WEBVTT - #82 Ellidy Pullin: Losing a Partner, IVF Struggles and Birth of Minnie !

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, another day, another bonus episode to gift our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Ash Yes, Matt's I love it and guess who we've

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<v Speaker 2>got on today's bonus. Let me just play your quick

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<v Speaker 2>little sneak peek if you don't mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yay, guys, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Elodipulling.

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<v Speaker 4>What a bloody ray of sunshine she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the kind of person where you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a best mate.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're not familiar with Elidie, she's the co

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<v Speaker 2>host of a very popular podcast called Darling Shine, along

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<v Speaker 2>with Chloe Fisher, who is married to the Fisher. So

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<v Speaker 2>Elidie's a model, she's an author, and of course her

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<v Speaker 2>mum to little Minnie Alex Chump.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnie is a beautiful kid who looks just like her

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<v Speaker 1>father Chumpy. How she was conceived is something that is

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<v Speaker 1>very unique but extremely beautiful. Ash.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In the middle of twenty twenty, sadly, Chumpy died in

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<v Speaker 2>a tragic spearfishing accident off the coast of Palm Beach.

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<v Speaker 4>On that same.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, Elidie lost the love of her life, but her

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<v Speaker 2>future as a mother was saved.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the immense loss, Leddy has shown incredible strength and

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<v Speaker 1>resilience in managing motherhood on her own, providing a loving

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<v Speaker 1>and nurturing environment for her daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>ELDI faces the same challenges that you and I do. Matt,

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<v Speaker 4>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the dummy. Also a biting child as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Shall we get into it, Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mattie Jay, I'm Ash.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Eliti Pulan. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the bad and the relatable. And Ash and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give any advice. Led have you got any

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<v Speaker 1>advice to give today? I know pressure if you do it, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Could be accidental.

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<v Speaker 5>And don't have a big night a few days before

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to record, because I've lost my voice and

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<v Speaker 5>I sound yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw that story. I was like, was it Sunday night?

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<v Speaker 2>My wife goes, look you, I was coming up and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like she lost a voice. I'm like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not till wednesday. I'm sure it'll be fine. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I think we spoke about it Monday. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a story and I think you were talking.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like oh, we can work with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Your voices bounced back.

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<v Speaker 5>It has Actually, yeah, no, I literally couldn't speak on Monday.

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<v Speaker 5>But I literally forgot that we were doing this. So

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<v Speaker 5>you're lucky because I might have been like, hey, guys

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<v Speaker 5>to cancel.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you gave us a message a couple of days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and we thought that message was going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>one to say, sorry, yeah, we can't do it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to postpone it.

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<v Speaker 3>This okay, this is how take a literate I am?

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<v Speaker 5>Is this the one where I was like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 5>I've just moved to a new place and I don't

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<v Speaker 5>have internet, So do you want me to hire a

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<v Speaker 5>studio or something like that?

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<v Speaker 3>And your beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>Producer Jess was like, yeah, so we're flying up to

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<v Speaker 5>you and we're bringing our equipment and I was like yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm just telling you I don't have internet, and

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<v Speaker 5>she's like, we're bringing the equipment and.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, and I don't have internet. She's like,

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<v Speaker 3>and we.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't need it because I'm just going to press play

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<v Speaker 5>and uploaded later.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, fuck you. I have my own

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<v Speaker 3>podcast and you think I would know this.

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<v Speaker 4>You're always not in charge of the Wi Fi. All

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<v Speaker 4>the tech is gear in your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked Chloe last night, I go, is that not normal?

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<v Speaker 5>And she goes, I always like, we always have to

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<v Speaker 5>have Wi Fi when we record, but we're pretty it's random.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys have a good setup.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't mind me. I'm not sure if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear this. I'm being licked by your dog, which I'm enjoying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just tasting the smashed abbot from this morning. Yeah, Elidi,

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<v Speaker 1>when you were a youngster, a little kid, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>what were you like and were you different to how

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<v Speaker 1>you are now?

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<v Speaker 5>M I reckon, I'm actually I think I'm actually pretty

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<v Speaker 5>similar to now im Like I said to my mum,

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<v Speaker 5>I think recently, I'm like, fuck, why is Minnie so.

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<v Speaker 3>Annoying my kid?

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<v Speaker 5>Like she must have been having like she must have

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<v Speaker 5>been a pest that day or.

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<v Speaker 3>Just wasn't stopped.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, mean, he's so annoying, and Mom's like, yep,

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<v Speaker 5>you were the exact same.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, my dog's being annoying too right now.

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<v Speaker 5>Rummy, Sorry, I can hear her yapping in the background,

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<v Speaker 5>but yeah, mom was my arm so she can keep

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<v Speaker 5>keep the licking.

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<v Speaker 3>Going keep that pat up.

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<v Speaker 5>No, but mom was like she always gives me this

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<v Speaker 5>look like you were the exact same, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>how annoying? Like I keep saying sorry to my mom,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, man, sorry, because she also did it alone

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<v Speaker 5>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>Her and my dad divorce when I was like one

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<v Speaker 5>or something and we were full time with mum. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, shit, sorry, mum, and she had two of us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not easy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not until you have kids that you then look

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<v Speaker 1>back and you're like, I am so sorry to my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I put you through hell.

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<v Speaker 5>So much respect for them all of a sudden, like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so much nicer to my mom these days.

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<v Speaker 2>And my mom says the same thing about my son.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, god, why was he shut up? And she's like, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>You, mate, that's what you were like when you're exactly

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah annoying, Oh yeah yeah yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Were you the were you the class clown? Would you say?

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<v Speaker 5>I was like I was always yeah, I was always

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<v Speaker 5>getting what do we do about my dog?

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<v Speaker 3>Should I just hear? Come here? Come here, just sit here. Sorry?

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<v Speaker 3>She's like maybe she needs to be on me. Sit sorry, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I think she might chill now.

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<v Speaker 5>I was always the one getting sent out in class,

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<v Speaker 5>like I was, And funnily enough, i'd like just for

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<v Speaker 5>talking and just like my attentions, but I definitely have

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<v Speaker 5>ADHD and I just can't, you know, get And.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I'd get sent out of class.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember a few times in primary school I'd

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<v Speaker 5>get sent out and I'd look to the classroom next

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<v Speaker 5>to me, and my brother would.

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<v Speaker 3>Also be sitting outside looking at it. You're like, fuck

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<v Speaker 3>not again.

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<v Speaker 1>So growing up, did you always think I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a mom, I want to have a family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I always wanted kids.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I thought I was probably more maternal than

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<v Speaker 5>what I actually am.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I am such a touch person.

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<v Speaker 5>I love cuddles and I'm like super warm and friendly

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<v Speaker 5>and like fuzzy and shit. But like sometimes with Mini,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, get off me. I'm so done with being

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<v Speaker 5>touched sometimes. Nah, that newborn phase is everything. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I grew up like around kids a lot,

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I always knew I wanted to be a mum.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a big difference so between like being

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<v Speaker 1>young and thinking you want to have a big family

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<v Speaker 1>and then you actually start having kids, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit.

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<v Speaker 4>Why am I so tired all the time. It's like I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think a lot of kids when they're like in primary

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<v Speaker 5>school or whatever, they always look to their teachers.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're like, one day, I want to be a

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<v Speaker 3>school teacher.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I definitely had that, and now I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 5>could not think of anything fucking worse way to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I dropped Minnie off and I'm like, catch you later.

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<v Speaker 1>You would laugh. I know sometimes when I when I

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the kids from daycare, I'm like, I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I should give them a hug.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be okay. They're all real young and sprightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time. They're like in the early twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>I find then there's like the odd older one who's

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<v Speaker 2>just cranky.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just cranky. Now I get it around twenty of

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<v Speaker 4>them every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, people always say that the kind of cliche. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you stop trying to find someone, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you put that to the back of your mind, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when you'll meet the person for yourself. Were you in

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<v Speaker 1>a phase when you met Chumpy? Were you like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking for someone, or were you just like, no, running

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<v Speaker 1>your own, enjoying your life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>See, I was like twenty or like just turning twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was so young and like I always wanted kids,

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<v Speaker 5>but I wasn't like frothing to have them at twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, five years or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was just so keen to just be like

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<v Speaker 5>in love and run around the world and.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like travel and have fun, and like kids was

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<v Speaker 3>not on my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you want to be in a relationship when you're yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, I'm I love this guy, like I'll

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<v Speaker 5>be I want to be with him forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully this is the guy I'm with. Hopefully this is

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<v Speaker 3>the guy I do have kids with.

