Speaker 1: Ah, another day, another bonus episode to gift our listeners.
Speaker 2: Ash Yes, Matt's I love it and guess who we've
Speaker 2: got on today's bonus. Let me just play your quick
Speaker 2: little sneak peek if you don't mind.
Speaker 3: Yay, guys, let's go.
Speaker 1: It is Elodipulling.
Speaker 4: What a bloody ray of sunshine she is.
Speaker 1: She's the kind of person where you just want to
Speaker 1: be a best mate.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: And if you're not familiar with Elidie, she's the co
Speaker 2: host of a very popular podcast called Darling Shine, along
Speaker 2: with Chloe Fisher, who is married to the Fisher. So
Speaker 2: Elidie's a model, she's an author, and of course her
Speaker 2: mum to little Minnie Alex Chump.
Speaker 1: Minnie is a beautiful kid who looks just like her
Speaker 1: father Chumpy. How she was conceived is something that is
Speaker 1: very unique but extremely beautiful. Ash.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the middle of twenty twenty, sadly, Chumpy died in
Speaker 2: a tragic spearfishing accident off the coast of Palm Beach.
Speaker 4: On that same.
Speaker 2: Day, Elidie lost the love of her life, but her
Speaker 2: future as a mother was saved.
Speaker 1: Despite the immense loss, Leddy has shown incredible strength and
Speaker 1: resilience in managing motherhood on her own, providing a loving
Speaker 1: and nurturing environment for her daughter.
Speaker 4: ELDI faces the same challenges that you and I do. Matt,
Speaker 4: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the dummy. Also a biting child as well.
Speaker 6: Shall we get into it, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
Speaker 1: I'm Mattie Jay, I'm Ash.
Speaker 3: And I'm Eliti Pulan. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
Speaker 1: it is the bad and the relatable. And Ash and
Speaker 1: I don't give any advice. Led have you got any
Speaker 1: advice to give today? I know pressure if you do it, it.
Speaker 4: Could be accidental.
Speaker 5: And don't have a big night a few days before
Speaker 5: you're going to record, because I've lost my voice and
Speaker 5: I sound yeah.
Speaker 4: I saw that story. I was like, was it Sunday night?
Speaker 2: My wife goes, look you, I was coming up and
Speaker 2: she's like she lost a voice. I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not till wednesday. I'm sure it'll be fine. And then
Speaker 2: I think we spoke about it Monday. And then I
Speaker 2: saw a story and I think you were talking.
Speaker 4: I'm like oh, we can work with that.
Speaker 1: Your voices bounced back.
Speaker 5: It has Actually, yeah, no, I literally couldn't speak on Monday.
Speaker 5: But I literally forgot that we were doing this. So
Speaker 5: you're lucky because I might have been like, hey, guys
Speaker 5: to cancel.
Speaker 1: Well, you gave us a message a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: and we thought that message was going to be the
Speaker 1: one to say, sorry, yeah, we can't do it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to postpone it.
Speaker 3: This okay, this is how take a literate I am?
Speaker 5: Is this the one where I was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 5: I've just moved to a new place and I don't
Speaker 5: have internet, So do you want me to hire a
Speaker 5: studio or something like that?
Speaker 3: And your beautiful.
Speaker 5: Producer Jess was like, yeah, so we're flying up to
Speaker 5: you and we're bringing our equipment and I was like yeah,
Speaker 5: and I'm just telling you I don't have internet, and
Speaker 5: she's like, we're bringing the equipment and.
Speaker 3: I was like, and I don't have internet. She's like,
Speaker 3: and we.
Speaker 5: Don't need it because I'm just going to press play
Speaker 5: and uploaded later.
Speaker 3: And I was like, fuck you. I have my own
Speaker 3: podcast and you think I would know this.
Speaker 4: You're always not in charge of the Wi Fi. All
Speaker 4: the tech is gear in your podcast.
Speaker 3: I asked Chloe last night, I go, is that not normal?
Speaker 5: And she goes, I always like, we always have to
Speaker 5: have Wi Fi when we record, but we're pretty it's random.
Speaker 3: You guys have a good setup.
Speaker 1: Don't mind me. I'm not sure if you're going to
Speaker 1: hear this. I'm being licked by your dog, which I'm enjoying.
Speaker 1: That's just tasting the smashed abbot from this morning. Yeah, Elidi,
Speaker 1: when you were a youngster, a little kid, if you will,
Speaker 1: what were you like and were you different to how
Speaker 1: you are now?
Speaker 5: M I reckon, I'm actually I think I'm actually pretty
Speaker 5: similar to now im Like I said to my mum,
Speaker 5: I think recently, I'm like, fuck, why is Minnie so.
Speaker 3: Annoying my kid?
Speaker 5: Like she must have been having like she must have
Speaker 5: been a pest that day or.
Speaker 3: Just wasn't stopped.
Speaker 5: I was like, mean, he's so annoying, and Mom's like, yep,
Speaker 5: you were the exact same.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my dog's being annoying too right now.
Speaker 5: Rummy, Sorry, I can hear her yapping in the background,
Speaker 5: but yeah, mom was my arm so she can keep
Speaker 5: keep the licking.
Speaker 3: Going keep that pat up.
Speaker 5: No, but mom was like she always gives me this
Speaker 5: look like you were the exact same, And I'm like,
Speaker 5: how annoying? Like I keep saying sorry to my mom,
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, sorry, because she also did it alone
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: Her and my dad divorce when I was like one
Speaker 5: or something and we were full time with mum. So
Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, sorry, mum, and she had two of us.
Speaker 3: It's not easy.
Speaker 1: It's not until you have kids that you then look
Speaker 1: back and you're like, I am so sorry to my parents.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I put you through hell.
Speaker 5: So much respect for them all of a sudden, like
Speaker 5: I'm so much nicer to my mom these days.
Speaker 2: And my mom says the same thing about my son.
Speaker 2: I'm like, god, why was he shut up? And she's like, that's.
Speaker 4: You, mate, that's what you were like when you're exactly
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah annoying, Oh yeah yeah yeah?
Speaker 4: Were you the were you the class clown? Would you say?
Speaker 5: I was like I was always yeah, I was always
Speaker 5: getting what do we do about my dog?
Speaker 3: Should I just hear? Come here? Come here, just sit here. Sorry?
Speaker 3: She's like maybe she needs to be on me. Sit sorry, Okay,
Speaker 3: I think she might chill now.
Speaker 5: I was always the one getting sent out in class,
Speaker 5: like I was, And funnily enough, i'd like just for
Speaker 5: talking and just like my attentions, but I definitely have
Speaker 5: ADHD and I just can't, you know, get And.
Speaker 3: Then I'd get sent out of class.
Speaker 5: And I remember a few times in primary school I'd
Speaker 5: get sent out and I'd look to the classroom next
Speaker 5: to me, and my brother would.
Speaker 3: Also be sitting outside looking at it. You're like, fuck
Speaker 3: not again.
Speaker 1: So growing up, did you always think I want to
Speaker 1: be a mom, I want to have a family.
Speaker 3: Yes, I always wanted kids.
Speaker 5: I think I thought I was probably more maternal than
Speaker 5: what I actually am.
Speaker 3: Like, I am such a touch person.
Speaker 5: I love cuddles and I'm like super warm and friendly
Speaker 5: and like fuzzy and shit. But like sometimes with Mini,
Speaker 5: I'm like, get off me. I'm so done with being
Speaker 5: touched sometimes. Nah, that newborn phase is everything. And yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I grew up like around kids a lot,
Speaker 5: And yeah, I always knew I wanted to be a mum.
Speaker 1: I think it's a big difference so between like being
Speaker 1: young and thinking you want to have a big family
Speaker 1: and then you actually start having kids, and you're like,
Speaker 1: holy shit.
Speaker 4: Why am I so tired all the time. It's like I.
Speaker 5: Think a lot of kids when they're like in primary
Speaker 5: school or whatever, they always look to their teachers.
Speaker 3: And they're like, one day, I want to be a
Speaker 3: school teacher.
Speaker 5: Like I definitely had that, and now I'm like, I
Speaker 5: could not think of anything fucking worse way to do it.
Speaker 3: I dropped Minnie off and I'm like, catch you later.
Speaker 1: You would laugh. I know sometimes when I when I
Speaker 1: pick up the kids from daycare, I'm like, I just
Speaker 1: feel like I should give them a hug.
Speaker 2: It's going to be okay. They're all real young and sprightly.
Speaker 2: Most of the time. They're like in the early twenties.
Speaker 2: I find then there's like the odd older one who's
Speaker 2: just cranky.
Speaker 4: It's just cranky. Now I get it around twenty of
Speaker 4: them every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, people always say that the kind of cliche. You know,
Speaker 1: when you stop trying to find someone, you know, when
Speaker 1: you put that to the back of your mind, that's
Speaker 1: when you'll meet the person for yourself. Were you in
Speaker 1: a phase when you met Chumpy? Were you like I'm
Speaker 1: looking for someone, or were you just like, no, running
Speaker 1: your own, enjoying your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: See, I was like twenty or like just turning twenty,
Speaker 5: and I was so young and like I always wanted kids,
Speaker 5: but I wasn't like frothing to have them at twenty one.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, five years or whatever.
