better powers, and we've seen

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Speaker 4: all of the work we've done so far with bail again,

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Speaker 4: more to come, and I'm buoyed by the fact than

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Speaker 1: So in terms of the increased police presence, I mean

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we consider all options and people might remember that

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Speaker 4: it's much bigger and deeper than that. So tomorrow's budget

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Speaker 3: What we want is less crime.

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Speaker 1: So in in so no commitment in terms of private security.

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Speaker 4: In that area, I can't make that off the calf

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Speaker 4: so I'll take a look at it. I haven't seen

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Speaker 3: Retain all right.

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Speaker 1: know that that's not your responsibility to send those alerts out.

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Speaker 1: That is obviously the police and they would be making

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Speaker 1: how on earth will we not alluded to the fact

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Speaker 4: Look, and I know this is raised concerned for a

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Speaker 4: I don't know the operational rationale behind a lack of

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Speaker 4: I do take the point about the broader I'm a

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't the community's safety be number one priority? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly that it was happening.

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Speaker 4: I certainly take that point. And KA I have had

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Speaker 2: Got a lot to power through there.

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Speaker 1: Last week we learned a corrections officer have been severely

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll start by saying I don't don't accept the

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly right. Ensure that it doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to be assaulted with a pair of crotches

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that will be done.

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Speaker 4: And you know that gives the operators the ability to

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Speaker 1: They need to be Look, we will talk more about

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Speaker 4: But this budget really is a budget about restoring confidence

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Speaker 1: So is it going to be a budget that still

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Speaker 3: Site without questions?

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Speaker 4: So the one point three to four billion is a

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Speaker 4: significant investment in community safety, and that's just police corrections

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Speaker 3: So law and order is a key feature.

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Speaker 4: But it's a sensible budget in the sense that this

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Speaker 4: this is our chance to finish off Labour's legacy, to

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Speaker 1: Well, I know some are questioning the Treasurer's decision to volunteer.

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Speaker 1: Then at the Barough Classic, just days out from handing

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Speaker 4: I think the Opposition leader, who is part of the

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Speaker 3: Debt, really it's being a bit cheeky there.

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Speaker 4: Look, they can point fingers all they want at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, the budget was settled weeks ago

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Speaker 4: and the Treasurer has been the Chief Marshal and Patron

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Speaker 3: But you know, the community can draw their own.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it passes the pub test?

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Speaker 4: Look, I think a lot of people actually find it

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Speaker 2: Should he go next year?

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Speaker 4: We've certainly continued that work so well. Next year again

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Speaker 4: I have to add. But everything's in order and we're

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Speaker 2: All right, Chief Minister, before I let you go.

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Speaker 1: The federal election last week was a shocker for the coalition.

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Speaker 1: Just center price as no one else that she's going

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Speaker 4: No, Look, just since is an incredible advocate for the territory.

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Speaker 4: But for listeners it's really important to understand she is

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Speaker 1: There had been a bit of a change to the

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Speaker 4: be pushing him for a relationship with.

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Speaker 1: Just the opposition saying that it means that you were

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Speaker 1: on notice.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know how anyone can crunch the data

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Speaker 4: and come to that conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 4: We had thousands more first preference votes for the COLP

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Speaker 4: than Gosling. He limped over the line on preferences. Now,

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Speaker 4: a win's a win, but we take heart in the

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Speaker 4: seven percent swing and we're coming for him next time.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister lah Finocchio, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you everyone,