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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio right now is Paul Kirby,

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Speaker 1: who is the Minister for Business, Jobs and Training.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not too bad? Now.

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Speaker 1: Last week we spoke to Martin from Fat Mango about

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Speaker 1: these staffing issues and also spoke to Christian out at

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Speaker 1: Lichfield Outback Resort about a staff member facing deportation.

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Speaker 2: And there are obviously various.

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Speaker 1: Reasons for those on visas being sent home, but many

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Speaker 1: are questioning why, I guess when in so many of

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Speaker 1: these cases they're good, hard workers who've become part.

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Speaker 2: Of the community.

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Speaker 1: Minister, is this something that's being raised with you quite

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Speaker 1: often at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, there's always people that are transitioning or looking

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Speaker 4: to transition. People can come into the country and get

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Speaker 4: onto you know, there are dozens of different visas that

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Speaker 4: give people the capacity, either as students or as a

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Speaker 4: tourists or as workers.

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Speaker 3: To stay here.

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Speaker 4: If people want to transition onto another visa once they

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Speaker 4: get here, then it becomes a reasonably complex process to

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Speaker 4: work through, and all of the complexities are defined by

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Speaker 4: the federal government.

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Speaker 3: So we certainly do work closely.

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Speaker 4: With people when they do have those applications in place

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Speaker 4: to try and transition, whether it is from a student

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Speaker 4: onto a permanent pathway.

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Speaker 3: But they are quite.

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Speaker 4: Complex, and that's certainly one of the things that we're

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Speaker 4: talking with the federal government about trying to make more streamline.

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Speaker 4: Last thing you want to do is lose people when

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Speaker 4: they want to stay here.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we spoke to Christian at in Lichfield,

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Speaker 1: he said that they're talking you know that they're talking

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Speaker 1: about the chef who's doing a great job if they

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Speaker 1: can keep him out there, and it's been difficult for

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Speaker 1: them to fill that position.

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Speaker 2: Same as Labib.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that's quite a well publicized case of the staff

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Speaker 1: member from the tap bar. Again, people who are good,

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Speaker 1: hard workers who want to stay in the territory. They're

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Speaker 1: part of the community.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly some of these people have been here for

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Speaker 4: quite some time, so they've got friendships, they've got relationships,

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Speaker 4: I've got you know, professional work relationships, and we know

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Speaker 4: that they're good people that want to stay. So we'll

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Speaker 4: certainly work closely with the federal government and try and

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Speaker 4: get the capacity for these people to stay here. And

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Speaker 4: we know, yeah, the work of shortages. You know, we're

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Speaker 4: not just concentrating on visas. We're training as many Territorians

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Speaker 4: more people to be able to live and stay and

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Speaker 4: work here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's such an important thing to do.

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Speaker 1: From your perspective at the moment, how big a concern

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Speaker 1: is that workforce shortage? I mean, I know every time

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Speaker 1: I go into a business. I was in the hairdresser

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Speaker 4: Perspective, From a business perspective, I think in the territory

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Speaker 4: and right around the nation, it's the number one concern

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Speaker 4: for everybody. Talking to people that were up for the

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Speaker 4: during lockdown, I really don't think we have a full

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Speaker 3: It's going to be tough everywhere.

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Speaker 4: That's why we're doing the things like we have done,

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Speaker 4: trying to improve the processing arrangements for the dharmas getting

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Speaker 4: Antea Farmers and their Master Builders and people like that

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Speaker 4: have got some really good programs. We've locked in behind

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Speaker 1: And it's obviously not an easy fixed and as you

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Speaker 1: touched on as well, it's about growing our own but

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Speaker 1: unfortunately that takes some time. So it's sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine to try to, you know, to help

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, and looking at the opportunities that we've got

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Speaker 4: standards have really improved over there in recent years. We

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Speaker 4: know we've got well We've got a long history with

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Speaker 4: been in the agg industry and mango pickers and people

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Speaker 4: the whole gamut of training. They'll come out trained to

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Speaker 4: work anywhere in the world, these young kids, and.

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Speaker 1: So with Team all their stay, for example, how often

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Speaker 1: do you think that, well, how soon, I guess you'd say,

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Speaker 1: do you think that we might see some workers come

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Speaker 4: Are Well, they are always coming over, certainly, particularly the

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Speaker 4: egg industry and the ant farmers. A big shout out

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Speaker 4: need to treat team or as if it is another country,

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Speaker 4: but we can make some better arrangements for quicker transitions,

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Speaker 4: It's a massive help to their country because they are

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Speaker 2: It's the work that.

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Speaker 1: You're doing with various different industries, which would you say

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Speaker 4: Well, you look down at the waterfront with the coffee

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Speaker 3: You talk to a.

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Speaker 4: Range of different employers in those hospitality industries that would

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Speaker 4: We'll get that out the door as quickly as we can.

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Speaker 4: We're working with the department in trying to get that

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Speaker 4: about listening to these peak bodies listening to NFT farmers,

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Speaker 4: can best start to address these problems and what left

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Speaker 1: Hey, one of the other areas that people are obviously

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Speaker 1: We know that we've seen sort of rolling strikes. I

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Speaker 1: think it's say by teachers. We've also had power and

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Speaker 1: come out in their recent survey and said that it

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Speaker 1: is one of the biggest concerns of course, that pay

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a concern for a lot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the pay deal, the wages policy being put together

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Speaker 3: Priority for a lot of people. That was fine.