Speaker 5: So I was just so keen to just be like
Speaker 5: in love and run around the world and.
Speaker 3: Just like travel and have fun, and like kids was
Speaker 3: not on my mind.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 1: Did you want to be in a relationship when you're yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm I love this guy, like I'll
Speaker 5: be I want to be with him forever.
Speaker 3: Hopefully this is the guy I'm with. Hopefully this is
Speaker 3: the guy I do have kids with.
Speaker 5: But I was like, we need to go spend so
Speaker 5: many years having fun first, you know. But we did
Speaker 5: start trying for our baby when I was like twenty six,
Speaker 5: so we moved up to the gold Coat. We spent
Speaker 5: like five years down in Sydney and then moved up
Speaker 5: here when I was about twenty six. And as soon
Speaker 5: as we bought this hot like my house up here
Speaker 5: that I'd just sold where he started trying for a baby,
Speaker 5: we got a dog and we were all like, yay,
Speaker 5: this is out the next like chat date.
Speaker 1: Who approached the conversation first of like, let's have kids. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I was probably keen like a year earlier
Speaker 5: to start trying, and he was really career focused and
Speaker 5: he had seen like his best mate have babies while
Speaker 5: also snowboarding, because Chump was a snowboarder who traveled the
Speaker 5: world snowboarding and he'd seen his best mate do that,
Speaker 5: and he was like, I just if I'm having a kid,
Speaker 5: I want to be full time.
Speaker 2: He was away like a lots at a time because of.
Speaker 4: Winter and seasons.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was always like, if we're having kids, I
Speaker 5: want to be one hundred percent like retire and fully
Speaker 5: like on you and the kid and not traveling and stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we were trying up until like he was like,
Speaker 5: we're new full pregnant, that's when I'll retire kind of thing.
Speaker 5: So so yeah, but he was like getting to the
Speaker 5: tail end of his career anyway, and he was ready
Speaker 5: ready to retire.
Speaker 3: So we were like, just yeah, having a crat.
Speaker 2: So I just want to tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about where you met Chumpy and how you felt when
Speaker 2: you first met it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you're Worrywood my dad lived in Worrywood.
Speaker 5: I also grew up in Worrywood, but my mom lived
Speaker 5: in Narraban, which is a suburb next to Oriwood. So
Speaker 5: I would like, me and my bro would like have
Speaker 5: dinner at mom's and we lived with our stepdad at
Speaker 5: the time, and then we'd have dinner, and then I'd
Speaker 5: literally go for a run at night to my dad's,
Speaker 5: go see him, have like dessert with him or whatever,
Speaker 5: and then run back. That's how close my families lived
Speaker 5: like in the suburbs next to each other.
Speaker 3: Chump, he was coming to Sydney a lot.
Speaker 5: He's from Victoria, but he was coming to Sydney a
Speaker 5: lot to train with that Nate that I was telling
Speaker 5: you about before.
Speaker 3: He's best friend from.
Speaker 5: Snowboarding, because I grew up with Nate. He lived in
Speaker 5: Mona Vale and like the next suburb over again. Chump
Speaker 5: was kind of in peripher all like circles. Like we
Speaker 5: had like a big girl group and there was a
Speaker 5: big guy. We always just hung in the same circles.
Speaker 5: We always knew each other. He actually always had a
Speaker 5: girlfriend who was overseas in Bulgaria and I yeah, so
Speaker 5: he already did long distance and.
Speaker 1: Break up already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I didn't even know howd a girlfriend actually
Speaker 5: it was like a fan. Well, no, they were in
Speaker 5: a serious, really nice, beautiful relationship, but she was like overseas,
Speaker 5: so he'd always come back. We'd be like, oh, that
Speaker 5: hot snowboarder guy's back kind of thing. But I always
Speaker 5: had a boyfriend too, So then me and him broke up.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, it was Laura en Ofver's twenty first birthday,
Speaker 5: who's one of my best friends. And he came and
Speaker 5: I was recently single, and I was like not thinking,
Speaker 5: like I was still gutted from my last relationship ending,
Speaker 5: and yeah he was there, and I think him and
Speaker 5: his cheek were like finishing up. Yeah, we hooked up,
Speaker 5: and I was just like just we would just kind
Speaker 5: of instantly obsessed, right.
Speaker 1: As people say opposites attract, but you guys opposite.
Speaker 3: Or we're opposites. We are opposites for sure.
Speaker 5: He's a very like i'd say, really smart, got his
Speaker 5: head on his shoulders, driven kind of careery, kind of
Speaker 5: like I on the prize, like very focused and perfectionist vibe.
Speaker 5: And I'm really blase, like whatever goes goes, like I'm cruising.
Speaker 5: I'm not thinking too hard. I'm not thinking too hard
Speaker 5: about tomorrow. I think about that tomorrow morning, like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. It works because he definitely made
Speaker 5: me go, okay, ship, what am I doing? Okay, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna start UNI and don't know, I got think about
Speaker 5: my life and what I'm doing and like.
Speaker 3: Get my shit together a bit. And then I definitely
Speaker 3: made him go.
Speaker 5: Fucking alas, like have a drink and have a lot,
Speaker 5: Like he was like always chilling and happy, but like loosener.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, and I think a lot.
Speaker 5: Of people think typical snowbody is probably.
Speaker 3: A bong head, probably just probably just like.
Speaker 5: People just thought he was like yeah, just hell cruisy
Speaker 5: and just like this athlete, just a hell grungy dude,
Speaker 5: like a dude do.
Speaker 3: And he's not that at all.
Speaker 5: More intelligent, super super intelligent, like doesn't switch off super
Speaker 5: forward thinking business.
Speaker 4: I'd say, when.
Speaker 1: It comes to trying for kids, apparently I don't know this,
Speaker 1: but it does pay to adhere to a schedule, Yes,
Speaker 1: to try it certain times of the month. Who was
Speaker 1: leading the charge anybody? Yeah, it's all over it.
Speaker 4: He wants to know who was ovulating.
Speaker 3: He was definitely in check with like all right, what's
Speaker 3: happening now? Like what day are we up to?
Speaker 5: And shit, and like he was really excited to be
Speaker 5: like I'm coming home.
Speaker 3: I have in my head.
Speaker 5: I actually don't think this is true, but I feel like.
Speaker 3: This is just maybe.
Speaker 5: I'm like not, I'm not someone that thinks about sex
Speaker 5: twenty four fucking seven, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm actually not like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like guys do, like some a lot
Speaker 5: of guys do. He'd just always be like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 5: are you on?
Speaker 3: Like are you? Like?
Speaker 5: Are we on this week? Like I'm coming home and
Speaker 5: I'm like, fucking oath, We're on, Like I can't wait
Speaker 5: to see you. Let's just bang.
Speaker 3: But like on on those particular weeks, he'd be extra.
Speaker 5: Stoked, you know yeah, and then I'd be like after that,
Speaker 5: fuck and I need a don't come here, you're going
Speaker 5: back over nah?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 5: I mean like that's the beauty of long distance, right.
Speaker 5: It's funny because if I get into another relationship ever
Speaker 5: one day, I don't really want long distance, but I
Speaker 5: do look back and just absolutely love the whole like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, they are away, you miss them, You're
Speaker 5: fucking lusting for them, and they get back, You're like,
Speaker 5: fuck yeah, Like I can't wait to just like hug
Speaker 5: and ship and see you.
Speaker 1: It's exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it always exciting.
Speaker 1: You're canning down. It's almost like, you know, yeah, the
Speaker 1: adult Christmas were like I get to see them in
Speaker 1: a week and two nights and then you have a
Speaker 1: little window together. Yeah. Sometimes I mean now like Laura
Speaker 1: and I will be on the couch and I'll just
Speaker 1: be scrolling on my phone, yeah, because we're just you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely, you definitely cherish the time that you
Speaker 5: have with each other, and you're like, you know, they're
Speaker 5: going in three days, You're not.
Speaker 3: You're like fucking making the most of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you're crying at the airport, but then
Speaker 5: you're like actually loving this space, get to get piece
Speaker 5: with the girls and just half my moment and coming back.
Speaker 1: Yes, how long were you trying for until you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: why isn't it happening?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we were nearly we were trying for nearly
Speaker 5: a year, but I'd already been on the forefront and
Speaker 5: going to my doctor going I mean, I reckon heaps.
Speaker 5: The chicks think this, Oh my god. As soon as
Speaker 5: I go off the pill, We're just going to fall
Speaker 5: pregnant straight away.
Speaker 3: So like yeah, I was like, yeah, so I was
Speaker 3: like four months in. Why the fuck am I not
Speaker 3: pregnant yet? So go to the doctor.
Speaker 5: We do my am H testing, which we talk about
Speaker 5: a lot of Yeah, so this is a you guys
Speaker 5: have lots of girl listeners. Yeah, yeah, Okay, we talk
Speaker 5: about this is really helpful on our podcast.
