Speaker 1: If you grew up in some parts of Europe or
Speaker 1: travel there regularly, you may have seen that's breakfast biscuits
Speaker 1: can be relatively common as a way to start the
Speaker 1: day with a hot drink. Now, a few years ago
Speaker 1: back in Australia, we started to see breakfast biscuits in
Speaker 1: supermarkets as well, and they're marketed as a quick, easy
Speaker 1: and healthy breakfast option. So is it actually possible that
Speaker 1: a sweet biscuit could be part of a healthy start
Speaker 1: to the day. Hi, I'm Susie Burrows and I'm Lean Wood,
Speaker 1: and as two of Australia's leading dieticians who specialize in
Speaker 1: evidence based nutrition, we bring you the Nutrition Couch Product Review,
Speaker 1: a weekly chat on new products and old favors that
Speaker 1: you can find in supermarkets. Now, Leanne, I've got an
Speaker 1: interesting story about breakfast biscuits because I've mentioned before on
Speaker 1: the potty that I lived with Italians when I was
Speaker 1: at university Northern Italians, and it was absolutely normal for
Speaker 1: Nonna to start the day with a cup of tea
Speaker 1: before even her coffee, and she would buy Italian biscuit
Speaker 1: from the Italian delis. They're down in Wollongong and there's
Speaker 1: quite a lot of Italians down there, and so she
Speaker 1: will routinely go to the local sort of Italian grosser
Speaker 1: and stock up on breakfast biscuits and down several to
Speaker 1: start the day. And I certainly joined her when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen nineteen at university. Now I am generally not
Speaker 1: a fan of the ones in supermarket, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to take a close look at a couple of them
Speaker 1: a day. But I do know that Europeans routinely have
Speaker 1: this as they start of the day, and they start
Speaker 1: sort of with that, and then they'll go to a
Speaker 1: hot meal in the day. What do you think have
Speaker 1: you seen it much in your practice or with people before,
Speaker 1: sort of having piscotti or biscuits as a breakfast.
Speaker 2: Not so much piscotti, but I do I do haven't
Speaker 2: had a couple of clients who are using these more so,
Speaker 2: and particularly if I've ever had clients with young sort
Speaker 2: of young teenagers, they send them to school with these
Speaker 2: things because you know, the kids are like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: not hungry, but they're like, we should eat something or
Speaker 2: take something with you. So I do find a lot
Speaker 2: of parents use this for teenagers who don't want well
Speaker 2: aren't hungry, or maybe it's not coolty breakfast, whatever the reason,
Speaker 2: they do sort of use these, But I must be honest,
Speaker 2: I have used these while traveling a few times, just
Speaker 2: a something quick and easy to have in my handbag
Speaker 2: if I'm overseas and I'm sort of traveling around, particularly
Speaker 2: when I travel through parts of Asia, and I just
Speaker 2: think it's very traditional in Asian cuisine to have more
Speaker 2: like you know, the meat and the veggie in the
Speaker 2: noodle for breakfast. And I'm very much like a I
Speaker 2: like a light of sort of breakfast. If I'm not
Speaker 2: going to have my eggs on toast or something, I
Speaker 2: would rather prefer something like a poroje or a cereal
Speaker 2: or something. So I just can't sort of stomach meat
Speaker 2: and veggie at that sort of time in the morning,
Speaker 2: so I do if I've traveled through parts of Asia,
Speaker 2: I have sort of just stashed these in my handbag
Speaker 2: that or like a protein bar, so I have doubled
Speaker 2: with them occasionally, But I definitely wouldn't say that they're
Speaker 2: as healthy as what they are marketed, and even particularly
Speaker 2: the fiber. You know, they're marketed as these like wonderful
Speaker 2: replacements to breakfast, but I think for the right person potentially,
Speaker 2: you know, for our young athletes and people with higher requirements,
Speaker 2: I think they could be a good option. But I
Speaker 2: think for the large majority of ossies who are looking
Speaker 2: to lose weight, I mean, let's see, right, let's review them.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I've chased two just to quick look. The
Speaker 1: first one that I had to look at is the
Speaker 1: very well known brand and it was probably the first
Speaker 1: one to market here in Australia is the bel Vita
Speaker 1: Breakfast biscuits. They're in the yellow packet. Now, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure they're actually in the biscuit section. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're in the cereal section. From memory and I've chosen
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of them lean, there's like sort
Speaker 1: of Natella ones with chocolate in them. There's chocolate varieties,
Speaker 1: there's minis in.