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<v Speaker 5>But I was like, we need to go spend so

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<v Speaker 5>many years having fun first, you know. But we did

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<v Speaker 5>start trying for our baby when I was like twenty six,

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<v Speaker 5>so we moved up to the gold Coat. We spent

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<v Speaker 5>like five years down in Sydney and then moved up

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<v Speaker 5>here when I was about twenty six. And as soon

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<v Speaker 5>as we bought this hot like my house up here

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<v Speaker 5>that I'd just sold where he started trying for a baby,

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<v Speaker 5>we got a dog and we were all like, yay,

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<v Speaker 5>this is out the next like chat date.

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<v Speaker 1>Who approached the conversation first of like, let's have kids. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I was probably keen like a year earlier

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<v Speaker 5>to start trying, and he was really career focused and

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<v Speaker 5>he had seen like his best mate have babies while

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<v Speaker 5>also snowboarding, because Chump was a snowboarder who traveled the

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<v Speaker 5>world snowboarding and he'd seen his best mate do that,

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<v Speaker 5>and he was like, I just if I'm having a kid,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to be full time.

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<v Speaker 2>He was away like a lots at a time because of.

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<v Speaker 4>Winter and seasons.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was always like, if we're having kids, I

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<v Speaker 5>want to be one hundred percent like retire and fully

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<v Speaker 5>like on you and the kid and not traveling and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, we were trying up until like he was like,

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<v Speaker 5>we're new full pregnant, that's when I'll retire kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>So so yeah, but he was like getting to the

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<v Speaker 5>tail end of his career anyway, and he was ready

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<v Speaker 5>ready to retire.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were like, just yeah, having a crat.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about where you met Chumpy and how you felt when

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<v Speaker 2>you first met it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, okay, so you're Worrywood my dad lived in Worrywood.

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<v Speaker 5>I also grew up in Worrywood, but my mom lived

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<v Speaker 5>in Narraban, which is a suburb next to Oriwood. So

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<v Speaker 5>I would like, me and my bro would like have

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<v Speaker 5>dinner at mom's and we lived with our stepdad at

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<v Speaker 5>the time, and then we'd have dinner, and then I'd

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<v Speaker 5>literally go for a run at night to my dad's,

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<v Speaker 5>go see him, have like dessert with him or whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>and then run back. That's how close my families lived

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<v Speaker 5>like in the suburbs next to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Chump, he was coming to Sydney a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>He's from Victoria, but he was coming to Sydney a

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<v Speaker 5>lot to train with that Nate that I was telling

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<v Speaker 5>you about before.

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<v Speaker 3>He's best friend from.

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<v Speaker 5>Snowboarding, because I grew up with Nate. He lived in

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<v Speaker 5>Mona Vale and like the next suburb over again. Chump

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<v Speaker 5>was kind of in peripher all like circles. Like we

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<v Speaker 5>had like a big girl group and there was a

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<v Speaker 5>big guy. We always just hung in the same circles.

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<v Speaker 5>We always knew each other. He actually always had a

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<v Speaker 5>girlfriend who was overseas in Bulgaria and I yeah, so

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<v Speaker 5>he already did long distance and.

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<v Speaker 1>Break up already.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well I didn't even know howd a girlfriend actually

0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:23.880
<v Speaker 5>it was like a fan. Well, no, they were in

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<v Speaker 5>a serious, really nice, beautiful relationship, but she was like overseas,

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<v Speaker 5>so he'd always come back. We'd be like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 5>hot snowboarder guy's back kind of thing. But I always

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<v Speaker 5>had a boyfriend too, So then me and him broke up.

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<v Speaker 5>And then yeah, it was Laura en Ofver's twenty first birthday,

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<v Speaker 5>who's one of my best friends. And he came and

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<v Speaker 5>I was recently single, and I was like not thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>like I was still gutted from my last relationship ending,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah he was there, and I think him and

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<v Speaker 5>his cheek were like finishing up. Yeah, we hooked up,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was just like just we would just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of instantly obsessed, right.

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<v Speaker 1>As people say opposites attract, but you guys opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>Or we're opposites. We are opposites for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a very like i'd say, really smart, got his

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<v Speaker 5>head on his shoulders, driven kind of careery, kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like I on the prize, like very focused and perfectionist vibe.

0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.800
<v Speaker 5>And I'm really blase, like whatever goes goes, like I'm cruising.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not thinking too hard. I'm not thinking too hard

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<v Speaker 5>about tomorrow. I think about that tomorrow morning, like you

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<v Speaker 5>know what I mean. It works because he definitely made

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<v Speaker 5>me go, okay, ship, what am I doing? Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna start UNI and don't know, I got think about

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<v Speaker 5>my life and what I'm doing and like.

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<v Speaker 3>Get my shit together a bit. And then I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>made him go.

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<v Speaker 5>Fucking alas, like have a drink and have a lot,

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<v Speaker 5>Like he was like always chilling and happy, but like loosener.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you know, and I think a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Of people think typical snowbody is probably.

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<v Speaker 3>A bong head, probably just probably just like.

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<v Speaker 5>People just thought he was like yeah, just hell cruisy

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<v Speaker 5>and just like this athlete, just a hell grungy dude,

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<v Speaker 5>like a dude do.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's not that at all.

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<v Speaker 5>More intelligent, super super intelligent, like doesn't switch off super

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<v Speaker 5>forward thinking business.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say, when.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes to trying for kids, apparently I don't know this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does pay to adhere to a schedule, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>to try it certain times of the month. Who was

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<v Speaker 1>leading the charge anybody? Yeah, it's all over it.

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<v Speaker 4>He wants to know who was ovulating.

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<v Speaker 3>He was definitely in check with like all right, what's

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<v Speaker 3>happening now? Like what day are we up to?

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<v Speaker 5>And shit, and like he was really excited to be

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<v Speaker 5>like I'm coming home.

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<v Speaker 3>I have in my head.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually don't think this is true, but I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just maybe.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like not, I'm not someone that thinks about sex

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four fucking seven, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually not like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I feel like guys do, like some a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of guys do. He'd just always be like, fuck, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>are you on?

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<v Speaker 3>Like are you? Like?

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<v Speaker 5>Are we on this week? Like I'm coming home and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, fucking oath, We're on, Like I can't wait

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<v Speaker 5>to see you. Let's just bang.

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<v Speaker 3>But like on on those particular weeks, he'd be extra.

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<v Speaker 5>Stoked, you know yeah, and then I'd be like after that,

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<v Speaker 5>fuck and I need a don't come here, you're going

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<v Speaker 5>back over nah?

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<v Speaker 3>Nah?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean like that's the beauty of long distance, right.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny because if I get into another relationship ever

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<v Speaker 5>one day, I don't really want long distance, but I

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<v Speaker 5>do look back and just absolutely love the whole like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my god, they are away, you miss them, You're

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<v Speaker 5>fucking lusting for them, and they get back, You're like,

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<v Speaker 5>fuck yeah, Like I can't wait to just like hug

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<v Speaker 5>and ship and see you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it always exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>You're canning down. It's almost like, you know, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>adult Christmas were like I get to see them in

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<v Speaker 1>a week and two nights and then you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little window together. Yeah. Sometimes I mean now like Laura

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<v Speaker 1>and I will be on the couch and I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>be scrolling on my phone, yeah, because we're just you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, definitely, you definitely cherish the time that you

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<v Speaker 5>have with each other, and you're like, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 5>going in three days, You're not.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like fucking making the most of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then you're crying at the airport, but then

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<v Speaker 5>you're like actually loving this space, get to get piece

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<v Speaker 5>with the girls and just half my moment and coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how long were you trying for until you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>why isn't it happening?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so we were nearly we were trying for nearly

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<v Speaker 5>a year, but I'd already been on the forefront and

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<v Speaker 5>going to my doctor going I mean, I reckon heaps.

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<v Speaker 5>The chicks think this, Oh my god. As soon as

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<v Speaker 5>I go off the pill, We're just going to fall

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<v Speaker 5>pregnant straight away.

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<v Speaker 3>So like yeah, I was like, yeah, so I was

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<v Speaker 3>like four months in. Why the fuck am I not

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<v Speaker 3>pregnant yet? So go to the doctor.

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<v Speaker 5>We do my am H testing, which we talk about

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of Yeah, so this is a you guys

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<v Speaker 5>have lots of girl listeners. Yeah, yeah, Okay, we talk

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<v Speaker 5>about this is really helpful on our podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about this a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you're a young girl you want to start

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<v Speaker 5>trying for a baby and it's not working or whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>get this tested as early on as you can. And

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of doctors don't just do it. You kind

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<v Speaker 5>of really have to ask. So it's called getting your

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<v Speaker 5>am H tested, and they're your it's like your amount

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<v Speaker 5>of eggs or your level of eggs.