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Speaker 4: It's just amazing how quickly things have moved since then,

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Speaker 4: all of those things that have skyrocketed. So absolutely, we're

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Speaker 4: in constant talks with the unions. We know the teacher's

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Speaker 4: enterprise agreement offer was voted down just last week. Again,

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Speaker 4: those results came in on Friday, so they voted it down.

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Speaker 4: They did vote it down quite unanimously, or eighty six percent.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, that must.

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Speaker 1: Have been a bit of a kick in the guts

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Speaker 1: for you guys. Thinking goodness me.

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Speaker 4: Katie, I think it just I think it just clarifies

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Speaker 4: exactly where we're at. So, you know, we would absolutely

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Speaker 4: and these enterprise agreements without increasing the burden on the

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Speaker 4: attract and keep people here.

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Speaker 3: We know that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're not always the best paid place in

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Speaker 4: the nation in some industries we are. We offer a

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Speaker 4: lot of things in the Northern Territory that other states

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Speaker 4: and territories can't, so there's always attractive reasons to come

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Speaker 4: here and to stay here, but it is an expensive

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Speaker 4: place to come to, it's an expensive place to live,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, certainly an acknowledgment from US. I spoke briefly

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Speaker 4: constantly looking at and will constantly look at going forward,

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Speaker 4: and we'll hope to continue to put productive offers in

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Speaker 4: front of peace.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that you're going to have to backflip

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Speaker 1: on this wage phrase.

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Speaker 4: I think there's conversations that we'll have to have going forward.

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Speaker 4: Eighty six percent is a fairly resounding no vote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.

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Speaker 4: Teachers offer that we put together was a reasonable package

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Speaker 4: and they were reasonably happy. But I think they've said

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Speaker 4: loud and clear they want a percentage based office.

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Speaker 3: So we've got to look at that.

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Speaker 1: My understanding over the weekend as well as that in Queensland,

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Speaker 1: for example, the Queensland Police Force they have just well

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Speaker 1: they were often an eleven percent wage increase over three years,

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Speaker 1: as well as some.

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Speaker 2: Different sort of deals.

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Speaker 1: I suppose you'd say when it comes to CPI, so

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Speaker 1: how do we compete with that?

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Speaker 4: Like I said, we haven't always been in a position

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Speaker 4: where we've been able to compete on a dollar for dollar.

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Speaker 3: Wage rate with people.

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Speaker 4: But I know even you know from my experience in industry,

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Speaker 4: it's not always those opportunities. Sometimes it's about how quickly

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Speaker 4: you can progress through your career, how quickly you can

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Speaker 4: move up through the ranks, how quickly you can get

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Speaker 4: promotional opportunities, how much of the territory you can see,

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Speaker 4: what opportunities they bring for you and your family. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's a range of different opportunities that we can put

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Speaker 4: in front of people. Will absolutely continue to do the

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Speaker 4: best that we can to put the best financial packages

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Speaker 4: in front of people. But yeah, we'll continue to work

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Speaker 4: really closely with the unions going forward.

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Speaker 1: What did you think, did you see that pay deal

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Speaker 1: that was struck in Queensland with the police.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen that, but yeah, eleven percent over three years,

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Speaker 4: so that's there. Better than three percent a year. Around

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Speaker 4: that three percent mark is probably what we were offering

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Speaker 4: the teachers in some wage progression. But it's not a

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Speaker 4: compounding pay rise, so it wasn't three percent plus three percent,

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Speaker 4: but it was improvements to each and every pay level

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Speaker 4: across the way. So yeah, we'll just have to go

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Speaker 4: back and look at what we had on the table,

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Speaker 4: look at what we can afford to do, and continue

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Speaker 4: to put the best office that we can in front

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Speaker 4: of people.

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Speaker 2: How soon do you reckon this is going to get sorted?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we'll continue to work.

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Speaker 4: There's there's a range of agreements that are already out

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Speaker 4: and you've mentioned some of those, and there's a range

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Speaker 4: of agreements that that we're still working on with nurses

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Speaker 4: and other people. But yeah, it's something that will continue

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Speaker 4: to discuss in cabinet and with the Treasurer and try

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Speaker 4: and put the best office that we can in front

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Speaker 4: of people.

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Speaker 2: Very quickly before I let you go. The luxA Festival.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful stuff, isn't it. Yeah, it's well, it's getting really popular.

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Speaker 3: People are really keen on it.

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Speaker 4: We know you saw the celebrations from Jason Hannah las

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Speaker 4: year when Choo won it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, really really encourage everybody.

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Speaker 4: We know that some of the festivals that we do,

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Speaker 4: not just the Darwin Festival, but the Street Art Festival

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Speaker 4: it's really bought the city alive and the LuxI Festival

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Speaker 4: one that has really landed well and it's great to

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Speaker 4: see people really passionately involved in it.

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Speaker 1: Just lastly, we're about to catch up with NT Major

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Speaker 1: Evince CEO Tim Watsford. What's going on with the NBL.

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be coming to the territory We hope.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 4: Look, they are really keen. They had a great week

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Speaker 4: last week. They had a lot of people came here

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Speaker 4: that hadn't been to the territory before. We had the

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Speaker 4: Chief Operating Officer, Vince. I had a range of meetings

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Speaker 4: with him. They are extremely keen to get a territory

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Speaker 4: team into the competition sooner rather than later. So we'll

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Speaker 4: continue to talk with them over the coming weeks and

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Speaker 4: months and see what we might be able to try

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Speaker 4: and organize well.

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Speaker 1: Minister for Business, Jobs and Training, Paul Kirby, good to

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Speaker 1: speak with you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, cheers.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,