Speaker 3: We talk about this a lot.
Speaker 5: So if you're a young girl you want to start
Speaker 5: trying for a baby and it's not working or whatever,
Speaker 5: get this tested as early on as you can. And
Speaker 5: a lot of doctors don't just do it. You kind
Speaker 5: of really have to ask. So it's called getting your
Speaker 5: am H tested, and they're your it's like your amount
Speaker 5: of eggs or your level of eggs.
Speaker 3: OK.
Speaker 5: So we got mind tested and you have to do
Speaker 5: the blood test at a certain time in your cycle
Speaker 5: or whatever. And it showed that I So I was
Speaker 5: like twenty six or seven at the time, and my
Speaker 5: AMH was really low. The number was like two or three,
Speaker 5: which it probably should have been like fifteen, and it
Speaker 5: was on the scale. It was showing that I was
Speaker 5: like close like my biological whatever was close to me
Speaker 5: being like thirty eight or something rather than like twenty
Speaker 5: eight or twenty seven. Okay, and it but what it
Speaker 5: doesn't show is so don't want that to scare anyone,
Speaker 5: because what it showed is my egg account was really
Speaker 5: low for my age, and you can't grow more eggs.
Speaker 5: So what you have is you're born with eggs and
Speaker 5: each month you lose them, so you don't get more.
Speaker 5: But the quality of them was really high. So that's
Speaker 5: what we found out later when I started to do IVF. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so you can have really high egg count but really
Speaker 5: shit quality eggs, which is why a lot of people
Speaker 5: miscarriage a lot or I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 5: speak too much. I'm not a doctor obviously, but that's
Speaker 5: when my doctor was like, you know what, this is
Speaker 5: kind of unfortunate for your age. You have a really
Speaker 5: low egg count. Turns out, my best friend Chloe, who
Speaker 5: I do the podcast with, has had it, also has
Speaker 5: a really low egg count.
Speaker 3: Strange.
Speaker 5: She was like, you know what, keep trying till the
Speaker 5: rest of the year and then let's start thinking about
Speaker 5: freezing your eggs. You're still really young, but let's start
Speaker 5: thinking about doing IVF and freezing them.
Speaker 3: And shit.
Speaker 5: Then but Chump passed away like a month later, after
Speaker 5: we found out that my egg count was low. So
Speaker 5: I yeah, I did go on and do IVF and
Speaker 5: like have his baby later. But yeah, I didn't really
Speaker 5: imagine i'd be doing that. I I did think i'd
Speaker 5: be doing IVF, but I didn't think i'd be doing
Speaker 5: it alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you mentioned Chump passing, and I do want
Speaker 1: to say I'm sorry. It's it's when when you hear
Speaker 1: about your story, you're like, fucking breaks my heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so tragic. One of the really unique things about
Speaker 1: your story is that in a moment where you're dealing
Speaker 1: with unimaginable grief, you're then trying to digest that, but
Speaker 1: then at the same time, this idea pops up that hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we can extract sperm. Who had that idea?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think someone said to me, like like
Speaker 5: pretty early on, like fuck, maybe you're pregnant right now,
Speaker 5: and like, I don't know. I just I think that
Speaker 5: just went completely over my head. I was like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, Chump's just like not alive right now. That's
Speaker 5: the weirdest thing ever, Like I don't know it. Like
Speaker 5: in the first, like yeah, like probably like on the day,
Speaker 5: on the day, perhaps, yeah, Like I don't know, everyone
Speaker 5: knew we were trying for a baby. So every month
Speaker 5: my friend's like, how you go, Are you're pregnant?
Speaker 3: Like you know, it was like that. So the girl's like, fuck,
Speaker 3: what if you're pregnant?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh, just what a weird fucking thought,
Speaker 5: Like I still don't even believe that jump He's not
Speaker 5: here and it's been nearly four years.
Speaker 3: Like it was just such a state of shock.
Speaker 5: But my friend Laura Ane, who we actually met at
Speaker 5: her party, I was just telling you about she had
Speaker 5: heard of her friend's partner passing and her friends saying overseas,
Speaker 5: this was a story that happened overseas, and her friends saying,
Speaker 5: I wish I got his sperm so that we could
Speaker 5: have more babies because they she was pregnant when he
Speaker 5: passed and stuff, and she wanted more. And so she
Speaker 5: said to my mum and my brother and Chloe, Hey,
Speaker 5: you know you can like retrieve sperm. This, Like I
Speaker 5: don't think it's that common, Like I hadn't I hadn't
Speaker 5: heard of it.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is the first story, like crazy, Hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: not the first time hearing it out of your mouth,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the first story I've heard where you could
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 4: I never would never think.
Speaker 5: So fucking bizarre. Like soa, my mom and Chlau started
Speaker 5: contacting the this is like they had literally flowed to
Speaker 5: the idea with me, and I was like, not in
Speaker 5: any state to be talking to, but I literally was.
Speaker 5: They were like, do you want us to look into
Speaker 5: it? It was kind of just like I don't. I just said, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know, fuck go away, like yes whatever.
Speaker 1: Did you know that time was so important?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: I didn't know at the time. I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like what are we even talking about
Speaker 5: right now? Like I've just died, like such a do
Speaker 5: you know what.
Speaker 3: My friend Laura?
Speaker 5: Yes, So Laura had mentioned the idea, and then Chloe
Speaker 5: and my mum were like, what the fuck are you
Speaker 5: talking about?
Speaker 3: That's so weird. Like no, they kind of like were
Speaker 3: like just shut up, like just brush it.
Speaker 5: And then she was like she kept pushing and she
Speaker 5: was like no, no, this is like yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. Oh, you guys to regret this later,
Speaker 3: and you have to do it now. This is the
Speaker 3: story that.
Speaker 5: I know later. I wasn't privy to this these conversations
Speaker 5: at the time.
Speaker 4: You know, I've met Laura before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy for her, like just having a
Speaker 2: place of mind to go, Okay, well everyone's grieving for
Speaker 2: the loss of someone here and then to go. But
Speaker 2: there's something that we could get out of this. I
Speaker 2: know for me, i'd be like, should I say anything?
Speaker 4: It's so brave of her to say something.
Speaker 5: And it's so admirable as well. Actually, because she was
Speaker 5: a really close friend of Chumps. The loss of Chump
Speaker 5: really affected her. So for her to switch into this
Speaker 5: like no, this is like almost just being so realistic
Speaker 5: and having to I don't know, have those conversations, and
Speaker 5: I think she knows me so well and was like,
Speaker 5: you guys are trying for a baby.
Speaker 3: I think this is something you should do.
Speaker 5: And she was really pushing for it, knowing that if
Speaker 5: we didn't do it now, it's something I could regret later.
Speaker 3: Like I just couldn't imagine if my kid wasn't here,
Speaker 3: what the fuck?
Speaker 1: But your family started then making the phone calls and
Speaker 1: started digging around to see like the process of how
Speaker 1: it happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, so like.
Speaker 5: Chump's family was in town too, and we're all like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know, like yes, just have a look into
Speaker 5: it kind of thing. And then Chloe and my mum
Speaker 5: started making calls. So there was this lawyer that they called.
Speaker 5: They happened to call and he had Weirdly, there was
Speaker 5: like one other case maybe there's a few, but there
Speaker 5: was one in other case recently ish in Australia, in
Speaker 5: Queensland that this had happened. The guy had died and
Speaker 5: Aila Creswell is the story. I googled it and stuff.
Speaker 5: She had done this and through this particular lawyer, which
Speaker 5: is so random that we found him.
Speaker 3: Now we were chatting to him. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've just done this.
Speaker 4: It's like this weird, so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you need a lawyer? Can you give
Speaker 1: consent as.
Speaker 5: The partner or Chumpy's parents also had to sign something too,
Speaker 5: from I think from memory, yes, So the lawyer had
Speaker 5: to just put in paperwork stuff, and then for the
Speaker 5: coroners to go in and like actually do the procedure.
Speaker 4: They must cover a whole bunch of differences.
Speaker 2: Yes, in case something really bad happens to you or
Speaker 2: something really bad happens in the process, and then there's
Speaker 2: there can be you know, the family can feel short
Speaker 2: change here or there or whatever it might be. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure having a solicitor involve is probably the best
Speaker 2: way forward to.
Speaker 4: Get everyone consent in one place. Too.
Speaker 3: I'm not so all over the legalities.
Speaker 5: I feel like this question comes up a lot and
Speaker 5: I really should know, and I just fucking don't.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to know about it.
Speaker 5: It's like, she's here, you're not taking her away, and
Speaker 5: that's that I don't care about.
Speaker 1: One of the crazy things is that they say the
Speaker 1: window is about thirty six hours. Yes, did you know
Speaker 1: the exact time?
Speaker 3: Not really.
Speaker 5: I remember the doctor who actually was having a day
Speaker 5: off that day and Chloe was cold calling doctors and
Speaker 5: the receptionist.