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<v Speaker 3>OK.

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<v Speaker 5>So we got mind tested and you have to do

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<v Speaker 5>the blood test at a certain time in your cycle

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever. And it showed that I So I was

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<v Speaker 5>like twenty six or seven at the time, and my

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<v Speaker 5>AMH was really low. The number was like two or three,

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<v Speaker 5>which it probably should have been like fifteen, and it

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<v Speaker 5>was on the scale. It was showing that I was

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<v Speaker 5>like close like my biological whatever was close to me

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<v Speaker 5>being like thirty eight or something rather than like twenty

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<v Speaker 5>eight or twenty seven. Okay, and it but what it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't show is so don't want that to scare anyone,

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<v Speaker 5>because what it showed is my egg account was really

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<v Speaker 5>low for my age, and you can't grow more eggs.

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<v Speaker 5>So what you have is you're born with eggs and

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<v Speaker 5>each month you lose them, so you don't get more.

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<v Speaker 5>But the quality of them was really high. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>what we found out later when I started to do IVF. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>so you can have really high egg count but really

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<v Speaker 5>shit quality eggs, which is why a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>miscarriage a lot or I mean, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>speak too much. I'm not a doctor obviously, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>when my doctor was like, you know what, this is

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<v Speaker 5>kind of unfortunate for your age. You have a really

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<v Speaker 5>low egg count. Turns out, my best friend Chloe, who

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<v Speaker 5>I do the podcast with, has had it, also has

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<v Speaker 5>a really low egg count.

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<v Speaker 3>Strange.

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<v Speaker 5>She was like, you know what, keep trying till the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of the year and then let's start thinking about

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<v Speaker 5>freezing your eggs. You're still really young, but let's start

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<v Speaker 5>thinking about doing IVF and freezing them.

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<v Speaker 3>And shit.

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<v Speaker 5>Then but Chump passed away like a month later, after

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<v Speaker 5>we found out that my egg count was low. So

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<v Speaker 5>I yeah, I did go on and do IVF and

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<v Speaker 5>like have his baby later. But yeah, I didn't really

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<v Speaker 5>imagine i'd be doing that. I I did think i'd

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<v Speaker 5>be doing IVF, but I didn't think i'd be doing

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<v Speaker 5>it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, you mentioned Chump passing, and I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to say I'm sorry. It's it's when when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>about your story, you're like, fucking breaks my heart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so tragic. One of the really unique things about

0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.080
<v Speaker 1>your story is that in a moment where you're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with unimaginable grief, you're then trying to digest that, but

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<v Speaker 1>then at the same time, this idea pops up that hey,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we can extract sperm. Who had that idea?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I think someone said to me, like like

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<v Speaker 5>pretty early on, like fuck, maybe you're pregnant right now,

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<v Speaker 5>and like, I don't know. I just I think that

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<v Speaker 5>just went completely over my head. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, Chump's just like not alive right now. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the weirdest thing ever, Like I don't know it. Like

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<v Speaker 5>in the first, like yeah, like probably like on the day,

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<v Speaker 5>on the day, perhaps, yeah, Like I don't know, everyone

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<v Speaker 5>knew we were trying for a baby. So every month

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<v Speaker 5>my friend's like, how you go, Are you're pregnant?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, it was like that. So the girl's like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 3>what if you're pregnant?

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, oh, just what a weird fucking thought,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I still don't even believe that jump He's not

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<v Speaker 5>here and it's been nearly four years.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it was just such a state of shock.

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<v Speaker 5>But my friend Laura Ane, who we actually met at

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<v Speaker 5>her party, I was just telling you about she had

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<v Speaker 5>heard of her friend's partner passing and her friends saying overseas,

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<v Speaker 5>this was a story that happened overseas, and her friends saying,

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<v Speaker 5>I wish I got his sperm so that we could

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<v Speaker 5>have more babies because they she was pregnant when he

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<v Speaker 5>passed and stuff, and she wanted more. And so she

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<v Speaker 5>said to my mum and my brother and Chloe, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>you know you can like retrieve sperm. This, Like I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think it's that common, Like I hadn't I hadn't

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<v Speaker 5>heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, this is the first story, like crazy, Hey, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not the first time hearing it out of your mouth,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the first story I've heard where you could

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I never would never think.

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<v Speaker 5>So fucking bizarre. Like soa, my mom and Chlau started

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<v Speaker 5>contacting the this is like they had literally flowed to

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<v Speaker 5>the idea with me, and I was like, not in

0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.080
<v Speaker 5>any state to be talking to, but I literally was.

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<v Speaker 5>They were like, do you want us to look into

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<v Speaker 5>it? It was kind of just like I don't. I just said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, fuck go away, like yes whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that time was so important?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know at the time. I was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, Like what are we even talking about

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<v Speaker 5>right now? Like I've just died, like such a do

0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 5>you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>My friend Laura?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So Laura had mentioned the idea, and then Chloe

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<v Speaker 5>and my mum were like, what the fuck are you

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<v Speaker 5>talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>That's so weird. Like no, they kind of like were

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<v Speaker 3>like just shut up, like just brush it.

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<v Speaker 5>And then she was like she kept pushing and she

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<v Speaker 5>was like no, no, this is like yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to. Oh, you guys to regret this later,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to do it now. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>story that.

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<v Speaker 5>I know later. I wasn't privy to this these conversations

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<v Speaker 5>at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've met Laura before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so crazy for her, like just having a

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<v Speaker 2>place of mind to go, Okay, well everyone's grieving for

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<v Speaker 2>the loss of someone here and then to go. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that we could get out of this. I

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<v Speaker 2>know for me, i'd be like, should I say anything?

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<v Speaker 4>It's so brave of her to say something.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's so admirable as well. Actually, because she was

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<v Speaker 5>a really close friend of Chumps. The loss of Chump

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<v Speaker 5>really affected her. So for her to switch into this

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<v Speaker 5>like no, this is like almost just being so realistic

0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.240
<v Speaker 5>and having to I don't know, have those conversations, and

0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 5>I think she knows me so well and was like,

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<v Speaker 5>you guys are trying for a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is something you should do.

0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.199
<v Speaker 5>And she was really pushing for it, knowing that if

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<v Speaker 5>we didn't do it now, it's something I could regret later.

0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Like I just couldn't imagine if my kid wasn't here,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>But your family started then making the phone calls and

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<v Speaker 1>started digging around to see like the process of how

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<v Speaker 1>it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so like.

0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.400
<v Speaker 5>Chump's family was in town too, and we're all like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, like yes, just have a look into

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<v Speaker 5>it kind of thing. And then Chloe and my mum

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<v Speaker 5>started making calls. So there was this lawyer that they called.

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<v Speaker 5>They happened to call and he had Weirdly, there was

0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.919
<v Speaker 5>like one other case maybe there's a few, but there

0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.320
<v Speaker 5>was one in other case recently ish in Australia, in

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<v Speaker 5>Queensland that this had happened. The guy had died and

0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 5>Aila Creswell is the story. I googled it and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>She had done this and through this particular lawyer, which

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<v Speaker 5>is so random that we found him.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we were chatting to him. It was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I've just done this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like this weird, so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why do you need a lawyer? Can you give

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<v Speaker 1>consent as.

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<v Speaker 5>The partner or Chumpy's parents also had to sign something too,

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<v Speaker 5>from I think from memory, yes, So the lawyer had

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<v Speaker 5>to just put in paperwork stuff, and then for the

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<v Speaker 5>coroners to go in and like actually do the procedure.

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<v Speaker 4>They must cover a whole bunch of differences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, in case something really bad happens to you or

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<v Speaker 2>something really bad happens in the process, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>there can be you know, the family can feel short

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<v Speaker 2>change here or there or whatever it might be. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure having a solicitor involve is probably the best

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<v Speaker 2>way forward to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get everyone consent in one place. Too.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not so all over the legalities.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like this question comes up a lot and

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<v Speaker 5>I really should know, and I just fucking don't.

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to know about it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, she's here, you're not taking her away, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's that I don't care about.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the crazy things is that they say the

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<v Speaker 1>window is about thirty six hours. Yes, did you know

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<v Speaker 1>the exact time?

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<v Speaker 3>Not really.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember the doctor who actually was having a day

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<v Speaker 5>off that day and Chloe was cold calling doctors and

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<v Speaker 5>the receptionist.

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<v Speaker 3>Was like, there's this.

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<v Speaker 5>This was like the fifth doctor she'd called, by the way,

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<v Speaker 5>And the receptionist like, he's not in today, but this

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<v Speaker 5>is really interesting thing that you're asking me, and he

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<v Speaker 5>loves learning, so I'm going to ask him.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah. He came in on his day off.