Speaker 2: Mini packs, there's a cranberof lavor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just chosen this sort of traditional, larger ones.
Speaker 1: These ones are called milk and cereals. They're an overseas product. Actually,
Speaker 1: they're made in France, and this is the exact one
Speaker 1: you'll find overseas. They're not made here in Australia, so
Speaker 1: they're imported. They retail for four dollars fifty for force packets,
Speaker 1: six in for six biscuits, six in there, six mini
Speaker 1: packs and then the sorry, the mini packs have each
Speaker 1: got that's right, they're fifty grams in it. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: three hundred grams, so they're fifty grams and they've got
Speaker 1: four individual biscuits, and there's six packs per four dollars
Speaker 1: fifty Now per serve. That gives us about two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty calories per serve, nine hundred kilodel four grams
Speaker 1: of protein. So if I was comparing it, and eggs
Speaker 1: got about eight to ten grams of protein per egg,
Speaker 1: and a bowl of oats with milk would have about
Speaker 1: ten twelve grams of protein, so that's less than a
Speaker 1: third of those serves. Total fat seven grams, and there
Speaker 1: is less than just on three percent saturated fat, so
Speaker 1: eleven percent fat overa also not a low fat option.
Speaker 1: Carbohydrate thirty three point seven grams, so that's two decent
Speaker 1: slices of breadworth of carbohydrate, ten point one grams of sugar,
Speaker 1: so eleven percent sugars in that, and they're not naturally
Speaker 1: occurring sugars in a biscuit product. We'll take a closer
Speaker 1: look at the ingredients in a second, but it's not
Speaker 1: like lactose naturally occurring in dairy or fructose naturally occurring
Speaker 1: in fruit. These are added sugars. Three point four grams
Speaker 1: of dietary fiber. Now that is what we would define
Speaker 1: as a server fiber, but certainly much lower than what
Speaker 1: I would like people to get in a couple of
Speaker 1: slices of whole grain bread, which should be closer to
Speaker 1: eight at least, and in a good quality breakfast cereal
Speaker 1: six to eight, so again about half the dietary fiber.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind this is a fifty gram small serve
Speaker 1: of a food for breakfast, and one hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: seven milligrams of sodium, so you know, pretty low in general.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not lovely loaf for biscuits low, but
Speaker 1: it's not a huge amount of sodium. Made in France.
Speaker 1: The product, so the cereal component that say lists of cereals,
Speaker 1: which is something sort of referred to more overseas than
Speaker 1: traditionally on labels here in Australia, but that basically refers
Speaker 1: to the grain or the starch content. So this is
Speaker 1: a wheat flour forty eight percent, which is not a
Speaker 1: whole wheat flour, so that is a refined sauce. It's
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of that is whole grain cereal, which
Speaker 1: is a good thing, you know, that's adding to the fiber.
Speaker 1: It's got a mix of wheat flour, whole grain oat flakes,
Speaker 1: buckwheat grits, barley flour, whole grain rye flour, whole grain
Speaker 1: spelt flour. The next ingredient is sugar, so as we said,
Speaker 1: it's added sugar and vegetable oil and hasten to say
Speaker 1: it's likely palm bulking agent, milk, solids raising agents, mineral
Speaker 1: mineral salt, mulsifier, soy, lethus, and flavors. So it contains wheat, oats, barley,
Speaker 1: ryece spelt, milk, and soy. Now we could talk. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a biscuit. I don't know. I can't. I struggle
Speaker 1: to find anything positive nutritionally in this product. And the
Speaker 1: issue I have with it is that they're sort of
Speaker 1: aggressively marketed as a breakfast item. There's a whole range
Speaker 1: of them. There's chocolate, as I said, there's one field
Speaker 1: sort of with chocolate spread you know, this is to
Speaker 1: me lean there's nothing that mimics breakfast in this product
Speaker 1: which is called a breakfast product, and I have fundamental
Speaker 1: issues with that. Now, admittedly it's not an Australian made product.