Speaker 3: Was like, there's this.
Speaker 5: This was like the fifth doctor she'd called, by the way,
Speaker 5: And the receptionist like, he's not in today, but this
Speaker 5: is really interesting thing that you're asking me, and he
Speaker 5: loves learning, so I'm going to ask him.
Speaker 3: Blah blah. He came in on his day off.
Speaker 5: It was actually nighttime that night, and he went into
Speaker 5: the coronie and with the morgue and stuff, and anyway,
Speaker 5: did the procedump on the yeah, in the thirty seventh hour,
Speaker 5: and he I remember him saying, time's so sensitive, you
Speaker 5: have to legally do it within a certain amount of hours.
Speaker 5: Where he got there justin and Niculd time, like into
Speaker 5: the last hour or something, but his sperm was so
Speaker 5: healthy or whatever, and there was some wriggling around still,
Speaker 5: So like he's like, yeah, IVF in general is like
Speaker 5: always a risk and like it might not work, but
Speaker 5: he's like, I just have a good feeling about it.
Speaker 5: I saw them, like, you know, being healthy and wriggling
Speaker 5: and moving, and so he was really happy with the
Speaker 5: sample that he retrieved quite late in the piece. But
Speaker 5: he did tell me that the sperm can survive in
Speaker 5: someone's body a week after they've passed, but legally supposed
Speaker 5: to get it within the first like two days or whatever.
Speaker 3: Wow, fun facts, guys, I know.
Speaker 2: And I know like it was such like a turbocharge
Speaker 2: couple of days. Obviously, with everything happening on, your emotions
Speaker 2: are high and low everywhere. I can't imagine. Do you
Speaker 2: remember in that moment how that made you feel? That
Speaker 2: that had distracted it? And he had said I have
Speaker 2: a good feeling about this.
Speaker 5: Honestly, at the time, I wasn't thinking babies anymore.
Speaker 3: I was just like, what the fuck? How am I
Speaker 3: going to survive this day?
Speaker 5: And tomorrow and the next day, Like every day at
Speaker 5: that point felt like a freaking mountain mount Everest that
Speaker 5: I had to climb to like survive and go to
Speaker 5: bed that night and figure out how I was going
Speaker 5: to sleep that night. Like those early days, you're not thinking.
Speaker 5: I was like proper in so much shock. I was
Speaker 5: actually just not thinking honestly, for like six months.
Speaker 1: How long was it before you thought, okay, well and like,
Speaker 1: excuse my ignorance here, but you have to go into
Speaker 1: the clinic. I'm mashine, do you have to have they
Speaker 1: already got eggs already?
Speaker 3: Oh, they didn't have eggs.
Speaker 5: So it was about six months after he passed away,
Speaker 5: and like I think, I just woke up one day.
Speaker 5: I guess the idea that we had his sperm was
Speaker 5: always somewhat in the back of my head, but like,
Speaker 5: actually not. I don't think I really thought I was
Speaker 5: going to go through with it alone. But one day
Speaker 5: I just woke up and felt so strongly about it.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, let's make the appointment.
Speaker 5: Let's chat to this IVF guy and just see how
Speaker 5: that feels. And I went in there with my mum
Speaker 5: and he was like I remember for him saying. I
Speaker 5: think he said something like it'll probably be a thirty
Speaker 5: percent chance that will pull this off kind.
Speaker 3: Of thing, and I don't know. I went away.
Speaker 5: We thought about it, and I think it just felt right.
Speaker 5: So he passed away in July twenty twenty. December twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: I did my first transfer and then I was actually
Speaker 5: down in hat Head with some friends for New Year's Eve,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I had I had the transfer in me
Speaker 5: and I actually missed like no, I don't want to
Speaker 5: say miscarried, but the embryo didn't stick. So IVF had
Speaker 5: failed essentially, and I saw it come out of me
Speaker 5: when I peed, like just like a bit of blood
Speaker 5: and shit like bit of stuff coming out, and I
Speaker 5: was like, fuck, I think that's the little embryo coming out.
Speaker 5: And then I and then that night was news Eve
Speaker 5: and I can't even tell you how freaking depressed I
Speaker 5: was waking up on that. So that would have been
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, the News' day. I was like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, I feel like twenty twenty is now over.
Speaker 5: Chump was here in twenty twenty and now we're going
Speaker 5: into twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: He's like just gone, like I'm lead him behind.
Speaker 5: And then I was like, I've also lost this baby,
Speaker 5: and I just like I really thought this, this is
Speaker 5: gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So Baby's gone.
Speaker 5: That had gone out of my life, and then New
Speaker 5: Year was starting, Chump wasn't here.
Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck is life? And like
Speaker 3: I was so down. I couldn't tell you how you
Speaker 3: get out of it.
Speaker 5: You just have to get on with it and put
Speaker 5: one foot food and like.
Speaker 3: There's just no option.
Speaker 5: You just got to keep going, like you just you
Speaker 5: just have to get through each day.
Speaker 3: Some days feel like they go on forever.
Speaker 5: I used to get scared for nighttime because I'd be like,
Speaker 5: how am I going to sleep? Got back from hat
Speaker 5: Head and I was like, cool, doctor, it didn't work
Speaker 5: out my periods here, what happens?
Speaker 3: Should we try again? Blah blah? He advised.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was very much like, let's just
Speaker 5: keep going. Let's chuck the next embryo in. I had three,
Speaker 5: so I'd already done one. I was like let's just
Speaker 5: keep going. I don't want to waste any time, Like
Speaker 5: I need something to fucking look forward to in life.
Speaker 5: Right now, I'm not good and he was like, you
Speaker 5: need a month off rebalance your hormones, sought yourself out,
Speaker 5: like go, I don't know whatever. And that pissed me
Speaker 5: off listening to him, but it was probably the best
Speaker 5: thing I did. Had a month off IVF, just went
Speaker 5: and try to get through life. Came back in fairbit
Speaker 5: and did another transfer and I, yeah, my mom came
Speaker 5: in with me. I just like knew this one was
Speaker 5: going to work. I don't know, I'm not really a
Speaker 5: woo Wood person at all, but something just was like,
Speaker 5: this is my kid, this one is the one.
Speaker 3: And yep, nine months later, Mini came out. It was
Speaker 3: a girl.
Speaker 5: I didn't find out it was a girl. Found out
Speaker 5: when I had her in the birthing suite. Everyone said
Speaker 5: she was going to be a boy, and yeah she
Speaker 5: was a girl, and I knew she. I was like,
Speaker 5: I bet this is a girl. Like I need to
Speaker 5: disagree with Like I kind of wanted to be different
Speaker 5: because everyone was like, it'll be a little chumpy, and
Speaker 5: I think they wanted it to be a little chumpy,
Speaker 5: and I was like, nah, he's going to give me
Speaker 5: a little best friend.
Speaker 4: What was your pregnancy life?
Speaker 2: Do you remember anything about it that you thought, oh,
Speaker 2: fucking I hate this part of it, or something you
Speaker 2: really loved about it.
Speaker 5: I Chloe, my best friend's pregnant at the moment right now,
Speaker 5: and she's just like, get this thing out of me,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, it makes me keep thinking back to
Speaker 5: my pregnancy, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, did you have any cravings?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just ate so much just chocolate, just cheesy
Speaker 5: my scrollsese Reggie chocolate. I was real sweet and savory.
Speaker 5: I wasn't really one or the other. Oh and Parsley
Speaker 5: and like randomly just really Parsley from the like literally
Speaker 5: just fighting into it like a bloody like.
Speaker 3: Like a horse.
Speaker 1: How are you and Parsley? Now, I love.
Speaker 5: Parsley, but yeah, well I don't eat it like a
Speaker 5: horse anymore. But but I look, I think I was
Speaker 5: pretty lucky.
Speaker 3: I vomited a lot in the start.
Speaker 5: I had heaps of morning sickness, but it was all
Speaker 5: pretty funny. My friends used to think it was hilarious.
Speaker 5: So I'd be walking along the beach with them in
Speaker 5: the morning. I was like a real early rise. I
Speaker 5: mean the dog would be walking along the beach and
Speaker 5: I'd just be always spewing, like at the beach, yeah,
Speaker 5: and was finding My friends would film it.
Speaker 3: We all like they still send me videos, so like,
Speaker 3: look what I found.
Speaker 5: I'm just like I was in the main street of Brunswick,
Speaker 5: like outside the bakery, just like proper projectile vomiting in
Speaker 5: the street.
Speaker 3: My friend just sent me the video the other day.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yuck, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 4: It's funny too, because.
Speaker 1: When video I.
Speaker 3: Would, I got it. I posted the other.
Speaker 2: Because you know, pregnant women are usually they're sick in
Speaker 2: that phase where it's kind of like you can't really
Speaker 2: if you don't know them, you're an outside of looking
Speaker 2: in you can like are they just really hungover or
Speaker 2: are they actually yes.