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<v Speaker 5>It was actually nighttime that night, and he went into

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<v Speaker 5>the coronie and with the morgue and stuff, and anyway,

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 5>did the procedump on the yeah, in the thirty seventh hour,

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 5>and he I remember him saying, time's so sensitive, you

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 5>have to legally do it within a certain amount of hours.

0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 5>Where he got there justin and Niculd time, like into

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<v Speaker 5>the last hour or something, but his sperm was so

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.920
<v Speaker 5>healthy or whatever, and there was some wriggling around still,

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 5>So like he's like, yeah, IVF in general is like

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 5>always a risk and like it might not work, but

0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 5>he's like, I just have a good feeling about it.

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 5>I saw them, like, you know, being healthy and wriggling

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.879
<v Speaker 5>and moving, and so he was really happy with the

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.119
<v Speaker 5>sample that he retrieved quite late in the piece. But

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 5>he did tell me that the sperm can survive in

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.639
<v Speaker 5>someone's body a week after they've passed, but legally supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to get it within the first like two days or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, fun facts, guys, I know.

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>And I know like it was such like a turbocharge

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.919
<v Speaker 2>couple of days. Obviously, with everything happening on, your emotions

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 2>are high and low everywhere. I can't imagine. Do you

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 2>remember in that moment how that made you feel? That

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 2>that had distracted it? And he had said I have

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a good feeling about this.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, at the time, I wasn't thinking babies anymore.

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, what the fuck? How am I

0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 3>going to survive this day?

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 5>And tomorrow and the next day, Like every day at

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 5>that point felt like a freaking mountain mount Everest that

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 5>I had to climb to like survive and go to

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<v Speaker 5>bed that night and figure out how I was going

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 5>to sleep that night. Like those early days, you're not thinking.

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 5>I was like proper in so much shock. I was

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<v Speaker 5>actually just not thinking honestly, for like six months.

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>How long was it before you thought, okay, well and like,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse my ignorance here, but you have to go into

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<v Speaker 1>the clinic. I'm mashine, do you have to have they

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.479
<v Speaker 1>already got eggs already?

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh, they didn't have eggs.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was about six months after he passed away,

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 5>and like I think, I just woke up one day.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess the idea that we had his sperm was

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 5>always somewhat in the back of my head, but like,

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 5>actually not. I don't think I really thought I was

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 5>going to go through with it alone. But one day

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 5>I just woke up and felt so strongly about it.

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know what, let's make the appointment.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's chat to this IVF guy and just see how

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 5>that feels. And I went in there with my mum

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<v Speaker 5>and he was like I remember for him saying. I

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 5>think he said something like it'll probably be a thirty

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 5>percent chance that will pull this off kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of thing, and I don't know. I went away.

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 5>We thought about it, and I think it just felt right.

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 5>So he passed away in July twenty twenty. December twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>I did my first transfer and then I was actually

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<v Speaker 5>down in hat Head with some friends for New Year's Eve,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, I had I had the transfer in me

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 5>and I actually missed like no, I don't want to

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 5>say miscarried, but the embryo didn't stick. So IVF had

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 5>failed essentially, and I saw it come out of me

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 5>when I peed, like just like a bit of blood

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 5>and shit like bit of stuff coming out, and I

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 5>was like, fuck, I think that's the little embryo coming out.

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 5>And then I and then that night was news Eve

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 5>and I can't even tell you how freaking depressed I

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.479
<v Speaker 5>was waking up on that. So that would have been

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty one, the News' day. I was like, oh

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 5>my god, I feel like twenty twenty is now over.

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 5>Chump was here in twenty twenty and now we're going

0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 5>into twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like just gone, like I'm lead him behind.

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.640
<v Speaker 5>And then I was like, I've also lost this baby,

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 5>and I just like I really thought this, this is

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 5>gonna happen.

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 3>So Baby's gone.

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 5>That had gone out of my life, and then New

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 5>Year was starting, Chump wasn't here.

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 3>I was like, what the fuck is life? And like

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 3>I was so down. I couldn't tell you how you

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 3>get out of it.

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 5>You just have to get on with it and put

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 5>one foot food and like.

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 3>There's just no option.

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 5>You just got to keep going, like you just you

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 5>just have to get through each day.

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Some days feel like they go on forever.

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 5>I used to get scared for nighttime because I'd be like,

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.640
<v Speaker 5>how am I going to sleep? Got back from hat

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 5>Head and I was like, cool, doctor, it didn't work

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 5>out my periods here, what happens?

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Should we try again? Blah blah? He advised.

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I was very much like, let's just

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 5>keep going. Let's chuck the next embryo in. I had three,

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 5>so I'd already done one. I was like let's just

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 5>keep going. I don't want to waste any time, Like

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.400
<v Speaker 5>I need something to fucking look forward to in life.

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 5>Right now, I'm not good and he was like, you

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 5>need a month off rebalance your hormones, sought yourself out,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 5>like go, I don't know whatever. And that pissed me

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 5>off listening to him, but it was probably the best

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 5>thing I did. Had a month off IVF, just went

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 5>and try to get through life. Came back in fairbit

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 5>and did another transfer and I, yeah, my mom came

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 5>in with me. I just like knew this one was

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 5>going to work. I don't know, I'm not really a

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.920
<v Speaker 5>woo Wood person at all, but something just was like,

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 5>this is my kid, this one is the one.

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 3>And yep, nine months later, Mini came out. It was

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 3>a girl.

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:33.400
<v Speaker 5>I didn't find out it was a girl. Found out

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 5>when I had her in the birthing suite. Everyone said

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 5>she was going to be a boy, and yeah she

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 5>was a girl, and I knew she. I was like,

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 5>I bet this is a girl. Like I need to

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 5>disagree with Like I kind of wanted to be different

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 5>because everyone was like, it'll be a little chumpy, and

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 5>I think they wanted it to be a little chumpy,

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, nah, he's going to give me

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 5>a little best friend.

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 4>What was your pregnancy life?

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember anything about it that you thought, oh,

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>fucking I hate this part of it, or something you

0:27:58.760 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>really loved about it.

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 5>I Chloe, my best friend's pregnant at the moment right now,

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 5>and she's just like, get this thing out of me,

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, it makes me keep thinking back to

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 5>my pregnancy, and I'm.

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Like, did you have any cravings?

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just ate so much just chocolate, just cheesy

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 5>my scrollsese Reggie chocolate. I was real sweet and savory.

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 5>I wasn't really one or the other. Oh and Parsley

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 5>and like randomly just really Parsley from the like literally

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 5>just fighting into it like a bloody like.

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Like a horse.

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>How are you and Parsley? Now, I love.

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 5>Parsley, but yeah, well I don't eat it like a

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 5>horse anymore. But but I look, I think I was

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 5>pretty lucky.

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 3>I vomited a lot in the start.

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 5>I had heaps of morning sickness, but it was all

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 5>pretty funny. My friends used to think it was hilarious.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 5>So I'd be walking along the beach with them in

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 5>the morning. I was like a real early rise. I

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 5>mean the dog would be walking along the beach and

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 5>I'd just be always spewing, like at the beach, yeah,

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 5>and was finding My friends would film it.

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 3>We all like they still send me videos, so like,

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 3>look what I found.

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 5>I'm just like I was in the main street of Brunswick,

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 5>like outside the bakery, just like proper projectile vomiting in

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 5>the street.

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 3>My friend just sent me the video the other day.

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yuck, what's wrong with me?

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 4>It's funny too, because.

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>When video I.

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 3>Would, I got it. I posted the other.

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, pregnant women are usually they're sick in

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that phase where it's kind of like you can't really

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>if you don't know them, you're an outside of looking

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>in you can like are they just really hungover or

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>are they actually yes.

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<v Speaker 5>A feeling you can't describe it is like a real

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 5>hungover feeling and just a flat like yeah, like I

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 5>just have no energy, like I just you just feel

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 5>so shit in the first few months.

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 3>But overall, I do think.

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 5>I got pretty lucky and had a good look at

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 5>Chloe and I'm like, man, and you're uncomfortable, and I

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 5>was not uncomfortable at the end.

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm a lot taller.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 4>I saw a video for me this morning when she

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 4>was walking up on them. Yeah, and she's just like she.

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Just looks over it, and it's kind of like I

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>get like my wife is like I miss being pregnant

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>in certain certain stages. But I can imagine that that

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>last stage and I do kind of remember what it

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>was like when April was really uncomfortable. But yeah, I

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>can imagine that.

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 5>I keep saying to her, You're going to miss this belly,

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 5>like stop wishing it away, and she's.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:27.959
<v Speaker 3>Like, shut up.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 5>But I do miss the belly. The novelty of having

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 5>that big belly is so fun.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Like I just love that.