Speaker 1: This is a big brand overseas. It's very well recognized,
Speaker 1: so it's sort of an imported product that's brought to
Speaker 1: this market. I guess to test it out in a way,
Speaker 1: and there's perhaps a demand for it, but I think
Speaker 1: that it's really misleading to call it breakfast because to me,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that mimics a well balanced breakfast, which would
Speaker 1: include a decent source of protein, much better profile of carbohydrate,
Speaker 1: much higher amount of fiber, much less added sugar. So
Speaker 1: I think it's really quite misleading and I'm not a fan.
Speaker 1: I don't recommend them and I don't use them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no healthy fat in there either. Yeah. Really,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you'd have to be pretty specific
Speaker 2: with the type of person, and right, I think sort
Speaker 2: of young athletes who are I don't know, maybe going
Speaker 2: to rowing at five am in the morning or something
Speaker 2: like that, where you're just looking for something quick and
Speaker 2: easy they can eat one Mum or Dad are driving
Speaker 2: them in the car and they jumping off and they
Speaker 2: go into the early early morning sport. Maybe because it's
Speaker 2: got a really good amount of sort of accessible energy.
Speaker 2: It's got a bit of sugar in there. Maybe for
Speaker 2: someone like a growing team, but I just don't think
Speaker 2: for any sort of adult, whether you're trying to lose
Speaker 2: weight or not. This is, as you mentioned, Susie, any
Speaker 2: sort of nourishment. Really we're missing a good serve of
Speaker 2: healthy bad. It's the carbo hydrate load's not too bad,
Speaker 2: but the addition of the carbohydrate it's not great. The
Speaker 2: sugars are pretty high, the protein's pretty low. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's pretty affordable if you're looking for some positives. Four
Speaker 2: dollars fifty for six packets. It's that's on a dollar
Speaker 2: per serving. But there's no sustenance to that. Like if
Speaker 2: I had that, ide'd be hungry thirty minutes later. It's
Speaker 2: just it's not something that you would actually call anything
Speaker 2: that's sort of well rounded or nourish as a breakfast item.
Speaker 2: It's very much a biscuit. It's very much something that
Speaker 2: I would rather use as a snack. So four biscuits,
Speaker 2: like you basically have four biscuits for breakfast. There's no
Speaker 2: other way around it. It is a biscuit, even though
Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't market it is that it's
Speaker 2: called Belvita Breakfast milk and cereals, So as you said,
Speaker 2: they're heavily marketed as breakfast. I don't call it a biscuit,
Speaker 2: but let's be honest, it's a biscuit. There's no other
Speaker 2: way around.
Speaker 1: It, and it's in the biscuit aisle. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: as well. I'm actually surprised they've survived this long. They've
Speaker 1: been around a while. I'm surprised because I don't I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking who buys them, Like, I'm actually just surprised.
Speaker 1: It's so hard in supermarket to survive, let alone this long.
Speaker 1: Someone's buying it. But I think even for athletes there's
Speaker 1: better options, you know what I mean, Like there's musli
Speaker 1: bars and breakfast bars that are much better nutritionally than
Speaker 1: that product. So yeah, as I said, I really struggle
Speaker 1: to find anything decent to say about it at all.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just interesting what survives overseas and
Speaker 1: what's popular there, because certainly that whole model of cereals
Speaker 1: in the morning is very common initially in Europe.