Speaker 5: A feeling you can't describe it is like a real
Speaker 5: hungover feeling and just a flat like yeah, like I
Speaker 5: just have no energy, like I just you just feel
Speaker 5: so shit in the first few months.
Speaker 3: But overall, I do think.
Speaker 5: I got pretty lucky and had a good look at
Speaker 5: Chloe and I'm like, man, and you're uncomfortable, and I
Speaker 5: was not uncomfortable at the end.
Speaker 3: I think I'm a lot taller.
Speaker 4: I saw a video for me this morning when she
Speaker 4: was walking up on them. Yeah, and she's just like she.
Speaker 2: Just looks over it, and it's kind of like I
Speaker 2: get like my wife is like I miss being pregnant
Speaker 2: in certain certain stages. But I can imagine that that
Speaker 2: last stage and I do kind of remember what it
Speaker 2: was like when April was really uncomfortable. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: can imagine that.
Speaker 5: I keep saying to her, You're going to miss this belly,
Speaker 5: like stop wishing it away, and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, shut up.
Speaker 5: But I do miss the belly. The novelty of having
Speaker 5: that big belly is so fun.
Speaker 3: Like I just love that.
Speaker 5: I think I love everyone coming and touching it. Like
Speaker 5: some people like don't touch, like, don't touch my belly,
Speaker 5: like I do it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, come and get it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Did you go drug free?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know why it was fucked And I recommend
Speaker 5: getting the ebby drill.
Speaker 3: I reckon if I go again, I'm drugs. I want
Speaker 3: the gas. I want everything. I got nothing.
Speaker 4: It was the worst was in the hospital with you.
Speaker 4: Who was your biggest your mum was.
Speaker 2: Your biggest Because you've got such a big support network.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's met you follows you, sees you can see
Speaker 2: how much the people around you love you during that
Speaker 2: time when you were like trying after Chumpy had passed.
Speaker 2: Who who are the people that you think that you
Speaker 2: lent on the most?
Speaker 5: Yeah, my my mom, my brother and my girlfriends, and
Speaker 5: yeah they're got like I have, I love my friend's boyfriends.
Speaker 5: I've got like the strongest support network. Like I got
Speaker 5: so many girlfriends, guy friends. They were seriously like a village,
Speaker 5: Like they're all my brothers and sisters and we're so close.
Speaker 3: I'm so lucky, so.
Speaker 4: Much stuff, so isolated.
Speaker 2: I suppose having that support network you can those days
Speaker 2: when you're feeling really shit, like it's just nice to
Speaker 2: be heard by someone.
Speaker 1: How do you think for other people who may have
Speaker 1: a friend who's going through grief, what are the things
Speaker 1: that your friends did for you that really helped?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I think it is really awkward for the support givers.
Speaker 5: They don't know like what to say. Do I talk
Speaker 5: about the person? Do I not talk about the person?
Speaker 5: Do they want a distraction today?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like what do you?
Speaker 3: And I always felt really awkward for them.
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't want them feeling awkward and
Speaker 5: not wanting to hang out with me because they feel
Speaker 5: awkward because they don't know how to dance around my
Speaker 5: grief or what I'm feeling that day.
Speaker 3: But they were really.
Speaker 5: I was so open with them, and I think that's
Speaker 5: easier for them to just like feel less awkward when
Speaker 5: I'm just like I don't know, just like it's all
Speaker 5: out on the table with me kind of thing, Whereas
Speaker 5: like a lot of people would grieve a bit more
Speaker 5: privately when I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I think, just be there, just keep being there.
Speaker 5: If they don't answer the phone, just rock up, just
Speaker 5: keep texting, just like, don't give up.
Speaker 2: I feel like your honesty would really help them too.
Speaker 2: You're very sitting here next to you now, You're very
Speaker 2: honest with everything. I think that would really help a
Speaker 2: person that's feeling a little bit awkward about how do
Speaker 2: I help this person.
Speaker 5: At this start, I was pretty open with just going
Speaker 5: I'm fucking dying today, like I don't know, be here,
Speaker 5: don't be here, but like, don't even talk to me.
Speaker 5: If you're going to be here, just fucking sit there
Speaker 5: and shut up today, like I just don't feel like
Speaker 5: chatting or.
Speaker 3: I was probably really open.
Speaker 5: I think I used to be good at communicating my
Speaker 5: feelings and now, like last week, I just moved into
Speaker 5: this new place and I've just been really rattled and like.
Speaker 3: Privately doing it, I think.
Speaker 5: And like my friend, like Chloe, that they lived down
Speaker 5: the road and they were like walking past or whatever.
Speaker 3: And she saw me just like crying, and she's like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong? Why didn't you tell me? I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm just like I feel like.
Speaker 5: I'm not as good now at articulating my emotions and shit, Weirdly,
Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe it's more it's so much further on,
Speaker 5: and I feel I don't feel like I know it's valid,
Speaker 5: but I feel like, oh, I don't want to burden
Speaker 5: my friends with this shit still, like I know that
Speaker 5: that's not how it is, and they would never think that,
Speaker 5: but like I'm like, I know they'd be like, well,
Speaker 5: what's what's wrong, even though it could be self explainatory,
Speaker 5: and then I have to explain, like I really miss
Speaker 5: Chumpy and I've moved and this feels fucked and dah
Speaker 5: dah da da da. But like I'm like, I just
Speaker 5: think I feel. At the start, it was very much
Speaker 5: like obviously this is how I'm feeling because of X,
Speaker 5: Y and Z, And now it's like, oh, why are
Speaker 5: you so sad today?
Speaker 3: Like why are you crying?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, honestly, I'm just fucking having a moment
Speaker 5: and still still griefy shit, just lingering around and I
Speaker 5: know it's valid, but it doesn't. I don't feel like
Speaker 5: I need to, like, like, I think it surprises people
Speaker 5: more when they find me in a heap crying. They're like, oh, shit,
Speaker 5: you should have told us, and I'm like, nah, I'm
Speaker 5: just doing it on my own now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of thing.
Speaker 1: That's I think a lot of people are like that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: when you've been getting so much help for a long time,
Speaker 1: you also have a sense of like, oh I should
Speaker 1: be doing this on my own now.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think that too, And I am really an
Speaker 5: independent person, so I think it almost like I probably
Speaker 5: frustrate my friends because they're like, fuck, you don't have
Speaker 5: to do it alone. Why don't you tell us you're
Speaker 5: having such a shit time like we're here, and I'm
Speaker 5: like no, no, Like I think sometimes I need to
Speaker 5: do this alone and you're busy.
Speaker 3: You guys are getting off with your fucking lives, and.
Speaker 5: Like so am I but yeah, this and like sometimes
Speaker 5: the waves of griefs now they actually take me by
Speaker 5: surprise as well, and I'm like, fuck, this sucks, Like
Speaker 5: I just got to ride this one out and I'll
Speaker 5: do it alone because I'm going to know my friends
Speaker 5: about it right now. Like it's like a bit of
Speaker 5: a different different motions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no drugs for the child birth? Yes, sorry, oh man,
Speaker 1: for anyone who hasn't been in the room. For anyone
Speaker 1: who hasn't given birth, what's it like? And especially because
Speaker 1: I can't imagine doing that without drugs? But you're in
Speaker 1: a moment of like extreme pain. And then what's it
Speaker 1: like when you get to see your child for the
Speaker 1: first time and you get to hold them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so hang the fuck on birth.
Speaker 5: Obviously have seen it as dads, but holy Molly, like
Speaker 5: nothing prepares you for that. It is excruciating. And you
Speaker 5: have a plan, chuck that fucking plan, that plan, and
Speaker 5: it's not sticking to pot. That is so true.
Speaker 3: Like I had a plan.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like a non planning plant person, but
Speaker 5: I was like hey, I want to have it in
Speaker 5: the bath, Like I'm real zoning, I'm going to breathe
Speaker 5: through this thing. Let's have it in the bath. I
Speaker 5: couldn't even fit in the fucking barth my legs, my
Speaker 5: legs were way too long for this public hospital bath.
Speaker 5: And yeah, no, the pain I felt, I think Minnie
Speaker 5: was apparently turned the wrong way inside me and shit,
Speaker 5: and she was taking ages to come out and blah blah.
Speaker 5: My legs felt like they were going to fall off.
Speaker 5: They were numb but also killing. The pain wasn't so
Speaker 5: much in the contractions. It was more in my lower
Speaker 5: back and my legs. I remember through my contractions I
Speaker 5: was vomiting so like actually vomiting it all over me
Speaker 5: as well. My mom was the fear in my mum's
Speaker 5: face like said.
Speaker 3: It all to me.
Speaker 5: I was like, I think I'm gonna die, Like I
Speaker 5: remember saying that to her. And she had had beautiful
Speaker 5: bursts with me and my brother. She'd had really quick
Speaker 5: bursts and get the She said to me, birth is painless,
Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt. I don't know, this shouldn't matter. I
Speaker 5: don't think this matters, but like in my head, my
Speaker 5: mum is a stick. She's like a quarter of the
Speaker 5: size of me. So I was like, mom's miniature. If
Speaker 5: she can push out two big heads that me and
Speaker 5: my brother had and it's apparently painless, this is a
Speaker 5: walk in the park for me, and my baby was
Speaker 5: pretty small, but the way whatever the fuck she was
Speaker 5: doing in.