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 5>I think I love everyone coming and touching it. Like

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 5>some people like don't touch, like, don't touch my belly,

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 5>like I do it.

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, come and get it.

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 4>I love it.

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you go drug free?

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Ah?

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah yeah.

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why it was fucked And I recommend

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 5>getting the ebby drill.

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I reckon if I go again, I'm drugs. I want

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 3>the gas. I want everything. I got nothing.

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 4>It was the worst was in the hospital with you.

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 4>Who was your biggest your mum was.

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.959
<v Speaker 2>Your biggest Because you've got such a big support network.

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who's met you follows you, sees you can see

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 2>how much the people around you love you during that

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>time when you were like trying after Chumpy had passed.

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Who who are the people that you think that you

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 2>lent on the most?

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, my my mom, my brother and my girlfriends, and

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 5>yeah they're got like I have, I love my friend's boyfriends.

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 5>I've got like the strongest support network. Like I got

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 5>so many girlfriends, guy friends. They were seriously like a village,

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 5>Like they're all my brothers and sisters and we're so close.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm so lucky, so.

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 4>Much stuff, so isolated.

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I suppose having that support network you can those days

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>when you're feeling really shit, like it's just nice to

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>be heard by someone.

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>How do you think for other people who may have

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>a friend who's going through grief, what are the things

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that your friends did for you that really helped?

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 5>So I think it is really awkward for the support givers.

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 5>They don't know like what to say. Do I talk

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 5>about the person? Do I not talk about the person?

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 5>Do they want a distraction today?

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 4>Like what do you?

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 3>And I always felt really awkward for them.

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I don't want them feeling awkward and

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 5>not wanting to hang out with me because they feel

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 5>awkward because they don't know how to dance around my

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 5>grief or what I'm feeling that day.

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 3>But they were really.

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 5>I was so open with them, and I think that's

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 5>easier for them to just like feel less awkward when

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm just like I don't know, just like it's all

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 5>out on the table with me kind of thing, Whereas

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 5>like a lot of people would grieve a bit more

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 5>privately when I don't know.

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 3>But I think, just be there, just keep being there.

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 5>If they don't answer the phone, just rock up, just

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 5>keep texting, just like, don't give up.

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like your honesty would really help them too.

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 2>You're very sitting here next to you now, You're very

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>honest with everything. I think that would really help a

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>person that's feeling a little bit awkward about how do

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I help this person.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 5>At this start, I was pretty open with just going

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm fucking dying today, like I don't know, be here,

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 5>don't be here, but like, don't even talk to me.

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 5>If you're going to be here, just fucking sit there

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 5>and shut up today, like I just don't feel like

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 5>chatting or.

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>I was probably really open.

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 5>I think I used to be good at communicating my

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 5>feelings and now, like last week, I just moved into

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 5>this new place and I've just been really rattled and like.

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Privately doing it, I think.

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 5>And like my friend, like Chloe, that they lived down

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 5>the road and they were like walking past or whatever.

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 3>And she saw me just like crying, and she's like,

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 3>what's wrong? Why didn't you tell me? I'm like, I

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 3>don't know. I'm just like I feel like.

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm not as good now at articulating my emotions and shit, Weirdly,

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:34.719
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, maybe it's more it's so much further on,

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.719
<v Speaker 5>and I feel I don't feel like I know it's valid,

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 5>but I feel like, oh, I don't want to burden

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 5>my friends with this shit still, like I know that

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 5>that's not how it is, and they would never think that,

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 5>but like I'm like, I know they'd be like, well,

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 5>what's what's wrong, even though it could be self explainatory,

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 5>and then I have to explain, like I really miss

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.959
<v Speaker 5>Chumpy and I've moved and this feels fucked and dah

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 5>dah da da da. But like I'm like, I just

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 5>think I feel. At the start, it was very much

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 5>like obviously this is how I'm feeling because of X,

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 5>Y and Z, And now it's like, oh, why are

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 5>you so sad today?

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Like why are you crying?

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, honestly, I'm just fucking having a moment

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 5>and still still griefy shit, just lingering around and I

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 5>know it's valid, but it doesn't. I don't feel like

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 5>I need to, like, like, I think it surprises people

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 5>more when they find me in a heap crying. They're like, oh, shit,

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 5>you should have told us, and I'm like, nah, I'm

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 5>just doing it on my own now.

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, kind of thing.

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>That's I think a lot of people are like that. Yeah, well,

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>when you've been getting so much help for a long time,

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>you also have a sense of like, oh I should

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>be doing this on my own now.

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I think that too, And I am really an

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 5>independent person, so I think it almost like I probably

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 5>frustrate my friends because they're like, fuck, you don't have

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 5>to do it alone. Why don't you tell us you're

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 5>having such a shit time like we're here, and I'm

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 5>like no, no, Like I think sometimes I need to

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 5>do this alone and you're busy.

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 3>You guys are getting off with your fucking lives, and.

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 5>Like so am I but yeah, this and like sometimes

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 5>the waves of griefs now they actually take me by

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 5>surprise as well, and I'm like, fuck, this sucks, Like

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 5>I just got to ride this one out and I'll

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:12.879
<v Speaker 5>do it alone because I'm going to know my friends

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 5>about it right now. Like it's like a bit of

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 5>a different different motions.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no drugs for the child birth? Yes, sorry, oh man,

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>for anyone who hasn't been in the room. For anyone

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>who hasn't given birth, what's it like? And especially because

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine doing that without drugs? But you're in

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>a moment of like extreme pain. And then what's it

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like when you get to see your child for the

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 1>first time and you get to hold them?

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so hang the fuck on birth.

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Obviously have seen it as dads, but holy Molly, like

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 5>nothing prepares you for that. It is excruciating. And you

0:35:56.400 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 5>have a plan, chuck that fucking plan, that plan, and

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 5>it's not sticking to pot. That is so true.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Like I had a plan.

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm like a non planning plant person, but

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 5>I was like hey, I want to have it in

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.959
<v Speaker 5>the bath, Like I'm real zoning, I'm going to breathe

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 5>through this thing. Let's have it in the bath. I

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 5>couldn't even fit in the fucking barth my legs, my

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 5>legs were way too long for this public hospital bath.

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, no, the pain I felt, I think Minnie

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 5>was apparently turned the wrong way inside me and shit,

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 5>and she was taking ages to come out and blah blah.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.919
<v Speaker 5>My legs felt like they were going to fall off.

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 5>They were numb but also killing. The pain wasn't so

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 5>much in the contractions. It was more in my lower

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 5>back and my legs. I remember through my contractions I

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 5>was vomiting so like actually vomiting it all over me

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 5>as well. My mom was the fear in my mum's

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 5>face like said.

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 3>It all to me.

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 5>I was like, I think I'm gonna die, Like I

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 5>remember saying that to her. And she had had beautiful

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 5>bursts with me and my brother. She'd had really quick

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 5>bursts and get the She said to me, birth is painless,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't hurt. I don't know, this shouldn't matter. I

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 5>don't think this matters, but like in my head, my

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 5>mum is a stick. She's like a quarter of the

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 5>size of me. So I was like, mom's miniature. If

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 5>she can push out two big heads that me and

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 5>my brother had and it's apparently painless, this is a

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 5>walk in the park for me, and my baby was

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 5>pretty small, but the way whatever the fuck she was

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 5>doing in.

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 3>There, it was just killing.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness.

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, birth was fucked, and I it was too late.

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 5>By the time I got through all all the hours

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 5>of dying in the whatever with the midwives and stuff,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 5>it was just too late to get an epy. Like

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 5>by the time I was like, what's going on, guys,

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 5>can I get the epidural? They were like, you've literally

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 5>you've probably only got an hour left. You're about to

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 5>start start pushing. You've just done this for like seven hours,

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 5>like and I was like, oh yeah, okay. Now it's

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 5>like I'm this is a mental thing and I'm like, okay,

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm not getting it, like I'm going to do this

0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.319
<v Speaker 5>because I was like I should have got it like

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 5>ten hours. But when she came out, I was just

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 5>so fricking frothing and believed that that was over and

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 5>trying to figure out how to hold this sip slippery

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 5>little slug because.

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 3>They're so slippery slippery, No one tells.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 5>You that you're going to drop it like I was.

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:16.879
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't in a bed.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 5>I was on all fours on the little tile whatever

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 5>the floor is, and she was just so slippery, and

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 5>I was like, shit, we're all covered in blood and

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 5>vomited and everything.

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to drop this little egg.

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.240
<v Speaker 5>It took so long of me just catching my breath

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 5>and chilling for like a few minutes before my mum

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 5>and the midwives were like what is it? Check what

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 5>it is?

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Like, where is it? You know?