Speaker 2: If I look at the front of packet marketing, like
Speaker 2: if I hadn't turned it over, looked at the nutrition label,
Speaker 2: looked at the ingredient list, I would probably think that
Speaker 2: that is a better option than a museally by just
Speaker 2: based on the front of pack marketing, I would think
Speaker 2: that that's a plain product I could give my kids
Speaker 2: and it would be healthy. I think it's low sugar,
Speaker 2: says milk and cereal. I would probably assume that there's
Speaker 2: some added sort of calcium or something in there. If
Speaker 2: I just took it on front of pack marketing alone,
Speaker 2: I honestly would probably say that that is a healthy
Speaker 2: product that I think a lot of parents would give
Speaker 2: to their children. I honestly believe that, and I think
Speaker 2: that's who is supporting this and buying these products, and
Speaker 2: that's probably why it's really lasted so long.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's misleading. Yeah, it's misleading, and that's
Speaker 1: and doing the mini packs is terrible because it encourages
Speaker 1: parents to buy those for kids. As soon as you
Speaker 1: see minis that's what people pack in lunchboxes and for
Speaker 1: kids for snacks. And you're absolutely right if you're marketing
Speaker 1: or positioning as a breakfast item, you would assume a
Speaker 1: certain level of calcium in or dairy base. Now at
Speaker 1: least if you're formulating a product like that, adds some
Speaker 1: fortify it, puts some begrit vitamins in, put some extra
Speaker 1: dietary fiber in, puts add some calcium to it, and
Speaker 1: then from annutrition perspective, we could model with that and
Speaker 1: potentially use it for fussy eaters to tick some nutrient boxes.
Speaker 1: But it's not even fortified. So to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, not only are you positioning in a breakfast space,
Speaker 1: but you're not providing some of the key nutrients we
Speaker 1: would expect with breakfast and then you're not even bothering
Speaker 1: to fortify it a bit. So yeah, I really sort
Speaker 1: of struggle with it how it survives here in general,
Speaker 1: And certainly, you know, I often see little kids at
Speaker 1: the park, you know, with plain milk type biscuits because
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know where that comes from either,
Speaker 1: but I guess if the biscuit's got milk in the title,
Speaker 1: you know, you could be forgiven for thinking it's a
Speaker 1: source of dairy. So you know, you can see how
Speaker 1: busy parents so trying to make good choices, and they
Speaker 1: see that and they think, oh, well, that's going to
Speaker 1: be better than you know, a sweet biscuit or a
Speaker 1: chocolate nut thing, you know, so they grab it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to cover them today because I
Speaker 1: thought it's a really interesting product to discuss for those reasons.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're meant to be drunk with a glass of milk, right,
Speaker 2: because then at least you'd be getting a little bit
Speaker 2: more calcium, a little bit more protein in there as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, overall, I think it's definitely it's not
Speaker 2: a total red light for me, but it's definitely not
Speaker 2: a green light either. I'd call it sort of orange.
Speaker 2: I'd think have with caution and for the right type
Speaker 2: of person. Maybe, I think definitely having it with a
Speaker 2: glass of milk would boost up the nutrition of that product,
Speaker 2: particularly using it as breakfast.
Speaker 1: If you did it, if you had it with a
Speaker 1: glass of milk, you're closer to three hundred cow You're
Speaker 1: getting fourteen grams of protein depending on that. If you're
Speaker 1: having full creep milk, that you're getting twenty grams of fat,
Speaker 1: but then you're adding you know, you're getting close to
Speaker 1: fifty grams of carb there, which is an insignificant for
Speaker 1: children or adults, you know, So I yeah, I really
Speaker 1: struggle to place it. And as I said, I certainly
Speaker 1: don't use it, but there's a lot of them. So
Speaker 1: as I said, it's hard in supermarkets, so it's probably
Speaker 1: we do this segment just to try and wade through
Speaker 1: the rubbish that can be out there or just the
Speaker 1: confusion that can be out there for busy people. So
Speaker 1: the other one I've chosen is the Uncle Toby's Breakfast Bake. Now,
Speaker 1: I actually did some work with this product when it
Speaker 1: launched a few years ago, and I'll share wye at
Speaker 1: a second, because it's probably not something I would do
Speaker 1: as much now, but i'll share why I did it
Speaker 1: at the time. So it's six dollars fifty for six
Speaker 1: so straight away, and that to me suggests it's higher
Speaker 1: quality because inevitably in supermarket, if it's relatively cheat you
Speaker 1: put inexpensive, it's probably not as high quality. You do
Speaker 1: pay more for high quality food. I just saw strawberries
Speaker 1: at ten dollars a punt, which kind of sums it up.