Speaker 3: There, it was just killing.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: So yeah, birth was fucked, and I it was too late.
Speaker 5: By the time I got through all all the hours
Speaker 5: of dying in the whatever with the midwives and stuff,
Speaker 5: it was just too late to get an epy. Like
Speaker 5: by the time I was like, what's going on, guys,
Speaker 5: can I get the epidural? They were like, you've literally
Speaker 5: you've probably only got an hour left. You're about to
Speaker 5: start start pushing. You've just done this for like seven hours,
Speaker 5: like and I was like, oh yeah, okay. Now it's
Speaker 5: like I'm this is a mental thing and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm not getting it, like I'm going to do this
Speaker 5: because I was like I should have got it like
Speaker 5: ten hours. But when she came out, I was just
Speaker 5: so fricking frothing and believed that that was over and
Speaker 5: trying to figure out how to hold this sip slippery
Speaker 5: little slug because.
Speaker 3: They're so slippery slippery, No one tells.
Speaker 5: You that you're going to drop it like I was.
Speaker 3: I wasn't in a bed.
Speaker 5: I was on all fours on the little tile whatever
Speaker 5: the floor is, and she was just so slippery, and
Speaker 5: I was like, shit, we're all covered in blood and
Speaker 5: vomited and everything.
Speaker 3: I'm going to drop this little egg.
Speaker 5: It took so long of me just catching my breath
Speaker 5: and chilling for like a few minutes before my mum
Speaker 5: and the midwives were like what is it? Check what
Speaker 5: it is?
Speaker 3: Like, where is it? You know?
Speaker 5: What's what's the sex? And so that was super cool,
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, holy shit.
Speaker 5: I was like almost scared to like look because I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, I can't believe I've just
Speaker 5: been so lost in this moment of like just frothing
Speaker 5: that this little slugs in my arms that.
Speaker 3: I haven't even thought to look at what it is.
Speaker 5: Because I'm just so stoked to have a healthy baby
Speaker 5: that's screaming at me.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was a girl.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you ha Bbilical cords also a bit confusing as well.
Speaker 3: Your homos. Do you have to cut it? Did you
Speaker 3: cut it. Yeah, how hard is it to cut like Calamari?
Speaker 3: It was like.
Speaker 5: My mum had the scissors and was like chopping, like
Speaker 5: trying to it was easy.
Speaker 1: It's got to sharpen these because these are craps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, where's the properes? Get cut over?
Speaker 1: The kids safety?
Speaker 3: Exactly the plastic ones.
Speaker 5: But nah, as you guys know, those moments are ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And then I just remember they kind of.
Speaker 5: Put me in the bed, babies on me, like figuring
Speaker 5: out how to breastfeed and like that.
Speaker 3: But just like you're so off with the fairies, You're
Speaker 3: just like, what the hell?
Speaker 5: And then they're just like stitching me up and doing
Speaker 5: whatever they're doing. And that's not even I'm not even
Speaker 5: feeling a thing there because you're just so wrapped up
Speaker 5: in like, oh my god, you've got a baby on
Speaker 5: such a cool and my mum was so great.
Speaker 4: In those moments and was manni was she asleep? We
Speaker 4: always say you get one or the other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I reckon. I got really lucky with the
Speaker 5: sleep thing. She is and still is a fantastic.
Speaker 4: I see so many of your stories.
Speaker 3: She's a good sleep.
Speaker 5: She can fucking sleep anywhere, anytime, like I could chuck
Speaker 5: her on the roof, like, but she there's a few
Speaker 5: but so many, there's a few butts. So first of all,
Speaker 5: the dummy. She still has a dummy, and that soothes her,
Speaker 5: and that's how she sleeps.
Speaker 3: In as soon as she does.
Speaker 1: She's two and a half, gone through in a bit
Speaker 1: and still oh yeah, killed for a dummy.
Speaker 3: She just like, Okay, this makes me happy.
Speaker 1: I feel it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of people in that boat still though, okay.
Speaker 5: Good no, because as soon as she falls sleep at night,
Speaker 5: I take the dummy edge, so and then she's asleep.
Speaker 5: But then like say, in the middle of the night,
Speaker 5: she'll be like, dummy, dummy, dummy, ummy, and I have
Speaker 5: to go in find it, put it back in social sleep.
Speaker 3: And I know I could just do cold turkey, have
Speaker 3: three really shit nights and you know, but.
Speaker 1: People say it could ruin their teeth, and to them,
Speaker 1: I say, fuck off.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be able to afford braces day. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: work really fucking hard in the next ten years and
Speaker 5: hopefully I.
Speaker 3: Have a spare few grand for braces. So that's my plan.
Speaker 4: You're not going to.
Speaker 3: The other week.
Speaker 5: I was like, gonna go cold Turkey with the dummies
Speaker 5: and sent her into KINDI with no dummy, and she
Speaker 5: bloody bit children that day.
Speaker 3: And it's so mortifying and fucking embarrassing.
Speaker 5: Not just one kid, but like, I'd rather my kid
Speaker 5: be getting bit We have a solution the other way around.
Speaker 4: We have a solution. We asked the question to people.
Speaker 1: We had a family friend who same scenario, and they
Speaker 1: they were like, I don't know what to do. My
Speaker 1: kid is a bier, and I think it's like everyone
Speaker 1: every parent's worst night there of like I don't want
Speaker 1: to have a kid that's a bier. So then after
Speaker 1: a while of like continuous bites and other kids they
Speaker 1: were they were like, I'm going to bite my kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah I bit my kid. Yeah yeah. Well she cried
Speaker 3: and it hurt her, but she didn't seem to give
Speaker 3: a fuck.
Speaker 4: She went another day, well you've got Jeffrey Dahmer on
Speaker 4: your hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I bet her back one time, for sure, But
Speaker 3: so many parents were like.
Speaker 5: Emarrassing, I'd refers she get bit in and and then
Speaker 5: I went, honestly, I can't I either pull you out
Speaker 5: of KINDI or I have to send you in with
Speaker 5: a dummy because you obviously want to buy it something,
Speaker 5: and it's got to be that dummy, not another kid.
Speaker 5: Because this is just so mortifying. I feel like the
Speaker 5: other kids parents are looking at me, going your kids.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know it's a great white shut.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't know that it was your kid. They're not
Speaker 4: meant to know.
Speaker 3: Well, the kids can talk, now, can't they. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure Brad.
Speaker 4: On the back and she were like trying to figure
Speaker 4: out who it was. But she was very coy, really.
Speaker 3: Good on hers trying to protect her friend brothers. I
Speaker 3: feel like all the kids in they're like, fucking Mini
Speaker 3: bit me today.
Speaker 4: Mom rattling off the kids name and she was like, yep,
Speaker 4: that was was that one? But it was yes to everything.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh nah. But then the other butt is college.
Speaker 5: So she had colleague as a baby, and that is
Speaker 5: just freaking torture, like the unsettled stomach, the reflux of vomiting,
Speaker 5: the screaming, so one of like I always just remember
Speaker 5: these nights where and I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I had really good help, especially in the first few weeks.
Speaker 5: My mum actually had COVID after Mini was born, so
Speaker 5: she stayed away from us, but some of my friends
Speaker 5: were like like mum, friends left their kids and moved
Speaker 5: in with me and were there. Tiana my main like
Speaker 5: wet nurse friend. She was with me every night in
Speaker 5: the middle of the night, like helping me. You know,
Speaker 5: Minnie's crying, Okay, this is what you do. You grab her,
Speaker 5: check on your booby, brestfea da da dah, like kindness
Speaker 5: literally being my husband.
Speaker 3: Like she was teaching me everything I needed.
Speaker 5: To know about breastfeeding, you know, just every fucking little thing,
Speaker 5: like you get the little rashing on your nipples and
Speaker 5: all that cap and just like all those things, and
Speaker 5: helping soothe her because she did get really colliqy and
Speaker 5: so like you'd feed for like at the start, feels
Speaker 5: like you're feeding for two hours. It was like an
Speaker 5: hour on each boob, and then trying to get her
Speaker 5: back to sleep was like another two hours because she'd
Speaker 5: be screaming and collicky, and so that just sent me mental.
Speaker 5: Like I remember just having her in the carrier, or
Speaker 5: Tiana would have her in the carry and we'd be
Speaker 5: pacing up and down the hallway, and then one night
Speaker 5: she couldn't be there, and I just always remember pacing
Speaker 5: up and down the hallway for like three hours on
Speaker 5: and in a carry out.
Speaker 3: She's screaming, I'm screaming, we're both crying. I'm like, fuck this,
Speaker 3: like shut up, and those moments just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first one was exactly the same as that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So the silent reflex I fully resonated with that. You go,
Speaker 2: you're all screaming at each other for hours trying to
Speaker 2: get them to sleep, and and.