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 5>What's what's the sex? And so that was super cool,

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 5>and I.

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:44.479
<v Speaker 3>Was like, holy shit.

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 5>I was like almost scared to like look because I

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 5>was like, oh my god, I can't believe I've just

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 5>been so lost in this moment of like just frothing

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 5>that this little slugs in my arms that.

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I haven't even thought to look at what it is.

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 5>Because I'm just so stoked to have a healthy baby

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 5>that's screaming at me.

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it was a girl.

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you ha Bbilical cords also a bit confusing as well.

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 3>Your homos. Do you have to cut it? Did you

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 3>cut it. Yeah, how hard is it to cut like Calamari?

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 3>It was like.

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 5>My mum had the scissors and was like chopping, like

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 5>trying to it was easy.

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>It's got to sharpen these because these are craps.

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally, where's the properes? Get cut over?

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>The kids safety?

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Exactly the plastic ones.

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.319
<v Speaker 5>But nah, as you guys know, those moments are ridiculous.

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 3>And then I just remember they kind of.

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 5>Put me in the bed, babies on me, like figuring

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 5>out how to breastfeed and like that.

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 3>But just like you're so off with the fairies, You're

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 3>just like, what the hell?

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 5>And then they're just like stitching me up and doing

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 5>whatever they're doing. And that's not even I'm not even

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 5>feeling a thing there because you're just so wrapped up

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 5>in like, oh my god, you've got a baby on

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 5>such a cool and my mum was so great.

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 4>In those moments and was manni was she asleep? We

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 4>always say you get one or the other.

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, I reckon. I got really lucky with the

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 5>sleep thing. She is and still is a fantastic.

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 4>I see so many of your stories.

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:20.919
<v Speaker 3>She's a good sleep.

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.439
<v Speaker 5>She can fucking sleep anywhere, anytime, like I could chuck

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:31.399
<v Speaker 5>her on the roof, like, but she there's a few

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 5>but so many, there's a few butts. So first of all,

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 5>the dummy. She still has a dummy, and that soothes her,

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:39.240
<v Speaker 5>and that's how she sleeps.

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 3>In as soon as she does.

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>She's two and a half, gone through in a bit

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and still oh yeah, killed for a dummy.

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.240
<v Speaker 3>She just like, Okay, this makes me happy.

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel it doesn't work.

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a lot of people in that boat still though, okay.

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 5>Good no, because as soon as she falls sleep at night,

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 5>I take the dummy edge, so and then she's asleep.

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 5>But then like say, in the middle of the night,

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 5>she'll be like, dummy, dummy, dummy, ummy, and I have

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 5>to go in find it, put it back in social sleep.

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 3>And I know I could just do cold turkey, have

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 3>three really shit nights and you know, but.

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>People say it could ruin their teeth, and to them,

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I say, fuck off.

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna be able to afford braces day. I'm gonna

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 5>work really fucking hard in the next ten years and

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 5>hopefully I.

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Have a spare few grand for braces. So that's my plan.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 4>You're not going to.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 3>The other week.

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.280
<v Speaker 5>I was like, gonna go cold Turkey with the dummies

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 5>and sent her into KINDI with no dummy, and she

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 5>bloody bit children that day.

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.879
<v Speaker 3>And it's so mortifying and fucking embarrassing.

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 5>Not just one kid, but like, I'd rather my kid

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 5>be getting bit We have a solution the other way around.

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 4>We have a solution. We asked the question to people.

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>We had a family friend who same scenario, and they

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>they were like, I don't know what to do. My

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>kid is a bier, and I think it's like everyone

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 1>every parent's worst night there of like I don't want

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.760
<v Speaker 1>to have a kid that's a bier. So then after

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a while of like continuous bites and other kids they

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>were they were like, I'm going to bite my kid.

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I bit my kid. Yeah yeah. Well she cried

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.359
<v Speaker 3>and it hurt her, but she didn't seem to give

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 3>a fuck.

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 4>She went another day, well you've got Jeffrey Dahmer on

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 4>your hands.

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I bet her back one time, for sure, But

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 3>so many parents were like.

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 5>Emarrassing, I'd refers she get bit in and and then

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 5>I went, honestly, I can't I either pull you out

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 5>of KINDI or I have to send you in with

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 5>a dummy because you obviously want to buy it something,

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 5>and it's got to be that dummy, not another kid.

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 5>Because this is just so mortifying. I feel like the

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 5>other kids parents are looking at me, going your kids.

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 3>They wouldn't know it's a great white shut.

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't know that it was your kid. They're not

0:42:58.640 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 4>meant to know.

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, the kids can talk, now, can't they. I'm pretty

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:02.760
<v Speaker 3>sure Brad.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 4>On the back and she were like trying to figure

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 4>out who it was. But she was very coy, really.

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Good on hers trying to protect her friend brothers. I

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.439
<v Speaker 3>feel like all the kids in they're like, fucking Mini

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 3>bit me today.

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 4>Mom rattling off the kids name and she was like, yep,

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 4>that was was that one? But it was yes to everything.

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh nah. But then the other butt is college.

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 5>So she had colleague as a baby, and that is

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 5>just freaking torture, like the unsettled stomach, the reflux of vomiting,

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 5>the screaming, so one of like I always just remember

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 5>these nights where and I wasn't.

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 3>I had really good help, especially in the first few weeks.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 5>My mum actually had COVID after Mini was born, so

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 5>she stayed away from us, but some of my friends

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 5>were like like mum, friends left their kids and moved

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 5>in with me and were there. Tiana my main like

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 5>wet nurse friend. She was with me every night in

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 5>the middle of the night, like helping me. You know,

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 5>Minnie's crying, Okay, this is what you do. You grab her,

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 5>check on your booby, brestfea da da dah, like kindness

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:07.920
<v Speaker 5>literally being my husband.

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Like she was teaching me everything I needed.

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 5>To know about breastfeeding, you know, just every fucking little thing,

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 5>like you get the little rashing on your nipples and

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 5>all that cap and just like all those things, and

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 5>helping soothe her because she did get really colliqy and

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 5>so like you'd feed for like at the start, feels

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 5>like you're feeding for two hours. It was like an

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 5>hour on each boob, and then trying to get her

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 5>back to sleep was like another two hours because she'd

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 5>be screaming and collicky, and so that just sent me mental.

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 5>Like I remember just having her in the carrier, or

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 5>Tiana would have her in the carry and we'd be

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 5>pacing up and down the hallway, and then one night

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 5>she couldn't be there, and I just always remember pacing

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 5>up and down the hallway for like three hours on

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 5>and in a carry out.

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 3>She's screaming, I'm screaming, we're both crying. I'm like, fuck this,

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 3>like shut up, and those moments just.

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my first one was exactly the same as that. Yeah,

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 2>So the silent reflex I fully resonated with that. You go,

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 2>you're all screaming at each other for hours trying to

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 2>get them to sleep, and and.

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like they're asleep forty minutes later, they're back up.

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're hungry, and we're ready to again twenty four hours.

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 3>It's heavy hate.

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 1>How do you deal with the guilt when you have

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 1>those moments? Because similar, Lola was the same and we

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of scares with her, and you want

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>to love this child more than anything, but you're just

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 1>so exhausted and so tired. You're also so frustrated at

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>them and it's not their fault. But then when you

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.760
<v Speaker 1>have those moments frustration and you think, fuck, I should

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.800
<v Speaker 1>be yeah, I should be loving this again, yeah, and

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you're not, Like, how do you deal with those situations?

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 3>The sleep deprivation is the worst.

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 5>And I think if you if you're one of those

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 5>people that does happen to have like that chemical imbalance

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 5>after you have a baby and you do go through

0:45:55.200 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 5>the post partum depression thing that like, I imagine how

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 5>you could fucking spial because if you had sleep deprivation

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 5>along with that, you'd just.

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Be like I hate this kid. That is the worst

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 3>thing to say, like that that, thank God was not me.

0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 1>For people who don't have kids, the reality is you

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>have moments of resentment.

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 4>Yes, you can't all the time like you do.

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Like you might be like I fuck this, fuck this,

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Like you could be in the worst mood and be

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.240
<v Speaker 2>so resentful towards them. You can feel really really guilty

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.319
<v Speaker 2>for a moment, but there you find you you find

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 2>your ways to get over it and love them.

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 4>Like like you do the whole.

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 5>Yes, And I think I had in my head, I

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 5>don't know, like if she was screaming her head off

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 5>and I was really like freaking hadn't slept in like

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 5>a week, I'd.

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Just lash out and be like shut the fuck up

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 3>and then scream at this tiny, innocent little egg. And

0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 3>they obviously have no idea what I'm saying, So I

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.080
<v Speaker 3>was like, okay, not really learning.