Speaker 1: So this is in the breakfast section, though these Uncle
Speaker 1: Toby's under the oats ranges in the breakfast section at rate,
Speaker 1: it's got four and a half health Star rating. Now
Speaker 1: we've spoken about the pros and cons of that before,
Speaker 1: but it is rated relatively high based on the overall
Speaker 1: profile a service sixty five gram so it's a heavy bar.
Speaker 1: It's quite substantial, and the calories reflect that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's almost three hundred calories per bar, so it's got
Speaker 1: some serious weight to it for busy, potentially active people
Speaker 1: who need a good energy hit in the morning. Our
Speaker 1: protein is not overly high, close to six grams per serve.
Speaker 1: The fat is ten point two grams, again not insignificant,
Speaker 1: but the saturated fat's very low, suggesting that the fats
Speaker 1: are coming from better sources, and we'll take a closer
Speaker 1: look at that in a second. Similar amount of hydrate
Speaker 1: of the bel beta at thirty three point eight and
Speaker 1: seven point five grams of sugar at eight percent, so
Speaker 1: not insignificant. Again, seven point four grams dietary fiber though,
Speaker 1: so just over twice what you're getting in the bel
Speaker 1: beta range and much lower sodium coming in. It's just
Speaker 1: fifty so it contains. When I'm looking whole grain oats
Speaker 1: fifty three percent, so half of it's got an oat base.
Speaker 1: Next ingredients glucose, so aget an, added sugar, chicker root fiber.
Speaker 1: Now we'll talk about that the second because we've both
Speaker 1: got thoughts on it. To get that fiber content up,
Speaker 1: sunflowur oil, honey, five percent roasted almond, so there is
Speaker 1: a nut proportion to it, which is where they're getting
Speaker 1: some of those good fats from. Second source of sugar
Speaker 1: and brown sugar almond meal, again improving the fat ratio. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's the third source of added sugar. Let's go glucose,
Speaker 1: honey and then brown sugar, glicerine. Just to bind it
Speaker 1: a little bit, Tapioca starch another source of added sugar,
Speaker 1: wheat protein minerals adding some calcium to that, even though
Speaker 1: they haven't listed calcium on the label, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Flavor a mulsifier eyed ied sole mineral salt. It's very
Speaker 1: low amounts given the overall sodium. So is this one
Speaker 1: that much better? Now? At the time I did this,
Speaker 1: it was because it was marketed to kids who didn't
Speaker 1: eat breakfast as a better alternative based on the whole
Speaker 1: greater content. Now, I did it at the time it
Speaker 1: was two or three years ago. I probably wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it now because as I've got a bit older and
Speaker 1: doing a lot more of this stuff, I have to
Speaker 1: be a lot stricter. But I did do it at
Speaker 1: the time because for non breakfast eaters, I would argue
Speaker 1: that this is slightly better, but is it gold standard?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And as I said, I probably wouldn't do it again now.
Speaker 1: But nutritionally it is better than the bell Beta biscuit,
Speaker 1: I believe. But the only people that I would now
Speaker 1: prescribe this too is probably my busy active teens and
Speaker 1: young athletes who need a good amount of energy in
Speaker 1: the morning and can get away with that kind of
Speaker 1: added sugar in the diet. So yeah, I sort of
Speaker 1: would give it. Say I'd give the Belveta four or
Speaker 1: five out of ten, and i'd give this probably seven.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, do you think?
Speaker 2: Maybe low, only because I know that a lot of
Speaker 2: my breakfast eaters, like, if you're going to be someone
Speaker 2: that eats breakfast, they're hungry, and this is not a
Speaker 2: volume dense food. This is not something work. I mean,
Speaker 2: I could probably eat this bake or this bar, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it into its three mouthfuls, like
Speaker 2: it's not a large amount of food. Yes, So for me,
Speaker 2: just from a fat loss perspective, this isn't ideal because
Speaker 2: I think people will just feel hungry or just that
Speaker 2: mind you know how you need a good portion of
Speaker 2: food in front of your eyes, need to see a
Speaker 2: good portion of food to even feel full to begin with,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Like you want to feel like
Speaker 2: you're eating a decent amount of food, and when you're
Speaker 2: just munching on something that's basically musually bar for breakfast,
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't feel satisfied. I'd probably be looking for
Speaker 2: something within an hour. That's me personally, and I know
Speaker 2: a lot of my clients are the same. We really
Speaker 2: work in building volume, dense meals for them. So I
Speaker 2: think the right type of person, as you said, someone
Speaker 2: who's super busy or maybe doesn't eat breakfast but probably should.