Speaker 4: It's like they're asleep forty minutes later, they're back up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're hungry, and we're ready to again twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: It's heavy hate.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the guilt when you have
Speaker 1: those moments? Because similar, Lola was the same and we
Speaker 1: had a couple of scares with her, and you want
Speaker 1: to love this child more than anything, but you're just
Speaker 1: so exhausted and so tired. You're also so frustrated at
Speaker 1: them and it's not their fault. But then when you
Speaker 1: have those moments frustration and you think, fuck, I should
Speaker 1: be yeah, I should be loving this again, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're not, Like, how do you deal with those situations?
Speaker 3: The sleep deprivation is the worst.
Speaker 5: And I think if you if you're one of those
Speaker 5: people that does happen to have like that chemical imbalance
Speaker 5: after you have a baby and you do go through
Speaker 5: the post partum depression thing that like, I imagine how
Speaker 5: you could fucking spial because if you had sleep deprivation
Speaker 5: along with that, you'd just.
Speaker 3: Be like I hate this kid. That is the worst
Speaker 3: thing to say, like that that, thank God was not me.
Speaker 1: For people who don't have kids, the reality is you
Speaker 1: have moments of resentment.
Speaker 4: Yes, you can't all the time like you do.
Speaker 2: Like you might be like I fuck this, fuck this,
Speaker 2: Like you could be in the worst mood and be
Speaker 2: so resentful towards them. You can feel really really guilty
Speaker 2: for a moment, but there you find you you find
Speaker 2: your ways to get over it and love them.
Speaker 4: Like like you do the whole.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I think I had in my head, I
Speaker 5: don't know, like if she was screaming her head off
Speaker 5: and I was really like freaking hadn't slept in like
Speaker 5: a week, I'd.
Speaker 3: Just lash out and be like shut the fuck up
Speaker 3: and then scream at this tiny, innocent little egg. And
Speaker 3: they obviously have no idea what I'm saying, So I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, not really learning.
Speaker 5: They're killed You're just like, oh my god, they're so innocent,
Speaker 5: and I've just yelled at this tiny thing, Like is
Speaker 5: that going to like, you know, it's not really going
Speaker 5: to affect their life, but you're like, shit, but even now,
Speaker 5: like I definitely am pretty crazy, but I will honestly,
Speaker 5: I do feel guilty sometimes, and I'm when I'm too
Speaker 5: busy or not super present, and you know, I've picked
Speaker 5: up from daycare and I've got a million other things
Speaker 5: on my mind rather than being in their car and
Speaker 5: going Minnie.
Speaker 3: How is your day and what did you get up
Speaker 3: to and what did you draw today?
Speaker 5: And did you play in the sand and what did
Speaker 5: you bloody learn and dadda, Like if I'm not doing that,
Speaker 5: or if I'm just a bit like smitty shut up
Speaker 5: like a mummy's talking, or you know, just like quickly
Speaker 5: trying to rush through the bath and the bed and
Speaker 5: the dinner and all that, and then you finally chuck
Speaker 5: them in bed and you're like, fuck, thank god, I
Speaker 5: can do me Now. I'm like, oh, I don't even
Speaker 5: know if I really interacted with her enough to savo
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: Shit feels guilty.
Speaker 5: But I look at my friends who have a partner,
Speaker 5: and it's so much easier to just be like that
Speaker 5: tiny bit stoke, don't have that bit more energy when
Speaker 5: you're like, hey, can you do bath in bed?
Speaker 3: And then I'll cook for us and then we can
Speaker 3: all kind of come together and have that and that.
Speaker 5: Are like I feel like I'm always rushing and chasing
Speaker 5: my tail and that, Like I struggle with that, and
Speaker 5: I do feel guilty about that a lot, but I.
Speaker 3: Do also kind of I mean, when I say it
Speaker 3: out loud, I'm kind.
Speaker 5: Of like, I also do feel like, Okay, I should
Speaker 5: be kind of proud because which she's two and a half,
Speaker 5: she's actually really healthy and thriving.
Speaker 3: We've moved, We've done so fucking much.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you should be so fucking proud.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's like parenting is hard.
Speaker 4: It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Imagine it and a team and this periods
Speaker 1: where Laura will go away for a weekend and at
Speaker 1: the end of that, I'm like, I'm checked out. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't get that reprieve. You're like, yeah, running constantly,
Speaker 1: and not only that, but then you're working so much
Speaker 1: as well. You've got podcasts, how you just got announces
Speaker 1: a cover girl first in Australia. Shout out and thank you.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: How are you finding balancing everything at the moment? You
Speaker 1: got a million things going on?
Speaker 3: Yes, well I just chucked her in for another day
Speaker 3: at daycare. Daycare is the best thing ever.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I honestly I get a taste of what
Speaker 5: it would be like to be in a relationship because
Speaker 5: when Chloe and Fisher are home, they live three doors
Speaker 5: down the road, and she knows my schedule.
Speaker 3: She actually tracks me on fucking fine and.
Speaker 5: She tracks me. She knows my calendar. She'll literally be like, hey,
Speaker 5: it's nearly four pm. I can see that you're still
Speaker 5: fucking in some meeting up at Miami. Can I Can
Speaker 5: I go pick Mini up now and then? And then
Speaker 5: I'll be like, yeah, bloody, go for it. She'll go
Speaker 5: get Minnie. I'll come back and find her bathed and fed,
Speaker 5: and then she's got dinner for me, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god.
Speaker 3: So I get a taste of how good and I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 5: I get so lucky with them, like I get I
Speaker 5: get a taste of how good and easy it is,
Speaker 5: and I get to really reap that when they're home,
Speaker 5: I'm like, fuck, you're on like you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: But then and that makes me appreciate my village and
Speaker 5: I feel so lucky. So I just lap that up
Speaker 5: when I can, and then when I can't, I just
Speaker 5: chase my tail and I get on without my brother
Speaker 5: and my mom.
Speaker 3: They're awesome.
Speaker 5: So I have people that I can call when I'm
Speaker 5: really struggling. But yeah, it's a juggle. Like, it's such
Speaker 5: a juggle. You just have to not that good at
Speaker 5: thinking ahead, but you do have to think ahead and
Speaker 5: be like, fuck, got X, Y and Z, How am
Speaker 5: I going to figure out who's picking her up?
Speaker 3: And what?
Speaker 4: So many logistical things you got to worry and.
Speaker 3: We like same with you guys.
Speaker 5: I'm always traveling for work and flying here and flying there,
Speaker 5: and like I, I most of the trying to try
Speaker 5: and figure out how to pull her out of Kindy
Speaker 5: so she can come because I actually miss her, and
Speaker 5: then again feel really guilty if I'm going away, you know,
Speaker 5: for week a weekend for some job and then she's
Speaker 5: in KINDI a week, Like I'm just like, am I
Speaker 5: ever going to see this kid?
Speaker 3: You know? So it is such a juggle, And yeah,
Speaker 3: you just.
Speaker 4: Got to fully understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the you're sort of trying to do your
Speaker 2: life as well, but then it's like that you're kind
Speaker 2: of like their whole life. And it's like sometimes you
Speaker 2: can feel like if you dismissed them a little bit
Speaker 2: early or just too quickly, just because you're caught up
Speaker 2: in your world. But like I said, you're their whole world.
Speaker 2: They're waiting for you to respond sometimes if.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel any better. So many other parents
Speaker 1: are going through the same thing. Wrapping the Gold Coast
Speaker 1: right now. I'm sleeping up here tomorrow morning. Is those
Speaker 1: days are a daddy door to day, which I'll miss
Speaker 1: because I'm up here. So those internal thoughts in the
Speaker 1: good that you've got, like we've all got in.
Speaker 4: Some capacity, we've all got it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you know, your situations unique with
Speaker 2: what you know, you and your kid alike, but everyone's
Speaker 2: got that something that they go I should have maybe
Speaker 2: not said that, or I should have maybe spent that
Speaker 2: little bit of extra time instead of sat and doom
Speaker 2: scrolled for that fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5: Dooom scrolling watching some other fucking kid on some other
Speaker 5: kid on tiktog instead of your own stupid look. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's true. At Mini's KINDI there's another kid that also
Speaker 5: doesn't have a dad, and well she had a sperm
Speaker 5: don a situation and such a beautiful little girl. And
Speaker 5: I respect that mum so much because she works her
Speaker 5: us off. She works full time, and I'm like, she
Speaker 5: gives me like that validation. I'm like, fuck, yr, I
Speaker 5: never imagine i'd be working this much, yeah and doing
Speaker 5: not like yeah, all on my own to be able
Speaker 5: to afford what we can do.
Speaker 2: And she would think the same as what you think
Speaker 2: about her, like we think about you like pride, like
Speaker 2: far out.
Speaker 4: It's hard and she knows that. So it's good that
Speaker 4: you've got You've got that sense that you feel, you know,
Speaker 4: proud of what she does. She would feel exactly the
Speaker 4: same about you, I guarantee you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well hopefully we've both got each other.