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.800
<v Speaker 5>They're killed You're just like, oh my god, they're so innocent,

0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 5>and I've just yelled at this tiny thing, Like is

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 5>that going to like, you know, it's not really going

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 5>to affect their life, but you're like, shit, but even now,

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 5>like I definitely am pretty crazy, but I will honestly,

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 5>I do feel guilty sometimes, and I'm when I'm too

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 5>busy or not super present, and you know, I've picked

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 5>up from daycare and I've got a million other things

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 5>on my mind rather than being in their car and

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 5>going Minnie.

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 3>How is your day and what did you get up

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 3>to and what did you draw today?

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:32.399
<v Speaker 5>And did you play in the sand and what did

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 5>you bloody learn and dadda, Like if I'm not doing that,

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 5>or if I'm just a bit like smitty shut up

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 5>like a mummy's talking, or you know, just like quickly

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 5>trying to rush through the bath and the bed and

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 5>the dinner and all that, and then you finally chuck

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 5>them in bed and you're like, fuck, thank god, I

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 5>can do me Now. I'm like, oh, I don't even

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 5>know if I really interacted with her enough to savo

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 5>like that.

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Shit feels guilty.

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 5>But I look at my friends who have a partner,

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 5>and it's so much easier to just be like that

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 5>tiny bit stoke, don't have that bit more energy when

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 5>you're like, hey, can you do bath in bed?

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 3>And then I'll cook for us and then we can

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 3>all kind of come together and have that and that.

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.720
<v Speaker 5>Are like I feel like I'm always rushing and chasing

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 5>my tail and that, Like I struggle with that, and

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 5>I do feel guilty about that a lot, but I.

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Do also kind of I mean, when I say it

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 3>out loud, I'm kind.

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Of like, I also do feel like, Okay, I should

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 5>be kind of proud because which she's two and a half,

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 5>she's actually really healthy and thriving.

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 3>We've moved, We've done so fucking much.

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, you should be so fucking proud.

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:38.840
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like parenting is hard.

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 4>It's tough.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.720
<v Speaker 1>It's hard. Imagine it and a team and this periods

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>where Laura will go away for a weekend and at

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the end of that, I'm like, I'm checked out. You know,

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't get that reprieve. You're like, yeah, running constantly,

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and not only that, but then you're working so much

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.839
<v Speaker 1>as well. You've got podcasts, how you just got announces

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a cover girl first in Australia. Shout out and thank you.

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 3>It's so crazy.

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>How are you finding balancing everything at the moment? You

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>got a million things going on?

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, well I just chucked her in for another day

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:13.839
<v Speaker 3>at daycare. Daycare is the best thing ever.

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I honestly I get a taste of what

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 5>it would be like to be in a relationship because

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 5>when Chloe and Fisher are home, they live three doors

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 5>down the road, and she knows my schedule.

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 3>She actually tracks me on fucking fine and.

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 5>She tracks me. She knows my calendar. She'll literally be like, hey,

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 5>it's nearly four pm. I can see that you're still

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 5>fucking in some meeting up at Miami. Can I Can

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 5>I go pick Mini up now and then? And then

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 5>I'll be like, yeah, bloody, go for it. She'll go

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.200
<v Speaker 5>get Minnie. I'll come back and find her bathed and fed,

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 5>and then she's got dinner for me, and I'm like,

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 5>oh my god.

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 3>So I get a taste of how good and I

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:51.800
<v Speaker 3>get it.

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 5>I get so lucky with them, like I get I

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 5>get a taste of how good and easy it is,

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 5>and I get to really reap that when they're home,

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, fuck, you're on like you.

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 5>But then and that makes me appreciate my village and

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 5>I feel so lucky. So I just lap that up

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:08.800
<v Speaker 5>when I can, and then when I can't, I just

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 5>chase my tail and I get on without my brother

0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 5>and my mom.

0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 3>They're awesome.

0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 5>So I have people that I can call when I'm

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 5>really struggling. But yeah, it's a juggle. Like, it's such

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 5>a juggle. You just have to not that good at

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.759
<v Speaker 5>thinking ahead, but you do have to think ahead and

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 5>be like, fuck, got X, Y and Z, How am

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 5>I going to figure out who's picking her up?

0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 3>And what?

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 4>So many logistical things you got to worry and.

0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:28.919
<v Speaker 3>We like same with you guys.

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm always traveling for work and flying here and flying there,

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.359
<v Speaker 5>and like I, I most of the trying to try

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 5>and figure out how to pull her out of Kindy

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 5>so she can come because I actually miss her, and

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 5>then again feel really guilty if I'm going away, you know,

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 5>for week a weekend for some job and then she's

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 5>in KINDI a week, Like I'm just like, am I

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 5>ever going to see this kid?

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:53.319
<v Speaker 3>You know? So it is such a juggle, And yeah,

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 3>you just.

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Got to fully understand that.

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the you're sort of trying to do your

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 2>life as well, but then it's like that you're kind

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 2>of like their whole life. And it's like sometimes you

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.360
<v Speaker 2>can feel like if you dismissed them a little bit

0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 2>early or just too quickly, just because you're caught up

0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 2>in your world. But like I said, you're their whole world.

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 2>They're waiting for you to respond sometimes if.

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.919
<v Speaker 1>It makes you feel any better. So many other parents

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.359
<v Speaker 1>are going through the same thing. Wrapping the Gold Coast

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 1>right now. I'm sleeping up here tomorrow morning. Is those

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>days are a daddy door to day, which I'll miss

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 1>because I'm up here. So those internal thoughts in the

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 1>good that you've got, like we've all got in.

0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Some capacity, we've all got it.

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like you know, your situations unique with

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 2>what you know, you and your kid alike, but everyone's

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 2>got that something that they go I should have maybe

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.200
<v Speaker 2>not said that, or I should have maybe spent that

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.359
<v Speaker 2>little bit of extra time instead of sat and doom

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>scrolled for that fifteen minutes.

0:51:56.640 --> 0:52:01.399
<v Speaker 5>Dooom scrolling watching some other fucking kid on some other

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 5>kid on tiktog instead of your own stupid look. But yeah,

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 5>it's true. At Mini's KINDI there's another kid that also

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 5>doesn't have a dad, and well she had a sperm

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 5>don a situation and such a beautiful little girl. And

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 5>I respect that mum so much because she works her

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:25.200
<v Speaker 5>us off. She works full time, and I'm like, she

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 5>gives me like that validation. I'm like, fuck, yr, I

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 5>never imagine i'd be working this much, yeah and doing

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 5>not like yeah, all on my own to be able

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 5>to afford what we can do.

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 2>And she would think the same as what you think

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:41.360
<v Speaker 2>about her, like we think about you like pride, like

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 2>far out.

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 4>It's hard and she knows that. So it's good that

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 4>you've got You've got that sense that you feel, you know,

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:49.840
<v Speaker 4>proud of what she does. She would feel exactly the

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 4>same about you, I guarantee you.

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well hopefully we've both got each other.

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 5>And it's the thing because sometimes I'm like, I need

0:52:58.160 --> 0:52:59.800
<v Speaker 5>to stop saying yes to so much work because I

0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:01.840
<v Speaker 5>need to have more time for me. But then I'm like,

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 5>there's only one income here, and I got to do it,

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 5>and it'll like you know, yeah, kind of.

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Just got to get on with it.

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like one of the most common questions that

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>must get thrown it you are are you going to

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 1>have another baby? Are you ready to start dating again?

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Be honest? How annoying is it to have that question

0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>thrown at you?

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I feel like.

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 5>I think I used to find it really annoying because

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:29.719
<v Speaker 5>I was like or like, I don't want to say

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.839
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was rude, but I wasn't. My head

0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.319
<v Speaker 5>wasn't there, so I was like, what the fuck, I'm

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 5>just like I'm pregnant, or I've just had mini like

0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:40.680
<v Speaker 5>what the hell, like as if I'm going to find

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 5>someone now?

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 3>And like I felt pressure too.

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 5>I was like, is that what I'm like? Am I

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.799
<v Speaker 5>just moving to slow? Should I already be with someone?

0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 5>Like I feel like I can't, like you know, and

0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:55.520
<v Speaker 5>or I had other friends that they lost their partners too,

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 5>and I met them on like line and they already

0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 5>had other boyfriends and stuff. Their circumstance was different. Maybe

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 5>they weren't they weren't having a baby or whatever. But

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:04.960
<v Speaker 5>I was like, holy shit, like good power to them,

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 5>Like fucking oath, that would be so hard to do

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 5>and eyes are on you.

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 3>People are going holy shit.