Speaker 2: You know, the person that tends to skip breakfast because
Speaker 2: they're so busy, but then over eats later on, perhaps
Speaker 2: this is something for them. So definitely the ingredient list
Speaker 2: is a bit better. The amount of fiber in there,
Speaker 2: some of that coming from the rolled oach, a large
Speaker 2: bulk that's also coming from the chickery root fiber. We
Speaker 2: don't tolerate that very well, Susie and I together. It's
Speaker 2: in a lot of breakfast products. It's what they used
Speaker 2: to sort of not artificially, but to add in extra
Speaker 2: fiber to a lot of breakfast based cereals, protein bars, cereals,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. So it makes me very very gassy,
Speaker 2: and I just don't tolerate. I get terrible cramps with it.
Speaker 2: But if you're wondering why you do struggle with a
Speaker 2: lot of these bars and cereal based products, take a
Speaker 2: look at the label, because I'm and a lot of
Speaker 2: my clients actually struggle with chickory root fiber as well.
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing I saw on the front of
Speaker 2: pack label, Susie, is that the glacemic index. So this
Speaker 2: is obviously something that they're marketing at diabetics. So it's got,
Speaker 2: you know, the equivalent of two slices of better than there.
Speaker 2: I think two slices bread with some eggs and a
Speaker 2: good quality factor and some vegetables as well to slow
Speaker 2: down the digestion all of that carbohydrate would be a
Speaker 2: much better choice if I was a diabetic. This is
Speaker 2: definitely not something that I would recommend for my diabetics.
Speaker 2: But of course it's going to be a better option
Speaker 2: than if you were a diabetic and you had, you know,
Speaker 2: three of four Scots fingers with your copper morning coffee.
Speaker 2: This would yet probably be a better option. So it's
Speaker 2: really it's maybe the better of a bad bunch. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's not definitely not my favorite type of
Speaker 2: breakfast option, but I think young teens, busy athletes, people
Speaker 2: with high requirements, people who are too busy to eat
Speaker 2: anything and just want to munch something quickly to get
Speaker 2: something in to prevent that over eating later on, perhaps
Speaker 2: it could be a good option. But definitely, nutrition profile
Speaker 2: Wiles is absolutely better than the bell be bars. I
Speaker 2: would definitely say that.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I'd use it, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: use it for breakfast. I'd use it like as an
Speaker 1: afternoon snack on the go when you need something kind
Speaker 1: of where kids are hungry and they're looking for something.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a million times better than a
Speaker 1: muffin or banana bread or a cake as that more
Speaker 1: sweet addition to a lunchbox. But you know, it's not
Speaker 1: in significant calories. It's pretty much carry hundred calories in
Speaker 1: that bar. It's a meal. So, as I said, now,
Speaker 1: prescribing it or using it, and to be honest, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have recommended this ever. I don't think, you know, aggressively,
Speaker 1: because I don't do athletes or young kids very often.
Speaker 1: But if I had a tea age, you know, swimmer
Speaker 1: or rugby player and they were looking for ways to
Speaker 1: get calories in easily, I'd use it then. But because
Speaker 1: I don't see many of those people, I certainly don't
Speaker 1: prescribe it to any of my women who have that
Speaker 1: loss and weight losses a goal, and I certainly don't
Speaker 1: prescribe it to any of my insul and resistant pre
Speaker 1: diabetic women with that carbohydrate load. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that there's a specific potential market for it, and it's
Speaker 1: certainly better than Belvita, But I think that it's a
Speaker 1: very specific product for that similar up and go group
Speaker 1: who perhaps can process that amount of energy and need
Speaker 1: the calories. But that's certainly not the clients that I'm
Speaker 1: communicating or seeing in my day to day work. Agreed,
Speaker 1: pretty harsh and good breakfast biscuits, But I think sometimes
Speaker 1: it's better to have it said you know Leanne and
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