Speaker 5: And it's the thing because sometimes I'm like, I need
Speaker 5: to stop saying yes to so much work because I
Speaker 5: need to have more time for me. But then I'm like,
Speaker 5: there's only one income here, and I got to do it,
Speaker 5: and it'll like you know, yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3: Just got to get on with it.
Speaker 1: I feel like one of the most common questions that
Speaker 1: must get thrown it you are are you going to
Speaker 1: have another baby? Are you ready to start dating again?
Speaker 1: Be honest? How annoying is it to have that question
Speaker 1: thrown at you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I feel like.
Speaker 5: I think I used to find it really annoying because
Speaker 5: I was like or like, I don't want to say
Speaker 5: I thought it was rude, but I wasn't. My head
Speaker 5: wasn't there, so I was like, what the fuck, I'm
Speaker 5: just like I'm pregnant, or I've just had mini like
Speaker 5: what the hell, like as if I'm going to find
Speaker 5: someone now?
Speaker 3: And like I felt pressure too.
Speaker 5: I was like, is that what I'm like? Am I
Speaker 5: just moving to slow? Should I already be with someone?
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I can't, like you know, and
Speaker 5: or I had other friends that they lost their partners too,
Speaker 5: and I met them on like line and they already
Speaker 5: had other boyfriends and stuff. Their circumstance was different. Maybe
Speaker 5: they weren't they weren't having a baby or whatever. But
Speaker 5: I was like, holy shit, like good power to them,
Speaker 5: Like fucking oath, that would be so hard to do
Speaker 5: and eyes are on you.
Speaker 3: People are going holy shit.
Speaker 5: That was too soon or that wasn't soon enough for
Speaker 5: they're comparing the guys and like passing judgment and shit,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, I don't want that.
Speaker 3: And I was like maybe that's something I just keep
Speaker 3: super private and stuff.
Speaker 5: But now I'm like actually excited about like what's to come.
Speaker 5: And I'm like that actually excites me now. So now
Speaker 5: when people ask, I'm like, oh my god, I want
Speaker 5: to know too, what are we going to do? It's
Speaker 5: like who's it going to be? Like just be a better,
Speaker 5: be a legend. And I just can't wait to find
Speaker 5: someone that I just fucking love and get along with
Speaker 5: and we just have fun and mini loves and like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the first time that we've met. But it's also
Speaker 1: weird how invested I am in your life. I'm completely honest.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah from the sidelines, like, O.
Speaker 3: Love you, Maddie. And I love Laura too. She's boody best.
Speaker 3: As soon as I met her, I was like, I
Speaker 3: fucking love you. She's one of one and the.
Speaker 1: Same and love talking to Elidie. Oh, I was like,
Speaker 1: she wasn't wrong. We do like to end on one
Speaker 1: question I have forgotten to ask it a few times,
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to figure out, given you're fired,
Speaker 1: when Minnie is all grown up and she's no longer
Speaker 1: living with you at home, what would be one thing
Speaker 1: or a few things that you would want her to
Speaker 1: remember about the house that she grew up in.
Speaker 3: That's a cool question.
Speaker 5: Well, I actually have this fear that she's going to
Speaker 5: forget about the house that Chump and I kind of
Speaker 5: made our home together that I just moved from.
Speaker 3: So if you had to come up last week, that's
Speaker 3: where we would have been.
Speaker 5: And because it's so special to me, and it's such
Speaker 5: a sick house and I just love it, and she
Speaker 5: had so much fun there, and I've got so many
Speaker 5: memories and amazing videos there, and I just hope that
Speaker 5: she remembers that. But she's two and a half, so
Speaker 5: she probably won't. But I just have in my like
Speaker 5: little thing that we're going to keep driving past that
Speaker 5: street and I'm gonna be like, that's our first house.
Speaker 5: That's our first house, and.
Speaker 3: She's gonna be like yeah, da da and always feel
Speaker 3: like that's home.
Speaker 5: But I'm now in this little flat and for like
Speaker 5: a month or two, and then I'm going to move
Speaker 5: into this other house, and I think, like Rummy and
Speaker 5: I are is home to Minnie.
Speaker 3: And she's like obsessed with the dog.
Speaker 5: She's unfortunately got to be a mummy's girl because she
Speaker 5: doesn't have a dad, and well a dads here.
Speaker 3: And I just think that what she I hope that
Speaker 3: she remembers from home is just yummy food, warm cuddles.
Speaker 5: Energy, like good welcoming energy, like come and be who
Speaker 5: you want here, like this is your safe place and
Speaker 5: no matter where we are, Like my dad lived in Sydney.
Speaker 3: He passed away a year after Chump died.
Speaker 5: But me and Chump like say, if we had an
Speaker 5: engagement party down there or whatever, I'd never tell my
Speaker 5: dad we were going. I just like me and Chump
Speaker 5: would fly down or drive down or whatever, and we'd
Speaker 5: rock up at Dad's with all our suitcases and I'd
Speaker 5: just be like like run into his house. My dad
Speaker 5: just scare the shit out of him, and he'd be
Speaker 5: like fuck, yeah, Ellie, like you're here, come my god,
Speaker 5: and we'd dump our bags and be like, Dad just
Speaker 5: got to go to this party quickly, we're running late,
Speaker 5: run out the door, and he'd just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you cool, do whatever you need to do.
Speaker 5: Like he was just so cruisy. He didn't expect anything.
Speaker 5: He was just like, fuck, I'm so glad you can
Speaker 5: rock up with your bags. You don't even need to
Speaker 5: tell me.
Speaker 3: And of course you know this is your home and
Speaker 3: you're welcome.
Speaker 5: And dadda and Trump was always like I can't believe
Speaker 5: you can just like fucking lob up, say hardy your
Speaker 5: dad for two seconds, just hug him and walk back
Speaker 5: out the door and not have to sit there and
Speaker 5: have tea and chats for hours on end. And he's
Speaker 5: happy with that. And then you know, go to this
Speaker 5: party and then come back and then we'll have a big,
Speaker 5: fat day with dad tomorrow.
Speaker 3: But like he was just so cruisy and just wanted
Speaker 3: us to just do us and be happy.
Speaker 5: And sometimes I'd go to my dad's and literally just
Speaker 5: be like, Dad, I just needed to get away and
Speaker 5: have a nap or something.
Speaker 3: And I'd fucking just lie on his couch and don't
Speaker 3: even talk.
Speaker 5: To him and sleep, And like, I just always felt
Speaker 5: so comfortable going to Dad's and that was my happy
Speaker 5: place and my place where I didn't have to be anything.
Speaker 5: I didn't have to put on a fucking show or
Speaker 5: you know, be all like, hey, daddy into the you know,
Speaker 5: like I didn't have to suck up to my dad
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 3: Like he was just like stoked for me to just
Speaker 3: go and be me. And that's what I want. That
Speaker 3: was the longest answer ever.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: That's what I want for me. I don't want her
Speaker 3: to think.
Speaker 5: When she comes back with her fucking boyfriends or whatever
Speaker 5: and has to visit mom's hay house. I don't want
Speaker 5: her to think she has to, like, you know, be
Speaker 5: on her best behavior or put on some face or
Speaker 5: be like, you know.
Speaker 3: It's still like that. I love her and I'm proud
Speaker 3: of her no matter what she's doing.
Speaker 5: And I felt that so much from my dad. I
Speaker 5: didn't have to I could go and look so disheveled
Speaker 5: and hungover and be stewing, and my dad would be
Speaker 5: so frothing.
Speaker 3: To see me and take me in.
Speaker 4: And that's amazing.
Speaker 3: You know, some parents are a bit judgy, ah yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: and not looking at mine.
Speaker 1: A bloody delight.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: We've crashed into your floor, your living room, yeah, so
Speaker 1: thank you for having that.
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks so much.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to get out, it's
Speaker 3: got to break them back.
Speaker 4: In your Matt's going to have to lift me out.
Speaker 4: But it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: having us in your house and welcoming us into your world.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, guys for having me. It's been such
Speaker 3: a good chat.
Speaker 4: I did need to wash my hands at the end
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 1: It's the first time I've done a podcast where I've
Speaker 1: had to deal with an animal. Came one to me
Speaker 1: strong at the start, talking about a dog here, and
Speaker 1: then quickly made its way over to ash and I'd
Speaker 1: like a glands over it. You making out with a dog.
Speaker 4: I don't mind a good tongue lashes on the dog.
Speaker 1: And shout out to elid for letting us crash into
Speaker 1: a house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did get stuck on the floor. When you
Speaker 2: see the socials of this, we filmed it while sitting
Speaker 2: on the floor. I've got a bad knee and someone had.
Speaker 6: To help me out.
Speaker 1: Elidie was like, you, guys might be a bit uncomfortable
Speaker 1: because we record for like an hour and a bit
Speaker 1: and we're both going no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Forty five minutes in Pins and Needles, couldn't feel the
Speaker 1: left side of my body.
Speaker 4: I realized my midway through that.
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