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:11.840
<v Speaker 5>That was too soon or that wasn't soon enough for

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:15.640
<v Speaker 5>they're comparing the guys and like passing judgment and shit,

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, oh, I don't want that.

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 3>And I was like maybe that's something I just keep

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:20.560
<v Speaker 3>super private and stuff.

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 5>But now I'm like actually excited about like what's to come.

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 5>And I'm like that actually excites me now. So now

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.799
<v Speaker 5>when people ask, I'm like, oh my god, I want

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 5>to know too, what are we going to do? It's

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.279
<v Speaker 5>like who's it going to be? Like just be a better,

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.440
<v Speaker 5>be a legend. And I just can't wait to find

0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.360
<v Speaker 5>someone that I just fucking love and get along with

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:46.720
<v Speaker 5>and we just have fun and mini loves and like, yeah.

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.240
<v Speaker 1>It's the first time that we've met. But it's also

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>weird how invested I am in your life. I'm completely honest.

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah from the sidelines, like, O.

0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.399
<v Speaker 3>Love you, Maddie. And I love Laura too. She's boody best.

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 3>As soon as I met her, I was like, I

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.719
<v Speaker 3>fucking love you. She's one of one and the.

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Same and love talking to Elidie. Oh, I was like,

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.840
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't wrong. We do like to end on one

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.240
<v Speaker 1>question I have forgotten to ask it a few times,

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not going to figure out, given you're fired,

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 1>when Minnie is all grown up and she's no longer

0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:27.000
<v Speaker 1>living with you at home, what would be one thing

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:28.800
<v Speaker 1>or a few things that you would want her to

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 1>remember about the house that she grew up in.

0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 3>That's a cool question.

0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 5>Well, I actually have this fear that she's going to

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 5>forget about the house that Chump and I kind of

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.880
<v Speaker 5>made our home together that I just moved from.

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 3>So if you had to come up last week, that's

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 3>where we would have been.

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 5>And because it's so special to me, and it's such

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 5>a sick house and I just love it, and she

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 5>had so much fun there, and I've got so many

0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 5>memories and amazing videos there, and I just hope that

0:55:57.800 --> 0:55:59.279
<v Speaker 5>she remembers that. But she's two and a half, so

0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 5>she probably won't. But I just have in my like

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 5>little thing that we're going to keep driving past that

0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 5>street and I'm gonna be like, that's our first house.

0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 5>That's our first house, and.

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 3>She's gonna be like yeah, da da and always feel

0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:09.479
<v Speaker 3>like that's home.

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 5>But I'm now in this little flat and for like

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 5>a month or two, and then I'm going to move

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 5>into this other house, and I think, like Rummy and

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:19.920
<v Speaker 5>I are is home to Minnie.

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.399
<v Speaker 3>And she's like obsessed with the dog.

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 5>She's unfortunately got to be a mummy's girl because she

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 5>doesn't have a dad, and well a dads here.

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 3>And I just think that what she I hope that

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:36.920
<v Speaker 3>she remembers from home is just yummy food, warm cuddles.

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 5>Energy, like good welcoming energy, like come and be who

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:41.920
<v Speaker 5>you want here, like this is your safe place and

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:45.760
<v Speaker 5>no matter where we are, Like my dad lived in Sydney.

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:47.480
<v Speaker 3>He passed away a year after Chump died.

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.960
<v Speaker 5>But me and Chump like say, if we had an

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 5>engagement party down there or whatever, I'd never tell my

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:54.440
<v Speaker 5>dad we were going. I just like me and Chump

0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 5>would fly down or drive down or whatever, and we'd

0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:58.920
<v Speaker 5>rock up at Dad's with all our suitcases and I'd

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 5>just be like like run into his house. My dad

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:02.840
<v Speaker 5>just scare the shit out of him, and he'd be

0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:04.719
<v Speaker 5>like fuck, yeah, Ellie, like you're here, come my god,

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 5>and we'd dump our bags and be like, Dad just

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:09.680
<v Speaker 5>got to go to this party quickly, we're running late,

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 5>run out the door, and he'd just like.

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you cool, do whatever you need to do.

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 5>Like he was just so cruisy. He didn't expect anything.

0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 5>He was just like, fuck, I'm so glad you can

0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 5>rock up with your bags. You don't even need to

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 5>tell me.

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:22.640
<v Speaker 3>And of course you know this is your home and

0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 3>you're welcome.

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 5>And dadda and Trump was always like I can't believe

0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 5>you can just like fucking lob up, say hardy your

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 5>dad for two seconds, just hug him and walk back

0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:33.520
<v Speaker 5>out the door and not have to sit there and

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 5>have tea and chats for hours on end. And he's

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 5>happy with that. And then you know, go to this

0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 5>party and then come back and then we'll have a big,

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 5>fat day with dad tomorrow.

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:43.959
<v Speaker 3>But like he was just so cruisy and just wanted

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:45.960
<v Speaker 3>us to just do us and be happy.

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 5>And sometimes I'd go to my dad's and literally just

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 5>be like, Dad, I just needed to get away and

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 5>have a nap or something.

0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 3>And I'd fucking just lie on his couch and don't

0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 3>even talk.

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 5>To him and sleep, And like, I just always felt

0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 5>so comfortable going to Dad's and that was my happy

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 5>place and my place where I didn't have to be anything.

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 5>I didn't have to put on a fucking show or

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, be all like, hey, daddy into the you know,

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 5>like I didn't have to suck up to my dad

0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:09.800
<v Speaker 5>at all.

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Like he was just like stoked for me to just

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 3>go and be me. And that's what I want. That

0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 3>was the longest answer ever.

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 4>That's good.

0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:18.760
<v Speaker 3>That's what I want for me. I don't want her

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 3>to think.

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.200
<v Speaker 5>When she comes back with her fucking boyfriends or whatever

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.280
<v Speaker 5>and has to visit mom's hay house. I don't want

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 5>her to think she has to, like, you know, be

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 5>on her best behavior or put on some face or

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:29.960
<v Speaker 5>be like, you know.

0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:32.960
<v Speaker 3>It's still like that. I love her and I'm proud

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:34.240
<v Speaker 3>of her no matter what she's doing.

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 5>And I felt that so much from my dad. I

0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:39.520
<v Speaker 5>didn't have to I could go and look so disheveled

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 5>and hungover and be stewing, and my dad would be

0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:43.200
<v Speaker 5>so frothing.

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:44.200
<v Speaker 3>To see me and take me in.

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 4>And that's amazing.

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, some parents are a bit judgy, ah yeah yeah,

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.160
<v Speaker 3>and not looking at mine.

0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:53.960
<v Speaker 1>A bloody delight.

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, And thank you for having us.

0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.960
<v Speaker 1>We've crashed into your floor, your living room, yeah, so

0:58:59.160 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>thank you for having that.

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Thanks thanks so much.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be able to get out, it's

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 3>got to break them back.

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:06.120
<v Speaker 4>In your Matt's going to have to lift me out.

0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 4>But it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 4>having us in your house and welcoming us into your world.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much, guys for having me. It's been such

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<v Speaker 3>a good chat.

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<v Speaker 4>I did need to wash my hands at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first time I've done a podcast where I've

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<v Speaker 1>had to deal with an animal. Came one to me

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<v Speaker 1>strong at the start, talking about a dog here, and

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<v Speaker 1>then quickly made its way over to ash and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like a glands over it. You making out with a dog.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mind a good tongue lashes on the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And shout out to elid for letting us crash into

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<v Speaker 1>a house.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did get stuck on the floor. When you

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<v Speaker 2>see the socials of this, we filmed it while sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor. I've got a bad knee and someone had.

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<v Speaker 6>To help me out.

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<v Speaker 1>Elidie was like, you, guys might be a bit uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>because we record for like an hour and a bit

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<v Speaker 1>and we're both going no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty five minutes in Pins and Needles, couldn't feel the

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<v Speaker 1>left side of my body.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized my midway through that.

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<v Speaker 1>Heyvid, if you've enjoyed this episode, we would love it

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<v Speaker 1>if you subscribe, shared, or reviewed on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you have any other parents you want Matt

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<v Speaker 2>and I to interview, We'll try our best.

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<v Speaker 4>We will promise you that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can email us at hello at two Doting

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<v Speaker 2>Dads dot com, or you can dms at the two

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<v Speaker 2>Doting Dads Instagram page or before Matt yells at me

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<v Speaker 2>again yells at me, there's one more thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go onto the Facebook groups hype in two

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<v Speaker 2>Doting Dads and join the chat with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Shall we get out here, Let's go Buddy's Chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country

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<v Speaker 1>throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.

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<v Speaker 2>We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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<v Speaker 2>and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torrestraight on

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<v Speaker 2>the People's Today. This episode was recorded on Gatego Land